Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Jul 4, 2016 11:30 AM
#551
Noumu said: AmejiHunter said: She saved him So have other characters which (unlike Emilia) even risked their lives to do so. What Emilia did for him pales in comparison to what some of the other characters did, she just happend to be the first nice person he ran into (which is nothing that justifies the level of obsession he displays towards her). AmejiHunter said: offered him a place to stay No, she didn't. Him staying at Roswaal's mansion has nothing to do with Emilia being generous, it's part of Roswaal's "I grant you one wish for saving Emilia's insignia". Pretty funny how you ignored 90% of my message lel. What I meant by ''she saved him'' is ''she offered him a hand when he was alone and left in an unknown world where he didn't know anyone nor what to do''. Plus his otaku mind made him think he was the hero of some sort of visual novel and he identified her as best grill because she's good looking and is pretty nice. He developed obsession towards her because of that. ''offered him a place to stay'', she kinda did. She could've left him at the city but she decided to bring him to the mansion. Although I could agree it was mostly Roswaal there. You still ignored 90% of my comment. She DID heal him. She DID become his first friend, she was nice with him, she hasn't really ignored him and he came to be able to trust someone. Plus he was pretty lonely in his other life from what we know. Someone that feels extremely lonely, that didn't really have relationships before and is in a near-depression state can easily become THAT obsessed with someone just because they're being friendly with him. It happens in reality. I've seen it. Not as obsessed as Subaru, but that's because anime. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:31 AM
#552
the ending ughhh i can't wait for the next episode now and the new opening song was dope |
Jul 4, 2016 11:32 AM
#553
Cmterio said: QWERTYFish25 said: ColdBreeze said: QWERTYFish25 said: But he didn't. He saw some corpses in the houses and he didn't really care about them. He is/was delusional at that point till he got blood on his hands or had physical contact. I think that counts as broken or at least he is not sane anymore.I mean, I'm not saying he is or isn't, whatever "mentally broken" qualifies as to the audience or the author. But as far as I could tell he seems to be reacting somewhat normal. I mean who wouldn't be terrified seeing a pile of bodies every so often or coming back after being killed? Not everyone bursts into cries when they see the deceased. He's seen dead bodies before and probably has grown a bit numb to it. It got to him when he was covered in their blood and facing a pile of charred bodies. I don't know if that's a indication of being "mentally broken." Maybe they skipped over the initial reaction so they could build up to the part where he saw the "real" kicker; the pile of charred bodies, which interestingly is where the edgelord track kicks in. i'm a policeman in Brazil, a country seen by violence. Most of the people who see a slaughter here or any contact with murder has some psychological illness even in my country with high rates of murder. Most of the policeman have some change in his personality when they see something like that, remember they are trained. 90% of the world people cant see a slaughter. taking in mind reality of course. But, I mean is it really illness or some form of adaptation? |
Jul 4, 2016 11:33 AM
#554
Fai said: Sometimes791 said: What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, that makes at least the discussions surrounding his developments "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] Okay...Why the fuck is this not in the show? I guess it is "writing got shit in the anime" option then. That, I don't know. I have to agree it's far more interesting in the manga apparently, but I wouldn't say the writing really got shit in the anime. Obviously they should have included scenes like that in it, and I don't know the motive behind them removing it, but that doesn't mean it's shit writing. You can't say it's shit writing if it has a WAAAYYYYY better story than most of the anime out there. It can be bad/not so good writing but definitely not shit writing. School Days is shit writing. Big Order is shit writing. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:36 AM
#555
AmejiHunter said: Fai said: Sometimes791 said: What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, that makes at least the discussions surrounding his developments "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] Okay...Why the fuck is this not in the show? I guess it is "writing got shit in the anime" option then. That, I don't know. I have to agree it's far more interesting in the manga apparently, but I wouldn't say the writing really got shit in the anime. Obviously they should have included scenes like that in it, and I don't know the motive behind them removing it, but that doesn't mean it's shit writing. You can't say it's shit writing if it has a WAAAYYYYY better story than most of the anime out there. It can be bad/not so good writing but definitely not shit writing. School Days is shit writing. Big Order is shit writing. They just make it subtle in the anime. And Fai is idiotic at this point. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:38 AM
