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Animayham said: Oh, so you basically "I'm right and you are wrong no matter what you said just because" kind of thinking. Lol Ok.tr1ckst3r said: Lel. If anything it's the opposite. You are the one who is having bias here. Bite the Dust sure is convenient but is far from cheap. It's not just a simple "Time Reset" but it need a certain condition to activate it which is directly related to why Kira gain the ability in the first place. JoJo have a lot of convenient power up but none of it feels cheap at all because Araki usually know how to make a power looks convincing and interesting, Bite the Dust was no exception. You are crazy biased, but people like you cant see that. If you think BTD is good , not cheap and convenient and i'm biased (for what reason ? ) then theres nothing logical you will hear. |
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tr1ckst3r said: Animayham said: Oh, so you basically "I'm right and you are wrong no matter what you said just because" kind of thinking. Lol Ok.You are crazy biased, but people like you cant see that. If you think BTD is good , not cheap and convenient and i'm biased (for what reason ? ) then theres nothing logical you will hear. If thats what YOU think this is then fine. It's not but you are clearly blind here. Experience tells me it's stupid to try and convince non thinkers like you. |
| great episode, really enjoyed it. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure(2012) part 2 is still the best though.. by far :> |
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MSJ said: lel watermelon-or i guess oreo Kira hair styling and love the epilepsy attack when he got pierced by the arrow again but aw shit i wanted to see Killer Queen do the squat that's the BtD pose. shocked they covered not as much material as usual. Araki uses the pose at least twice to my knowledge. That squatting pose just might appear in the next episode (I hope) His icon is from HxH 1999 which doesn't include what you might be thinking about @Romeo Read the manga it's better |
ShigyCNov 26, 2016 1:04 PM
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| I'm usually on board with DP's choice of colors for the whole series but I disliked that they chose such an unappealing color for Kira's hair. It almost looks like he just smeared white paint all over his hair. Ieks! It looks so much better like this: Other than that and the occasional QUALITY shots (it's a shame really since the art is one of the reasons I like the manga so much), they adapted the first "Bites the Dust" chapters very well. I always loved the transition of a seriously cornered Kira, to his borderline arrogantly confident self. And why wouldn't he be, he just won the stand lottery. Part 4's end fight is my second favorite just behind Part 7 so I hope they do it justice. |
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Halicone said: (it's a shame really since the art is one of the reasons I like the manga so much) Just check out this blog every now and then to see how DavidPro polishes up this anime: https://jojocomparisons.github.io/ |
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ShigyC said: Halicone said: (it's a shame really since the art is one of the reasons I like the manga so much) Just check out this blog every now and then to see how DavidPro polishes up this anime: https://jojocomparisons.github.io/ Interesting, they do retouch a lot for the Blu-ray release. It would be cool to see a side by side comparison once Part 4 finishes airing, to see what changed. |
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Halicone said: Interesting, they do retouch a lot for the Blu-ray release. It would be cool to see a side by side comparison once Part 4 finishes airing, to see what changed. RHCP Part 1 had lots of QUALITY-fixes (starting around 1/4 through the page) https://jojocomparisons.github.io/jojo-diu-11/ |
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Animayham said: SlowDancer said: Lmao "O, my rubber nen" is even more pathetic of a plot convenience than BtD. With the arrow at least it stays consistent that it will give a new ability that is convenient to the user's desire(kira regrets killing hayato, the arrow solved this by giving him time loop power). And yes, the power that is given is always situational to what the user is facing/experiencing And this eps is actually one of the best since quiet life 2 and SHA 1 & 2 SMH, you make the mistake that having hisoka as my avatar means I agree with everything in HxH or it has anything to do with the plot convenience of JOJO. This shows the intelligence level i'm dealing with here. Watch out we got a badass over here My point is, you enjoy HxH which has almost if not the same number of asspull as Jojo yet you complained that the latter is cheap for using convenient asspull??wut?? Don't get me wrong i love HxH(it's in my top 2) |
