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| Man that first half was super depressing, if I hadn't read it in the manga, I would have definitely cried rumbleanime said: Now Kakerus flashback of his death brings some new stuff here. Because he didn't actually commit suicide right? He saw the drafts and wanted to go to Naho to apologozie and probably confess, and then he had the accident, but it wasn't a suicidal motive. He would have finally confessed, ending the "waiting time". And probably his friends still think that at this moment, not knowing the truth behind his death. In a funny way, when he read the SMS where his mother explained his childhood, I found similarities with Kakeru. Hard childhood, father-mother problems and divorce, mobbing... It kinda hit the nail on the head why during the whole series I had sympathies for his character and why I could "feel" his thoughts and his depression. Now I will see the last episode. Exciting to wait for Kakerus verdict. Interesing, because as Suwa is one of the best characters I have ever seen, I would wish him Naho by his side. But as I can feel Kakeru, his problems, his views, probably also his complexes, I would wish him Naho as well. I think you all know the moment when in a (comedy) romance movie you sympathize with a love contendant who is gonna get the female protagonist, and in most of the case is true. Here, I am really divided with the opinions. Only the fact that Suwa has married already Naho in the future, makes me wanna have Naheru coming together with Naho a little bit more. To the episode related, I loved the part when Kakeru made a self-thought about what would happen if I died, accompanied by the piano. It went deep. |
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| I feel like all these time travel based elements are just trying mind fuck us. What is up with time travel lately? Dammit Barry Allen, look at what you've done to this industry. Everything is becoming a Flashpoint Paradox. Anyways, the feels with Kakeru and his mom was the sole good part of this episode. |
| Don't believe the hype. |
Galaxy__ said: SilverDio said: 90% of the plot devices are stupid. Just watch Re:Zero and his Return by dead or BokuDake and his Revival. Deal with it. the whole show of Re:Zero is wrapped around that concept. and it will most likely have a kinda good explanation which is obviously easier explainable in a fantasy setting. and yes BokuDake is as stupid as orange. we agree. but that doesnt make it acceptable. the whole show is stupid from this point on. naho was freakin annoying anyways. I understand your point but Return by Dead is a dirty plot device simply by the fact that Subaru was brought form another freaking universe just to use it. Why the witch didn't choose someone else? Why bring a hikkomori fron another universe? Why don't you use that awesome power on yourself witch? It will need some heavy DeathNote level of explanation for me to bought it. (That is a nice example of good plot device) |
| Starting to feel bad for Kakeru, but after seeing his mother's POV and his subsequent treatment of Naho, I say 'fuck this shitty brat'. Some people are saying Kakeru has fucked up past and is depressed, but its his own doing and consequences. His lack of communication, introvertedness, opening up to wrong people, blowing up helpful people will never cure/uplift his depressed mindset. Also how the five friends bear to be with him, always gloomy, withdrawn, unresponsive and not having anything particular in common. |
| Oh boy, sending letters to a black hole in the sea, who would've though... |
| kakeru here kakeru there and kakeru don´t want to talk with you naho forget kakeru and go with suwa suwa is the best i will say it till die i don´t feel kakeru is good enought he is close to himself let it be....forget that naho that effort that naho makes is too big he don´t deserves that so summarizing: kakeru go die!!! amen |
Sunakko-ch4nSep 18, 2016 4:02 PM
| Kakeru's perspective through the original timeline is really sad. His Mom really cared for him & those text messages broke him. Poor Naho trying so hard to apologize, but Kakeru is keeping his distance. One more ep to go. Hopefully they can save Kakeru. |
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| That was something... ;-; the feel train, and another next week and we're at the last episode, Fuck i might need to bring tissues next week it was tense, specially when he found his moms phone... 5/5 |
| cause MAL is doing there job for once. |
| I thought that in this episode Kakeru would forgive Naho and everything would be good again... So one more episode... I hope for a good ending! That ED :/ So sad and so much feels. |
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| Lol, its such a shame that you need to get your heart broken to change and come out of your shell. But unfortunately, it's too late. If only you would follow the letter's instructions |
| I'm kind of disappointed how the anime left some things out while explaining Kakeru's POV. Even just a few more sentences of explaining could have made us understand him better. Kakeru hurt all the people he loved. He hurt is mother, his grandma, even Naho. Consequently, he thinks he's going to hurt the whole entire group next so he absolutely regrets even meeting them at all. |
| This episode was basically a slap in the face to everyone who hated on Kakeru last week...including myself. That's fucking rough when he found that note in his mothers phone. Basically a suicide note. Though he still was in Dick mode at the end of the episode lol. |
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| Okay I really feel for Kakeru but seriously must he be a complete a**hole to her every single time she says something... like damn cut her a break |
