Infatuate said: PoeticJustice said: What the fuck is pretentious homosexualism? If you don't like the show, use logic and reason instead of incomprehensible bullshit bro. Oh look, one of those dipshit elitists got offended. Those scenes were uncalled for both for the impact and for the build up of that fictional world, yet there they are just because Shinsekai Yori is pretending to be deep and groundbreaking as a title. Completely meaningless and also senseless, like most of what happens in there. Nigga, you type like a 5 year old. You don't explain shit. Making blanket statements without expanding or why or giving examples? Elitist? Lol. No I am calling you out on your bullshit. |
Infatuate said: PoeticJustice said: What the fuck is pretentious homosexualism? If you don't like the show, use logic and reason instead of incomprehensible bullshit bro. Oh look, one of those dipshit elitists got offended. Those scenes were uncalled for both for the impact and for the build up of that fictional world, yet there they are just because Shinsekai Yori is pretending to be deep and groundbreaking as a title. Completely meaningless and also senseless, like most of what happens in there. I would still like to know what the fuck "Pretencious homosexuality" Is. |
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Infatuate said: I just explained it to you but as expected, shortsightedness wins this one. Maybe if you stop mashing the keys in anger because I wasn't 'tolerant' or I bashed your favorite obscure show, you would've noticed my point. "Those scenes were uncalled for both for the impact and for the build up of that fictional world, yet there they are just because Shinsekai Yori is pretending to be deep and groundbreaking as a title." This is not an explanation. What is this explaining? A vague statement which indicates you know jack shit about anything? My favorite show? Lol sure. I know you didnt expect to be called out on your shit. If you leveled valid criticisms, like the characters being weak, I wouldn't have said anything lol. |
Shrabster said: I don't think either of us want to continue this discussion at this point so I'll end with this- That's a very basic reading that could literally be applied to any story where there is powerful rich and weak poor (or any class system really) and it hardly matches the initial claims of "Attack on Titan says a lot more about real topics than most animes even pretend to." I think I'll go watch There Will Be Blood if a want a story about greed, corruption, or etc. It can't literally be applied to any story because most stories don't cover the self-defeating mindset of the poor like Attack on Titan does. There Will Be Blood is one of my favorite movies ever, but it's more of a personal tale which doesn't dig that deep into the machinations of society. Yes it's about greed, corruption, etc as you have stated but it takes a microcosmic and moralistic approach. Attack on Titan greatly differs on both accounts. I'm not saying one method is better, but the TWBB method seems to be quite a bit more common, to where it takes a special case like TWBB to actually make it work. In AoT it's more like "yeah the greed and corruption is there but the hierarchy is self-enabled by the underclass", which is a take that is absent from most media aimed at a younger demographic which tend to favor "the little guys are all innocent victims under enslavement by the rich". There was a distinct set of circumstances which led to the conditions and both the "complacent" and the ruling are pieces of a bigger picture. The rich are not really portrayed as inherently worse than the poor who jeer the returning soldiers, and you can tell that if their positions were to reverse, the same systems would continue. So it's actually humanity at battle against human nature, which has to break out of the dysfunctional stagnant system which is oppressing humanity as a whole, not just the poor. People with power prioritizing short-term gains ahead of long-term goals of humanity is not "evil", but a destructive force born from human nature which is amplified by the hierarchy. |
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Working_Designs said: Wings of Honneamise - All I can say is, good luck getting through this without falling asleep, because this is probably the most boring thing I've ever seen. Wings of Honneamise does have some dull moments, I'll give you that. However, it seems like you either didn't understand what the movie is about or you expected it to be more action-oriented. At least that's the vibe I'm getting from your "most boring thing" comment. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
