 That is funny. Middle, middle, middle PATRIOTIC CENTRIST!!!!1!!! |
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Nico- said: DateYutaka said: im not shock here unlike like a few other iv seen here i awals seen youe as a fake libertarian withc most on n the right are since i odnt think think you should your sould be called a libertarian while backing Hiarachyist ideals im sorry but that the view on awlays held real libertarians sould lasys be anti Hiarachy since hairachy is death of true libery that it what most left libertarians like me will say Most "anti-hierarchies" themselves are the top of corporate hierarchies. See Google's censorship team and James Damore for example. mot people anti hierarchieist are closer to me there also anti censorship unlike classcical libiralls Sargon the hero of anti censorship said voting try was ok cuase muh red under the bed idea lol at lest in the uk going bakc yees ts the tory party that ahs been the cenorship party video nasties debacle any one banning the word Ninja anyone as long as there is a state i will hate it but i will favr the left wing person never the right wing one the Right in my nation ans well as most other nation want more power centailized and more power taken form local aparatus no tis is what the tories on the uk for exmaple has always been about the lbaour prt is the sister party of the party i belong to in my nation or now it is un the blarites[ the the part of the left only sargon and his people like] soon as blir remove clause IV he siuld been seen as not left wing |
| "If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
Gholy said: DateYutaka said: Do left-libertarians care about anything other than semantics when debating right-libertarians? The first thing I hear from left-libertarians is usually something like "we're the real libertarians". You care about semantics a lot more than you should.im not shock here unlike like a few other iv seen here i awals seen youe as a fake libertarian withc most on n the right are since i odnt think think you should your sould be called a libertarian while backing Hiarachyist ideals im sorry but that the view on awlays held real libertarians sould lasys be anti Hiarachy since hairachy is death of true libery that it what most left libertarians like me will say Knowing Date he still hasn't changed yet 2 years later and still thinks of anything right of Marx as literally Hitler. DateYutaka said: Nico- said: Most "anti-hierarchies" themselves are the top of corporate hierarchies. See Google's censorship team and James Damore for example. mot people anti hierarchieist are closer to me there also anti censorship unlike classcical libiralls Sargon the hero of anti censorship said voting try was ok cuase muh red under the bed idea lol at lest in the uk going bakc yees ts the tory party that ahs been the cenorship party video nasties debacle any one banning the word Ninja anyone as long as there is a state i will hate it but i will favr the left wing person never the right wing one the Right in my nation ans well as most other nation want more power centailized and more power taken form local aparatus no tis is what the tories on the uk for exmaple has always been about the lbaour prt is the sister party of the party i belong to in my nation or now it is un the blarites[ the the part of the left only sargon and his people like] soon as blir remove clause IV he siuld been seen as not left wing I just proved to you earlier than anti-hierarchists (whatever the heck that means) have censored people for going against their mantra, especially if given corporate power. You've backtracked horribly here and your point is unclear. Read the situation I provided above entirely and get back to me. |
AqutanAug 11, 2017 8:40 PM
Nico- said: Most "anti-hierarchies" themselves are the top of corporate hierarchies. See Google's censorship team and James Damore for example. No, that's social progressivism which is something else. Gholy said: Do left-libertarians care about anything other than semantics when debating right-libertarians? The first thing I hear from left-libertarians is usually something like "we're the real libertarians". You care about semantics a lot more than you should. It's not semantics to be pointing out the hypocrisy of ideological contractions of claiming to be against authority while supporting corporate authority. Some """Libertarians""" also circle jerk over dictators like Pinochet. Murray Rothbard was an advocate for a white ethnostate. Charles Murray tried to explain racial disproportion of wealth by trying to claim black people are just stupid instead of admitting the inherent flaws of a capitalist system which causes class immobility. Ludwig Von Misses held up apologetics for fascists basically saying it was necessary to sustain the economy. Ayn Rand justifies colonialist conquest of land because natives were just " savages" to her. |
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Nico- said: Gholy said: Do left-libertarians care about anything other than semantics when debating right-libertarians? The first thing I hear from left-libertarians is usually something like "we're the real libertarians". You care about semantics a lot more than you should. Knowing Date he still hasn't changed yet 2 years later and still thinks of anything right of Marx as literally Hitler. DateYutaka said: mot people anti hierarchieist are closer to me there also anti censorship unlike classcical libiralls Sargon the hero of anti censorship said voting try was ok cuase muh red under the bed idea lol at lest in the uk going bakc yees ts the tory party that ahs been the cenorship party video nasties debacle any one banning the word Ninja anyone as long as there is a state i will hate it but i will favr the left wing person never the right wing one the Right in my nation ans well as most other nation want more power centailized and more power taken form local aparatus no tis is what the tories on the uk for exmaple has always been about the lbaour prt is the sister party of the party i belong to in my nation or now it is un the blarites[ the the part of the left only sargon and his people like] soon as blir remove clause IV he siuld been seen as not left wing I just proved to you earlier than anti-hierarchists (whatever the heck that means) have censored people for going against their mantra, especially if given corporate power. You've backtracked horribly here and your point is unclear. Read the situation I provided above entirely and get back to me. im not marxist Nico- said: Gholy said: Do left-libertarians care about anything other than semantics when debating right-libertarians? The first thing I hear from left-libertarians is usually something like "we're the real libertarians". You care about semantics a lot more than you should. Knowing Date he still hasn't changed yet 2 years later and still thinks of anything right of Marx as literally Hitler. DateYutaka said: mot people anti hierarchieist are closer to me there also anti censorship unlike classcical libiralls Sargon the hero of anti censorship said voting try was ok