DrGeroCreation said: Then what you are doing here on MAL? MAL focuses on eastern animation, so why are you even here if you hate it?DarkAngel1221 said: Generally in adult animated sitcoms and DC animated movies you don't see kids sexualized.They do have kids in them but generally not over sexualized like anime Because western anime are for kids? Duh? For kids.... I forgot you like childish stuffs. ^^ Uhg... quote is broken. |
DarkAngel1221 said: You know... I don't even know what these eastern Anime haters are doing here on MAL, where focuses on eastern ones. Unless they're just really bunch of hypocrites looking for someone to argue with since it's their way of living. LOL They really are a bunch of trolls and hypocrites, as far as I can tell. In particular, when you hear somebody on these forums saying "chinese cartoons" - he/she is being a hypocrite. Orevataf said: It basically comes from two things. Ignorance as well as a desire to not lose cool points. Because they do not know anime, they have a very stereotypical view of it as manchild-pandering, weird things for uncool, weird, nerdy people. They do not wish to be associated with this image and are therefore quick to deny any interest or involvement. In other words, for lack of a better term, normal fags, boring pussies. In my view, liking western cartoons loses more cool points. Whether it's "My Little Pony", a show for little girls about some talking animals beating everyone with the power of friendship (see nakama power haters on these forums for details), or South Park, which feels the need to say how adult it is by constantly swearing (swearing is like martial arts - you don't use it until it's really needed). DrGeroCreation said: DarkAngel1221 said: They do have kids in them but generally not over sexualized like what you can come across in animeLOL people who say lolicons are only the perverts, only those with Ecchi tags have those. Wait... doesn't cartoons also have kids on them? Well, I think all of cartoon does... So are you saying that those who prefer cartoons likes lolis? xD Bad example. Kuroko is a hormone-riddled teenager, not a child. |
| @Flannan Didn't say it was an anime only thing and I don't see what that has to do with elitism. So people are probably just tired of it. . A game world doesn't have to be an rpg world. Dishboard is definitely a game world since games are part of daily life there. . It is he is trapped within the world and experiences it like the real world. . I've heard that Grimgar is a more realistic take on the game world trope so the characters aren't overpowered like Kirito. |
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DarkAngel1221 said: Why do you even notice that? I don't even see those things, unless you likes to watch Ecchi... Man, what a pervert you're even looking at the panties. =P There's a panty shot of 11 year old Shiro complete with full outline of vagina within the first minute of NGNL. |
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DarkAngel1221 said: TO LIST AND TALK ABOUT THE ANIME I WATCH. I don't hate anime but I don't think it's the greatest thing created by God and constantly bash all other shows. I like both anime and western cartoons. Why should I only like anime?DrGeroCreation said: Then what you are doing here on MAL? MAL focuses on eastern animation, so why are you even here if you hate it? Generally in adult animated sitcoms and DC animated movies you don't see kids sexualized. She looks like an 11 year old at most. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Just go back and watch your power puff girls, don't waste your time on MAL where "eastern anime fans" gathers. DarkAngel1221 said: TO LIST AND TALK ABOUT THE ANIME I WATCH. I don't hate anime but I don't think it's the greatest thing created by God and constantly bash all other shows. I like both anime and western cartoons. Why should I only like anime? Then what you are doing here on MAL? MAL focuses on eastern animation, so why are you even here if you hate it? She looks like an 11 year old at most. Bobby2Hands said: I'll repeat. Just go back and watch your power puff girls, don't waste your time on MAL where "eastern anime fans" gathers.DarkAngel1221 said: Why do you even notice that? I don't even see those things, unless you likes to watch Ecchi... Man, what a pervert you're even looking at the panties. =P There's a panty shot of 11 year old Shiro complete with full outline of vagina within the first minute of NGNL. |
| It is no problem to hate anime and like cartoons at the same time. Both are animations, but they have different styles. My sister don't like anime, but like cartoons and it is respectable. Everyone has they're they're likes. |
| @DarkAngel1221 is it that hard to understand that people might be into more than just anime? |
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| Whatever people say, eastern Anime have better stories than western which is for children. So adults who are overly attached to western Anime just really likes childish stuffs since they can't seem to grow. xD @Bobby2Hands then why are you bashing Anime if you're into it? Man, you just ate everything you've said then, since you only notice perverted parts, then you're just really a pervert. =P |
