DuoraDoll said:Reikuo said:
When did I say the anime was "critically loved"? Also we dont have the facts, but I think its beyond a more then fair assumption that this series gets way more 1/10 votes then the average series because of the controversy. I think if left to its own devices it would be pushing an 8 on MAL. In addition to that, most of the hate and generic 1 liner posts are coming from people who see this thread trending in the active topics section and come to post some dribble.
The reason I brought up the score was because if its an anime you and others you have found online "love to hate" surely its not because its so bad its good if a pool of 40k people from one of the biggest Western fansites is anything to go by. Seems to me something else is going on. 7.14 is not a bad score...
Im not sure what the other numbers really matter, its still a 7.14 with 40k votes on MAL which is an irrefutable statistic. On a Western site too. Hating watching a show with a 7.14? I will admit, I dont get it.
@DuoraDoll As you said, no critique, no discussion, no analysis. Im just giving a taste of it back. Also you cant compare Hollywood to anime.
Those series you listed get most income from the box office, and blu-ray/DVDs are sold for $20-$25 and drop significantly after release. Anime have 6-7 volumes that are 6k yen minimum. If we round down to $50 that is $25 an episode. Anime fans spend way more then Twilight fans, even if that Twilight fan has all the movies and books owning not even half of the blu-ray volumes for any anime costs more then would it have a whole bookshelf of Twilight movies and books.
Anime for now depends on merch rather then streaming revenue like Western media so its an entirely different beast. Its two different approaches. Anime sells to a very small audience with deep pockets when it comes to merch and blu-ray, the West tries to get a broad audience to spend a little bit. So it IS fair to use sales when talking about anime because they market things to appeal to a specific sect of the otaku fanbase to support with blu-ray/DVD and merch sales. The audience they targeted is going to pay up big time for Eromanga Sensei, they dont really care what a bunch of people in the US think who wont be spending money.
Ah, this sounds like a pretty dang solid argument. And on top of that the tone is much better than the previous ones. Took me a while to come up with a response to this but here goes.
It's easy to say that this anime could have gotten an 8, but the reality is that it didn't, but the reason it got that score is the reason why it's popular. This anime very well could be described as a "loli 'incest' fan service show" and this description wouldn't be entirely wrong. This is quite a controversial subject for pretty obvious reasons, and there aren't many anime that tackle all of these elements the way this anime does, so of course it would get hated on, and get 1/10s. Without those controversial elements though, it would have just been another average romantic comedy.
As for my comparison of Hollywood to anime. I probably could have handled that better. I wasn't really comparing the two. All I meant was that just because something is popular and sells well, doesn't mean it's actually that good. It just meets the desires of an audience that aren't tackled often or the same way. Transformers for example ain't good, but there aren't that many movies being made about a bunch of giant alien robots fighting each other with explosions everywhere, so for people who want to see that, Transformers is the place to go. And again, as there aren't many movies or anything that tackle those elements, supporting the movies that do give the people making the movies more of a reason to give people more of what they want. At least that's what I think anyway.
Well thank you for the competent response.
This is hardly an extension of the conversation, but I feel like having a rant.
One of the reasons I am supportive of Eromanga Sensei has admittedly nothing to do with the show itself, but is part of what I just said about anime, catering to niche audiences. The approach anime takes by targeting niches, and rejecting perusing broad appeal, is one of the things that makes anime so special. So many of these shows Western fans love to hate seem to me to be the most unique animes we have.
Thing is with those Western series everyone mentions is, none of them are niche like Eromanga Sensei. If Transformers stopped making content, somewhere along the line a new robot series will come. Sometimes we have to wait, but it will come. Where is a 12 year old little sister fan service romance going to come from with the quality this show has? Its something that would only ever come out of anime, due to how it sells and gets money from the community.
Eromanga Sensei is a concept that would never launch in the West by a studio on the level of A-1 Pictures. This is something really unique to Japan and the entertainment world. It has no broad appeal, its not supposed to, and its themes are so outlandish we would never see them anywhere else. What other industry gambles on getting 4-6 thousand people to pay $300 for the shows? The industry is changing, and streaming is catching up at a great pace with each passing year in terms of where the bulk of revenue is coming. However up until now, and its still mostly the case, merch and blu-ray are what determine if a show is getting a sequel. The fans paying for these blu-ray have a lot of power and say, more so then any other community in the entertainment world that I can think of. The otaku are all powerful in terms of having high quality content of their tastes sold to them.
Then on top of that to keep it short, the animator problem in Japan with there being a shortage and the pay sucking as much as it does.... So many people involved are in it for the art, and it sucks there is a massive problem with the work conditions and pay but it no doubt has an effect on the shows coming out. These animators working in poor conditions with poor pay just for the love of the art is unquestionably going to show in the work. Im not advocating for conditions to stay the same, not in the slightest, but I think people dont realize that a lot of people pour an immense amount of soul into the work. More so then a lot of other entertainment industry.
So just to me, I would complain about Eromanga Sensei in a different way. If you dont like the show thats fine, and there are plenty of other animes people love that I hate, but no matter how much I dislike a show im most certainly glad it is there. Eromanga Sensei if nothing else says hey nothing is off limits in anime yet. We will not be censored and we will pander to a niche community that certainly gets no respect from outsiders looking in. On that note I think Eromanga Sensei deserves a little of everyones support, even if your not a fan of the show. |