cuase muh red under the bed idea lol at lest in the uk going bakc yees ts the tory party that ahs been the cenorship party video nasties debacle any one banning the word Ninja anyone as long as there is a state i will hate it but i will favr the left wing person never the right wing one the Right in my nation ans well as most other nation want more power centailized and more power taken form local aparatus no tis is what the tories on the uk for exmaple has always been about the lbaour prt is the sister party of the party i belong to in my nation or now it is un the blarites[ the the part of the left only sargon and his people like] soon as blir remove clause IV he siuld been seen as not left wing I just proved to you earlier than anti-hierarchists (whatever the heck that means) have censored people for going against their mantra, especially if given corporate power. You've backtracked horribly here and your point is unclear. Read the situation I provided above entirely and get back to me. im not like that wayot panit me worng in my a marxist and i never was maxism is statist so to right wing for me i do not say worker wonership when i mean state ownwership as en exmaple like most marxist and anit marxist you attakc th left do read Kropotkin or proudhon to see closer if state has to exist i say the only need of cental state is o help the workers and to reprsnt its people on internationl stage that is its nation truly for by and of the people side note who said these quote [I am against] the Treaty of Rome which entrenches laissez faire as its philosophy and chooses bureaucracy as its administrative method. Britain is the only colony in the British Empire and it is up to us now to liberate ourselves. [Edward Heath], who sold out Britain's interests to the Common Market and gave our sovereignty away without our consent—with support of Mr Thorpe and the Liberals—is not entitled to wave the Union Jack to get himself out of the mess. This huge Commission building in Brussels, in the shape of a cross, is absolutely un-British. I felt as if I were going as a slave to Rome; the whole relationship was wrong. Here was I, an elected man who could be removed, doing a job, and here were these people with more power than I had and no accountability to anybody...My visit confirmed in a practical way all my suspicions that this would be the decapitation of British democracy without any countervailing advantage, and the British people, quite rightly, wouldn't accept it. There is no real benefit for Britain. Britain's continuing membership of the Community would mean the end of Britain as a completely self-governing nation and the end of our democratically elected Parliament as the supreme law making body in the United Kingdom. and it was noo right winger eiither the left was always any eu as it was anti nato amonf other thiings thhe the above thibbgs wer said in the 70's when the right was pro eec/eu but then again right wiger seam ot for get history that is incovetnt it them |
| "If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
| @Maneki-Mew Then all is well if there are no Problems so far. But don't cry if Invaders are among them, see this, this and this. I used to be more positive due to the Media Reports, but that was way before the New Years' Attacks. At least Austria is different in that Regard that they don't propose a limitless Influx of Asylum Applicants. But I don't like the Solution of having to close the Inner-Borders of the EU-Countries, just because Countries like Italy, Spain and Greece are too incapable to properly protect their Outside-Borders by making large, slippery Fences, destroying the Boats and sending them back and detaining and forbidding any "Refugee" smuggling NGO. |
shotz said: politically, i am a satanic communist who is gay for jesus. so wherever that is on the spectrum. If you're gay for Jesus you can't be a Satanist. That just makes you an ordinary Christian. |
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Maneki-Mew said: How else do you call People climbing over Fences, storming through Border Controls and even using Battering Ram? And Boats freely coming on Land full of able-bodied MEN in their best Combat Age. It's completely absurd to not speak of an Invasion at this Point. Noboru said: @Maneki-Mew Then all is well if there are no Problems so far. But don't cry if Invaders are among them, see this, this and this. Invaders lol... I really don't need your panic. The resolution is easy: I don't trust anyone I don't know and suspect everyone to have the worst thoughts at first. Could keep you save. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's also astonishing how they can speak so openly about an Invasion like this, yet People don't seem to care until it would be too late to change anything. But yeah, a healthy Portion of Doubt towards any Stranger regardless of their Origin is always best. |
| Your Political Compass Economic Left/Right: -3.0 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.05 |
| @Traed It's not semantics to be pointing out the hypocrisy of ideological contractions of claiming to be against authority while supporting corporate authority. You barely know the things you saying.Libertarians don't support corporate authority. They support the individual right to choose as long as you don't harm others. Voluntary transactions are nothing but freedom. The gorverment takes 40% of your income and purchase a lot of things against your will and you say you're free. Your neighborhood gets to control your life, and you say your free. That's ridiculous to me. I don't know what make you think we give authority to corporations, we just believe they deserve more freedom, as they struggle in that. Some """Libertarians""" also circle jerk over dictators like Pinochet. Many progressives circle jerk over mass murders like Stalin, Mao, Fidel Castro etc.Murray Rothbard was an advocate for a white ethnostate. Charles Murray tried to explain racial disproportion of wealth by trying to claim black people are just stupid instead of admitting the inherent flaws of a capitalist system which causes class immobility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populumI don't know much about those 2 actually. And even if it was true, who cares! It doesn't make their MAIN views, arguments and ideologies less realible, favorable or imortant. Same goes for Ayn Rand + She was more progressive than the usual imo. You crearly forget about how people the left dictators slaved. You might say "Oh they're authoritarian", do you know any left goverment that isn't authoritarian? Anyways, I think this one is a little out of topic since I didn't mention specifc names, but for a reason. Ludwig Von Misses held up apologetics for fascists basically saying it was necessary to sustain the economy. Now my favourite one......YOU GUYS SEE THAT? MISES SUPPORTED FASCISM AND HE'S FINALLY DEBUNKED!!! When Mises clearly humiliated Fascism and Comunism a few years later in his books. |
FragMentizedAug 12, 2017 12:11 PM
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