SlowDancerNov 26, 2016 5:54 PM
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| People arguing about things in a JoJo series being "unrealistic"... Lol |
Animayham said: just like Hisoka conveniently gaining an ability to fake his death so he didnt die in his fight agaisnt chrollo lolLet's be honest. This episode was hyped and it's not that good. Kira new ability is the epitome of convenient and cheap. If you think otherwise or fail to see how its a stretch and laziness of this all, you are obviously stanning this show and are represent the problem with most fandom. JOJO fans love to say if you're looking for logic in this show you made a mistake. This is obviously a lazier excuse than most of Araki writing. Every show has logic and requires it, for some reason this fanbase is devoid of it when they refuse to acknowledge the series shortcomings. Just stop justifying some of these things, it makes many of you fans look pathetic. |
Animayham said: Kira new ability is the epitome of convenient and cheap. No shit, Sherlock? That's kind of the whole point. =P Anyway, I have to admit that I've sort of forgotten the details of how the final fight goes down in the roughly 10 years since I read the Part 4 manga, so I'm greatly looking forward to these upcoming episodes. |
| You should really just ignore Animayham. It's clear that whatever you will write, he won't listen. There's no point in arguing with someone that has a "fixed" view on something. |
| If Bites the Dust wasn't so ridiculously convenient,that would be a lot better. Funny fact that he instantly knows how to use the new ability as it was nothing. This part it's seriously overrated. |
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Volthoom said: SpidleShanks said: If Bites the Dust wasn't so ridiculously convenient,that would be a lot better. Funny fact that he instantly knows how to use the new ability as it was nothing. This part it's seriously overrated. Actually the overrated part would be Stardust Crusaders, with Dio/DIO being a very overrated villain. Part 4 is not was popular as Parts 3, 5, and 7 in Japan. It's more popular in the West though. Also some Stand users just instinctively know what their Stands can do without actually using said power. Favorite parts: 6, 4, 8, 7, 5, 1, 2, 3 How I rate the Parts(won't exactly be the same as the above list): 7, 8, 4, 6, 5, 2, 1, 3. Stardust Crusaders it's not that overrated,on the Jojo's groups i make part in facebook,for example,people agree that it's not big deal,except for the good fights and humor on the second season,but Diamond is Unbreakable it's always so loved and ''praised'',since there's nothing special about comparing to the other parts (Except for Rohan,Rohan is bae),this is what i see constantly on that groups. Sorry if i left the impression of Diamond is Unbreakable being overrated,like,''all over the world.'' |
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ProJFURY said: Ictius said: You should really just ignore Animayham. It's clear that whatever you will write, he won't listen. There's no point in arguing with someone that has a "fixed" view on something. I feel like I have to apologize for being a little over sensitive about it. Could have stopped there, cause you getting sensitive shows you are not level headed to discuss this. Moving on , it's good to see some other people in this thread find Bites the dust to be overrated and via extension this part of JOJO. |
| Other than the main protag & antag (and Fatty/Shigechi) making it to Araki's top ten JoJo character list (circa 2000), are there any other sources on him calling Part 4 his personal favorite? |
ShigyCNov 28, 2016 7:22 PM
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ProJFURY said: SpidleShanks said: If Bites the Dust wasn't so ridiculously convenient,that would be a lot better. Funny fact that he instantly knows how to use the new ability as it was nothing. This part it's seriously overrated. A Stand (and by extenstion its abilities) is a person's willpower and soul that is given a physical form. It would make sense that a person would instinctively know how to use it on a basic level right away, but not master it. The mastering point is very important in Jojo. That's why there is a development potential section for Stands. As regards to Kira's BTD being "convenient", that's the whole point. The arrow saw Kira's willpower grow when he stated that he will never leave Morioh. It chose him and gave him a very situational power to uphold his will and combat his opposers. That's what the arrow does. There is this theme in Jojo of Fate not really taking any side in conflicts. It only chooses who is worthy at the moment. The people themselves dictate whether or not they will suceed. Fate is only there as a catalyst of sorts and as an unbiased aid. This