DarkAngel1221Mar 16, 2016 6:44 AM
| you heard it from people from england ? or outside your homeland too ? and btw, that is the first time i've heard it. Western is for children and Anime is for adult maybe ? well some of anime are for kids too... but overall anime is for teenager or adult. like hell i will tell my kids to watch Fate Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya or watch Prison School or Shimoneta. i mean, i like that kind of stuff but for kids....NOPE! wait until they understand..... because just one misstep and they will try to do it in real life. |
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Bobby2Hands said: Apparently it is. This guy is the exact definition of the anime bigotry I thought was just a myth. The slightest bit of valid criticism or factual statement leads to total dismissal and rejection through a shaming tactic. What a breath of fresh air this all is. And by fresh, I mean like the kind of air you'd get when you walk by a sewage backup.@DarkAngel1221 is it that hard to understand that people might be into more than just anime? |
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DrGeroCreation said: @Flannan Didn't say it was an anime only thing and I don't see what that has to do with elitism. So people are probably just tired of it. Claiming one is tired of an ubiquitous well-working trope is what I see as the essence of elitism - the distaste for things that work fine in favor of something that would satisfy a critic. DrGeroCreation said: . A game world doesn't have to be an rpg world. Dishboard is definitely a game world since games are part of daily life there. . It is he is trapped within the world and experiences it like the real world. I feel we have a worthless terminology squabble here. DrGeroCreation said: . I've heard that Grimgar is a more realistic take on the game world trope so the characters aren't overpowered like Kirito. I've seen Grimgar, and I've played video games. In pretty much any videogame, player's characters start capable of fighting at least the same number of low-level opponents. They do not face the possibility of being beaten by one lousy goblin. Some examples: Utawarerumono the game's first fight is about beating a dozen of mountain monkeys. The next few fights put the MC on the throne of a kingdom as he and his allies lead the rebels in the fight against the kingdom's regular army. In Skyrim, after your hands are free and you get your first sword, you fight your way out, fighting against 1-3 imperials/rebels at a time, all of whom are supposed to be experienced warriors. I've started "Borderlands: the pre-sequel" yesterday. The game started with the two of us plowing through squads of space marines, saving a corporate executive, and plowing through more space marines on our way off the space station. I haven't actually played a MMORPG, only lots of single-player RPGs, but as I understand, in MMORPGs the situation from Grimgar can happen only if you go to a zone far beyond your level. It's only MMO PvP shooters like Planetside that can replicate Grimgar's situation, as most opponents are real humans, and player's skill is the main thing that matters. |
DarkAngel1221 said: You cannot be so fucking delusional to not be able to see the flaws in the norms and trends of the medium. If you think that when you hear criticism of anime for having questionable content that its western counterpart does not have is a valid reason to dismiss and shame those people by saying, "go back to watching western cartoons" then you are nothing but a bigot. A person can like watching an anime like Berserk yet find most ecchi harems questionable and distasteful. A person can like watching Adventure Time yet find something you'd see on Saturday morning as childish and boring. Stop trying to wrap everyone into black and white. You're acting like a goddamn fool, you shitty troll.Whatever people say, eastern Anime have better stories than western which is for children. So adults who are overly attached to western Anime just really likes childish stuffs since they can't seem to grow. xD @Bobby2Hands then why are you bashing Anime if you're into it? Man, you just ate everything you've said then, since you only notice perverted parts, then you're just really a pervert. =P |
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| never heard someone saying that in my life |
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| Good Lord, AD really has gone to shit. OT: I used to be one of those guys, so I can tell you exactly why this kind of thought exists. Exposure and lack of understanding. Lack of exposure leads to a lack of understanding, thereby creating an unintentional stereotype which then alienates you and makes you wary of other anime. Also, @DarkAngel1221 Anime, in general, doesn't have nearly as good story telling as you believe it does. |