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| Much better episode from last week. Kakeru's perspective from the original timeline was pretty sad though I personally wish that he could have some determination to fix his problems and live. I'm pretty sure Kakeru's mom would not have wanted her own son to commit suicide and to just live a fun, happy life. There were still some animation derps around the episode, but at this point whatever haha. I kinda wish they didn't explain how the letters went back through time because black holes? Really? And I hope Naho's resolve to save Kakeru will actually mean something this time. Overall, a good episode. Gonna have to wait for next week. |
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| I didn't really like Kakeru, even in the manga, but I absoolutely loved chapter which told story from his perspective. It showed how depression works quite well and was totally believable. Anime adapted it okay, it haven't made such an impact on me, but I liked it anyway. Even animation didn't suck that much this week - though to be fair, sound mixing felt even more terrible than usually, sigh. About black holes and Bermuda triangle, yup guys, this is really happening xD It was utterly stupid in manga as well. Probably the worst explanation I've ever heard. I don't think this should even count for "sci-fi", if anything, this is some magic shit at best. |
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| Music was on point. Art quality back up for the most part. Giving us Kakeru's perspective really shows why he's hurting as bad as he is. This was a really nice episode. ...That is until they started talking about the mechanics of sending letters back in time. I really wish they hadn't. We don't need to know that for the story to work. Tying to give it some sort of explanation just makes it sound stupid. There's no explanation that wouldn't be stupid. |
fluffy_maus said: Writer's 101: If you cannot come up with a satisfactory explanation for a plot device... just fucking leave it alone! Or attribute it to mahou. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Also, for a moment I thought that after reading his mom's final message, he realized how dumb a suicide would be, that he wanted to cycle to Naho and apologize... and that the crash was an accident after all - which would've been a hilarious twist. Same, and for the the second part I thought that was exactly what was happening, and I felt like it would have made everything even worse, but heh. Was still feelsy af. |
| waah...this show.. catching up i noticed man all we ever talk about is Kakeru and how much they all do for him but seeing him after this episode i'm kinda like understand you had tough life but fuck you man never liked him from the start but i did feel bad for him. and this blackhole stuff is real dumb would of been fine oddly enough if they just never touched on how the letters got to them |
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| Future Hagita would be good at Cinema Sins. |
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| No opening song so they can have more screen time, huh. Well, we do learn a lot of things about Kakeru and the past. Good episode overall. One more left until the conclusion. Can't wait for next week to see how they adapt the final chapter. |
| Shit, this was a hard episode to sit through. Not only did they animate basically the entirety of the story from the perspective of the Kakeru who actually died, but they also showed just how he was feeling during that timeline. First up I don't agree with people slagging on him for acting the way he did. He was abused as a child by a father he barely remembered, and his mother divorced him without ever consulting him about it. Sure he was young when it happened, and probably wouldn't have understood it, but as he grew older his mother still did not explain her actions to him, leaving him lost and confused as anyone in his situation would be. The bullying from outsiders and his mother's inexplicable constant changing of their residence and schools led him to feeling as if he did not belong anywhere (it's a common feeling, I can definitely relate). Then, on the one occasion that he decides to do something of his own desire (to stay with his new-found friends instead of taking his mother to the hospital(?)), disaster strikes and he loses the very pillar that had been keeping his life together. So he falls into depression, and begins to distance himself from his new friends. If I recall, in the original timeline, none of them were as observant or accommodating as right now (otherwise none of them would be having the many regrets that they have 10 years on), and no one actually picked up on his act of everything being okay or the fact that his mother was already dead. He believes he has no right to a happy life, to the extent that he questions his own right to live, and rejects Naho's approaches to him, knowing that Suwa has feelings for her and believing that Suwa would make her happier than he ever could (inferiority complex at it's finest). In the original timeline, I don't think that he was actually all that close with any of them before he died. So in the end he takes his own life on the assumption that his new friends weren't all that close to him and wouldn't be affected by his passing anyway, and that his departure would be nothing more than a speck of dust in the wind that no one would notice. Ashamed to say, I can honestly relate to his feelings and his way of thinking, because I'd been down in such a dark place at one point in me own life, and at times can still view the world in a darker shade of grey. Being manically depressed isn't something that one can snap out of by sheer willpower, and going through all those tragedies that he has doesn't help one bit. That said, I have to call bullshit on the mechanism for sending letters. Throwing letters into a black hole in the middle of the ocean/sea/Bermuda triangle is pretty unbelievable in itself, but once I get into the logistics of things, it makes even less sense. So the letters are sent through a black hole in the middle of an international body of water and miraculously end up in the post office IN JAPAN?!?! I thought they'd have come up with a more clever way of sending the letters, but to say that I'm disappointed in the reveal is a blatant understatement. I'll watch till the end, because I'm pretty much invested in the show now, but the black hole mechanism just took away a lot of my enjoyment for the series. |