PoeticJustice said: Infatuate said: I just explained it to you but as expected, shortsightedness wins this one. Maybe if you stop mashing the keys in anger because I wasn't 'tolerant' or I bashed your favorite obscure show, you would've noticed my point. "Those scenes were uncalled for both for the impact and for the build up of that fictional world, yet there they are just because Shinsekai Yori is pretending to be deep and groundbreaking as a title." This is not an explanation. What is this explaining? A vague statement which indicates you know jack shit about anything? My favorite show? Lol sure. I know you didnt expect to be called out on your shit. If you leveled valid criticisms, like the characters being weak, I wouldn't have said anything lol. I did mention more stuff but clearly you got so butthurt over that one that you decided to nitpick, disregarding everything else. A rational human being would've understood what to you is just "a vague statement". I have no intention of explaining myself further because a. it would be lost on a dumbshit like you and b. you're not worth it to actually write a dedicated and carefully detailed post so your slow brain can process it about 30 mins later, that is if you don't disregard it somewhere before that mark. |
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Infatuate said: PoeticJustice said: "Those scenes were uncalled for both for the impact and for the build up of that fictional world, yet there they are just because Shinsekai Yori is pretending to be deep and groundbreaking as a title." This is not an explanation. What is this explaining? A vague statement which indicates you know jack shit about anything? My favorite show? Lol sure. I know you didnt expect to be called out on your shit. If you leveled valid criticisms, like the characters being weak, I wouldn't have said anything lol. I did mention more stuff but clearly you got so butthurt over that one that you decided to nitpick, disregarding everything else. A rational human being would've understood what to you is just "a vague statement". I have no intention of explaining myself further because a. it would be lost on a dumbshit like you and b. you're not worth it to actually write a dedicated and carefully detailed post so your slow brain can process it about 30 mins later, that is if you don't disregard it somewhere before that mark. I am pretty sure you caused at least 10 deaths with how mindbogglingly retarded this post is. Go back to third grade mothafucker, because you clearly failed that shit. Christ, why do I talk to cockroaches like this? |
kallah said: Working_Designs said: Wings of Honneamise - All I can say is, good luck getting through this without falling asleep, because this is probably the most boring thing I've ever seen. Wings of Honneamise does have some dull moments, I'll give you that. However, it seems like you either didn't understand what the movie is about or you expected it to be more action-oriented. At least that's the vibe I'm getting from your "most boring thing" comment. Correct me if I'm wrong. Well, the last time I saw it was in 1998, and I was 10 years old then, so maybe if I watched it now, I would appreciate it a little more. But I do like action/adventure a lot, and I'm not big on dialogue heavy stuff. |
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PoeticJustice said: Infatuate said: I did mention more stuff but clearly you got so butthurt over that one that you decided to nitpick, disregarding everything else. A rational human being would've understood what to you is just "a vague statement". I have no intention of explaining myself further because a. it would be lost on a dumbshit like you and b. you're not worth it to actually write a dedicated and carefully detailed post so your slow brain can process it about 30 mins later, that is if you don't disregard it somewhere before that mark. I am pretty sure you caused at least 10 deaths with how mindbogglingly retarded this post is. Go back to third grade mothafucker, because you clearly failed that shit. Christ, why do I talk to cockroaches like this? Because you're incredibly butthurt, that's why. You even fail at trying to formulate an ad-hominem rebuttal. Anyway, go be a happy waste of oxygen elsewhere, I'm done with you like I said. Edit: Shinsekai Yori is garbage, there I did it again. With some luck that statement might induce enough rage so you can finally off yourself. |
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DrCoppelius said: masterofgo said: Yes, I think it's pretty good on its atmosphere and visuals alone. I was merely saying that I thought that its main themes and messages were relatively simplistic and not particularly compelling. I also disagree that its usage of religious symbolism is ornamental. I think it'd be fair to say that for NGE, but religion, specifically Christianity, is at the forefront of what the anime is about. I don't think it's coincidental that one of the most "important" scenes in the film is a direct quoting of Genesis, not to mention most of the scenes in the movie in general have various important religious implications straight in the center of those scenes. It's worth noting that Mamoru Oshii