Frag- said: You barely know the things you saying. Libertarians don't support corporate authority. They support the individual right to choose as long as you don't harm others. Voluntary transactions are nothing but freedom. The gorverment takes 40% of your income and purchase a lot of things against your will and you say you're free. Your neighborhood gets to control your life, and you say your free. That's ridiculous to me. I don't know what make you think we give authority to corporations, we just believe they deserve more freedom, as they struggle in that. You dont know what you're saying at all. It's a direct consequence of the ideology. The end result is you dont get to choose. 40% if you're a millionaire ... you're not a millionaire and much more likely than not never will be, dont kid yourself. I've never seen a libertarian say they are against neighbourhoods. Oh no whatever shal we do if we dont give corporations the freedom to dump toxic waste into rivers? Those poor rich people dont get to be richer. Think of the rich children! T___T Many progressives circle jerk over mass murders like Stalin, Mao, Fidel Castro etc. hahaha no... progressives play the " muh gorjillion dead" game. Only Tankies ( the authoritarians that support those same ideologies as who they are for) support those people in full. Unless you mean economic progressives but that's not really a whole ideology anyway. On the other hand you have people like altarius that say they are a classic liberal but love Nazi Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum I don't know much about those 2 actually. And even if it was true, who cares! It doesn't make their MAIN views, arguments and ideologies less realible, favorable or imortant. Same goes for Ayn Rand + She was more progressive than the usual imo. You crearly forget about how people the left dictators slaved. You might say "Oh they're authoritarian", do you know any left goverment that isn't authoritarian? Anyways, I think this one is a little out of topic since I didn't mention specifc names, but for a reason. It's not an argument ad populum. You don't get it. The ideology is in part designed to compliment their racist rhetoric. They try to imply that capitalism is fair thus black people are just stupid and lazy which is why they are disproportionately poorer. They don't like welfare in part because they dont like the idea that it goes to support black people. She was partially socially liberal not really progressive. That still doesnt mean she wasnt an imperialist. YOU GUYS SEE THAT? MISES SUPPORTED FASCISM AND HE'S FINALLY DEBUNKED!!! When Mises clearly humiliated Fascism and Comunism a few years later in his books. Stop making a fool of yourself. It has nothing to do with debunking. I didn't say he agreed with every aspect of them but that he defended them as necessary when they werent really. |
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| @Traed You dont know what you're saying at all. Its main goals is to value the idividual's choice. Limiting or abolishing the state. I don't know what you're talking about since you're not arguing at all.It's a direct consequence of the ideology. The end result is you dont get to choose. 40% if you're a millionaire ... you're not a millionaire and much more likely than not never will be, dont kid yourself. I've never seen a libertarian say they are against neighbourhoods. Oh no whatever shal we do if we dont give corporations the freedom to dump toxic waste into rivers? Those poor rich people dont get to be richer. Think of the rich children! T___T I know (I meant to say up to 40%, if not more) I'm talking about taxation in general which is too high, not to mention about the other forms of taxation that we can't skip. I'm saying that other people tell what you should do or not. (I guess we may agree on this one) Think of this way: I buy a house, now I want burn out my house because I'm a retarded - Is there a victim? If no, there's no crime. A river is different because it CAN affect others, you're putting toxics there, and they are going to the other's houses, plants, property and that's generating aggression. hahaha no... progressives play the " muh gorjillion dead" game. Only Tankies ( the authoritarians that support those same ideologies as who they are for) support those people in full. Unless you mean economic progressives but that's not really a whole ideology anyway. On the other hand you have people like altarius that say they are a classic liberal but love Nazi Germany. Talking about this subject is not relevant since it's nothing more than an anecdotic, but anyways;In my country you can see on the streets leftists protestants wearing Che Guevara, and even political leaders of socialist parties supporting him. Like if Che Guevara was a charity angel... And yes, leaders like Stalin and Fidel are praized in many places, but not much as Guevara I think. Not to mention progressit teachers teaching Marxism in school. That's the price of ignorance. Btw: Altaitus looks like a great historical figure You don't get it. The ideology is in part designed to compliment their racist rhetoric. They try to imply that capitalism is fair thus black people are just stupid and lazy which is why they are disproportionately poorer. They don't like welfare in part because they dont like the idea that it goes to support black people. I can't say too much because I don't know a lot of things about them, I tried to search and I didn't find any source of what you're talking about. And as I said, talking about that doesn't matter since their thoughts didn't change or became less important. That goes for figure on Earth.She was partially socially liberal not really progressive. That still doesnt mean she wasnt an imperialist. I meant to say socially liberal, but I didn't, because I was about to say "liberal" which has more than 2 meanings. But she was more progressive/socially liberal than more people in that period I'd say. No she was "almost an anarchist", despite criticizing Rothbard and others. The problem is that you are criticizing the person, not the arguments. Stop making a fool of yourself. It has nothing to do with debunking. I didn't say he agreed with every aspect of them but that he defended them as necessary when they werent really. I cannot stop playing the fool when people make statement like these, sorry.That's just in the middle of 1927, right after Mussouline getting the power, afterwards, Mises was totally against fascism. |
FragMentizedAug 12, 2017 4:05 PM
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
  I identify as conservative. Anti-abortion, anti-drugs and all that other stuff. I like being on the side of honesty and human decency. |