#556
Fai said: Sometimes791 said: What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, that makes at least the discussions surrounding his developments "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] Okay...Why the fuck is this not in the show? I guess it is "writing got shit in the anime" option then. A lot of scenes have to be cut out. If you haven't read the pages for the selections speeches yet (which I've sent you in the 12th episode), then you will see a lot of cut content. The problem is that the source material is very detailed and if they adapted every scene, we would still be in the 2nd arc. People would be very discontent with that however. This is why the series drops small hints between the lines and requires the viewer to have common sense to add the cut scenes in the head. Here from the speeches, if you want to read them as well: |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:38 AM
#557
Mayuka said: AmejiHunter said: Well obviously, if you're watching drama anime there's a high chance an important character will die. Except the point in Re:Zero is not ''Will he die'' but ''When/How/Why will he die and what will he have to change to reach the happy ending''. Although that's the words I manage to find to explain my thoughts, I believe it's way deeper than that, but I am not able to correctly express it into words. Not really drama, but a show that's about real life (not some magic harem school bullshit), it's likely for anyone to die randomly. I'm not taking back my words; Rezero lacks suspense and thrill because the protagonist is guaranteed another chance whenever he fucks up. Now, it's just dragging along and feels very redundant. Or maybe it's because I'm watching it weekly and losing interest (I bingewatched the first 10 or so episodes). I've seen other shows that pull off the "Go back in time to fix the problems" much better like Orange, Steins;Gate or Erased. Believe me. You're wrong. Very wrong. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:38 AM
#558
Sometimes791 said: yes i know what you are talking about im readong the manga tooProrewiel said: Sometimes791 said: @AmejiHunter And another very different scene is the slaughter in the town. In the manga it's depicted like that: They can't show it in the anime like that. There is also another page after the next one with a lot of violence, but I won't post it here. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:38 AM
#559
ColdBreeze said: I hope you're right because I've been nothing but bored since episode 9.Mayuka said: You would be surprised then.I'm not taking back my words; Rezero lacks suspense and thrill because the protagonist is guaranteed another chance whenever he fucks up. Tony_SansNom said: LOLBelieve me. You're wrong. Very wrong. Okay, LN reader. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:38 AM
#560
Sometimes791 said: They can't show it in the anime like that. There is also another page after the next one with a lot of violence, but I won't post it here. Anime will look much worse if you read the manga. I didn't read this one, but I've read Gate and ended up simply skipping large portion of the anime because it lost its charm. It also cut out large number of gore scenes, if not all of them, but that's beyond the point. Simply knowing where everything goes isn't for the best |
Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:39 AM
#561
ParadoxicalNocte said: " Fappa said: "I'm surprised that some people don't see how Subaru not grasping the situation he is in nor learning from last episode is a sign for his mental illness. He is literally mentally broken right now which results in this lost sense of reality. He has become fanatic in his idea of reality, his idea of truth that he rejects everyone who tries to deny that truth. On the one side the words of Emilia resonate in his head and keep bringing him down to reality but on the other side Subaru lives in denial towards the truth. This clearly show us that this whole obsession with Emilia is no mere quirk in his personality no it actually has reached a scale where you can call it a mental illness. He rejects anything that goes against his own truth and even the people themselves. He interprets others' attempts at trying to keep him safe as shortsighted or that they think nothing of him. And not only that, he justifies it all by reasons that no one else will ever trust. No one can believe in that or even cares enough about Emilia to be her ally. Note how every person who tried to talk against his own beliefs got majorly rejected by him. Reinhard…Kadomon ( Apple merchant ), Crusch & Ferris and at last Rem. Personally I love that development or rather the negative development as this is how humans are sometimes, especially in a mentally unstable condition. They become stubborn and don’t give up on their belief until they have to pay a prize for it. Of course this is taken to an extreme level in anime but it replicates a natural development. You can actually see how he starts to develop some kind of escapism when he walks through the village. Subaru opens the door the first time how there is a corpse sitting