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Sep 30, 2016 7:48 AM
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I don't think you can redeem Judge at all. He's an evil opportunist. Not being able to kill your runt son isn't a sign of secret goodness. He treats his children and everything's else around him as tools. Sanji wasn't useful until now so he literally did not care what happened to him. I think it would be corny if Oda tried to convince us that the man who went as far as proclaiming his son'a death and putting him in an iron mask had a shred of actual love for him.
Oct 1, 2016 11:12 AM

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HalibelTheEspada said:
Ehh, at first I was gonna call bullshit... but I guess I could see this being true, to an extent. Seems odd that he would be the one to say "Never tell anyone you're related to me." only to later turn it around and use it against him. But I guess I've seen a similar situation in my life, so it wouldn't be that farfetched to think that he really just told him that so that no one would target him because of who his father is.

Nonetheless, despite his intentions I don't think what he did before the escape was nearly as humane as death would've been. He let his sons constantly beat him close to death, only to be mended back to normal, and let it happen all over again. Then he turns around and locks him in a deep cell where no one really knows he's there, for 6 months. He did continue to feed him fine meals, but I really don't see where his good will was going with that... because if Reiju didn't save him, his brothers would've eventually murdered him or he would've just sat in that cell for his entire life. I also think he truly is using him as a tool here... so if he is showing tough love, he's still only doing it because it's two birds with one stone.

In it's own insane way though, it's not unlikely... I had a friend who's father used to bash his face through their walls all the time... and when he finally died he acted like he had always been a good father to him, and apologized and they reconciled. So hey, who knows maybe he's got a little bit of fatherly goodness in him. Still don't think it's redeeming though.

If you apologize for disowning and locking your son away or smashing your sons head into walls.. I don't think it makes *everything* okay.
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Oct 1, 2016 8:29 PM

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Judge is still an asshole.
Oct 2, 2016 4:44 AM

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so the father is the only one that still childish here, don't you think?
he banished sanji from vinsmoke when sanji flee, then suddenly claim sanji is still his child. what an asshole.

Sanji's mother are beautiful. just like Reiju. please Oda stop Sanji's suffering, I can't read more than already is. I can't stand reading Sanji being humiliated by his brothers.
Oct 2, 2016 3:38 PM
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Reiju is still a trash sister. Imagine if Luffy and Ace (who aren't even actual siblings) were in the same situation. Ace would've been getting beaten up right with Luffy especially if he had super powers and his brother didn't. Yeah she helped him escape but she didn't have any problem with him being captured again and at this point she's an adult with enough power to probably take down a country by herself the whole "afraid to stand up to my brothers" thing doesn't hold up with me. Every Vinsmoke needs a beating.
Oct 2, 2016 9:16 PM
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With all these battles with Big Mom and Kaidou, I can't help but feel Blackbeard is going to pull a fast one under us by doing something clever and nasty right in the middle of it (just like Impel Down and Whitebeard War)!

He is looking for One Piece, so I presume he's going to do something like that since both Yonkou have the Road Poneglyphs.

For all we know, he may do another underhanded tactic and usurp the two Yonkou when they are at their weakest and steal their powers too!
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Oct 2, 2016 9:25 PM
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The Karma beatdown! I can't wait for it! It's Enies Lobby all over again!

I don't want Sanji (or Luffy) to just "beat" those Vinsmoke! I kinda want something more to their Karma than just a "beat them in battle" after what I'm seeing!
Oct 4, 2016 4:50 AM
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OMG no pls no... SO. SAD.
Oct 4, 2016 5:48 AM

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I hope Sanji has a Laxus (Fairy Tail) moment where he singlehandedly beats his father and his brothers.
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Oct 6, 2016 12:36 PM

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Reiju best girl!!! She really takes after her mother!
I was expecting more about his mother but it was still sweet ;-;
His family doesn't look redeemable aside from Reiju.

Lol Luffy going at it again with his weird tactics.
Oct 10, 2016 5:45 AM

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I dont think the woman in the picture from Jaya is Sanji's mom.

Dem Luffy eating biscuits for 11 hrs, LOL.

4/5
Nov 21, 2016 7:04 AM

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short_review said:
It's easy to see since the start that Judge loves his son and doesn't want him to be killed but at the same time he has to look tough.

If you look at it this way it makes sense. Judge stopped the training of Sanji because he would have died, then he let him escape in the confusion so he could live a normal life somewhere but now that the world government wants him dead because he is a pirate his father uses his power to change the "Dead or alive" for "Alive only" and tries to marry him to a cute girl with a powerful mama so he won't ever have any problem in his life.

Not that his father is especially sentimental, he is a tough warrior, but he is still his father and he cares for his son.


What supriced me was that after Sanji seemed to be normal he didn't just say "Get rid of him then". He went and threw a hissy fit at him for feeding a rat and told him that he has to train hundrets times more so he won't stay behind and be unable to fullfill his role.
So in some aspects he still wants Sanji to succeed even if Sanji was just normal.
When he just couldn't do it he imprisoned him.

He definitely is a shitty individual but he is not completely without care. You have to wonder that if things like "Don't ever mention you are my son" aren't just cruel speech of disappointment alone but actually a care since the Germa probably have plenty of enemies and are feared by others so Sanji saying he was his son would have made people avoid him or want to kill him.
Jan 17, 2017 1:05 PM

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well sanji past though... I was glad that atleast the sister was on his side
May 17, 2018 4:24 PM

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Judge deserves a medal for the worst father ever.
Lol, Luffy is eating all those biscuit warriors.
Sep 21, 2018 8:53 PM

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It's a shame the soldier's aren't made of meat, Luffy would've just gobbled them up much faster.
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Nov 6, 2022 9:25 AM

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On the one hand, there's Sanji's backstory. But on the other hand, there's Luffy eating Cracker's soldiers. Not sure how to feel.




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ah man there is no heartbreak in One Piece like that of the original Straw Hats, and I love it lol. feels like the early chapters again
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Oh man this chapter absolutely devastated me. Especially the part where Reiju breaks down telling him to leave. She just doesn't understand why he'd go through this stuff for Zeff though.

I do have an issue with the Luffy part though? Why did he not run out of energy? Or was he able to drop Gear 4 to start eating the biscuits? I should have known he'd just fucking eat the biscuits.
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The Sanji memories, hard, his brothers were cruel with him!
His sister was the unique light!!!
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