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| The creators of those tests completely lack understanding of the motivation of the people who have a different view from them. Both 8values and even more so the political compass already have a completely false understanding of the views of the "economically right-leaning people" or even show outright disdain toward them. 8values creator(s) made an axis about an end ("equality") against a means ("markets"). Obviously "equality" looks much better to the average person than "markets". The bias of the author is obvious. It's even worse with the political compass creator(s), who seems to believe (or pretends to believe) that economically right people are "all about multinational corporations", as opposed to being "all about humanity", which the economically left people supposedly stand for. They have some mental image and are arrogant enough to think that their made up hallucinations actually represent real people. |
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DateYutaka said: im shocked based on the times whi have talk polotics beofre you ocme of right winger to me A lot of people here seem to believe that I'm a right-winger, lol. On these political quizzes I often get placed on the centre/centre-right, but that's mostly because of social issues, rather than economic ones. I believe in a mixed economy – the Nordic model, but I'm also a Christian and treasure those values over more "progressive" ideals. I respect a separation of church and state, but I will obviously lean towards the direction that supports my beliefs. I often get branded a conservative by these quizzes because of that, but I don't mind that. Also, I'm speaking from a Norwegian perspective here, and not an American one, so I definitely don't identity as a conservative in the American sense. You could say that I'm slightly centre-left when it comes to economy, and centre-right when it comes to social views. |
MoogAug 12, 2017 5:30 PM
| It's good to know that there are more people of faith here on MAL. : ) A rarity for sure. |
Veronin said: I identify as conservative. Anti-abortion, anti-drugs and all that other stuff. I like being on the side of honesty and human decency. thye call you as you are its true like thye od me |
| "If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
I find this triangular political compass more useful:  In the sense that politics is about the central government (the state's proper size, scope, mandate, etc.), there's no such thing as a left-wing or right-wing anarchist. Both agree that the central government should not exist. Being pro-abortion or pro-refugee wouldn't make an anarchist right-wing or left-wing, because they wouldn't advocate using politics to create societal rules on abortion or refugees. Those would be apolitical views, like being pro-anime. If politics is about governance more broadly (including decentralized ways of giving society structure — rules, norms, dispute resolution mechanisms, etc.), then a square political compass makes more sense. But that would a layer of complexity to the discussion and is not what most people are talking about. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| This shitto agen.jpg I'm too lazy to take this test again but I always end up very socially libertarian and economically center. I find myself liking both left wing and right wing libertarian ideas and also think different economic modells can work depending on the context. Veronin said: Are you sure about that, my dear comrade?I identify as conservative. Anti-abortion, anti-drugs and all that other stuff. I like being on the side of honesty and human decency. Moog said: You're a betongsosseDateYutaka said: im shocked based on the times whi have talk polotics beofre you ocme of right winger to me A lot of people here seem to believe that I'm a right-winger, lol. On these political quizzes I often get placed on the centre/centre-right, but that's mostly because of social issues, rather than economic ones. I believe in a mixed economy – the Nordic model, but I'm also a Christian and treasure those values over more "progressive" ideals. I respect a separation of church and state, but I will obviously lean towards the direction that supports my beliefs. I often get branded a conservative by these quizzes because of that, but I don't mind that. Also, I'm speaking from a Norwegian perspective here, and not an American one, so I definitely don't identity as a conservative in the American sense. You could say that I'm slightly centre-left when it comes to economy, and centre-right when it comes to social views. @Frag- Big governements aside, isn't there a risk that some big corporations might end up becoming new "mini states" if they are given completely free hands and THEY start running people's lives instead of the governement? I think capitalism has a lot of benefits but I am VERY skeptical when it comes to letting big corporations run everything. |
Comic_SansAug 13, 2017 1:18 AM
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Gholy said: I'm considering that but I feel like I need to educate myself more on the different denominations first. That's cool! Denominations can be a bit tricky to choose, and if you're not familiar with them, there's a fairly decent online test that helps you determine which denomination your beliefs align with the most. It should be taken with a grain of salt, but the top 5 could be good potential options to research further. I'm personally a Lutheran. You're a betongsosse This sounds like some fucked-up Swedish derogatory lingo. D: |
MoogAug 13, 2017 6:42 AM
Date is specifically talking about Shintoism. i talked to him about it before on profile comments on how his religious and political beliefs intermingle if any and he said a longer version of what he said here. Frag- said: Its main goals is to value the idividual's choice. Limiting or abolishing the state. I don't know what you're talking about since you're not arguing at all. I know (I meant to say up to 40%, if not more) I'm talking about taxation in general which is too high, not to mention about the other forms of taxation that we can't skip. I'm saying that other people tell what you should do or not. (I guess we may agree on this one) Think of this way: I buy a house, now I want burn out my house because I'm a retarded - Is there a victim? If no, there's no crime. A river is different because it CAN affect others, you're putting toxics there, and they are going to the other's houses, plants, property and that's generating aggression. If it was really only about choice to proper coherency they would more often support mixed economics not harping for pure uninhibited capitalism. Too high according to what ? Yeah within some limitations. The people that worked on your house might not take to kindly to that and the wasted resources cant be brought back and environmental damage from carbon emissions. Not really saying that's criminal just that's not entirely victimless. If you have neighbours that's reckless endangerment. And do you think they would give a shit? Stuff like that happens even with organised government enforced law. It will only happen more without it. The NAP doesnt stop any of that by itself. Taxes pay for law enforcement. ]Talking about this subject is not relevant since it's nothing more than an anecdotic, but anyways; In my country you can see on the streets leftists protestants wearing Che Guevara, and even political leaders of socialist parties supporting him. Like if Che Guevara was