Why Most Old School Anime is way better than Seasonal Modern Anime?

Kruzy said:

Then you shouldn't claim something like that if you only watch a small portion of shows every season.

ForgottenXthe3rd said:

I watch more than a small portion, there are just some shows i dont get to or bother with, every show that seems even remotely interesting i watch eventually.

Kruzy said:

And you still managed to miss out on most of the good shows that came out in the past 2 years.

TheBrainintheJar said:
Hey, you know what

I bet if you took a single season from the Good Old Days you'd find a lot of crap there.

Has anyone tried to watch all the anime of an Old Season?

FGAU1912 said:
housewife does come in to its woman but people like it do exist in in real life

mayukachan said:

You're actually right about that.
When I created my "Backwards Seasonals Project", I had to go to every single old season and pick a few shows I had to complete from there. The only ones that sounded interesting were ones that were space or music orientated. So much action shit in the past. I'm so glad more anime nowadays are about high school comedy.


But majority of females do not think or act like her. A more realistic example of a female would be Futaba from Ao Haru Ride or Yona from Akatsuki no Yona. Both are characters that girls would actually look up to.

mayukachan said:

You're actually right about that.
When I created my "Backwards Seasonals Project", I had to go to every single old season and pick a few shows I had to complete from there. The only ones that sounded interesting were ones that were space or music orientated. So much action shit in the past. I'm so glad more anime nowadays are about high school comedy.


But majority of females do not think or act like her. A more realistic example of a female would be Futaba from Ao Haru Ride or Yona from Akatsuki no Yona. Both are characters that girls would actually look up to.

FGAU1912 said:



iv watched alot of both and there alot of godd stuf form 72-94 alot of crap bettwen 95-2002 2005 -2009 began to pick up agian 2010- has so good shows but with the amount of anime prodced per seaosn that ecoaxt

ForgottenXthe3rd said:

A lot more gets produced per season now than way back when, of course there will be more poorly done series, but there are also more well-done series too.

TheBrainintheJar said:
Hey, you know what

I bet if you took a single season from the Good Old Days you'd find a lot of crap there.

Has anyone tried to watch all the anime of an Old Season?

NicoZeta said:


At least those bad shows in the past are watchable and better written than today`s most overrated/overhyped seasonal anime like SAO, Guilty Crown, Mirai Nikki, Urobutcher shows, etc.

KendiKong said:

Except they're not watchable lol

NicoZeta said:


It`s watchable because it has old school charm and they have more redeeming qualities than your typical generic LN adaptations.

omfgplzstop said:


ok
today's anime are watchable because they have fresh new charm and they have more redeeming qualities than your typical generic whatever the fuck 90s anime were based on

IspanoGuymelef said:
Anime is definetely going downhill according to my MALgraph.

My mean score went down from 7.89 for anime of the 90s, to 6.11 for the 00s and finally 4.8 for this decade.

inb4 modern anime is shit and retro will always stay superior.

NicoZeta said:


At least those bad shows in the past are watchable and better written than today`s most overrated/overhyped seasonal anime like SAO, Guilty Crown, Mirai Nikki, Urobutcher shows, etc.

TheBrainintheJar said:

I'm currently watching SAO and while I enjoy it, I can see why people will hate it. It's interesting bad, though. It's a series with big ambitions that want to be subversive and questioning, only it doesn't have the focus that made Tamers or AOT brilliant.

Same goes for others, too. I can imagine Mirai Nikki failing, but I can't see it being boring. I'd take an interesting failure over bad-boring any day. According to Mayukachan, in those days it was all bad-boring.

FGAU1912 said:


moe chacters are not realistic on personality

Kruzy said:


>Anime from 1990s: 13
>Anime from 2000s: 61
>Anime from 2010s: 54

Say stuff like that when you've seen a decent amount from each period.

IspanoGuymelef said:
While I certainly haven't watched many anime from the 90s, I have seen enough from the 2000s and 2010s to notice an obvious decline in the quality of anime over the years.

NicoZeta said:


Says the guy who watched less than hundred anime.

That`s not fresh new charm, that`s a Re-hash by stealing older ideas but in reality, the execution failed.

The older classics ones in the past are better in execution.

HaXXspetten said:
There have been plenty of good and bad anime every year since forever

Can we please stop trying to correlate age with quality? There is no connection like that, face it

NicoZeta said:


Says the guy who watched less than hundred anime.

That`s not fresh new charm, that`s a Re-hash by stealing older ideas but in reality, the execution failed.

The older classics ones in the past are better in execution.