trained for priesthood for a time and eventually lost his faith. I've seen the argument that Angel's Egg is symbolic for his loss of faith. Whilst I do know my Bible to a point (never read it, but I've read a kid's version at least a hundred times and I know the gist of it), I don't really understand Angel's Egg. If it is symbolic, I doubt it's the sort of thing one can simply understand by reading the Bible through once or twice. I agree that it's likely 'deep', but not really for just anyone. Of course, that's not meant to be a pretentious statement, just a remark that a religious work directed by a would-be priest is likely too advanced for someone with little to no religious knowledge to understand. I look at it more as spiritual dimension on top of the existing film which essentially an animated painting with a soundtrack. I really don't think Oshii had a particular large-scale vision in mind for his Christian references, but at different points he wanted to use the palette of Christianity to add touches beyond the pure visual. I called it ornamental. Maybe that was a poor choice of words, but I hope that at least I have made myself a bit clearer. It is both another dimension and a punctuation, but I still feel the movie is more of a "journey with spiritual elements" rather than a "spiritual journey", if that makes any sense. I took it as a very personal work where he's trying to represent a stream of consciousness with some spiritual thoughts thrown in. I didn't even know he had trained for priesthood at the time though. |
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Infatuate said: PoeticJustice said: I am pretty sure you caused at least 10 deaths with how mindbogglingly retarded this post is. Go back to third grade mothafucker, because you clearly failed that shit. Christ, why do I talk to cockroaches like this? Because you're incredibly butthurt, that's why. You even fail at trying to formulate an ad-hominem rebuttal. Anyway, go be a happy waste of oxygen elsewhere, I'm done with you like I said. Edit: Shinsekai Yori is garbage, there I did it again. With some luck that statement might induce enough rage so you can finally off yourself. I see why you are so mad. If I was this stupid all the time, I would be mad too. I wish you the best. Go forth, my child. |
PoeticJustice said: Infatuate said: Oh look, one of those dipshit elitists got offended. Those scenes were uncalled for both for the impact and for the build up of that fictional world, yet there they are just because Shinsekai Yori is pretending to be deep and groundbreaking as a title. Completely meaningless and also senseless, like most of what happens in there. Nigga, you type like a 5 year old. You don't explain shit. Making blanket statements without expanding or why or giving examples? Elitist? Lol. No I am calling you out on your bullshit. When someone says that something is meaningless, you're supposed to respond by showing how it is, in some sense or another, meaningful. Then you launch into your tirade of insults. The relationships in SSY did come across as forced, but that might have been due to the weakness of the characters. As soon as they begin to show some sort of development, we're suddenly thrust years into the future and shown the characters in their own love triangles that apparently developed in the interim. In most shows, we're given development into relationships. We see characters fall for each other. In SSY, they're sort of arbitrarily paired up during time that is never shown. Oh, btw, this character now likes this one because shutup, please be distracted by the fact that they're bisexual instead of questioning what it is these two blank slates like about each other because we can't be assed developing these relationships. |
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Infatuate said: I just explained it to you but as expected, shortsightedness wins this one. Maybe if you stop mashing the keys in anger because I wasn't 'tolerant' or I bashed your favorite obscure show, you would've noticed my point. Your point stinks but I'm glad you're feeling superior. |
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AttackOnTetris said: I disagree, you can argue the theme of complacency (the weak being the enablers) in any story where there is a weaker and more powerful class. I have yet to see Attack on Titan make a specific point to highlight this more so than other stories that are similar or have similar themes. We see that everyone is jaded, cynical, and overall complacent in Attack on Titan but that's common among apocalyptic and dysatopian stories.Shrabster said: I don't think either of us want to continue this discussion at this point so I'll end with this- That's a very basic reading that could literally be applied to any story where there is powerful rich and weak poor (or any class system really) and it hardly matches the initial claims of "Attack on Titan says a lot more about