in the chair but Subaru just stares at it and closes the door. The second door he opens bumps against a corpse. You can hear the foot steps walking through blood. In these very first seconds Subaru lives in denial to what actually has happened here. He started to develop some sort of escapism but got knocked out of it once he physically interacted with one of the corpses and perceived the horror around him completely. Fappa. I don't want you to misunderstand this for any prejudicial cherry picking but as you have compared & evaluated a real world epidemic. With decades of long & subjectively diverse etymology and literature - To a pseudo reality with spontaneous yet emotionally intelligent characteristics, features & most importantly 'adaptations'. There is a few points that may (or may not) perhaps be educational to your aforementioned comments that seem to be contradicting your claims and not treating the anime with the respect, you have mentioned to enjoy, overall. So based on my understanding, in regards to your mediocre accusations, I must also express my discernment towards vague & irrational contributions towards your comments & overall review that lacks conceptual & inconceivable consensus. Sadly In my most humble opinion, that it must be treated as something that goes beyond the norm and realm of mere opinions or reviews. Would you consider my implications to be credible that judges you from one comment? Should I now conclude that you suffer from or present symptoms that closely resemble Narcissistic Personality Disorder? Or would you prefer an irresponsible 'diagnosis' & an on-going treatment plan for Borderline Personality Disorder? But I could also, just accept that it's just your way of thinking & just treat this as a mistake stemming from the lack of understanding, on a prevalent stigmatic & despairingly stereotypical - buzz-word; namely 'mental illness'. Of course, not forgetting that the classifications are exclusive to the person involved. We all inevitably have our own retrospective biases. It's fine, I mean we could condition or rewire our thoughts and regulate our emotions through mere respiration of two well known gases, simple right? Or oppositely we can just find our self in a situation with no experience or knowledge on how to handle or respond to the given situation/s. That's the whole beauty of the mysterious & unpredictable way of life. However I believe even with perspective & speculation, there must be certain limitations & sensitivity, especially when judging a situation with no understanding or clue of a character that has a sudden appearance in an unknown world. That convenient point is most of our starting point? One must consider, especially within this context of the authors innovative imagination & creative writing before such a conclusive review. This novel/manga creates such opportunities for unique emotional empathy & cognition. With such diversely complex variations it is a laughable to be able to Identify - Classify the generalised notion of 'mental health', in which you have pointed out numerous times. Try to acknowledge these points, that may enhance your approach to criticality & future judgements. Before reflecting on fictional characters, try reflecting on your own incompetencies. If this is possible, then at least try to use the fictional comparisons, to your own past and present responses to situations? Mental Illness as a whole is a very problematic & fragile aspect of our life, we constantly shift between thoughts and emotions, responding to different situations, that in most cases are completely opposites. Try to be more sensitive and enjoy an anime, with more conceptually relative comments. You have to understand that words are tools we use to communicate. It is fine to give any word any meaning you want to, as long as we define what you mean and how you are using the said word before starting the conversation. If I and you start debating about, for example, god it will make absolutely no difference, nor will it have any impact on the conversation if we simply replace the word "god" with the word "rabbit". It is absolutely fine, as long as we both agree that when saying "rabbit" we actually mean "god". Off course, any bystander would probably think of us as buffoons, since he doesn't have any knowledge of our agreement. With this analogy what I want to say is that this whole conversation you people had most likely has no meaning at all since chances are your usage of the phrase "mental illness" differs from Fappa's. There most likely is no debate happening, with the only difference between you and Fappa, iRels being the understanding of the phrase "mental illness" I hope that with my comment I have made the situation better, Please keep in mind that I am not a native speaker of the English language. criticism of my vocabulary/grammar skills is more than welcome, as long as it is not meant to be an insult. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:46 AM
#562