a charity angel... And yes, leaders like Stalin and Fidel are praized in many places, but not much as Guevara I think. Not to mention progressit teachers teaching Marxism in school. That's the price of ignorance. Btw: Altaitus looks like a great historical figure That's because Che is trendy for whatever reason but many of them can't even name him and even more don't know much of anything about him aside from a name. As for Stalin, no not outside of tanies and some people in Russia whos ideologies I dont know where they are. Only thing that may have some truth to it is Fidel because he actually did some pretty good things for race related stuff and a couple other things which has nothing to do with anything resembling any authoritative so that isnt even a contradiction so you're not really making a point there. Unless you're talking about history or you live somewhere else, no. What is with that last bit? I was talking about the MAL user. I can't say too much because I don't know a lot of things about them, I tried to search and I didn't find any source of what you're talking about. And as I said, talking about that doesn't matter since their thoughts didn't change or became less important. That goes for figure on Earth. I meant to say socially liberal, but I didn't, because I was about to say "liberal" which has more than 2 meanings. But she was more progressive/socially liberal than more people in that period I'd say. No she was "almost an anarchist", despite criticizing Rothbard and others. The problem is that you are criticizing the person, not the arguments. Im guessing you didn't actually look much since you can get results first page of google such as. https://consortiumnews.com/2013/06/27/the-marriage-of-libertarians-and-racists/ http://www.businessinsider.com/exposing-the-racist-history-of-libertarianism-and-murray-rothbard-2011-10 In another older thread I had the original sources listed of stupid or racist things from Murray Rothbard and Charles Murray among others but I cant find the thread that was in. It's not just about them specifically necisarily anyway it's just a way to point out about how things like racist ideas are supported by the ideology because racists were behind forming it even if you dont directly mention the racial aspects they become seeded into peoples minds from a consequence of their viewpoints. Progressive doesn't mean the same as liberal. Also no he literally liked to call native savages that didnt deserve land. That's imperialism or at least straight up bigotry. I cannot stop playing the fool when people make statement like these, sorry. That's just in the middle of 1927, right after Mussouline getting the power, afterwards, Mises was totally against fascism. eh whatever but he spoke in past tense there so it makes it hard to tell what he was talking about " It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as something more would be a fatal error." |
traedAug 13, 2017 8:27 AM
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| @traed Oh, I see! I actually had my suspicions, because I believe that Date is Japanese, but I might be confusing him with someone else. I know next to nothing about Shintoism, though, and how it does or doesn't influence one's political stances. |
| @Comic_Sans @Frag- Big governements aside, isn't there a risk that some big corporations might end up becoming new "mini states" if they are given completely free hands and THEY start running people's lives instead of the governement? What's your point?If you're talking about monopolies, well, gorverment is the reason why corporations are powerful. If you're talking about some kind of Feudalism, again, I already said the reason of monopolies, and people won't be forced to anything against their own, by that the corporations won't gain anything. If it won't be lucrative. Think about it: You're giving me an example of a problem that has "never" been solved :^ I think capitalism has a lot of benefits but I am VERY skeptical when it comes to letting big corporations run everything. What do you mean by running everything? They don't run everything. |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
Moog said: @traed Oh, I see! I actually had my suspicions, because I believe that Date is Japanese, but I might be confusing him with someone else. I know next to nothing about Shintoism, though, and how it does or doesn't influence one's political stances. How he types probably should clue you in he's typing on some difficult keyboard lol Shintoism is just about kami/spirits it doesnt really have rules as far as im aware. Why I questioned him that time had to do with how some shinto mythology ties into Japanese imperialism which I saw as conflicting to his anti-imperialist views. Frag- said: @Comic_Sans @Frag- Big governements aside, isn't there a risk that some big corporations might end up becoming new "mini states" if they are given completely free hands and THEY start running people's lives instead of the governement? What's your point?If you're talking about monopolies, well, gorverment is the reason why corporations are powerful. If you're talking about some kind of Feudalism, again, I already said the reason of monopolies, and people won't be forced to anything against their own, by that the corporations won't gain anything. If it won't be lucrative. Think about it: You're giving me an example of a problem that has "never" been solved :^ I think capitalism has a lot of benefits but I am VERY skeptical when it comes to letting big corporations run everything. What do you mean by running everything? They don't run everything.The government is largely influenced by corporate lobbying but they couldn't even lobby unless they had power to begin with before the gov gave them more power. |
traedAug 13, 2017 8:56 AM
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| @Frag- The first one. So your hypothesis is that we would have less corporation monopolies if the governement didn't have so much influence? Would we have fewer issues with e.g. timber corporations cutting down our rain forests if we were to follow your economic model? Allow me to reformulate my question then, what would happen IF said big corporations were to run everything? Moog said: You're an old style social democrat (pre-68)This sounds like some fucked-up Swedish derogatory lingo. D: |
Comic_SansAug 13, 2017 9:02 AM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: @Frag- The first one. So your hypothesis is that we would have less corporation monopolies if the governement didn't have so much influence? Would we have fewer issues with e.g. timber corporations cutting down our rain forests if we were to follow your economic model? Allow me to reformulate my question then, what would happen IF said big corporations were to run everything? You should not just be 'asking' if but 'how'. Of course he's going to say yes to everything Like this but without safety standards, lower pay, and higher rent. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/08/facebooks-campus-offers-employees-fewer-reasons-to-leave-the-office.html |