IspanoGuymelef said:


While I certainly haven't watched many anime from the 90s, I have seen enough from the 2000s and 2010s to notice an obvious decline in the quality of anime over the years.

NicoZeta said:


SAO is about Players trapped in the game must go on top of the floor to clear the game but in reality, it`s a bullshit harem with Gary Sue MC and Gay fairies.

Mirai Nikki is about survival death game but in reality, it`s about characters doing retarded things and they act like 5 year old kids.


At least AOT is average, it was ruined by huge amount of Shock Factor instead of normal Tragedy.

galimx said:

hahaahahah

omfgplzstop said:


dam
im way 2 naive
didnt think dere was more den 1 person dat dense on dis forum

chinesecartoonz said:
whoawhoawhoa calm down there ThatAnimeSnob Jr

Kruzy said:


Did you ever consider that those 90s anime seem generic to you because everything afterwards just copied the shit out of them? There's even a trope for this called Seinfed is Unfunny.

ForgottenXthe3rd said:


some after them might have borrowed some ideas, but saying that everything after that was just copies? either you're super dense, crazy biased towards older series, or just plain stupid....

Kruzy said:


Obviously not everything was copied. There are plenty of great anime made post-2000 but calling old anime generic is kind of stupid because they're the ones that started those tropes.

NicoZeta said:


Great Director and Script Writers are already Endangered Species.

Masaaki Yuasa is the savior of modern anime, but he`s so lazy to make his next anime tv series.
Shinichiro Watanabe lost it`s charm after Mitchiko to Hatchin.
Kunihiko Ikuhara lost it`s charm after Penguindrum.
Hayao Miyazaki already quit.
Yoshiyuki Tomino is too old and can`t make his new mecha anime anymore.
Satoshi Kon, Ishiguro Noboru, Osamu Dezaki is already dead.
Izubuchi Yutaka is a lazy slacker and he has no idea which anime he`ll direct next.
Anno Hideaki is a slow-ass lazy director and his last rebuild of evangelion movie is in the works in a very slow pace.


Great Animators are working in overrated studio such as Kyoani and Ufotable.
Director and Script Writer in both Kyoani and Ufotable are Hack.

The Magical Girl genre anime is no longer aimed at little girls anymore, it`s aimed at unemployed horny otakus.

Cyberpunk is almost extinct and many japanese people aren`t interested in Cyberpunk genre.

About Yuri, Aoi Hana sounds Enlightening Coming of Age lesbian story.
Sasameki Koto sounds a bland forgettable romcom but with girls.

No thank you, i think i`m gonna watch Aoi Hana much later.

P.S.
Gen Urobuchi is a Hack Writer and he ripped-off Tomino`s writing style by making the characters robotic and pretentious at the same time.

Lancehot said:

As much as I liked Yona as a character, I'm not sure there's that many women whose thought process would be "well he did kill my dad & try to murder me, but he is cute so I'll still love him."

Hellsoldier said:


Yuasa, I hear, takes a lot of roles within anime production, so I guess that spends a lot of energy. I haven't watch any of his works yet. But I hear nothing but great things from them so... I will pick them up.

As for Watanabe, I was engaged byZankyou no Terror... Albeit I was blown away when I watched Cowboy Bebop and the Knocking on Heaven's Door movie.

Never watched a Miyazaki work, though I have heard of his works. I will pick them up, eventually.

Tomino... What the HELL was G-Reco supposed to be anyways? And I liked the old-inspired animation. Made me think I could try out the old Gundam titles.

Paranoia Agent was my only Kon work thus far. It was spetacular. Dezaki directed Oniisama e..., didn't he? Ichigura... I only know Megazone 23.

Izubuchi... I love Rahxephon.

I think Anno broke down... again.

I actually like and love a few works from KyoAni, at least. I'll beg to differ there. But I respect your opinion.

To be fair, Madoka is not to blame for the ''seinenization'' of the Magical Genre. Nanoha was. And yes, I love Madoka. Unapologetically so. But no, not gonna trash people who disagree.

Well yeah, Ghost in the Shel SAC and Arise and Psycho-Pass are essentially 3 cyberpunk shows in a sea of anime these last 15 years. Yeah, it's a dying art.

Aoi Hana is wonderful. As for Sasameki Koto, it's essentially reviewed as a bit more comic but still earth-grounded. Albeit many just prefer the manga, since it goes into the final year of school and involves two girls accepting their relationship worthy and continuing it into adulthood. I'll admit that of these, I only watched Aoi Hana. As for Sasameki Koto, I read the manga reviews.

