Japan tells UN no evidence of forced WWII sex slavery

DateYutaka said:


its the double standard that irks me nothing like this come up about about trukey and us backed regimes around the world [ no oim not talk about the zionists or saudis this time]

its always Japan japan japan

when this year abe in one way or the other admiatted ehance why the far right attacked him] things while turkey refuse to admit anything

Japan is an open democratic nation unlike other nations that the us aly them svels with

like the dictator in Thailand or the Karamov regime in uzbekistan

till around 99 the suharto regime and the massacring of 10 thousands of east-timorese killed with us manufacted weapons and by us trained troops

i admit my nation did some bad things in that time but us backed regimes since have done 20% worse

Japan has grew up in to longlasting relativly corruption free democracy [ that has more resaention then the us does ie we have more parties unilke the us still studd with you arachice 2 party state and elecatoal collage system that is broken over all]

umashikaneko said:

You really need to look into more scientific and neutral sites out there that dealing both sides of arguments.

There were terrible agents both in in land (call it Japan here) and out land(call it Korea here )

recruiters in Japan were mostly Japanese, and recruiters in Korea were mostly Korean(judging from statistics recruiter arrested for kidnapping and decieving by Korean government)

those decieving recruiters were not allowed both in Japan and in Korea and arrested

Early in May of 1942 Japanese agents arrived in Korea for the purpose of enlisting Korean girls for "comfort service" in newly conquered Japanese territories in Southeast Asia.

Zapredon said:


So, is the US report wrong? It says here that Japanese agents arrive in Korea to recruit Korean women for comfort women service.


http://www.exordio.com/1939-1945/codex/Documentos/report-49-USA-orig.html

umashikaneko said:



It is indeed Japanese at that time because both in land and outer land were Japan.

ARMY too all Japanese Korean Taiwanese were Japanese at that time .

“After being victims of Japanese war crimes, comfort women are now being made victims of historical distortion.”

MANILA – Defying the physical limits to their age, Filipina “comfort women” continue to demand justice, as they again trooped to the Japanese Embassy on Wednesday, Feb. 10.

The lolas (grandmothers) under Lila Pilipina were particularly fuming about the reported moves by the Japanese government to distort history by denying the existence of wartime sexual slavery and the forcible drafting of “comfort women” by the Japanese Imperial Army.

A report said the Japanese government made an official statement in its report to the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW), which said “the forceful taking away by the government and the military during the war could not be confirmed in any documents it investigated.”

“After being victims of Japanese war crimes, comfort women are now being made victims of historical distortion,” said Rechilda Extremadura, executive director of Lila Pilipina, an organization of Filipino comfort women.

Extremadura said that in Japan’s desire to restore its military power side-by-side its former enemy, the United States, it is now sweeping the comfort women issue under the rug to deny their existence altogether.

Extremadura said that they have submitted documents and testimonies from victims long ago to the Japanese government and the UN. As a result, the UN had already declared World War II sexual slavery as a war crime.

“But Japan still continues to contradict the UN and refuses to abide by the resolutions regarding the comfort women system as a war crime. And now, it is revising history by making deals that would silence the victims as they did to Korea,” she said.

Extremadura said their demands remain the same: unequivocal apology and just compensation from the Japanese government, and for the crime to be recorded in history books.

Extremadura asserts that, now more than ever, this demand has gained more significance. “The Emperor was right in saying that the younger generation must know their history, and this should include the stories of comfort women. There may not be many comfort women left to hear the apology or personally receive compensation should Japan, by a miracle, suddenly agree to it, but historical inclusion will give justice even to the lolas who have died fighting for their cause,” she added.

The protesters proceeded to Chino Roces Bridge (former Mendiola bridge) to criticize President Aquino, who they said is “on his last few months in office before he goes to jail.” They lambasted Aquino for being silent on the issue when he faced Japanese Emperor Akihoto who recently visited the Philippines.

“Worthless. He was worthless for the lolas for the whole of his six years in office,” Extremadura said.

Extremadura also lamented that not one of the presidential bets have said anything about comfort women.