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| @Bobby2Hands @DrGeroCreation You should re-state your position about the suitability of anime and western animation for children and adults. Make sure to state where lolicon falls in this position. @DarkAngel1221 Please calm down, I'm pretty sure this is a misunderstanding that can be resolved. |
| they judge without even knowing what it is, seriously, how can you hate anime but like cartoons?what are you?a 5 year old kid? |
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CrappyGod-sama said: They are shaming and pointing that Anime watchers are only for panty, boobs, lolis and other perverted stuffs, which I don't even see often since I only watch Ecchi with a nice plot, Rakudai for example. It is true that some anime have fan services and they're looking at it as a flaw, so why couldn't I point western Anime flaws as well? They keep on arguing about it, so why are they even here on MAL? It's better if they just go and watch western Anime then, since it doesn't have fan services that they seem to hate. So what's wrong with that?DarkAngel1221 said: You cannot be so fucking delusional to not be able to see the flaws in the norms and trends of the medium. If you think that when you hear criticism of anime for having questionable content that its western counterpart does not have is a valid reason to dismiss and shame those people by saying, "go back to watching western cartoons" then you are nothing but a bigot. A person can like watching an anime like Berserk yet find most ecchi harems questionable and distasteful. A person can like watching Adventure Time yet find something you'd see on Saturday morning as childish and boring. Stop trying to wrap everyone into black and white. You're acting like a goddamn fool, you shitty troll.Whatever people say, eastern Anime have better stories than western which is for children. So adults who are overly attached to western Anime just really likes childish stuffs since they can't seem to grow. xD @Bobby2Hands then why are you bashing Anime if you're into it? Man, you just ate everything you've said then, since you only notice perverted parts, then you're just really a pervert. =P |
DarkAngel1221Mar 16, 2016 7:26 AM
DarkAngel1221 said: Not being able to understand the opposition's viewpoint is what is leading you to believe that they are criticizing any and all anime for those things. They are taking a facet of the medium and discussing that. Also, I believe that DrGeroCreation is one of those guys that goes off at any given chance to talk about how much he likes American television cartoons. It's become so exhausting to read his diatribes where he over-generalizes everything and praises American DC cartoons and shows like Adventure Time like no tomorrow. It's boring and no one gives a shit anymore.CrappyGod-sama said: They are shaming and pointing that Anime watchers are only for panty, boobs, lolis and other perverted stuffs, which I don't even see often since I only watch Ecchi with a nice plot, Rakudai for example. It is true that some anime have fan services and they're looking at it as a flaw, so why couldn't I point western Anime flaws as well? They keep on arguing about it, so why are they even here in MAL? It's better if they just go and watch western Anime then, since it doesn't have fan services that they seem to hate. So what's wrong with that?You cannot be so fucking delusional to not be able to see the flaws in the norms and trends of the medium. If you think that when you hear criticism of anime for having questionable content that its western counterpart does not have is a valid reason to dismiss and shame those people by saying, "go back to watching western cartoons" then you are nothing but a bigot. A person can like watching an anime like Berserk yet find most ecchi harems questionable and distasteful. A person can like watching Adventure Time yet find something you'd see on Saturday morning as childish and boring. Stop trying to wrap everyone into black and white. You're acting like a goddamn fool, you shitty troll. And if you think Rakudai is a good anime with a great plot aimed at more mature audiences - may god bless your soul. |
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CrappyGod-sama said: I could tell the same to them.DarkAngel1221 said: Not being able to understand the opposition's viewpoint is what is leading you to believe that they are criticizing any and all anime for those things. They are taking a facet of the medium and discussing that. Also, I believe that DrGeroCreation is one of those guys that goes off at any given chance to talk about how much he likes American television cartoons. It's become so exhausting to read his diatribes where he over-generalizes everything and praises American DC cartoons and shows like Adventure Time like no tomorrow. It's boring and no one gives a shit anymore.They are shaming and pointing that Anime watchers are only for panty, boobs, lolis and other perverted stuffs, which I don't even see often since I only watch Ecchi with a nice plot, Rakudai for example. It is true that some anime have fan services and they're looking at it as a flaw, so why couldn't I point western Anime flaws as well? They keep on arguing about it, so why are they even here in MAL? It's better if they just go and watch western Anime then, since it doesn't have fan services that they seem to hate. So what's wrong with that? And if you think Rakudai is a good anime with a great plot aimed at more mature audiences - may god bless your soul. May god bless your soul for having Neon Genesis Evangelion as your favorite, as well. ^^ |