Sometimes791 said: A lot of scenes have to be cut out. If you haven't read the pages for the selections speeches yet (which I've sent you in the 12th episode), then you will see a lot of cut content. The problem is that the source material is very detailed and if they adapted every scene, we would still be in the 2nd arc. People would be very discontent with that however. This is why the series drops small hints between the lines and requires the viewer to have common sense to add the cut scenes in the head. Then they chose adapting wrong things. I could deal with Subaru's rant at emilia or his pathetic duel being cut half in length(hell they should have been cut in half considering they just became annoying and made people hate the character) if it meant that scene was included and the show actually bothered to address Subaru's behavior, instead of making him look like an entirely different character and a worse one at that. Hell, half my complaints are about the show not adressing Subaru's mental state if that is at fault for his behavior. And you know what? Scenes like that address the freaking mental state. Scenes like that are the difference between viewing a character as entitled selfish MRA activist mr nice guy psycho and genuinely damaged person. AmejiHunter said: That, I don't know. I have to agree it's far more interesting in the manga apparently, but I wouldn't say the writing really got shit in the anime. Obviously they should have included scenes like that in it, and I don't know the motive behind them removing it, but that doesn't mean it's shit writing. You can't say it's shit writing if it has a WAAAYYYYY better story than most of the anime out there. It can be bad/not so good writing but definitely not shit writing. School Days is shit writing. Big Order is shit writing. There are different degrees of bad. Just because things can be worse, does not make it any better. |
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Jul 4, 2016 11:47 AM
#563
Fai said: Sometimes791 said: Fai said: Sometimes791 said: What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, that makes at least the discussions surrounding his developments "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] Okay...Why the fuck is this not in the show? I guess it is "writing got shit in the anime" option then. A lot of scenes have to be cut out. If you haven't read the pages for the selections speeches yet (which I've sent you in the 12th episode), then you will see a lot of cut content. The problem is that the source material is very detailed and if they adapted every scene, we would still be in the 2nd arc. People would be very discontent with that however. This is why the series drops small hints between the lines and requires the viewer to have common sense to add the cut scenes in the head. Here from the speeches, if you want to read them as well: Then they chose adapting wrong things. I could deal with Subaru's rant at emilia being cut half in length if it meant that scene was included and the show actually bothered to address Subaru's behavior. AmejiHunter said: Fai said: Sometimes791 said: What's funny is the fact that the manga is more straightforward about Subaru in episode 12. Well, that makes at least the discussions surrounding his developments "interesting". [Don't use this for the argumentation for the anime though.] Okay...Why the fuck is this not in the show? I guess it is "writing got shit in the anime" option then. That, I don't know. I have to agree it's far more interesting in the manga apparently, but I wouldn't say the writing really got shit in the anime. Obviously they should have included scenes like that in it, and I don't know the motive behind them removing it, but that doesn't mean it's shit writing. You can't say it's shit writing if it has a WAAAYYYYY better story than most of the anime out there. It can be bad/not so good writing but definitely not shit writing. School Days is shit writing. Big Order is shit writing. There are different degrees of bad. Just because things can be worse, does not make it any better. I'm not saying it makes it better. I'm saying if something is considered shit writing, I doubt something that is clearly of a much higher level can really be considered the same thing. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:49 AM
#564
AmejiHunter said: You still ignored 90% of my comment. And why shouldn't I, there is no point in arguing about something I don't disagree with and whether or not she healed him is irrelevant for the parts I quoted. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:50 AM
#565
Noumu said: AmejiHunter said: You still ignored 90% of my comment. And why shouldn't I, there is no point in arguing about something I don't disagree with and whether or not she healed him is irrelevant for the parts I quoted. I just meant, if you consider 90% of my comment to be right, don't you think that makes me more right than wrong? |
Jul 4, 2016 11:51 AM
#566
Except for the fact that we never once saw a sign of him 'backtracking'. He just did. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:53 AM
#567
Seriously I vomit again when I watch the OP and vomit again when I saw this face He just doesn't learn at all, despite of Reinhard and Julius effort to help him, his relationship obsessive with Emilia is creepy btw, poor Rem, she deserve much better. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:53 AM
#568
And if someone is interested in the original speeches from the candidates, here they are: |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:54 AM