real topics than most animes even pretend to." I think I'll go watch There Will Be Blood if a want a story about greed, corruption, or etc. It can't literally be applied to any story because most stories don't cover the self-defeating mindset of the poor like Attack on Titan does. There Will Be Blood is one of my favorite movies ever, but it's more of a personal tale which doesn't dig that deep into the machinations of society. Yes it's about greed, corruption, etc as you have stated but it takes a microcosmic and moralistic approach. Attack on Titan greatly differs on both accounts. I'm not saying one method is better, but the TWBB method seems to be quite a bit more common, to where it takes a special case like TWBB to actually make it work. In AoT it's more like "yeah the greed and corruption is there but the hierarchy is self-enabled by the underclass", which is a take that is absent from most media aimed at a younger demographic which tend to favor "the little guys are all innocent victims under enslavement by the rich". There was a distinct set of circumstances which led to the conditions and both the "complacent" and the ruling are pieces of a bigger picture. The rich are not really portrayed as inherently worse than the poor who jeer the returning soldiers, and you can tell that if their positions were to reverse, the same systems would continue. So it's actually humanity at battle against human nature, which has to break out of the dysfunctional stagnant system which is oppressing humanity as a whole, not just the poor. People with power prioritizing short-term gains ahead of long-term goals of humanity is not "evil", but a destructive force born from human nature which is amplified by the hierarchy. |
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Tylaen said: Infatuate said: I just explained it to you but as expected, shortsightedness wins this one. Maybe if you stop mashing the keys in anger because I wasn't 'tolerant' or I bashed your favorite obscure show, you would've noticed my point. Your point stinks but I'm glad you're feeling superior. What was the purpose of the homosexuality in that show? It served absolutely no purpose. It did not enrich the story or the overall world build-up. It was placed there in my opinion so that viewers could feel that Shinsekai Yori was a different kind of show, one that would go as far as showcasing 'that' kind of scenes, one that was not afraid of trying new things for the sake of 'depth', one that was sure to delight even that audience for its audacity. Because at the end of the day, whether characters forced their affection in that way or not, it wouldn't matter. Maria might've been the MC's best friend and the emotional impact would've been the same (just as weak). That to me is pretentious. Trying to pretend to be a much deeper and groundbreaking anime than they actually are, by placing themes that weren't even supposed to be there into the mix. AzureDaora said: I believe the gayness was implemented to prevent teen pregnancy, or I'm just remembering wrong. This is supported by the fact that they all turn straight at the end. The point was to suppress any possible cantus killing intent, iirc. Just a sad excuse to include themes that didn't belong in a show like this, for the sake of artificially becoming '2deep5u'. |
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DrCoppelius said: I see it pretty much exactly how you see it actually, regardless of the director's intent. It's a very good movie to me. I just wanted to say that arguing about the Christian references is kinda, well, weird because I don't think very many people are qualified to argue about them. Is it deep? I dunno. I imagine Oshii would know better than I. Well yeah, in the end it's just a guess and I can just say what I got out of it as the end viewer, and it happened to resonate at my personal frequency as a stream-of-consciousness film. Even so, the spiritual and sensory textures within the journey have a certain depth to them which doesn't need to be defined in an authoritative, concrete analysis. And I'm pretty sure you could show it to the Pope and he still wouldn't completely know what to make of it because many things can be taken in different ways. So the answers will eternally rest within Oshii's head, if they're still even there, and it's better that way, because the movie is already somewhat detached from Oshii in its ambiguity. |