| ehh another 'anime is for adult and cartoon is for children' derailed thread this is why i see anime fans (or fanboy in general) is fucking hypocrites they like to generelize their superiority, but dislike when other generelize their inferiority |
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DarkAngel1221 said: LMAO I never liked Powerpuff Girls . If a new episode of a cartoon I like is released then I will damn well go watch it. I'm not wasting my time on Mal at all because I'm using it to keep track of what I'm watching.Just go back and watch your power puff girls, don't waste your time on MAL where "eastern anime fans" gathers. CrappyGod-sama said: I only talk about cartoons when people bring it up and people on this site just look for an excuse to hate anything that isn't anime on a constant basis. What it's boring is people constantly making threads comparing anime to everything else and making everything an anime vs whatever. I overgeneralize everything yet people always want to overgeneralize all non anime shows.] Also, I believe that DrGeroCreation is one of those guys that goes off at any given chance to talk about how much he likes American television cartoons. It's become so exhausting to read his diatribes where he over-generalizes everything and praises American DC cartoons and shows like Adventure Time like no tomorrow. It's boring and no one gives a shit anymore. |
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DrGeroCreation said: If you haven't realized after 10k forum posts that these threads are nothing but an attempt at a circlejerk then I don't know what to tell you. I mean, there are plenty of threads that get created where people bring up the same rehashed, old and banal ideas just to make themselves feel better by having other people confirm their own ideas. It's not hard to see through the bullshit. It's not some house of smoke and mirrors, really. Going against the waves in these kind of threads will just lead to harassment and cheap dismissal tactics. Do you really expect a bunch of weebs looking for confirmation to listen to valid arguments? No, they will not. They just want to feel good for being different. What it's boring is people constantly making threads comparing anime to everything else and making everything an anime vs whatever. This is not some strengthening sense of comradery. What it is, is more along the lines of pulling a veil over their own eyes and indulging in ignorance to fight off even more ignorance. Two wrongs don't make a right and no one wins at the end of the day. |
HolybaptiserMar 16, 2016 7:26 AM
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DrGeroCreation said: DarkAngel1221 said: LMAO I never liked Powerpuff Girls . If a new episode of a cartoon I like is released then I will damn well go watch it. I'm not wasting my time on Mal at all because I'm using it to keep track of what I'm watching.Just go back and watch your power puff girls, don't waste your time on MAL where "eastern anime fans" gathers. CrappyGod-sama said: I only talk about cartoons when people bring it up and people on this site just look for an excuse to hate anything that isn't anime on a constant basis. What it's boring is people constantly making threads comparing anime to everything else and making everything an anime vs whatever. I overgeneralize everything yet people always want to overgeneralize all non anime shows.] Also, I believe that DrGeroCreation is one of those guys that goes off at any given chance to talk about how much he likes American television cartoons. It's become so exhausting to read his diatribes where he over-generalizes everything and praises American DC cartoons and shows like Adventure Time like no tomorrow. It's boring and no one gives a shit anymore. Everything is about anime on this site. Anime is even in the name >.> You will obviously find the vs thing since it's only natural. They just want to see what other people think the same. Yeh it kind of annoys me when people say they like cartoons and hate anime but that's only because they say anime is dumb and so on. Fair play to the people who just don't like it. I respect that. But when they don't respect that it's something I like, then well I am going to get pissed. Simple. |