#569
I'd like to see Subaru accidentally fuck up his checkpoint game, "saving" after someone else's meaningful death or similar catastrophic event. Either his mind would completely break, or mature and learn humility. It is a bit annoying that he doesn't really try to polish any of his useful skills. So far he has realized that rolling mitigates damage and peeling potatoes sucks. |
uh oh! |
Jul 4, 2016 11:56 AM
#570
Sometimes791 said: And if someone is interested in the original speeches from the candidates, here they are: I just read really quick, since I plan on readin the manga and don't wanna read the same thing twice, you know. I understand why they haven't put all that in the anime, since it's pretty long, but I still wish they did, at least put a little bit more. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:59 AM
#571
If Re:Zero received as many episodes as long-running shounen, then such details could be shown. Nevertheless, they still do a great job in showing the key scenes. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Jul 4, 2016 11:59 AM
#572
mertsi said: I'd like to see Subaru accidentally fuck up his checkpoint game, "saving" after someone else's meaningful death or similar catastrophic event. Either his mind would completely break, or mature and learn humility. It is a bit annoying that he doesn't really try to polish any of his useful skills. So far he has realized that rolling mitigates damage and peeling potatoes sucks. I'm pretty sure that will happen tbh, obviously he won't always be able to fix everything. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:01 PM
#573
Sometimes791 said: If Re:Zero received as many episodes as long-running shounen, then such details could be shown. Nevertheless, they still do a great job in showing the key scenes. So would most of the anime tbh. I hope this'll get a season 2. It's sad how pretty much every anime now only lasts 12/13 episodes. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:03 PM
#574
AmejiHunter said: Sometimes791 said: If Re:Zero received as many episodes as long-running shounen, then such details could be shown. Nevertheless, they still do a great job in showing the key scenes. So would most of the anime tbh. I hope this'll get a season 2. It's sad how pretty much every anime now only lasts 12/13 episodes. White Fox made quite an effort in dropping hints for the fourth and fifth arc. They have the foundation. What's left is the success in Japan and the announcement for a second season. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:04 PM
#575
Sometimes791 said: AmejiHunter said: Sometimes791 said: If Re:Zero received as many episodes as long-running shounen, then such details could be shown. Nevertheless, they still do a great job in showing the key scenes. So would most of the anime tbh. I hope this'll get a season 2. It's sad how pretty much every anime now only lasts 12/13 episodes. White Fox made quite an effort in dropping hints for the fourth and fifth arc. They have the foundation. What's left is the success in Japan and the announcement for a second season. I believe it's pretty popular anyways. So there's chances for a season 2, I guess. Which is pretty nice. If this gets another 24 episodes, it would be pretty great. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:15 PM
#576
He hasn't died in a while. What about that girl that was protecting him? |
Jul 4, 2016 12:18 PM
#578
Sometimes791 said: And if someone is interested in the original speeches from the candidates, here they are: Very interesting. Funny thing is that after reading that, I feel like Anastasia would be the most suitable ruler (aside from Emilia). Pricilia is just as bad as I expected her to be. :V |
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Jul 4, 2016 12:23 PM
#579
FononZero said: Very interesting. Funny thing is that after reading that, I feel like Anastasia would be the most suitable ruler (aside from Emilia). Pricilia is just as bad as I expected her to be. :V For me it's Crusch because she wants fight for independence and wants to free the kingdom from the dragon. I expect the contract to have a high price, so no contract at all would benefit them more and make them more autonomous. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:30 PM
#580
Sometimes791 said: FononZero said: Very interesting. Funny thing is that after reading that, I feel like Anastasia would be the most suitable ruler (aside from Emilia). Pricilia is just as bad as I expected her to be. :V For me it's Crusch because she wants fight for independence and wants to free the kingdom from the dragon. I expect the contract to have a high price, so no contract at all would benefit them more and make them more autonomous. I do like Crusch too. Though I do wonder what exactly happens if the contract is nullified. |
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Jul 4, 2016 12:32 PM
#581