is explained more in Part 5. I wrote a long paragraph earlier in the forum going into more depth on how Kira's power really fits him and his goals. That's not to say he 100% understands and has perfected his power. I don't want to get into spoilers, but the reason he lost has to do with his own power and him being overconfident and not fully understanding it. It'll become more apparent next episode probably. Diamond is Unbreakable is loved for good reasons. I see no reason why it would be thought as "over rated" Part 4 marked a huge change in Jojo that took it out of "Fist of the North Star/Macho Man inspired" into its own creature. Araki showed a strong footing in not only crafting Stand fights that were creative and interesting, but also showed a significant development in his writing of the story and characters. Josuke and Kira are some of the most relatable characters in all of Jojo. Both of them are surprisingly very very human. I'll end this with a quote from Araki himself. "I frequently get the comment that the "Enemies" in JoJo Part 4 are "Weak." I think my response to this criticism is quite clear from the work itself, but since I've heard the same complaint from the editorial staff, I'll answer it explicitly: I constructed Part 4 around the theme of mental and emotional weakness. The Stands were created by exaggerating the viewpoints of characters consumed by their own flaws." -Hirohiko Araki you can not justify bites the dust by referencing requiem stands or anything done after part 4 how Kira got the ability is shit writing on Araki's part, it's the worst of the main villains power-ups by far its not foreshadowed doesn't make sense within the rules set within part 4 which is a shame because its one of the most interesting abilities but sullied with how it was attained |
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ProJFURY said: StefanHere said: you can not justify bites the dust by referencing requiem stands or anything done after part 4 how Kira got the ability is shit writing on Araki's part, it's the worst of the main villains power-ups by far its not foreshadowed doesn't make sense within the rules set within part 4 which is a shame because its one of the most interesting abilities but sullied with how it was attained The part with Kira being chosen by the arrow is still stated at the beginning of Part 4. The arrow choosing people based on if they are worthy or not/have the willpower is said by Okuyasu's brother. You don't need requiem Stands(which I never mentioned I don't believe) to justify the Stand giving people situational powers based on their needs and will. You only need to look at pretty much every Stand User in Part 4. Superfly User: Decides to leave his tower one day->gets Stand that lets him leave his Tower. Tonio: Wants to cultivate his cooking and help people->Stand that helps people through his cooking and furthers his cooking. Angelo: Wants to escape his death sentence and continue being a murderer->Stand helps him escape his death and murder more. RPS Kid: Wants to play Rock Paper scissors->Stand is based on RPS, etc. etc. Everything is already said in Part 4 and Araki even further supports that with his quote I mentioned. That's one of the main points of showing all these people in Morioh. It's to show how the arrow has affected them and what powers it has given them. Also, by mentioning Part 5 I was talking about the theme of Fate not choosing both sides. I still don't understand why you can't take all of Jojo as a whole when talking about it and analyzing it. It's Araki's life work and he is constantly adding to it. We can't just take Jotaro's character from Part 3, 4, and 6 separately. We have to look at how he develops across those parts as well. My point is that Kira's powerup makes sense even in only Part 4 and it makes more sense when you talk about Kira's character and what he wants and strives for. Sure the exact power and what it does wasn't foreshadowed and I don't mind that really, neither was Love Train, GER, Tusk Act 4, and stuff like that. However, the goal of the power, the will of the User and want he/she wants to achieve is always built up across each part. people get stands that fit with their needs it only applies to being pierced once (as of part 4) no one had been pierced twice no one even had the notion, it was only introduced with the moment of the attainment of bites the dust which makes it an asspull Araki should of set it up beforehand maybe with a minor character or something that Kira/his father observed someone getting new abilities and killed to keep the information to himself (just an example) |