| @CrappyGod-sama I get all of that but for me to help prevent a circlejerk and encourage discussion other opinions on a topic must exist. Even if everyone disagrees with me or whoever it's good to have another side to the debate. Maylis said: I don't see how it's natural to always be comparing and competing with other mediums. Outside Mal and anime sites in general I don't see other fans always comparing things to anime and competing . Like I don't see people on IMDB always comparing movies to anime and threads asking if movies are superior to all anime and stuff like that. Same for Toonzone. On Mal it's like anime is fighting a war with other shows.Everything is about anime on this site. Anime is even in the name >.> You will obviously find the vs thing since it's only natural. Maylis said: It's understandable to get angry at that however the person could be ignorant about anime and if you introduce them to anime they may like it could change their opinion.Yeh it kind of annoys me when people say they like cartoons and hate anime but that's only because they say anime is dumb and so on. Fair play to the people who just don't like it. I respect that. But when they don't respect that it's something I like, then well I am going to get pissed. Simple. |
DrGeroCreationMar 16, 2016 7:41 AM
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| maybe my guess was wrong but I think he's racist that's all I bet he hasn't watched an anime anyway |
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flannan said: @Bobby2Hands @DrGeroCreation You should re-state your position about the suitability of anime and western animation for children and adults. Make sure to state where lolicon falls in this position. Yes it's actually very simple, there are; anime aimed at children anime aimed at adults cartoons aimed at children cartoons aimed at adults lolicons fall into anime aimed at adults obviously. |
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| @flannan It's elitist to like something different or just not like a specific trope? . If you say so. . Well there you go it's lke a fantasy mmorpg. Thus a game world and as I said it was hinted early on |
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| Never heard anyone say something like that. Guess they just don't know a first thing about anime and think that every last anime fan is a weeaboo, therefore decide to keep their distance. |
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DrGeroCreation said: @flannan It's elitist to like something different or just not like a specific trope? If your reason for disliking it is something other than "it's overused" (for example "it's offensive to women!"), it's most likely not elitist. DrGeroCreation said: . Well there you go it's lke a fantasy mmorpg. Thus a game world and as I said it was hinted early on |
| @flannan Not liking something because it's overused is being an elitist. That's news to me. It's an mmorpg game world but the characters start off really weak. Seems like the case to me. |
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| I think both mediums are great. Western Animation HAS gotten so much better in the last decade and the irony is anime influence. The creator of the Fairly Odd Parents is Butch Hartman and it's pretty clear he's an anime fan. There are references all over his shows and inside jokes that shows that he likes it. A lot. |
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Chiibi said: Anime has been influenced by western cartoons since the 60's and the overused moe character design only exist thanks to Tezuka being influenced by Betty Boop and Bambi. OPM, Tokyo ESP, Boku no Hero Academia are heavily influenced by western super hero fiction. Western cartoons have been good before this decade .I think both mediums are great. Western Animation HAS gotten so much better in the last decade and the irony is anime influence. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Western cartoons have been good before this decade . But you have to admit with shows like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Star, etc it's showing up more than ever? I think the evidence shows by the thousands of adult fans these shows are pulling in. |
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Chiibi said: Not really and Batman TAS and Gargoyles used to pull in many adult fans .Cartoons like those even though they have some anime influence feel far more like western cartoons than anime. Young Justice also pulls in adult and teenaged fans. How exactly is Star anime influenced? Just because she is a magical girl? She is super zany like a typical golden age cartoon character more so than anime characters.DrGeroCreation said: Western cartoons have been good before this decade . But you have to admit with shows like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Star, etc it's showing up more than ever? I think the evidence shows by the thousands of adult fans these shows are pulling in. |
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DrGeroCreation said: . How exactly is Star anime influenced? .............................are you KIDDING me, man!? XD Do some research; the creator herself is a huge Sailor Moon fan and she" wanted to make a cartoon like that". She was originally going to have Marco be a DBZ fanatic but that got changed over time. Star's wand is a deliberate mash-up of Sakura's wand and Sailor Moon's wand. |
