Hunter x Hunter Chapter 357 Discussion

SetsukoHara said:
Terrible chapter, so many characters acting OOC:

-Where were the other members of the trope, remember their reactions when Kurapica kidnapped Chroll, and the great lengths they went to in order to find that nen eraser, but suddendly only three of them care enough to watch this death fight that could be have been his last?

- Why would Shalnark and Kortopi team up if none of them can use their hatsu. I thought the members of the trope were supposed to care about each other.

- Why does Hisoka want to kill the rest of the trope, I thought he wanted to fight strong opponents, so why does he want to beat a weaker Chrollo?

- If Hisoka plans on killing all the trope like his "10 more to go" suggests, why the fuck didn't he kill Machi?

elevenletters said:
I just got off the phone with my friend who is a close friend of Togashi and he just dropped the biggest bombshell. You guys don't even know what's in store for us in the upcoming chapters.

1. Hisoka will have a nuclear bomb implanted in his body, which will be used as a last resort to kill Chrollo.
2. Hisoka will die again.
3. Hisoka has a cousin who can grant wishes.
4. Under Hisoka's request his cousin will reincarnate Hisoka into a Chimera Ant.

Here's an exclusive sneak peek:

misunomo said:
Why can't people just chill. This is a manga so spare the illogical science here :D

Strawberrycake48 said:
...though I'm prolly in the happy minority

iopyt said:
So much phantom troup lovers here. It was one of the best Hunter x hunter chapter i've ever read. 5/5, Hisoka forever <3

Honcho_D said:


I believe it's the majority that's happy though. every HxH poll I've seen concerning chapter 357 (including this one) has way higher 5/5 than 1/5 ratings. You've probably been seeing many critic comments cos it's usually the readers who are pained who voice out their complaints the most. Readers who are satisfied don't need to say much really.

Random_Article said:
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HxH_Wiki said:
Sometimes death can reinforce an ability's strength. If someone dies holding a deep grudge, their Nen will remain and seek out the object of hatred

KFranc said:
Stealing Zombie Hisoka's nen is the best way to kill him. Chrollo is still a good bet.

One said:

And my last question was that why was Hisoka seeking vengeance right after being revived?

Dangerr said:

He's not seeking vengeance per se. He wants a rematch with Chrollo, and to do that, he's taking the most direct method to make that happen. To him, this is nothing personal - just the most efficient (and perhaps only) method to get what he wants.

blackjew said:
It seems there are some misunderstandings.

First, it wasn't a vow like Gon's.

It wasn't granted to him; Hisoka did die, but died with a great wish to live. So on the brink of death he prays to his bungee gum to become stronger through death and massage his heart and lungs. He just had that strong wish and gave that command to his nen. But that was just a huge bet if his wish weren't great enough, or he wasn't in a condition to get revived through heart massage he would still be dead.

It's totally conforming with the way nen stronger through death works in the series, that's why he didn't got any drawbacks. He was just smart to use his own nen to revive himself.

ichii_1 said:
Togashi used the fortune telling for the current situation XD

Shalnark > dropped phone and didn't answer, killed by god of death Hisoka :'(
Shizuku will die, either by Hisoka or by the papu in the dark continent.
Hisoka killing another 3 members?

elevenletters said:
I just got off the phone with my friend who is a close friend of Togashi and he just dropped the biggest bombshell. You guys don't even know what's in store for us in the upcoming chapters.

1. Hisoka will have a nuclear bomb implanted in his body, which will be used as a last resort to kill Chrollo.
2. Hisoka will die again.
3. Hisoka has a cousin who can grant wishes.
4. Under Hisoka's request his cousin will reincarnate Hisoka into a Chimera Ant.

Here's an exclusive sneak peek:

Dangerr said:

I'm not even one of the complainers, but good fiction has an internal logical consistency that should be followed to some degree. In that regard, I can understand why some people would be upset over perceived inconsistencies.

What's driving me nuts is how many people with poor reading comprehension/memory are criticizing concepts that have actually been well-established. I'll accept the criticism that this development may have been "cheap", though I disagree. Plotting and issues of contrivance seem the most valid to me, but not the actual rules of nen being violated, or characters acting OOC.

dark-chaos said:
and here we go first big shocking moment arrived

and by the amount of arguments caused by this chapter we can say togashi perfectly success

we still have another 2 big shocking moment ^_^

Mr_Shnb said:

How do you know that there's 2 big shocking moments coming?

dark-chaos said:


before the arc start Togashi's editor hyped up HxH fans by saying top 3 shocking moments in HxH history will happen soon

dont_tau said:
Hisoka just like god Enel, back to life by his ability ... nen and devil fruit. ah memories.

Mikasa said:

Give Togashi some credit, what's happened here is way more complex than what Enel had done

Isterio said:


True this was actually a ripoff of what Doflamingo did. Thanks for pointing that out.
Gotta give Togashi credit he steals from the best!

Ireva said:


Lmao, one could argue Doflamingo is just a manlier version of Jolyne from pt. 6 JoJo.

Not trying to say Togashi doesn't take "inspiration" from his fellow mangaka - it's particularly obvious for JoJo readers - but please learn the difference between stealing and two authors coming up with an idea that isn't particularly original or far-fetched.

Mikasa said:

Oda has a rep for not having any original ideas. Togashi's quite the opposite, he's an idea machine, revolutionizing many concepts while inventing new ones. So much so that older mangas are inspired by the newer HxH

Isterio said:

Conceptual both situations are the same and it´s up to the reader himself, where he decides to draw the line and call bullshit although it was established from the getgo that the established world includes magic and situations can be solved via magical plot device.

Isterio said:
Meaning HxH is as distant from realism as is Fairy Tail and objectively it could only revere itself in having a lower quantity of asspulls. Though if it was a depiction of realism there shouldn´t be any asspulls to begin with.

One said:
He's most likely not being controlled by his Nen. His after-death's Nen's purpose was only to make his heart and lungs beat using the hand.

Dangerr said:

So you're saying that because the reader couldn't keep up with the rules and logic of the world established, that they're entitled to call "bullshit" on something they didn't like? Magical plot device? There's series out there with far more complicated systems of magic that still must follow the rules they have established; just because you incorporate supernatural elements doesn't mean you can discard the fundamentals of good storytelling. All I'm saying is that Togashi hasn't broken that rule with Hisoka - the precedent is all there, and takes no major leaps of logic to see how he did it. I can only understand disappointment if someone was legitimately expecting the match to end with an enduring death, though I personally believe that there's a good deal more you could do with these characters.

Also:

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion. HxH is not that loosey-goosey with the system it
has established, and "realism" is not synonymous with logic, which I think is the word that you were looking for. Either way, neither have anything to do with what an "asspull" or deus ex machina is; there's plenty examples of fiction that use this storytelling device but still try to present themselves as logical or realistic. I think the only obvious thing that qualifies as an "asspull" in this series is the power of Nanika/Alluka. We still got a great little story out of it, however, and Togashi seems to be incorporating that element into the DC plotline.