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yes bites the dust is the logical progression of Killer queen and Kira's ambitions to stay in hiding, but you shouldn't opt to justify plot points in a story because its never stated otherwise that's shit writing highlighted in the acquisition of bites the dust not the ability itself Just a single line of monologue of something pertaining the method of creating stand users with the arrow and what were to happen a stand user was struck another time? from Kira's father would of been something you could point to in the story that would've been enough of a justification |
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| I have not read the manga but i can tell that the people that criticize this new ability for being "too convenient" haven't paid enough attention to the series. He obviously didn't gain this ability on chance but because his willpower/character/state called forth this power. It is just like Darby's gambling ability and that cook's in this season. Both of their abilities, along with Kira, are "convenient" on purpose cause that seems to be how the whole Stand thing works. |
| Man, way to contrive things up. And people thought that Jotaro's The World was Deus Ex Machina. Joseph's Magma Punch seems like nothing now. |
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StefanHere said: ProJFURY said: A Stand (and by extenstion its abilities) is a person's willpower and soul that is given a physical form. It would make sense that a person would instinctively know how to use it on a basic level right away, but not master it. The mastering point is very important in Jojo. That's why there is a development potential section for Stands. As regards to Kira's BTD being "convenient", that's the whole point. The arrow saw Kira's willpower grow when he stated that he will never leave Morioh. It chose him and gave him a very situational power to uphold his will and combat his opposers. That's what the arrow does. There is this theme in Jojo of Fate not really taking any side in conflicts. It only chooses who is worthy at the moment. The people themselves dictate whether or not they will suceed. Fate is only there as a catalyst of sorts and as an unbiased aid. This is explained more in Part 5. I wrote a long paragraph earlier in the forum going into more depth on how Kira's power really fits him and his goals. That's not to say he 100% understands and has perfected his power. I don't want to get into spoilers, but the reason he lost has to do with his own power and him being overconfident and not fully understanding it. It'll become more apparent next episode probably. Diamond is Unbreakable is loved for good reasons. I see no reason why it would be thought as "over rated" Part 4 marked a huge change in Jojo that took it out of "Fist of the North Star/Macho Man inspired" into its own creature. Araki showed a strong footing in not only crafting Stand fights that were creative and interesting, but also showed a significant development in his writing of the story and characters. Josuke and Kira are some of the most relatable characters in all of Jojo. Both of them are surprisingly very very human. I'll end this with a quote from Araki himself. "I frequently get the comment that the "Enemies" in JoJo Part 4 are "Weak." I think my response to this criticism is quite clear from the work itself, but since I've heard the same complaint from the editorial staff, I'll answer it explicitly: I constructed Part 4 around the theme of mental and emotional weakness. The Stands were created by exaggerating the viewpoints of characters consumed by their own flaws." -Hirohiko Araki you can not justify bites the dust by referencing requiem stands or anything done after part 4 how Kira got the ability is shit writing on Araki's part, it's the worst of the main villains power-ups by far its not foreshadowed doesn't make sense within the rules set within part 4 which is a shame because its one of the most interesting abilities but sullied with how it was attained Thank you, its simply idiotic to use stands from a future part to justify what happens in part 4. People think just cause there is a half assed reasoning provided, makes bites the dust not shit writing. The fact that BTD is so specific and tailored made for Kira's situation makes the writing even more insulting. |
Animayham said: The fact that BTD is so specific and tailored made for Kira's situation makes the writing even more insulting. THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF THE ARROW it helps you handle the situation by giving you a very specific power. |
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| I feel like some of these people might go into a coma if they were to ever witness Steel Ball Run's Big Bad battle, lol. Personally, I'm fine with antagonists having deus ex machinas, especially if they have an in-universe logical explanation (that being the Stand Arrow in this case). Though in general deus ex machina can work even with protagonists, it depends. For example, is Goku going Super Saiyan a DEM? Yes, but it was a great moment, and the final battle with Freeza was a lot of fun. So like, it's whatever in that case. IMO deus ex machina can work in shounen action schlock, and I think most people who aren't purposely hate-watching DiU just to troll and badmouth Jojo fans for liking Jojo would agree that Bites the Dust does DEM just fine. =P |