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Chiibi said: Her wand is a homage to them but how is she (Star) anime influenced?Don't say because of the eyes because the big eyed moe design started with Betty Boop. She acts as crazy as a western cartoon character not like a typical anime character.DrGeroCreation said: . How exactly is Star anime influenced? .............................are you KIDDING me, man!? XD Do some research; the creator herself is a huge Sailor Moon fan and she" wanted to make a cartoon like that". She was originally going to have Marco be a DBZ fanatic but that got changed over time. Star's wand is a deliberate mash-up of Sakura's wand and Sailor Moon's wand. |
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| I feel sorry for the plebs who say that... They don't understand the greatness of anime |
DrGeroCreation said: Chiibi said: Her wand is a homage to them but how is she (Star) anime influenced?Don't say because of the eyes because the big eyed moe design started with Betty Boop. She acts as crazy as a western cartoon character not like a typical anime character..............................are you KIDDING me, man!? XD Do some research; the creator herself is a huge Sailor Moon fan and she" wanted to make a cartoon like that". She was originally going to have Marco be a DBZ fanatic but that got changed over time. Star's wand is a deliberate mash-up of Sakura's wand and Sailor Moon's wand. There's no such thing as a "typical anime character". They have as many different personalities as western characters. I take it you've never seen Magical Witch Puni-chan..... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6473 That story is practically identical, as well as their personalities. But here are some more tropes, if that doesn't convince ya: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil |
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DrGeroCreation said: Chiibi said: Her wand is a homage to them but how is she (Star) anime influenced?Don't say because of the eyes because the big eyed moe design started with Betty Boop. She acts as crazy as a western cartoon character not like a typical anime character..............................are you KIDDING me, man!? XD Do some research; the creator herself is a huge Sailor Moon fan and she" wanted to make a cartoon like that". She was originally going to have Marco be a DBZ fanatic but that got changed over time. Star's wand is a deliberate mash-up of Sakura's wand and Sailor Moon's wand. Star also shows anime influences in the use of static splash backgrounds and the way she shouts the name of her attacks as she does them. |
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| As a die hard animation fan, I happen to watch anything animated as long as if it entertains me. I just love animation. |
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Chiibi said: Saw the first episode and that girl is nothing like Star personality wise. She seems bipolar or just hiding her true personality to throw people off. She acts defenseless, innocent and cutesy then becomes super serious and hardcore. Star doesn't have a split personality like that. The story does seem similar but that anime seems more parody like. There was a dog magical pet acting like he is a desperado.DrGeroCreation said: Her wand is a homage to them but how is she (Star) anime influenced?Don't say because of the eyes because the big eyed moe design started with Betty Boop. She acts as crazy as a western cartoon character not like a typical anime character. There's no such thing as a "typical anime character". They have as many different personalities as western characters. I take it you've never seen Magical Witch Puni-chan..... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6473 That story is practically identical, as well as their personalities. But here are some more tropes, if that doesn't convince ya: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil |
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| *sighs* Dude...............Star VS The Forces of Evil IS absolutely anime-influenced because the creator said so herself. That's the bottom line. |
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| I haven't heard anyone say that.. If anything I've heard the opposite.. |
Chiibi said: I'm not denying that but Star is more like a western cartoon character as I said. The character from that anime is nothing like her personality wise.*sighs* Dude...............Star VS The Forces of Evil IS absolutely anime-influenced because the creator said so herself. That's the bottom line. Bobby2Hands said: Okay but I'm focusing on personality.Star also shows anime influences in the use of static splash backgrounds and the way she shouts the name of her attacks as she does them. |
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