“It seems like all the wanna-be leaders would not want to rock the US-Japan boat by siding with the lolas. But of course, the campaign has just started and they can all pay lip service to the lola’s cause. We will just have to separate the chaff from the grains and discern who is the most sincere.”

She challenged the presidential and senatorial candidates to “outdo themselves and push for justice for the comfort women.”

“Follow the lead of Neri Colmenares and the Makabayan bloc who were the only voice we heard that supported the lolas campaign, especially when the Emperor visited. You have already betrayed senior citizens when you failed to override the Social Security Service pension increase bill, redeem yourselves by siding with another set of senior citizens with a just cause,” Extremadura said.

‘A national shame’

Meanwhile, Eve Ensler, women’s rights activist, playwright and author of the “Vagina Monologues” described the injustice to the comfort women as a “national shame.”

In the “One Billion Rising 2016” press conference on Feb. 8, comfort woman Narcisa Calveria or Lola Isa, 85, decried continuing injustice. The emotional Lola Isa said they are old but they will never be tired of demanding justice even if the war has been over 70 years ago.

“I am really sorry,” said Ensler, addressing Lola Isa. “It is a shame that the Philippine government has not made it right with the comfort women in all these years. I met her (Lola Isa) 15 years ago and she is still sitting here without justice. That is a national shame on the government,” she said.

Ensler slammed the government for selling out justice for the comfort women in exchange of the proposed Japan-Philippine Visiting Forces Agreement. “I think this is the year that the government has to recognize and get justice from the Japanese government and stop selling out the comfort women for the militarization of this country. It is shameful.”

“It is simply outrageous that we sit here with Lola Narcisa, who is one of the most gracious, kind people who has been fighting for justice and still saying there is no justice after 25 years. It’s criminal, and this government is responsible and this country should be rising with us to make this government responsible until her day of justice comes,” Ensler said.

On Feb. 14, Ensler will join the One Billion Rising 2016 in Luneta. Lolas of the Lila Pilipina will also join the said event.

Zapredon said:


My interpretation is that I thought they mean Japanese from land of Japan arriving in Korea because the word 'arrive' seems to suggest they are not from the land of Korea. Oh well.

Deserada said:
Let me get this straight. We are arguing about who should apologize and for what?

Suck it up. War is hell.

The people you are mad at are either dead or senile.

This whole feat is a glorified playground feud.

Now is there anything you wanted to negotiate for, or is this just name-calling?

Deserada said:
Let me get this straight. We are arguing about who should apologize and for what?

Suck it up. War is hell.

The people you are mad at are either dead or senile.

This whole feat is a glorified playground feud.

Now is there anything you wanted to negotiate for, or is this just name-calling?

Deserada said:
Let me get this straight. We are arguing about who should apologize and for what?

Suck it up. War is hell.

The people you are mad at are either dead or senile.

This whole feat is a glorified playground feud.

Now is there anything you wanted to negotiate for, or is this just name-calling?

DateYutaka said:

i attack the double standard

Isuru said:
"Japan says it has found no evidence its WWII government and military forcibly rounded up women to be sex slaves, Tokyo has told a U.N. committee, the latest pronouncement in a corrosive row over interpretations of history."


"Tokyo has offered repeated apologies over the issue, and says that while there was military involvement in the establishment of "comfort stations" there is no evidence its officials were involved in the abduction of women for the purpose."


This is a really well worded statement. Basically they don't deny rounding up women, but they deny that they were rounded up for the sole purpose of being sex slaves. Kudos to whoever wrote this.

rladls717 said:
So then there's the difference.

Unless we truly know and understand what history Japan is teaching, we will never know what kind of manners Japan is towards to its own country and the surrounding countries.

I'm really wrong about pointing out things without fully aware of view from Japan's point of view.

Maybe go to the Yasukuni Shrine and see how much histories are recorded and perceived compared to other countries tales.
But after learning its language first.

