Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Episode 16 Discussion

Shrimperor said:

True. Tbh, the arguing is even fun sometimes, but when it turns personal and people start calling each other Idiots and stuff, it just gets ugly.


Np np :D
Well, here is a 300+ Rem Album i got from Reddit
http://imgur.com/a/jBrIW

Tony_SansNom said:


We need more tbh. There are litteraly thousands of fan arts of Rem.

Jski said:


But dose he know NOTHING about tech from his old world?! Has this person even gone to school at any level? I am thinking Subaru is some how handicapped.

NitroKageAki said:
he will lose all his muscle memories if he get reseted.

Drakkle said:


Do YOU? You're so full of shit if you say you could make gun powder or even a simple copper battery if you were in the same situation, with no internet to look up ingredients or tutorials.

0celot said:

It's not called muscle memory because the memories are stored in the muscles themselves.

It's called muscle memory because it's a memory stored in the brain that relates to controlling muscle movements.

As Subaru can keep his memories when he RBD's, he should be able to benefit from practice.

NitroKageAki said:

Oh, I see, sorry for the term used wrong.

Yeah, although I agree he might retain his experience if he abuse his RBD to practice swordmanship, his hardware spec (namely his body) would not catch up to his experience since his body spec aka muscles obtained from all the training will be reset as well and his time limit is only 3 days. And I don't think his mind will last long enough to reach at least Wilheim tier if he abuses his RBD "Endlless Three" style...

NubSmoo said:
Finally caught up, was an interesting episode, anyone know when the next one comes? I thought the series was over already haha

RinFTW said:


It was hinted that Subaru body is actually strong by normal standards (ep1) maybe he could turn into a decent fighter if he can learn some techniques, or he can take the magic approach since all he needs for that is knowledge (maybe some mana capacity training). There is alot of other possibilities if we assumed that Return by death is without consequences which I doubt since each time he dies the witch scent grow stronger. There gotta be a price to that.

Drakkle said:


Do YOU? You're so full of shit if you say you could make gun powder or even a simple copper battery if you were in the same situation, with no internet to look up ingredients or tutorials.

Jski said:


Yes and you do not need to know step by step tutorials to do a lot of things you test them out your self and you fail and try over. If any thing Subaru is able to die and come back he can do the type of testing that once in a life time for a lot of ppl.

I mean we are human we do not come with a list of things we know and do not know we also do not get every thing we know from book school etc.. we get a lot of things from working things out. That is what lost from this anime he not realy working things out he simply avoiding the death and forgetting every thing from that last thing he did. He not human or at lest not acting like one. Even in "when they cry" the MC worked out tricks and did understand how to make things better and that anime was nearly a murder porn.

NubSmoo said:
Finally caught up, was an interesting episode, anyone know when the next one comes? I thought the series was over already haha

beast_regards said:

It is not, is it?

Show didn't show me much so far except the fact they added more and more gore to prove how "mature" it is. My personal bet is that Subaru needs to die at least 3 more times before plot advances itself, most likely in exceedingly painful and brutal way.

Kaetokiha said:


Bullshit. 98% of all people wouldn't be able to make a bomb or just some powder. Those who invented things in the past were mostly guys devoting their lifes to study and learn things. Subaru is just an average nerd, he doesn't know anything special.

What kind of test would you do by dying and reviving again? Poison tests? He can't even tell others about his ability...which is not even HIS ability and more like something that was gave for him to use.

While he could certainly try different things, you seem to think every people have the same knowledge and can do tech things from scratch of thin ar.

I wouldn't be able to do shit, like the others 98% i said.

Jski said:


Well ya poison works if you realy want to go that way. This is the groundhog day effect where Bill Murray keeps repeating the same day over and over where he works out a lot of things and finds out every thing he can about the town etc..
Subaru has the power of a God he should be able to do any thing in time. So even if he just understand at the lowest level of how something works he could work out tech from his old world that would greatly advantage him in his new.
If any one human had that type of power of reset they would rule the world even if that person is a "NEET."

Kattsun said:


The thing is he doesn't control his checkpoints and it's not HIS power, it's probably from the Witch (since when he comes back he stinks even harder and there's that black hand). The RBD is a last resort in a situation where you're already fucked (dead) and is gambling for a better thing. I completely get what you're saying, but it's different from Groundhog Day.