I accept your opinion on Urobuchi, but I gotta ask: Where do you see it? It is true Urobuchi loved Zeta Gundam as a child. But I actually see personalities in the works I watched (Madoka Magica and Psycho-Pass). Maybe you see something I don't... Or the other way around. Who knows?

DateYutaka said:



with in the home market name one watanbae show that has had lasting impact im sorry i cannot do that and hes passiable skilled

while tomino created two of the most impactfull anime there are both witch are well witten them being gundam and ideon hes better story teller tha watanabe is

Hellsoldier said:


As mentioned before, I only started on Tomino recently. I know I started with a rotten one, instead of his greats. Watanabe, however, did have an impact. His works are the reason many westerners got into anime in the first place, much like Akira and Ghost in the Shell and other works that dragged western audiences into anime. Home Sales are not everything.

Hellsoldier said:

Yuasa, I hear, takes a lot of roles within anime production, so I guess that spends a lot of energy. I haven't watch any of his works yet. But I hear nothing but great things from them so... I will pick them up.

As for Watanabe, I was engaged byZankyou no Terror... Albeit I was blown away when I watched Cowboy Bebop and the Knocking on Heaven's Door movie.

Never watched a Miyazaki work, though I have heard of his works. I will pick them up, eventually.

Tomino... What the HELL was G-Reco supposed to be anyways? And I liked the old-inspired animation. Made me think I could try out the old Gundam titles.

Paranoia Agent was my only Kon work thus far. It was spetacular. Dezaki directed Oniisama e..., didn't he? Ichigura... I only know Megazone 23.

Izubuchi... I love Rahxephon.

I think Anno broke down... again.

I actually like and love a few works from KyoAni, at least. I'll beg to differ there. But I respect your opinion.

To be fair, Madoka is not to blame for the ''seinenization'' of the Magical Genre. Nanoha was. And yes, I love Madoka. Unapologetically so. But no, not gonna trash people who disagree.

Well yeah, Ghost in the Shel SAC and Arise and Psycho-Pass are essentially 3 cyberpunk shows in a sea of anime these last 15 years. Yeah, it's a dying art.

Aoi Hana is wonderful. As for Sasameki Koto, it's essentially reviewed as a bit more comic but still earth-grounded. Albeit many just prefer the manga, since it goes into the final year of school and involves two girls accepting their relationship worthy and continuing it into adulthood. I'll admit that of these, I only watched Aoi Hana. As for Sasameki Koto, I read the manga reviews.

I accept your opinion on Urobuchi, but I gotta ask: Where do you see it? It is true Urobuchi loved Zeta Gundam as a child. But I actually see personalities in the works I watched (Madoka Magica and Psycho-Pass). Maybe you see something I don't... Or the other way around. Who knows?

One thing: Nico Nico Nii... Isn't that a Love Live reference?

NicoZeta said:


Yuasa should stop slacking and i hope he`ll direct new 1 anime per year and fans in the west will be pleased and happy.

Watanabe is a good director once but he`s now spoon feeding the fans instead of focusing on writing good story; Zankyou no Terror sucks because it`s Terrorism done wrong; the show was ruined when Five was introduced in the anime; also both MC is a Terrorist and they haven`t killed even one people

Hayao Miyazaki is the best anime movie director before Satoshi Kon; if you want to watch Hayao Miyazaki`s movies then try watching Laputa, Grave of the Fireflies, My Neighbor Totoro, Porco Rosso, Princess Mononoke, The Cat Returns, Spirited Away.

Satoshi Kon was the best Anime Movie Director in previous decade, just check out Perfect Blue, Millenium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, Paprika.

If you want to see Osamu Dezaki`s anime then check out Rose of Versailles, Ashita no Joe, Space Cobra and Ie Nakki Ko.

You didn`t know Ichigura? he`s the one who directed Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

The only good Kyoani shows are FMP Fumoffu and Second Raid, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya season 1 and Movie.

The main problem with Madoka Magica is not the story, the characters itself are the main problem just because they aren`t actual characters, they`re all plot device with no personality.

I actually like Nanoha because it`s a refreshing Magical Girl anime about Magical Girl with the combination of Sci-fi meets Magic; the fanservice doesn`t bother me after all; Nanoha went downhill after 2nd season because both main characters are no longer lolis.

GITS SAC is far the best Cyberpunk Anime of all time with high production values and beautiful visuals.

GITS Arise is bad because it`s a bad attempt to milk the franchise and the new Motoko design looks so ugly that she looks like a different person.

Psycho-Pass is not great just because the characters are like Books with Human form, The characters are quoting the most famous quotes in Famous Literature Books; the Dialogue is so fucking Pretentious it`s making me facepalm; the characters don`t tell their own motivations and goals; they just quote random famous quotes on Literature books after all; Akane`s Character Development is forced and fake, it`s not character development, that`s a character rewrite by swapping roles after Kougami disappeared.