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| So they show us what happened to the Kakeru who died and what the current Naho has to avoid. Kakeru's mother used to do stuff on her own with Kakeru in mind, but she never stopped to ask Kakeru how he feels about her actions. And this made Kakeru think that she's a pain in the butt, which led him to make the decision of not going to his mother to the hospital despite promising. He begins to feel guilty about it and tries not to cause anyone else any trouble from now on which is why he doesn't tell anyone about his mother's death because he doesn't want anyone to become even less happy because of him. After they fight, Suwa confesses to Naho. Kakeru tries to get back to normal with Naho but Naho is the one who doesn't act normally and avoids Kakeru a bit. And during valentine's day Kakeru finds his mother's phone and reads the message she wrote but didn't send for whatever reason. And she apologizes in that message for doing things on her own without even letting Kakeru know the reason. And this leads to Kakeru starting to consider dying even more and he goes out and coincidentally meets a speeding truck and doesn't take evasive action because he started to believe that no one would miss him if he dies and nothing would change. The gang would go back to being five friends like they were before he came and everything would go back to normal. But that doesn't happen as the gang starts to blame themselves for what happened to Kakeru and they all regret those decisions they made which possibly led Kakeru to this point. Great to see Naho finally taking action. She goes up to Kakeru to apologize and tries to talk with him. But Kakeru is still keeping a bit of a distance from her. He probably hasn't gotten over what happened at the new year's eve event. And this is probably because of the future changing. The Kakeru who died tried to do what Naho is doing now but the roles have changed over here. Naho tells Kakeru to wait till valentine's day which means that she's telling him to wait for her chocolates. Her friends should really be concerned because this is a big event which leads to Kakeru's death. They shouldn't brush it off as nothing and say that Kakeru will bounce back. He may not be able to bounce at all if things go on like this. And they tried to explain the time travel stuff in a weird way. Do they even know what black holes are? And they wrote letters and sent them off at sea to reach the Bermuda Triangle and then the letters magically appeared in everyone's respective houses. I would have preferred if they hadn't tried to explain this. The part where the teacher was explaining if time travel is possible and what will happen to the future and stuff was enough. An explanation of how they sent the letters wasn't really necessary. I like how Hagita was the relatively sensible guy at the time thinking that all this crap of time travel is impossible but then he ends up sending himself a letter anyway lol. And next episode we'll be getting the Valentine's day climax. Naho will bring chocolates and give them to Kakeru, provided that guy doesn't go off trying to kill himself. Naho probably gave Suwa those chocolates at that time because Suwa stole her heart before Kakeru could do it. Naho did say that Suwa confessing to her made her happy so it is possible. |
| I think the last part of Kakeru was the best episode. I swear I cry when I read the last message from his mother. Send letters through a black hole was very random. I was expecting something more scientific. I can not add anything else. A chapter for the resolution and I am afraid that Kakeru also have a letter yet. |
| I am Argentine, so is not very good my English, sorry for the many typing errors. |
| I cried like baby during Kakeru's perspective,I really understand him and feel for him I am glad he accepted her apology THE QUEEN OF BEING DENSE AND STUPID didn't screw up this episode,well that's something new. The part about them delivering the letter via Bermuda Triangle seems intriguing but it also makes me think they will die while at it. Hopefully we have a happy ending |
Ryuganezco said: I think the last part of Kakeru was the best episode. I swear I cry when I read the last message from his mother. Send letters through a black hole was very random. I was expecting something more scientific. I can not add anything else. A chapter for the resolution and I am afraid that Kakeru also have a letter yet. How could he have a letter,ghosts do not sent letters |
| We all want to save Kakeru ;_; I will always remember this OST, it's beautiful! |
| I felt like that was more of a "it's our last hope we don't care if anything doesn't happens" type of thing, that said, I prefer if they didn't explain it. |
kalim432 said: Ryuganezco said: I think the last part of Kakeru was the best episode. I swear I cry when I read the last message from his mother. Send letters through a black hole was very random. I was expecting something more scientific. I can not add anything else. A chapter for the resolution and I am afraid that Kakeru also have a letter yet. How could he have a letter,ghosts do not sent letters In the future mention of that Kakeru followed this with them rhetorically. themselves may send one to Kakeru, whatever. If we use logic to send letters to the past, we can also make a ghost send them. |
| I am Argentine, so is not very good my English, sorry for the many typing errors. |
| still cheering Naho and Suwa.... Still hoping for them to be together |
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| it was nice seeing everything from Kakeru's perspective in the original timeline. His mom's messages were truly heartbreaking. I hope that this time Naho and her friends will manage to save Kakeru. |