SlowDancer said: Animayham said: The fact that BTD is so specific and tailored made for Kira's situation makes the writing even more insulting. THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF THE ARROW it helps you handle the situation by giving you a very specific power. THAT'S WHATS SO FUCKING TERRIBLE ABOUT THE WRITING |
| Kira way too OP. pls nerf! Great episode. I wonder how our JoJo heroes are going to be able to take him down? And will we get some type of awesome Jotaro stopping time vs. Kira rewinding time battle? Now that it's revealed Kira has a time-related power, I wonder if a JoJo villain in the future will have a fast-forward power? Could be cool. |
| ^No spoiling, obviously. Not to worry Mormegil |
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| I'm going to assume that Mormegil was asking rhetorical questions, basically wondering things out loud to himself. |
Animayham said: SlowDancer said: THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF THE ARROW it helps you handle the situation by giving you a very specific power. THAT'S WHATS SO FUCKING TERRIBLE ABOUT THE WRITING Smh call it a deus ex machina or whatever but like that guy points out above, it's a fun dem. Volthoom said: So you know that rumor that there was gonna be a live action JoJo movie? Yeah it's true, but it won't be adapting Stardust Crusader, it will be adapting DIU, done in several parts, and directed by Takashi Miike. Just google Takashi Miike JoJo. No surprises here since it was announced officially like 2 months ago |
SlowDancerDec 1, 2016 7:02 AM
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| Yeah. I was just musing to myself. Not exactly asking for spoilers. |
| Somehow I thought Hayato wasn’t dead when he was found in the closet at the beginning. I don’t know why. I thought he just couldn’t move or something and they just want us to think he’s dead. A bit surprised that Kira actually killed him once. Again I spoiled myself of Rohan’s part in this ep by reading the manga several weeks ago. I still remember how unbelievable I felt when I saw mini KQ showed up and Rohan got blown up. Araki was never soft on anyone I guess. BTD is awesome & a bit too OP (but it’s natural to give Kira more power considering that he’s gonna 1 vs. N). I’m just wondering how the main characters are gonna deal with it. Still have some questions on the 3rd ability, especially with the time went back thing. On a side note, I think Kira's new hair style in the ASB is better. People call it asspull or shit writing when Kira gained 3rd ability or Jotaro managed to do The World. But I don’t really mind that as long as it’s entertaining & plausible in it's own universe. Besides, it gave the sudden feeling which might be destroyed by too much foreshadowing. Not a fan of the plots that I can predict what will probably happen. And I do love the concept that there're some special cases (KQ & Echoes, etc) differentiating from general rule. Anyway, looking forward to the upcoming eps. |
Orikasa_MomijiDec 2, 2016 6:31 AM
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DrLockdown said: I never read manga, but after this part is over in four weeks I'm going to have to pick up part 5. I NEED JOJO IN MY LIFE! Welcome to the most controversial part~ That being said, Part 5 is my favorite one among JJBA, or at least top 2. I couldn't resist the temptation of reading Part 5 when waiting for DiU eps several months ago. It's been quite a long time since I read through a manga so fast and I couldn't stop it until Part 8. Hope you enjoy at least most of it. |
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Orikasa_Momiji said: DrLockdown said: I never read manga, but after this part is over in four weeks I'm going to have to pick up part 5. I NEED JOJO IN MY LIFE! Welcome to the most controversial part~ That being said, Part 5 is my favorite one among JJBA, or at least top 2. I couldn't resist the temptation of reading Part 5 when waiting for DiU eps several months ago. It's been quite a long time since I read through a manga so fast and I couldn't stop it until Part 8. Hope you enjoy at least most of it. I can see its your favourite with your signature. |
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| T_T Rohan was my favorite character...let's see what happens next. But damn, Kira's new ability is frightening. It's a living and repeating nightmare. |
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| Another great episode, interesting ability |
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