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DrCoppelius said: AttackOnTetris said: I look at it more as spiritual dimension on top of the existing film which essentially an animated painting with a soundtrack. I really don't think Oshii had a particular large-scale vision in mind for his Christian references, but at different points he wanted to use the palette of Christianity to add touches beyond the pure visual. I called it ornamental. Maybe that was a poor choice of words, but I hope that at least I have made myself a bit clearer. It is both another dimension and a punctuation, but I still feel the movie is more of a "journey with spiritual elements" rather than a "spiritual journey", if that makes any sense. I took it as a very personal work where he's trying to represent a stream of consciousness with some spiritual thoughts thrown in. I didn't even know he had trained for priesthood at the time though. I see it pretty much exactly how you see it actually, regardless of the director's intent. It's a very good movie to me. I just wanted to say that arguing about the Christian references is kinda, well, weird because I don't think very many people are qualified to argue about them. Is it deep? I dunno. I imagine Oshii would know better than me. Does the egg represent the director's faith, or perhaps a woman's control over her own sexuality? Why were people fishing for shadows of fish? Was it a suggestion that there is nothing of substance left for them to seek? That they're chasing apparitions? Was either character the director self inserting? Did he perhaps see himself as the man, and his future congregation as the woman? I disagree with almost every conclusion the director draws, but the journey he takes us on in that movie is a very real one, and the symbolism used was very well thought out. |
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Infatuate said: Tylaen said: Your point stinks but I'm glad you're feeling superior. What was the purpose of the homosexuality in that show? There needs to be a purpose for sexuality In a show...? Colour me surprised. I ponder if straight pretenciousness Is a thing yet...Da'hum. |
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Tylaen said: Infatuate said: What was the purpose of the homosexuality in that show? There needs to be a purpose for sexuality In a show...? Colour me surprised. I ponder if straight pretenciousness Is a thing yet...Da'hum. Seeing how it is almost impossible to find in any anime without the shounen ai tags, yes. You're gay right? Only excuse for you to be this annoyed. I gave you my explanation and as expected, nitpicking was had. It was a waste of time after all. |
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Infatuate said: Tylaen said: There needs to be a purpose for sexuality In a show...? Colour me surprised. I ponder if straight pretenciousness Is a thing yet...Da'hum. Seeing how it is almost impossible to find in any anime without the shounen ai tags, yes. You're gay right? Only excuse for you to be this annoyed. I'm straight, actually. I just think your buzzword Is stupid. |
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Tylaen said: Infatuate said: Seeing how it is almost impossible to find in any anime without the shounen ai tags, yes. You're gay right? Only excuse for you to be this annoyed. I'm straight, actually. I just think your buzzword Is stupid. It's not a buzzword, I only said it once lol. |
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| You think Shinsekai Yori presented homosexuality as a theme? It was like, there for 1 episode. It isn't even referred to as much. A theme is supposed to be a point of the show, right? I don't think gay people doing gay stuff in one single episode means that they have it as a theme. A theme would mean it would either present a conclusion to this specific theme or question something with this theme. They only acted gay. If it was a theme they would, you know, actually talk about it if it was. Other than their actions, the show didn't talk about it whatsoever. Again, it's more worldbuilding, if anything. |
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AzureDaora said: You think Shinsekai Yori presented homosexuality as a theme? It was like, there for 1 episode. It isn't even referred to as much. A theme is supposed to be a point of the show, right? I don't think gay people doing gay stuff in one single episode means that they have it as a theme. They would, you know, actually talk about it if it was. Other than their actions, the show didn't talk about it whatsoever. Again, it's more worldbuilding, if anything. It's not an easy theme to simply go on and put on the board. Highly controversial to say the least, especially when you didn't sign up for that (nobody saw that coming). If it was only going to be there for 1 ep then... what was the point? Just to be edgy or different? |
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Tylaen said: Infatuate said: What was the purpose of the homosexuality in that show? There needs to be a purpose for sexuality In a show...? Colour me surprised. I ponder if straight pretenciousness Is a thing yet...Da'hum. If aspects of a show are chosen arbitrarily or without purpose, it's not a mature show. For example I suspect that (I still haven't finished the show pls don't spoil it) there is significant purpose to why there are 'rat people' and why they are 'rats' specifically, but I won't know for sure until the end. I think that the sexuality of the protagonists was chosen for the sake of an edginess that is easily palatable to their target audience (i.e. us 90's kids and those born after). Infatuate said: If it was only going to be there for 1 ep then... what was the point? Just to be edgy or different? Exactly, it's like they were ticking a box on a list of things they arbitrarily decided to add. |