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| @Traed If it was really only about choice to proper coherency they would more often support mixed economics not harping for pure uninhibited capitalism. Too high according to what ? Yeah within some limitations. The people that worked on your house might not take to kindly to that and the wasted resources cant be brought back and environmental damage from carbon emissions. Not really saying that's criminal just that's not entirely victimless. If you have neighbours that's reckless endangerment. And do you think they would give a shit? Stuff like that happens even with organised government enforced law. It will only happen more without it. The NAP doesnt stop any of that by itself. Taxes pay for law enforcement. Free-enterprise is a choice of the people. It is not limited to corporations, but to the individual. To my anectotic. *With many I'm just giving you an example, don't take it too seriously. And of course, if I did that in the middle of a city there would be victims, don't be so obvious. Yes, I do think people would give a shit about that. I never said it wouldn't be with a state law, yes. I never said courts and law should be privatized. I don't have strong arguments in protecting AnCap. That's because Che is trendy for whatever reason but many of them can't even name him and even more don't know much of anything about him aside from a name. As for Stalin, no not outside of tanies and some people in Russia whos ideologies I dont know where they are. K, you agree with me.Only thing that may have some truth to it is Fidel because he actually did some pretty good things for race related stuff and a couple other things which has nothing to do with anything resembling any authoritative so that isnt even a contradiction so you're not really making a point there. Well it's okay to kill over 100000 people as long as you solve race conflicts. Makes sense.Unless you're talking about history or you live somewhere else, no. Happens here at least.Im guessing you didn't actually look much since you can get results first page of google such as. Again, I'm tired of talking about this, same thing with the Left Ditactorship. It's irrelevant, rather talk about their main views and ideologies than necroing those worthless views.https://consortiumnews.com/2013/06/27/the-marriage-of-libertarians-and-racists/ http://www.businessinsider.com/exposing-the-racist-history-of-libertarianism-and-murray-rothbard-2011-10 In another older thread I had the original sources listed of stupid or racist things from Murray Rothbard and Charles Murray among others but I cant find the thread that was in. It's not just about them specifically necisarily anyway it's just a way to point out about how things like racist ideas are supported by the ideology because racists were behind forming it even if you dont directly mention the racial aspects they become seeded into peoples minds from a consequence of their viewpoints. Progressive doesn't mean the same as liberal. Also no he literally liked to call native savages that didnt deserve land. That's imperialism or at least straight up bigotry. Same thing as the paragraph above, you say that forgeting that many people support the cultural Marxism and the genocide it did. Yet you still deny that, when many people think it was distasteful for a reason. It depends of how you name it and the period, progressive can be a political ideology or an adjective, same as conservative. Liberal has like 3 meanings. She apparently did? It was far from he main ideologies. Straight up bigotry =/= Imperialism. It's weird when she was totally against racism. Isn't it? It's against individualism. eh whatever but he spoke in past tense there so it makes it hard to tell what he was talking about " It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as something more would be a fatal error." I will answer about Mises later, it is more of a interesting subject, I was waiting this for day hahahahahaha Ugh, people still believe that...... |
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Gholy said: You say that you strongly disagree, but I see your point as compatible with mine. My second paragraph acknowledged that governance goes beyond the state.Josh said: Strongly disagree.I find this triangular political compass more useful: In the sense that politics is about the central government (the state's proper size, scope, mandate, etc.), there's no such thing as a left-wing or right-wing anarchist. Both agree that the central government should not exist. Left-anarchism and right-anarchism (assuming it can even be considered anarchism and not simply anti-statism) are fundamentally different in that one of them wants to abolish government because of its hierarchical structure and the other simply wants to privatize the functions of government. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
  I've always had very moderate political views. If you ask me though, I'd say lean more right than left. |
Snot-nosed_BratAug 13, 2017 5:00 PM
@Moog @Josh My apologies I misinterpreted what you were saying @Frag- @traed At least you were charitable enough to add the 2nd part of the quote that a lot of people forget "But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as something more would be a fatal error."" Mises believed that Italian fascism was a response to communism. He actually hated it because he thought fascism, like communism, put too much faith in violence. |
Gholy said: @Moog @Josh My apologies I misinterpreted what you were saying @Frag- @traed At least you were charitable enough to add the 2nd part of the quote that a lot of people forget "But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as something more would be a fatal error."" Mises believed that Italian fascism was a response to communism. He actually hated it because he thought fascism, like communism, put too much faith in violence. he still backed it simple as that im sorry no matter his reason he still backed it |
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Comic_Sans said: Exactly. I will summarize: You can't have competition among corporations when you have loads of regulations, not to mention the taxes killing small business; and the big corporations doing corporatism with the state.@Frag- The first one. So your hypothesis is that we would have less corporation monopolies if the governement didn't have so much influence? Would we have fewer issues with e.g. timber corporations cutting down our rain forests if we were to follow your economic model? Eliminate all tariffs and restrictions on forgein trade, and you enable the world to come in as competition to prevent domestic monopolies. Monopoly is mainly a goverment privilege. Allow me to reformulate my question then, what would happen IF said big corporations were to run everything? |