FononZero said: Sometimes791 said: FononZero said: Very interesting. Funny thing is that after reading that, I feel like Anastasia would be the most suitable ruler (aside from Emilia). Pricilia is just as bad as I expected her to be. :V For me it's Crusch because she wants fight for independence and wants to free the kingdom from the dragon. I expect the contract to have a high price, so no contract at all would benefit them more and make them more autonomous. I do like Crusch too. Though I do wonder what exactly happens if the contract is nullified. The country crumbles, a civil war starts and millions of people are slaughtered. That's my hope at least. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:34 PM
#582
FononZero said: Sometimes791 said: And if someone is interested in the original speeches from the candidates, here they are: Very interesting. Funny thing is that after reading that, I feel like Anastasia would be the most suitable ruler (aside from Emilia). Pricilia is just as bad as I expected her to be. :V For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" |
Jul 4, 2016 12:39 PM
#583
Fai said: FononZero said: Sometimes791 said: And if someone is interested in the original speeches from the candidates, here they are: Very interesting. Funny thing is that after reading that, I feel like Anastasia would be the most suitable ruler (aside from Emilia). Pricilia is just as bad as I expected her to be. :V For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" Well, Emilia IS naive. She isn't, from what we saw, really suited to be the winner, according to me that is. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:39 PM
#584
I'm going to commit a grave taboo and ask this of someone familiar with the source material: Is Rem truly gone for good? As much as I'd like to agonize over this, for potentially weeks before arriving at an answer, my poor little heart just can't take it. I can accept the finality of her death even though it breaks my heart, but agonizing over a what if here is worse. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:40 PM
#585
Mayuka said: I'm not taking back my words; Rezero lacks suspense and thrill because the protagonist is guaranteed another chance whenever he fucks up. Now, it's just dragging along and feels very redundant. Or maybe it's because I'm watching it weekly and losing interest (I bingewatched the first 10 or so episodes). I've seen other shows that pull off the "Go back in time to fix the problems" much better like Orange, Steins;Gate or Erased. I know almost nothing of Orange, but I agree that Steins Gate and Erased are much better than Re:zero in terms of mystery, suspense and "Go back in time to fix the problems". As a WL reader, I say Re:zero is mediocre at best as regards to those aspects. For example, the conclusion of the mystery of arc 2 - who spelled the curse on Subaru, and why? - is underwhelming: "So, it was the puppy shaped ma-beast which spelled a curse on him? That's all ??? Meh..." But I see why Re:zero appeals so strongly for some audience and has hard-core fans. The novel (and the anime) puts a good deal of emphasis on conveying 'emotionally touching, shocking and turbulent impact combined with human dramatic elements' - such as Subaru's firm determination to save a maid despite that she brutally tortured and killed him, his heroic attempt of saving the kids in danger and vivid descriptions of highly violent and brutal pains and deaths the MC suffers to the extent that it is sometimes close to being a borderline torture porn and so on -. It's not that those aspects is not found in other loop anime - i.e., Steins gate or Erased - , but that they are given way more emphasis in Re:Zero. And Re:Zero's approach obviously works for many, though I'm one of those who find the novel/anime just mildly entertaining, no more no less. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:42 PM
#586
QWERTYFish25 said: Cmterio said: QWERTYFish25 said: ColdBreeze said: QWERTYFish25 said: But he didn't. He saw some corpses in the houses and he didn't really care about them. He is/was delusional at that point till he got blood on his hands or had physical contact. I think that counts as broken or at least he is not sane anymore.I mean, I'm not saying he is or isn't, whatever "mentally broken" qualifies as to the audience or the author. But as far as I could tell he seems to be reacting somewhat normal. I mean who wouldn't be terrified seeing a pile of bodies every so often or coming back after being killed? Not everyone bursts into cries when they see the deceased. He's seen dead bodies before and probably has grown a bit numb to it. It got to him when he was covered in their blood and facing a pile of charred bodies. I don't know if that's a indication of being "mentally broken." Maybe they skipped over the initial reaction so they could build up to the part where he saw the "real" kicker; the pile of charred bodies, which interestingly is where the edgelord track kicks in. i'm a policeman in Brazil, a country seen by violence. Most of the people who see a slaughter here or any contact with murder has some psychological illness even in my country with high rates of murder. Most of the policeman have some change in his personality when they see something like that, remember they are trained. 90% of the world people cant see a slaughter. taking in mind reality of course. But, I mean is it really illness or some form of adaptation? It depends, i wanst falling into madness of course, but i had some psychologists to help my treatment, family and friend to help, Subaru has nothing. U can adapt by yourself but is hard do it alone. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:43 PM