Bananaoranges said:


It's just a spoon dude, chill out. It's not like it's something influential on the series. The murderous gaze was enough.

MrAM said:
Ah, now this here was a great episode. I liked last episode well enough, but at times its "SUFFERING" felt excessive and somewhat indulgent. I do appreciate it more in hindsight, since seeing the hell Subaru just experienced helps contextualize his short-sighted recklessness and idiocy in this episode. Still, I think I prefer Re: Zero when it's in world-building and subtle character development mode, and this here had that in spades.

After the epic last shot of Subaru in the last episode, people were expecting a suddenly super-competent MC who would show his enemies whose boss, but instead we get the same guy with no concrete strategy tossed around by people who are far more politically savvy than himself. I love it, partly because of how it defies audience expectations, but mostly because it just makes the most sense. Subaru can become as angry as he wants, as revenge-driven as he likes, but the world doesn't revolve around him and isn't suddenly going to bend to his will, something he learns all too harshly here. I once again must commend this show for allowing such an unlikable character to occupy the MC slot for so long. I've been of the opinion that character likability is overrated for a while now, so this works fine for me. Subaru is still a compelling protagonist, and that's all that matter to me.

I loved the direction of the first few minutes, where we are deliberately not allowed to see Subaru's face in its entirety, his eyes hidden from view despite being the last thing the audience saw in the previous episode. That adds to the impact when we finally see the murderous glint in his eyes when he explodes in rage, and even then Subaru's face is hidden in shadows, accentuating the unsettling look in his eyes. Screaming at the person whom he is begging for help is self-evidently unsound negotiating, but Subaru isn't thinking of that, he's thinking of the hell he witnessed last episode. It's perfectly understandable, if not frustrating to watch. I've said this before, but seeing Subaru's ugly side in such vivid detail humanizes him a great deal, because we have also seen the best of him before and know he can be better.

Not that I think the narrative is particularly sympathetic to Subaru here, even after all of his suffering. It's been a while since I've seen a narrative this critical of its protagonist, because it seems pretty clear that the three candidates' criticisms of Subaru are meant to be taken as valid and not just antagonistic nonsense. Subaru himself only confirms their low opinion of him through his actions, words, and thoughts, over and over again. It's striking just how little the torture last episode changed Subaru. He's still the same guy suffering from the same crippling character flaws highlighted in episodes 12 and 13, just with some madness and a drive for vengeance sprinkled in to exacerbate them and further blind him to his own weaknesses. Subaru's main problem this episode is his inability to step outside of himself and of his narrow view of the world. He's often selfish, thinking of others strictly in terms of how they relate to his own desires and his own problems. That feeds into his honestly entitled nature, where he EXPECTS others to return what he sees as favors, what he sees as his own heroism. This ties into his problematic relationship with Emilia, where he idolized her and placed her on a pedestal while also convincing himself that no one is more loyal to her, than no one is more dedicated to her, and that no one is more capable of standing besides her than himself. That attitude eventually exploded in his face in episode 13, where it became clear that Subaru didn't actually SEE Emilia; he only saw the goddess he felt obligated to "save," whether she liked it or not, and worse, he believed he deserved to be thanked for his chivalry, even when it ignored the will of the person whom he claimed to love the most. Subaru probably should have realized his folly after what happened to the village, but all he really took away from that experience was that the Witch Cult needed to die, which I honestly can't blame him for. It's a perfectly understandable response.

What that means, though, is that the same character flaws that led to the fallout between Subaru and Emilia are still present. Subaru is still framing the entire situation here in terms of how it affects his feelings, in terms of how it relates to his own goals, without seriously considering the POV of others. After Priscilla humiliates him, he seethes in rage as he tells himself that she's forgotten he saved her life the first time they met. There's that entitled attitude again, but it's hard to judge Subaru too harshly simply because of how human a response it feels. It's short-sighted and symptomatic of the selfishness at the core of Subaru's character, but again, it's a feeling easy to understand. But again and again, Subaru's utter inability to consider other people's desires in his negotiations, instead of simply fixating on his own, drives the criticism of his character home. Highlighting this personality defect through Subaru's negotiations was clever, too, because it gave the writer a chance to deliver some good world-building and character development for the candidates while still commenting on Subaru's problems. This whole arc so far feels like a sustained attack on the White Knight syndrome, and I'm looking forward to how it resolves itself.