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Shrabster said: I disagree, you can argue the theme of complacency in any story where there is a weaker and more powerful class being an enabler. I have yet to see Attack on Titan make a specific point to highlight this more so than other stories that are similar or have similar themes. We see that everyone is jaded, cynical, and overall complacent in Attack on Titan but that's common among apocalyptic and dysatopian stories. Well yes, it's not in your face with it and maybe I'm more sensitive to it because it connects with my worldview. I guess if viewers like you aren't noticing it then it may not be doing the best job at conveying the message, but for me it just hits that right nerve. You don't seem to be particularly interested in politics and the like so it may be just best to end it here. |
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PoeticJustice said: "Those scenes were uncalled for both for the impact and for the build up of that fictional world, yet there they are just because Shinsekai Yori is pretending to be deep and groundbreaking as a title." This is not an explanation. What is this explaining? A vague statement which indicates you know jack shit about anything? My favorite show? Lol sure. I know you didnt expect to be called out on your shit. If you leveled valid criticisms, like the characters being weak, I wouldn't have said anything lol. It's gets me all hot and bothered when you just fucking dunk randoms on the AD forums, like seriously cut that shit out. |
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Infatuate said: Well, I'm pretty sure that if they started to show it like... THAT, they wouldn't be afraid to talk about it. One thing I like about anime is that the themes have little to no limitations. Go watch Hourou Musuko. I don't think they limited it(assuming that it's a theme).AzureDaora said: You think Shinsekai Yori presented homosexuality as a theme? It was like, there for 1 episode. It isn't even referred to as much. A theme is supposed to be a point of the show, right? I don't think gay people doing gay stuff in one single episode means that they have it as a theme. They would, you know, actually talk about it if it was. Other than their actions, the show didn't talk about it whatsoever. Again, it's more worldbuilding, if anything. It's not an easy theme to simply go on and put on the board. Highly controversial to say the least, especially when you didn't sign up for that (nobody saw that coming). If it was only going to be there for 1 ep then... what was the point? Just to be edgy or different? don't read this icirate [spoiler] It was to foreshadow how different and edited the current humans are. I'm not sure I remember right, but I know of one thing is that they humans are edited to act sexually when they experience stress, to relieve tension. That was something that rainbow unicorn said. If I remember right, it was to prevent teen pregnancy. Hence when they became adults, they turned straight since they're not teens anymore. |
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AzureDaora said: You think Shinsekai Yori presented homosexuality as a theme? It was like, there for 1 episode. It isn't even referred to as much. A theme is supposed to be a point of the show, right? I don't think gay people doing gay stuff in one single episode means that they have it as a theme. A theme would mean it would either present a conclusion to this specific theme or question something with this theme. They only acted gay. If it was a theme they would, you know, actually talk about it if it was. Other than their actions, the show didn't talk about it whatsoever. Again, it's more worldbuilding, if anything. Great post bruh. This one and the one before. The characters were pretty weak an d were mostly used to represent concepts and ideals. The gay shit was just for worldbuilding. |
Infatuate said: What was the purpose of the homosexuality in that show? [spoiler] Did you not read into the whole overarching plot regarding the quelling of birth-rates and the general making of children within the overarching society created? That would be a reason, in essence, for the proctors of said society to encourage homosexual relations between kids teens, treating it as a normal phase in order to offer it in some form of ubiquity.[/quote] Shinsekai Yori could be considered pretentious, in the sense that it is, in many ways, a show that intends and coaxes the viewership into delving into the themes and world presented, rather than merely consuming them. Whether you think this is good or bad has to do with your perception of entertainment. |