#587
Fai said: For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" And then her speech in the anime means basically this: "I don't want racism in our country." |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:44 PM
#588
smoct_ai said: Mayuka said: I'm not taking back my words; Rezero lacks suspense and thrill because the protagonist is guaranteed another chance whenever he fucks up. Now, it's just dragging along and feels very redundant. Or maybe it's because I'm watching it weekly and losing interest (I bingewatched the first 10 or so episodes). I've seen other shows that pull off the "Go back in time to fix the problems" much better like Orange, Steins;Gate or Erased. I know almost nothing of Orange, but I agree that Steins Gate and Erased are much better than Re:zero in terms of mystery, suspense and "Go back in time to fix the problems". As a WL reader, I say Re:zero is mediocre at best as regards to those aspects. For example, the conclusion of the mystery of arc 2 - who spelled the curse on Subaru, and why? - is underwhelming: "So, it was the puppy shaped ma-beast which spelled a curse on him? That's all ??? Meh..." But I see why Re:zero appeals so strongly for some audience and has hard-core fans. The novel (and the anime) puts a good deal of emphasis on conveying 'emotionally touching, shocking and turbulent impact combined with human dramatic elements' - such as Subaru's firm determination to save a maid despite that she brutally tortured and killed him, his heroic attempt of saving the kids in danger and vivid descriptions of highly violent and brutal pains and deaths the MC suffers to the extent that it is sometimes close to being a borderline torture porn and so on -. It's not that those aspects is not found in other loop anime - i.e., Steins gate or Erased - , but that they are given way more emphasis in Re:Zero. And Re:Zero's approach obviously works for many, though I'm one of those who find the novel/anime just mildly entertaining, no more no less. ...What does WN mean? I know LN is Light Novel, but WN..? |
Jul 4, 2016 12:46 PM
#589
Sometimes791 said: Fai said: For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" And then her speech in the anime means basically this: "I don't want racism in our country." Oh well, maybe she's not that naive then, nevermind what I said. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:47 PM
#590
AmejiHunter said: ...What does WN mean? I know LN is Light Novel, but WN..? Web Novel. It's basically just an (often rougher) story put onto the internet by the author. Generally frequently updated. They sometimes get adapted into higher forms. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:48 PM
#591
AmejiHunter said: Well, Emilia IS naive. She isn't, from what we saw, really suited to be the winner, according to me that is. I am still hoping its just a facade and she is actually Satella, because if not then holy shit she is boring. Sometimes791 said: Fai said: For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" And then her speech in the anime means basically this: "I don't want racism in our country." Okay wtf. how is it anything near the same like the show presented it? Still boring and nice do goody nonsense but at least sensible one. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:48 PM
#592
Web Novel. Basically authors publish their works on the web before publishing companies contract with them. The webnovel is so much more advanced than the current LN. Sometimes791 said: Fai said: For me it went from "Wow the show is really wanting us to love waifu emilia's communism by literally having her go against 3 trumps and a Putin" to "wow they all actually have nice and logical differing ideas and its Emilia who sounds like naive idealistic loony" And then her speech in the anime means basically this: "I don't want racism in our country." That's a big difference indeed. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:50 PM
#593
Tony_SansNom said: Web Novel. Basically authors publish their works on the web before publishing companies contract with them. The webnovel is so much more advanced than the current LN. Oh, thanks. I might check it out, then. |
Jul 4, 2016 12:53 PM
#594
AmejiHunter said: Tony_SansNom said: Web Novel. Basically authors publish their works on the web before publishing companies contract with them. The webnovel is so much more advanced than the current LN. Oh, thanks. I might check it out, then. Yeah; but is in japanese/very few things are translated by fans. The webnovel is much longer in terms of wordcounts (Light Novel cuts it down a little because paper format). Web novel is not considered canon, light novel is. So, some few things might change when the LN reach arc 4/5/6/whatever... |
Jul 4, 2016 12:54 PM
#595