Subaru shows some hints of improvements toward's the end of the episode. He finally shifts his goal from killing the Witch Cultists to saving his friends, and finds a viable method of doing it by taking the advice he's been given and actually successfully negotiating with others. When he first gets the idea of buying oil in exchange for transportation, he initially addresses Otto by saying "I need to to talk," before changing that to "[I want to] ask for YOUR help." Subaru reframed his request so that it isn't about him ("I") but instead about Otto ("your"). This immediately makes the following conversation about Otto, not Subaru, which is how a negotiation should work. So yay progress.

Next episode, Subaru's encounter with Re: Zero's Moby Dick...

Diwo said:


What is the point of the story from your opinion?

_Hans_ said:
@MyPen Im actually curious too homie, as to your point of view of Re:zero as a whole and the point of the story.

MrAM said:
Ah, now this here was a great episode. I liked last episode well enough, but at times its "SUFFERING" felt excessive and somewhat indulgent. I do appreciate it more in hindsight, since seeing the hell Subaru just experienced helps contextualize his short-sighted recklessness and idiocy in this episode. Still, I think I prefer Re: Zero when it's in world-building and subtle character development mode, and this here had that in spades.

After the epic last shot of Subaru in the last episode, people were expecting a suddenly super-competent MC who would show his enemies whose boss, but instead we get the same guy with no concrete strategy tossed around by people who are far more politically savvy than himself. I love it, partly because of how it defies audience expectations, but mostly because it just makes the most sense. Subaru can become as angry as he wants, as revenge-driven as he likes, but the world doesn't revolve around him and isn't suddenly going to bend to his will, something he learns all too harshly here. I once again must commend this show for allowing such an unlikable character to occupy the MC slot for so long. I've been of the opinion that character likability is overrated for a while now, so this works fine for me. Subaru is still a compelling protagonist, and that's all that matter to me.

I loved the direction of the first few minutes, where we are deliberately not allowed to see Subaru's face in its entirety, his eyes hidden from view despite being the last thing the audience saw in the previous episode. That adds to the impact when we finally see the murderous glint in his eyes when he explodes in rage, and even then Subaru's face is hidden in shadows, accentuating the unsettling look in his eyes. Screaming at the person whom he is begging for help is self-evidently unsound negotiating, but Subaru isn't thinking of that, he's thinking of the hell he witnessed last episode. It's perfectly understandable, if not frustrating to watch. I've said this before, but seeing Subaru's ugly side in such vivid detail humanizes him a great deal, because we have also seen the best of him before and know he can be better.

Not that I think the narrative is particularly sympathetic to Subaru here, even after all of his suffering. It's been a while since I've seen a narrative this critical of its protagonist, because it seems pretty clear that the three candidates' criticisms of Subaru are meant to be taken as valid and not just antagonistic nonsense. Subaru himself only confirms their low opinion of him through his actions, words, and thoughts, over and over again. It's striking just how little the torture last episode changed Subaru. He's still the same guy suffering from the same crippling character flaws highlighted in episodes 12 and 13, just with some madness and a drive for vengeance sprinkled in to exacerbate them and further blind him to his own weaknesses. Subaru's main problem this episode is his inability to step outside of himself and of his narrow view of the world. He's often selfish, thinking of others strictly in terms of how they relate to his own desires and his own problems. That feeds into his honestly entitled nature, where he EXPECTS others to return what he sees as favors, what he sees as his own heroism. This ties into his problematic relationship with Emilia, where he idolized her and placed her on a pedestal while also convincing himself that no one is more loyal to her, than no one is more dedicated to her, and that no one is more capable of standing besides her than himself. That attitude eventually exploded in his face in episode 13, where it became clear that Subaru didn't actually SEE Emilia; he only saw the goddess he felt obligated to "save," whether she liked it or not, and worse, he believed he deserved to be thanked for his chivalry, even when it ignored the will of the person whom he claimed to love the most. Subaru probably should have realized his folly after what happened to the village, but all he really took away from that experience was that the Witch Cult needed to die, which I honestly can't blame him for. It's a perfectly understandable response.