| It's annoying to watch, but I get where Kakeru is coming from. I'm surprised that since the last couple of eps JP viewers have been really hard on Kakeru telling him to get over himself, instead of being mad at Naho's lack of tact. It's like depression isn't treated as a legit illness. :/ BTW next week's finale will be 1 hour according to TV schedules. |
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If its true thats great. i havent read the manga but just with whats happening, i can see that they cant wrap it up with 1 normal episode. |
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Galaxy__ said: Sadly The Black Hole shit is Canon ive read the manga and the anime adapted it exactly like it was in the mangais this black hole dumb shit actually canon ? pls someone tell me its not. what a complete stupid plot device. |
| Stellar first half. What the fuck second half. Bruh, it's okay if you didn't explain how the letters came to the past. It doesn't matter. It shouldn't matter. Way to ruin a good episode, last few minutes. |
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komasan said: BTW next week's finale will be 1 hour according to TV schedules. really?? can't wait for next episode... nice info, thanks!! the first half is really good... really like Kakeru's story... the second half... not really at least they tell us how they send the letter to the past. But still, it ruined the story... |
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| Well, Chapter 21 was the climax of the entire series for many people, what with the Kakeru POV flashback and all. The cellphone scene in particular hit me super hard in the manga. ...But they just had to rush it. I've been waiting all season to see that chapter adapted and they took out the bulk of Kakeru's monologues thus lessening the impact. They also should have given it its own episode, because having Naho be stupid again and showing the Bermuda Triangle nonsense in the second half was 20000x less effective as a follow up contrary to having Kakeru kill himself in the old timeline as the ending scene. But whatever, it was still a solid episode and the Kakeru flashback probably still did its job in simplest terms, I just don't get what's so hard about adapting a chapter properly when the dialogue and panel drawing are literally right there for you. Despite the rushed adaptation, the great music score still keeps it at a 4/5. |
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| Seriously!? Kakeru you need to get over yourself, don't say things like "It's fine" or "it's my fault" if you don't believe it... Naho loves you and you're just rejecting her... I bet she will fall for someone else (MVP Suwa) and then he will come running back and then she ends up going out with Kakeru in the end... (did I just spoil Ao Haru Ride? lol) |
| WOW, they shared all of those cute moments together and now the guy just starts completely ignoring her over a little fall off? KAKERU IS SUCH AN AMAZING PERSON THAT I TOTALLY DO NOT WANT TO SEE DIE or anything. |
| The sending letters into the ocean and hoping they find a black hole is pretty improbable. but don't forget that this is a show running on parallel timeline rules. every probability is it's own timeline. So really the entire series just represents the one massively improbable circumstance where their letters actually made it to the past. In a way it's entirely a what if story. Everything else was gold star melodrama. YUM. |
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| Though I feel that Naho got what she deserved for saying something stupid eventhough she knew she had it coming, she's trying really hard to make up. Kakeru is such a dumb jerk...not talking to her even after she cried in class >.> that would have been the best time to make up. |
maggiejay said: actuallyyyy, its going right on pace, dont worry :DSo teary and taken by the emotion of the first half.. then the rest was a head scratcher. Black hole. Bermuda Triangle. Let's a go. I've got a bag feeling the final episode will feel a tad rushed :( |
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| This series was pretty much centered around Kakeru, so I guess it's common sense to have an episode from his perspective, it was quite sad tho... Hagita wearing a skirt?! This dude is something else. Sending letters through Bermuda Triangle?! What a wild theory. |
| The whole black hole thing is stupid, but anyway it's not like we were expecting something realistic when the premises were that Naho received a letter from the future, right? I've been getting bad vibes from this anime for weeks but I have to say Kakeru's mother's message made me teary ;__; I have a soft spot for moms ;________; |
| The message of Takeru's mother was nice. His actions afterwards were kinda unreasonable though. Like... He finally "is allowed" to live his life while having fun and then he just decides to not give a fuck and gets hit by a car? Well w/e. At least we got to see what actually happened. Everything that happened after that part of the episode was boring. The Bermuda Triangle stuff was weird as fuck. Takeru's reaction after the break (in the "current" time) was stupid. And the group was pretty fucking useless if you ask me. All the time they try to force them into his life and now they just give up when Takeru blocks them? More precisely -> stops Naho from talking to him more than just a few sentences. I really hope they have a conclusion coming up next episode but this episode did not convince me. Which is a bit annoying because I actually enjoyed the anime so far(with a few exceptions. A few scenes were just even weirder than the stuff that happened this ep). |
| damn the blackhole Atlantic ocean thing wasn't really explained pretty well. Finally got to see Kakeru's pov of what he's been going through. |
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