smoct_ai said: Mayuka said: I'm not taking back my words; Rezero lacks suspense and thrill because the protagonist is guaranteed another chance whenever he fucks up. Now, it's just dragging along and feels very redundant. Or maybe it's because I'm watching it weekly and losing interest (I bingewatched the first 10 or so episodes). I've seen other shows that pull off the "Go back in time to fix the problems" much better like Orange, Steins;Gate or Erased. I know almost nothing of Orange, but I agree that Steins Gate and Erased are much better than Re:zero in terms of mystery, suspense and "Go back in time to fix the problems". As a WL reader, I say Re:zero is mediocre at best as regards to those aspects. For example, the conclusion of the mystery of arc 2 - who spelled the curse on Subaru, and why? - is underwhelming: "So, it was the puppy shaped ma-beast which spelled a curse on him? That's all ??? Meh..." You make no sense. It was not supposed to be more complicated than that. Subaru wouldn't be able to solve it, if it were. And it served as a way for Rem to change her view of Subaru. What happened wasn't big. It was a simple sabotage. And it was already addressed before. You're bringing up old stuff. Attempting to criticize it. Not wanting to admit that it's your lack of understanding that makes you think it was bad. In Steins;Gate, Okabe is aided by many colleagues. Subaru is on his own, for the most part. And in ERASED... Lol. It lasted 12 episodes. The mystery there was the main one. In Re:Zero, the main mystery seems to be about Satella. Not about a simple attack at a village. smoct_ai said: But I see why Re:zero appeals so strongly for some audience and has hard-core fans. The novel (and the anime) puts a good deal of emphasis on conveying 'emotionally touching, shocking and turbulent impact combined with human dramatic elements' - such as Subaru's firm determination to save a maid despite that she brutally tortured and killed him, She didn't do so unreasonably. Subaru wouldn't blame her, knowing it. It'd be a shame for him if he did. smoct_ai said: his heroic attempt of saving the kids in danger and vivid descriptions of highly violent and brutal pains and deaths the MC suffers to the extent that it is sometimes close to being a borderline torture porn and so on -. It's not that those aspects is not found in other loop anime - Steins gate or Erased, but that they are given way more emphasis in Re:Zero. And Re:Zero's approach obviously works for many, though I'm one of those who find the novel/anime just mildly entertaining, no more no less. [/size] Yeah, as you understand the source less. |
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Jul 4, 2016 1:00 PM
#596
I absolutely hate that they spent the first two story arcs making us love the main character and now Subaru is just a petty, angsty, stubborn thirteen year old who is extremely unlikable. I don't understand the point. I hope the show redeems itself as it goes on. But, since the start of the third arc the show has just been a massive disappointment for me. |
Jul 4, 2016 1:01 PM
#597
thrilllex said: I absolutely hate that they spent the first two story arcs making us love the main character and now Subaru is just a petty, angsty, stubborn thirteen year old who is extremely unlikable. I don't understand the point. I hope the show redeems itself as it goes on. But, since the start of the third arc the show has just been a massive disappointment for me. He became like that because of overconfidence and superiority complex. He's human. You can't say no one would react like that if they were in his place. |
Jul 4, 2016 1:02 PM
#598
Fai said: how is it anything near the same like the show presented it? That's why I didn't like the episode as much as the other ones. Her part was probably the most important one in showing her ambitions and that Subaru interrupted the speeches for bigger reasons. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Jul 4, 2016 1:06 PM
#599
AmejiHunter said: thrilllex said: I absolutely hate that they spent the first two story arcs making us love the main character and now Subaru is just a petty, angsty, stubborn thirteen year old who is extremely unlikable. I don't understand the point. I hope the show redeems itself as it goes on. But, since the start of the third arc the show has just been a massive disappointment for me. He became like that because of overconfidence and superiority complex. He's human. You can't say no one would react like that if they were in his place. lol idk, that doesn't really change the fact that he's become super unlikable and inconsiderate to everybody other than himself. and the change was too instantaneous. It makes no sense to me that his entire personality would completely turn 180 in one episode. I mean I get the point is to make the viewer uncomfortable with the change in Subaru but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I'm just upset since through the first two arcs, episode after episode I would tell myself this is amazing, the best anime I've watched in a long time, but from the third arc onwards I just haven't been enjoying myself at all :S |
Jul 4, 2016 1:07 PM
#600
Web Novel. Some popular Light novels (Konosuba, Re:zero, Overlord, Log horizon etc...) had been published by amateur novelists on some novel publishing web sites before they were released in a paper back version LN. Among Japanese novel publishing sites for amateur (LN) novelists, Shōsetsuka ni Narō is the most well known, the biggest one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dsetsuka_ni_Nar%C5%8D |
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