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DateYutaka said: that only kakko shinto that was a thing bettwen beofe 1945 Shinto is the native but not state faith of japan i wish shinto was speds more for this reason that it owuld allow more person of faith ot be secular poloicallly speaking like me that my bis issue with the so called secular west the esapclly on the right fitah based groups have ot much power 22-35% of the GOP base are rabd evengelicals who want us a Chraitain iran even your vp does you yiou helped secularise us but your not secular nay more and have no been since regan its sad why dont people care about the estbalimst clause in your consttsion the left is the secularing power That's why I said in some of the mythology. I wasnt implying it was a state religion. So are you saying there are certain viewpoints beyond spirits and all that? That's more unique to the US though. The US is unusually religious for a developed country. Not necisarily. There are several religious left ideologies. Frag- said: A mixed economy is a choice of the goverment, not the people. That's not freedom. Free-enterprise is a choice of the people. It is not limited to corporations, but to the individual. Bullshit if that were true state-capitalists, socialists, distributists and mutualists and the like wouldnt exist. Do you even know what a mixed economy is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy To my anectotic. *With many anecdotic * And you came to that conclusion how? I'm just giving you an example, don't take it too seriously. And of course, if I did that in the middle of a city there would be victims, don't be so obvious. Yes, I do think people would give a shit about that. I never said it wouldn't be with a state law, yes. I never said courts and law should be privatized. I don't have strong arguments in protecting AnCap. And I was pointing out it's not a very good example. The people who do the toxic waste dumping? No, they don't care that's why they do it. That's who I meant not people in general. Anyway you're using a weaker version of right-libertarianism so your points are pretty moot. The whole time I was talking about laissez-faire capitalism not the stuff from the libertarian party. K, you agree with me. To a completely moot point that means very little given proper context. Well it's okay to kill over 100000 people as long as you solve race conflicts. Makes sense. That's just a retarded strawman. One doesnt lead to the other. Also you're getting that number from where? Do you even know how that number was gathered and what they count as " killing" ? Happens here at least. Where is here? What schools? If it's a uni that's part of courses where it relates to the subject ffs. Again, I'm tired of talking about this, same thing with the Left Ditactorship. It's irrelevant, rather talk about their main views and ideologies than necroing those worthless views. Same thing as the paragraph above, you say that forgeting that many people support the cultural Marxism and the genocide it did. Yet you still deny that, when many people think it was distasteful for a reason. It depends of how you name it and the period, progressive can be a political ideology or an adjective, same as conservative. Liberal has like 3 meanings. She apparently did? It was far from he main ideologies. Straight up bigotry =/= Imperialism. It's weird when she was totally against racism. Isn't it? It's against individualism. You can't even form an argument. Im not talking about dictators Im talking about the inherant flaws of right-libertarianism and AnCap. Those views can be formed by anyone trying to explain why black people are disproportionately poorer which is a direct result of class immobility that exists in capitalism especially if it's laissez-faire. "Cultural Marxim " hahahha You're spouting Nazi rhetoric yourself now and further proving my point. The term cultural marxism was started by Nazi germany under the term " cultural Bolshevism".It's used by the aut-right to describe stuff having to do with porn, homosexuality, fetishes and all that. You dont even know what you're saying. Holy shit. If mean to be talking about Marxism, Marx never had outlined in detail what socialism would be. Socialism just means post-capitalism that is more social and Marxism is just scientific socialism which is just Marx's answer to what he thought were flaw to the Paris commune. What actually was enacted was Leninism which is although is based on Marx critique no one can agree if it was a proper implementation of it but many socialists say it's not and anyway its just one interpretation of what might the path to socialism and I don't like that system because central planned economies are difficult to manage and it cant really turn into socialism from that I think. Bear in mind the bad influence was more from Stalin which is why some did even worse at implementation and execution of a system.You're just making up strawman arguments now because you can't even address basic things I point out to you. I'm not denying anything and you can try to prove I said something if you want but you will fail every time because you're just lying or misunderstanding. Yes, she did....I didnt say it's the same. Justifying colonialism and the horrible treatment of natives because she didn't like a culture is pretty much supporting imperialism. Colonialism is a subset of imperialism in case youre confused. The bigotry against those cultures and groups is something else. Point is she had contradictory views as I have pointed with other major figures. She said native Americans have no right to complain about their land being taken and falsely claimed they have no concept of land and that they were savages and compared them to animals. I already know she claimed to be against racism. [Are sure about that traed-chan? I will answer about Mises later, it is more of a interesting subject, I was waiting this for day hahahahahaha Ugh, people still believe that...... What are you talking about? I said his wording was easy to seem as he was talking in past tense but either way it was still defence for an authoritarian system as a whole at a point in time which still shows the contradictions many libertarians and AnCaps display. I wasn't trying to say he supported the worst of the worst aspects. Not sure what those pictures have to do with anything. I dont know why youre making a big deal over this as if you reached some victory when it was only one small point not really important to what I was talking about because I have every other point you didnt properly address but just kept trying to dismiss. Gholy said: @Frag- @traed At least you were charitable enough to add the 2nd part of the quote that a lot of people forget Mises believed that Italian fascism was a response to communism. He actually hated it because he thought fascism, like communism, put too much faith in violence. Didnt see a point in leaving it off because I wasnt trying to say he supported it to every degree just defended an authoritarian system contradictory to his ideology on a basis that doesnt really make sense. Plus I knew it would be brought up anyway. Although Im not quite sure how Italian fascism was at it's start. What did he mean when he called it an emergency makeshift? |