What that means, though, is that the same character flaws that led to the fallout between Subaru and Emilia are still present. Subaru is still framing the entire situation here in terms of how it affects his feelings, in terms of how it relates to his own goals, without seriously considering the POV of others. After Priscilla humiliates him, he seethes in rage as he tells himself that she's forgotten he saved her life the first time they met. There's that entitled attitude again, but it's hard to judge Subaru too harshly simply because of how human a response it feels. It's short-sighted and symptomatic of the selfishness at the core of Subaru's character, but again, it's a feeling easy to understand. But again and again, Subaru's utter inability to consider other people's desires in his negotiations, instead of simply fixating on his own, drives the criticism of his character home. Highlighting this personality defect through Subaru's negotiations was clever, too, because it gave the writer a chance to deliver some good world-building and character development for the candidates while still commenting on Subaru's problems. This whole arc so far feels like a sustained attack on the White Knight syndrome, and I'm looking forward to how it resolves itself.

Subaru shows some hints of improvements toward's the end of the episode. He finally shifts his goal from killing the Witch Cultists to saving his friends, and finds a viable method of doing it by taking the advice he's been given and actually successfully negotiating with others. When he first gets the idea of buying oil in exchange for transportation, he initially addresses Otto by saying "I need to to talk," before changing that to "[I want to] ask for YOUR help." Subaru reframed his request so that it isn't about him ("I") but instead about Otto ("your"). This immediately makes the following conversation about Otto, not Subaru, which is how a negotiation should work. So yay progress.

Next episode, Subaru's encounter with Re: Zero's Moby Dick...

Jski said:


Well ya poison works if you realy want to go that way. This is the groundhog day effect where Bill Murray keeps repeating the same day over and over where he works out a lot of things and finds out every thing he can about the town etc..
Subaru has the power of a God he should be able to do any thing in time. So even if he just understand at the lowest level of how something works he could work out tech from his old world that would greatly advantage him in his new.
If any one human had that type of power of reset they would rule the world even if that person is a "NEET."

Ikkakun said:
Seeing everyone dead this arc, instead of forcing action out of him makes him pretend to be brain dead for a whole life. Betelgeuse was on point with calling him out on that.

fishpun said:
*peeks in* i too was wondering if anyone could tell me which novel volume the anime is up to at the moment? and where it's likely to cut off? (inb4 "google it": i just want to avoid any possible spoilers ;v; sorry)

i'm excited that the lns are being translated - as much as i enjoy manga, i've wanted to see what the hoopla was regarding lns for a long while, so i'll be buying those rather than the manga this time around! ...but if the anime is already on like volume 7 or something crazy like that, i'll just buy the dvd instead qwq

i'll probably buy the dvds anyway for that sweet, sweet uncensored violence heh

Gensan said:
@Shrimperor
his action in this episode only make sense if we delete his character in first arc.

but shrimpy kun, just think that arc 1 and 2 didn't exist and we can enjoy(?) this.

Verali said:
Sorry, but this episode was complete garbage. Finally thought that he was gonna recover from the last episode and do something, aaaaaaand, nop, now he's become an even whinier little bit#h than before.

This anime has hands down, one of the most annoying and cringy male leads in history. I'm starting to think that the author of the manga is some freak that likes to see him suffer and squeal like a pig and that's where he gets his pleasure from.

If the next episode is just as trash, there's no doubt in my mind that this will be yet another Akame ga Kill mess...I can't even.

zaidk said:
Subaru has borken...can he be fixed?
I think when a human break he can't be fixed with only some events or some information.
But this is anime, I'm sure the ending of this anime will turn subaru back to being a good reasonable human.

I read tokyo ghoul and pandora hearts.
In tokyo ghoul the MC just gets broken and fixed like every two chapters which is stupid because humans can't be fixed easily.
In pandora hearts the antagonist gets broken but he hides this fact and puts a mask, which is brilliant because this is how humans work

I Think the story will get more interesting if subaru does hide his trauma and acts fine in front of everyone (which happened in arc 2 but only in 1 episode)

Tony_SansNom said:

What do you mean by agame ga kill mess?

And did you not see what this episode is all about? Did you even watch it? Or is it maybe that you are not mature enough to understand it...

Verali said:


I'm sorry, but I'm not into torture porn to "understand it" because that's all this episode was.