The Emperor has continued his father’s boycott of Yasukuni Shrine that began when 14 Class-A war criminals were secretly enshrined there in 1978. Emperor Hirohito, who is posthumously called Emperor Showa, confided to an aide that he refrained from visiting the shrine thereafter due to their presence.

Zapredon said:

You miss out the point. The problem here is that, Japan actually deny their war crime. You might as well says Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing never happen. This is exactly why Japan have to keep on apologize. For every apologize made, there is another denial made by Japan which made the previous apologize null and void.

Japan apologize for war crime.
Japan deny their war crime.
WW2 victims doubt Japan sincerity.
Japan have to apologize again.

It's a repeated process that will never end after 70 years since WW2 end all because Japan denying it. Even if you feel today modern generation don't need to apologize, it still doesn't give them right to deny their ancestors war crime.




No, there's no double standard. Unlike Japan, the Allies did not deny their war crime. The problem here is that Japan did not acknowledge their war crime.


That is the issue to discuss here. Japan say's there's no force but Philippines comfort women protest this Japanese statements and says Japan distorting history.

DateYutaka said:


Japan got punised for there war crimes not ones allied solder from the so call verutous victors did and the us war crimes or the crimes odf ther allies since have never been punished Mai lal abu garib and so on

let alone git mo at the den of deprativy that place os the totur that goes n there is on [ar with u 731 as sentor McCain said " we pit the japanese genreal to death for the same crimes we now commit "

the us is so just

Zapredon said:


Yes, those who responsible already got punish during the trial. But there are still people denying Japan war crime.

Sukebe14 said:


And become like current germans, to whom flagelancy and guilty become some kind of fetish?

megahobbit said:


Dude they seriously commit mass genocide the deserve some guilt for that shit.

Sukebe14 said:


Just like soviets and americans but I dont heard them apologising either

Deserada said:
Let me get this straight. We are arguing about who should apologize and for what?

Suck it up. War is hell.

The people you are mad at are either dead or senile.

This whole feat is a glorified playground feud.

Now is there anything you wanted to negotiate for, or is this just name-calling?

megahobbit said:


"Suck it up. War is hell. "

Jesus dude. Thats not an excuse for war crimes.

Taipei, Jan. 10 (CNA) Taiwan urged Japan on Saturday to face up to its military's use of sexual slavery during World War II amid reports that references to that sordid history will be deleted from certain Japanese high school textbooks.

Taipei, July 6 (CNA) A "Taiwanese comfort women" exhibition organized by the Taipei Women's Rescue Foundation (TWRC) and the Tokyo-based Women's Active Museum on War and Peace opened Saturday in Tokyo, running through June 29, 2014.

One 92-year-old former Taiwanese comfort woman -- a euphemism for a military sex slave for the Japanese Imperial Army during World War II -- appeared at the opening ceremony in Tokyo to depict her story in the hope of increasing awareness of the sexual slavery perpetrated by the Japanese military.

Despite her advanced years, Cheng Chen-tao offered to visit Japan as a witness to describe her misery at the hands of the Japanese after learning about the exhibition.

Cheng said she was forced into prostitution in India when she was 19 years old and endured five years of sexual servitude.

During the period, she attempted suicide several times and had several abortions that rendered her infertile, according to Cheng.

TWRF Executive Director Kang Shu-hua said that recently, with the emergence of a right-wing political force in Japan, some political figures, including Toru Hashimoto, the young, blunt mayor of Osaka, have made "improper comments" that have again hurt the surviving sex slaves.

Hashimoto has drawn outrage for suggesting that Japan's forced prostitution of some 200,000 women during World War II was "necessary." Kang said that the Japanese government has tried to cover up the truth, making young people indifferent to the victims of Japan's war crimes.

Through the exhibition, the TWRF hopes Japan's younger generation can understand the facts of history and it also wants to express a stern protest against remarks distorting the historical facts related to the sex slaves.

Taipei, Feb. 17 (CNA) A recently renovated building in the historic Dadaocheng area of Taipei is to be the location for the first museum in Taiwan dedicated to Taiwanese "comfort women" who were forced into sexual slavery by the Japanese Imperial Army during World War II.