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icirate said: If aspects of a show are chosen arbitrarily or without purpose, it's not a mature show. I think that the sexuality of the protagonists was chosen for the sake of an edginess that is easily palatable to their target audience (i.e. us 90's kids and those born after). If it was only going to be there for 1 ep then... what was the point? Just to be edgy or different? Exactly, it's like they were ticking a box on a list of things they arbitrarily decided to add. Sexuality Is decided pretty randomly In life too. I find the notion that sexuality needs a "purpose" In the plot to be insulting in itself, especially since straight characters don't need a justification albeit this Is a moral case for me. What the writer did and didn't think will unfortunately be unknown to us. |
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glassthroat said: RahXephon was a fucking snorefest, had its moments tho. |
AzureDaora said: Infatuate said: Well, I'm pretty sure that if they started to show it like... THAT, they wouldn't be afraid to talk about it. One thing I like about anime is that the themes have little to no limitations. Go watch Hourou Musuko. I don't think they limited it(assuming that it's a theme).It's not an easy theme to simply go on and put on the board. Highly controversial to say the least, especially when you didn't sign up for that (nobody saw that coming). If it was only going to be there for 1 ep then... what was the point? Just to be edgy or different? don't read this icirate [spoiler] It was to foreshadow how different and edited the current humans are. I'm not sure I remember right, but I know of one thing is that they humans are edited to act sexually when they experience stress, to relieve tension. That was something that rainbow unicorn said. If I remember right, it was to prevent teen pregnancy. Hence when they became adults, they turned straight since they're not teens anymore. This. The homosexuality made sense in context of the plot, because human genetic engineering lead to this behavior in humans. It was used as a tool to benefit humanity. This show is very logical and scientific. It shows exactly how different people think differently, but at the same time laying down objective facts next to these opinions. Homosexuality isnt "bad" in anyway. Its actually used to benefit humanity in this specific case. It doesnt matter if you think its unnatural or wrong. The truths of the world continue to exist whether or not you believe in it or not. A show that puts so much emphasis on something as advanced and unnatural as genetic engineering should not be judged on baseless opinion, morals, or spiritual and religious values. |
ModeratelyHumanJul 28, 2015 10:46 PM
Feaor said: HeroKenzan said: Why would anyone want to watch a show about a bunch of boring Mary Sues in space?have you seen it? So you can brag about it, Silly. Just beware of pretentious homosexuality. |
| Wait. Some people actually think NGNL is intelligent? ...why? It's an enjoyable show, but how the hell is it intelligent. It just has smart characters. |
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AzureDaora said: Wait. Some people actually think NGNL is intelligent? ...why? It's an enjoyable show, but how the hell is it intelligent. It just has smart characters. Intelligent characters = intelligent show. Obviously. |
| If you define "intelligent" as it pertains to a show in a certain way, NGNL can easily be considered such. If you're looking for edgy, Christian symbolism, look elsewhere though. |
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AttackOnTetris said: If you define "intelligent" as it pertains to a show in a certain way, NGNL can easily be considered such. If you're looking for edgy, Christian symbolism, look elsewhere though. Damn, wtf did eva do to you? |
PoeticJustice said: You're riteAzureDaora said: Wait. Some people actually think NGNL is intelligent? ...why? It's an enjoyable show, but how the hell is it intelligent. It just has smart characters. Intelligent characters = intelligent show. Obviously. How could have I been so blind |
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AzureDaora said: PoeticJustice said: You're riteIntelligent characters = intelligent show. Obviously. How could have I been so blind Get some glasses for your blindness. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
| SAO is actually far more intelligent than it gets credit for. The virtual reality concept is very intricate and has a realistic grasp on the possibilities of both the future of gaming as well as the technological industry. There are also interesting themes brought to light by how much a game can truly influence one's behavior and morals. |
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