Urobuchi is the most overrated Anime Director in History, he`s way more popular than Tezuka our God of Anime and Manga.
Urobuchi don`t know how to write actual characters, every single character he writes are annoying Plot Devices.

In Madoka Magica, the girls are puppets instead of normal girls; Kaname Madoka is a Crybaby Observer instead of normal teenage girl; victimizing the characters make the show worse, it`s not tragedy, that`s Shock Factor.

Characters from Fate/Zero are Cartoonish Historical Figures while Saber is the most robotic Character.

Characters from Psycho-Pass are Literature Book people in Human Form.

Characters from Gargantia are just......Ledo is Poorman`s Chirico from Votoms, the girls are tanned sluts that appeal to horny otakus.

Characters from Aldnoah Zero are Gundam Characters Ripped-off but million times more robotic and Plot Device characters are all over the place.

DateYutaka said:


i never mentioed sales im talking general pop cultre impact shw most Japanese over the age of 30 a picture of either char or teh rx 78 and most will know what it is

i cannot say that about people with nay watabnae chacter at all

i enerv said sales once

Hellsoldier said:


Well, admittedly Watanabe's impact is, as I mentioned earlier, more of a western thing. Tomino is behind Gundam, which was a culltural phenomena like no other. Tomino was more successful at leaving a mark with the Japanese. And without a Tomino, there would be no Hideaki Anno. I guess this much is true.

NicoZeta said:


Yuasa should stop slacking and i hope he`ll direct new 1 anime per year and fans in the west will be pleased and happy.

Watanabe is a good director once but he`s now spoon feeding the fans instead of focusing on writing good story; Zankyou no Terror sucks because it`s Terrorism done wrong; the show was ruined when Five was introduced in the anime; also both MC is a Terrorist and they haven`t killed even one people

Hayao Miyazaki is the best anime movie director before Satoshi Kon; if you want to watch Hayao Miyazaki`s movies then try watching Laputa, My Neighbor Totoro, Porco Rosso, Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away.

Satoshi Kon was the best Anime Movie Director in previous decade, just check out Perfect Blue, Millenium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, Paprika.

If you want to see Osamu Dezaki`s anime then check out Rose of Versailles, Ashita no Joe, Space Cobra and Ie Nakki Ko.

You didn`t know Ichigura? he`s the one who directed Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

The only good Kyoani shows are FMP Fumoffu and Second Raid, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya season 1 and Movie.

The main problem with Madoka Magica is not the story, the characters itself are the main problem just because they aren`t actual characters, they`re all plot device with no personality.

I actually like Nanoha because it`s a refreshing Magical Girl anime about Magical Girl with the combination of Sci-fi meets Magic; the fanservice doesn`t bother me after all; Nanoha went downhill after 2nd season because both main characters are no longer lolis.

GITS SAC is far the best Cyberpunk Anime of all time with high production values and beautiful visuals.

GITS Arise is bad because it`s a bad attempt to milk the franchise and the new Motoko design looks so ugly that she looks like a different person.

Psycho-Pass is not great just because the characters are like Books in Human form, The characters are quoting the most famous quotes in Famous Literature Books; the Dialogue is so fucking Pretentious it`s making me facepalm; the characters don`t tell their own motivations and goals; they just quote random famous quotes on Literature books after all; Akane`s Character Development is forced and fake, it`s not character development, that`s a character rewrite by swapping roles after Kougami disappeared.

Urobuchi is the most overrated Anime Director in History, he`s way more popular than Tezuka our God of Anime and Manga.
Urobuchi don`t know how to write actual characters, every single character he writes are annoying Plot Devices.

In Madoka Magica, the girls are puppets instead of normal girls; Kaname Madoka is a Crybaby Observer instead of normal teenage girl; victimizing the characters make the show worse, it`s not tragedy, that`s Shock Factor.

Characters from Fate/Zero are Cartoonish Historical Figures while Saber is the most robotic Character.

Characters from Psycho-Pass are Literature Book people in Human Form.

Characters from Gargantia are just......Ledo is Poorman`s Chirico from Votoms, the girls are tanned sluts that appeal to horny otakus.

Characters from Aldnoah Zero are Gundam Characters Ripped-off but million times more robotic and Plot Device characters are all over the place.

DateYutaka said:



lol miyazaki did not od grave of the fireflies

DateYutaka said:



what has any watabame done to genrial westen pop culture

i was talking about people outside of anime fandom


Tomino had this