The goal of the "Ama Museum" is to preserve the stories of the former Taiwanese comfort women and to make sure that this chapter of history is not forgotten, said Kang Shu-hua (康淑華), executive director of the Taipei Women's Rescue Foundation, a driving force behind the initiative.

"Ama" is the word for "grandmother" in Taiwanese. The foundation calls the former comfort women "Ama" because most of the ones still alive are already in their late 80s or early 90s.



"We hope the Ama Museum will be an everlasting home for the Amas and a place where they will always be remembered," Kang said at a news conference Wednesday to announce details of the upcoming museum.

"The establishment of the museum is not intended to stir up hatred," she said, adding that the goal is to face history and move forward.

She expressed hope that the museum will allow the next generations to learn more about the history of the comfort women and the issue of women's human rights.

Housed within a 2.5-story building covering an area of 150 pings (495 square meters), the museum will feature a permanent exhibition on the Taiwanese comfort women, displaying photos, documents and videos related to that part of history, as well as exchanges over the past two decades between the foundation's members and the wartime victims, according to Kang.

In addition to mounting the exhibition on the comfort women, the foundation will organize workshops and seminars at the museum on topics such as human rights education and sexual abuse, she said.



The museum will be the first of its kind in Taiwan, Kang said, noting that similar museums have been established in South Korea and Japan.

The foundation will hold a ceremony to unveil the museum plaque March 8 -- International Women's Day -- she said, adding that the museum is scheduled to be opened to the public in September.

The foundation had previously aimed to open a museum in memory of the comfort women late last year, but the schedule was pushed back due to issues with the previous location, which meant another place to house the museum needed to be found.

The opening of the museum will mark the foundation's 25 years of efforts to help the comfort women cope with their mental anguish and to seek justice and compensation from Japan. Over the past two decades, it has collected many first-hand accounts since it took up the issue and began interviewing the women.



More than 2,000 Taiwanese women were forced into sexual slavery by the Japanese Imperial Army during World War II, according to the foundation.

Only three of the Taiwanese women who have spoken openly of their suffering at the hands of Japanese forces are still alive, it said.

It will cost about NT$20 million (US$601,169) for the first two years of operation of the museum, Kang said, calling on the public to make donations to help with the funding.

megahobbit said:


Actually Congress has been trying to put an official apology to the Native Americans for years. And have already issued one for Slavery http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93059465

Americans should be apologizing for what happened. Im not a fan of the "well no one else is doing it so why should we argument"

Most of the documents were destroyed by the military at the surrender of Japan in World War II, and the rest were scattered.

Zapredon said:
During Japan surrender, most military documents have been burned by the Japanese military./

Takuan_Soho said:


But the US had broken most Japanese codes, including the diplomatic, naval and army codes, so while the Japanese destroyed their records, the US already had most of them.

The sad truth behind the Japanese statement is that the Japanese has no reason to use force. Poverty was more than enough a motivator.

I was reading a University of CA at Berkley article on this, and they couldn't get avoid this simple fact, so they tried to claim that the Japanese war effort "impoverished" these regions and forced people to sell their daughters. This is blatantly a historical. While the war did not help, Korea and Taiwan were far poorer before the Japanese took them over and the practice of selling daughters existed long before the Japanese arrived.

In this case it is very similar to the international African Slave Trade. It existed well over 1,000 years before the Europeans arrived (primarily fueled by Arab demand for slaves). Far from the "Roots" mythology of "evil" Europeans busting up peaceful African villages, the Europeans had not need to do anything. The markets already existed, the Europeans merely tapped into it. And it continued to exist after the Europeans stopped buying slaves. Only the English were determined enough to stop it (more or less, it still is occurring today).

MortalMelancholy said:
Germany owned up, Japan should too.

Zapredon said:


German impression on Japan have become negative for the past few years due to Japan inability to move on from past.

Germany dismayed by Japan's inability to move on
http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/International-Relations/Germany-dismayed-by-Japan-s-inability-to-move-on?page=2