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traed said: Even if the economy is mixed economy it still despises many economic freedom. Although it's better than many worst models..Bullshit if that were true state-capitalists, socialists, distributists and mutualists and the like wouldnt exist. Do you even know what a mixed economy is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy But yeah, I feel like I exagerated a little. And I'm pretty sure you support an authoritarian econmy, not just a mixed one. And you came to that conclusion how? Do I really need to say why we are over-regulated? lolThe people who do the toxic waste dumping? No, they don't care that's why they do it. That's who I meant not people in general. Anyway you're using a weaker version of right-libertarianism so your points are pretty moot. The whole time I was talking about laissez-faire capitalism not the stuff from the libertarian party. No, for the people who are being affected by that toxic waste dumping.They're subject to agression and the company would have to pay something for it. If the goverment does the polluting, people can't do shit about it.I don't know what is that you were talking about, for me you were talking all the time about water pullution. To a completely moot point that means very little given proper context. You technically just agreed with me tbh :^That's just a retarded strawman. One doesnt lead to the other. Also you're getting that number from where? Do you even know how that number was gathered and what they count as " killing" ? On Fidel Castro https://www.quora.com/How-many-deaths-was-Fidel-Castro-responsible-for Also, death is not the only form of cruelty http://babalublog.com/fidel-castros-greatest-atrocities-and-crimes/fidel-castros-firing-squads-in-cuba/ On Che (Wow, I was taking about T-Shirts, aren't I) https://www.ihatethemedia.com/13-reasons-you-should-throw-away-your-che-guevara-t-shirt Yet people see those monsters as heros, even many left-libertarians. Where is here? What schools? If it's a uni that's part of courses where it relates to the subject ffs. Both in schools and universities, and no, it's the teacher's ideology.You can't even form an argument. Im not talking about dictators Im talking about the inherant flaws of right-libertarianism and AnCap. Those views can be formed by anyone trying to explain why black people are disproportionately poorer which is a direct result of class immobility that exists in capitalism especially if it's laissez-faire. OF COURSE I'M NOT FORMING AN ARGUMENT. Talking, the problem is that you reborn irrelevant quotes instead of arguing against the person MAIN views and ideologies. Didn't you one thing doesn't leave to another.Alright, libertarians figures were the reason of all the rascism that happened in America, K. No, capitalism is the best way to overcome porverty. Racisms is racism. Free-market is Free-market. Do you know the reason of the black's misery? Yes, the bad goverment actions, and would be eliminated if you eliminated if you eliminated the bad goverment failures. "Cultural Marxim " hahahha You're spouting Nazi rhetoric yourself(etc.) Can we please deal with this later senpai?Yes, she did....I didnt say it's the same. Justifying colonialism and the horrible treatment of natives because she didn't like a culture is pretty much supporting imperialism. Colonialism is a subset of imperialism in case youre confused. The bigotry against those cultures and groups is something else. Point is she had contradictory views as I have pointed with other major figures. She said native Americans have no right to complain about their land being taken and falsely claimed they have no concept of land and that they were savages and compared them to animals. Uuuhhh? One thing doesn't lead to another right?I already know she claimed to be against racism. For, Ayn, it's immoral to initiate force against other individuals, it doesn't mean she would do it by herself. And I'm not aware of the entire story, unlike the Mises's Facism case. ----- And btw no, I agree with many things libertarian figures say, but not all of them ( even for people like Friedman, which maily talked about economic stuff I'd say). ----- What are you talking about? I said his wording was easy to seem as he was talking in past tense but either way it was still defence for an authoritarian system as a whole at a point in time which still shows the contradictions many libertarians and AnCaps display. I wasn't trying to say he supported the worst of the worst aspects. Not sure what those pictures have to do with anything. I dont know why youre making a big deal over this as if you reached some victory when it was only one small point not really important to what I was talking about because I have every other point you didnt properly address but just kept trying to dismiss. Hahaha, you got me too seriously :/ I'm meant to say to say that I'm supposed to answer you on this subject since the Anarhco-capitalism thread, just that.Oh my gosh... Mises wasn't for an autoritharian gorvement, nor facism, Mises thought fascism was some kind of "Anti-communism" force before 1927. He was against facism/nazism years later. In fact, Mises was chased by the fascist/nazi forces. Wow, you don't know what the pictures mean, it is just a 770 Degree memes Neo-communist propaganda :^ I'm not claiming victory, it's just funny to see people thinking that Mises supported fascism when he was totally against it, I mean, the true Mussolini Fascism, not the one he described. He meant to say something more as "prophetic" and not Facism on that book. |
FragMentizedAug 15, 2017 6:24 PM
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Just so it can be said I made my political views public on this website at least once, given I usually refrain from discussing such opinions online:  Though I find it weird that I have been labeled as fascist by 8values tbh, I have always considered myself an authoritarian capitalist with strong leanings towards conservatism and patriotism, but not really outright fascism ._. |
ManabanAug 15, 2017 5:26 PM
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aaronrray said: I am actually quite surprised that this community doesn't lean as far left as I expected. But then again, it is only the radical voices that we really hear, and therefore you get a big difference between the perceived leanings and the actual ones. Although, I severely doubt that most people here are hardline socially conservative by US standards, because most anime (for older audiences) is a slap in the face to that side. If Ted Cruz were to watch, lets say, Neon Genesis Evangelion, or say, Knights of Sidonia... or (for laffs) Mnemosyne... There would be a bill on the senate floor to ban Crunchyroll. EDIT: Hell, Sailor Moon had to get a bit of a story change in order to go on US TVs I think that's more the religion side of things that puts people off from certain fiction. I'm agnostic so nothing really bothers me despite my conservative beliefs. Plus, it's often people on the left who are more prone to this sort of behaviour. "This is sexist. That's homophobic. That triggers me." |
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