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Jun 20, 2015 7:09 AM
#251
Perfect! Just Absolutely perfect end to S2! The 50 days(5 months for me) journey was brilliant to say the least. While I do admit the fight was a bit of a let down in the end, I still enjoyed it. The Anime ended just the way I wanted it, so I can't complain. I'm REALLY sad that there isn't any teaser for Diamond though. Hope it gets animated soon. I NEED MY JOJO FILL! ;-; |
Jun 20, 2015 7:46 AM
#252
What an awesome last episode.. Dio's fight is hand down the best fight in the entire series so far.. While i feel the finishing blow is a little bit underwhelming (should be use ora ora IMO), it's still a great ones. Afterward we also saw that Joseph brought back to life, and the first thing he did after get revive is pretending to be possessed by DIO XD XD XD This oldman never fails to amuse me.. He still like to troll even in his old age.. The parting between Jotaro, Joseph, and Polnareff is really a touching moment IMO.. Too bad the crew already lost a half of their members along with the journey, nonetheless it's an awesome journey.. And since i haven't read the manga, i don't know any hint they throw in the previous episodes, but it's a little bit sad that they didn't give us Part 4 teaser like back in the JJBA (2012) when we get the scene of Jotaro in the cell.. I still hope they'll reconsider to animated part 4 though.. Overall a great episode and a great series.. While at the beginning it could felt slow or boring if we watch it weekly (I marathoning the 1st season so i don't feel like this) but the second season is definitely superb, especially vanilla ice and dio's world episodes.. Really hope that DP will continue the part 4 anime and i would definitely watch it.. So long JoJo.. till we meet again :') Episode : 5/5 Series : 10/10 |
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Jun 20, 2015 8:29 AM
#253
Akabawi said: Zuihou said: Alternative ending. Now to start reading Part 4 since I'm not going to wait for a possible Part 4 adaptation. Is it weird that this made me tear up? Not at all. It's been a hell of a ride and we lost some great friends on the journey. |
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Jun 20, 2015 9:44 AM
#254
Champloo_Remix said: As long as there's a reasonable explanation for that my only gripe is Jotaro being able to stop time let alone for as long as he did without any training on the spot was definetely a big asspull but he's the MC so what can you do I guess. Yes I agree. I thought their stands shouldn't have been able to be so similar between each other, but especially that he would have been able to stop the time too. Well since he could move in the frozen time it makes sense, but during the combat Jotaro talked about his current ability in terms of seconds, like a skill that requires training. I'm still satisfied because the combat was really good overall with lots of surprises; but generally there have always been some kind of strategy and tricks until now, so I expected something different without relying on a stand clone. But maybe it was really impossible against that kind of power Akabawi said: RarestProGamer said: He did it twice in the show. Episode 1 and Episode D'arby.- I find the ending bit plain and dull. I was expected the longest, the badass and the coolest "ora ora ora ora ora" yet. All it ended with a single punch! -Moreover, I find some holes too. By the start of episode 22, jotaro was like a small fry to dio but gradually he overpowered by the end and even learned the ability to stop time too out of nowhere! Also Dio gets more powerup than jotaro ever had , Dio gets to 10 seconds. I thought these scenes were just super fast movements. And Dio's powerup was helped by Joseph's blood so it was somehow reasonable |
Jun 20, 2015 12:30 PM
#255
This was really good, i'll miss JoJo, but i was really at least expecting a teaser, i guess we just gotta wait again |
Jun 20, 2015 1:33 PM
#256
Akabawi said: RarestProGamer said: He did it twice in the show. Episode 1 and Episode D'arby.- I find the ending bit plain and dull. I was expected the longest, the badass and the coolest "ora ora ora ora ora" yet. All it ended with a single punch! -Moreover, I find some holes too. By the start of episode 22, jotaro was like a small fry to dio but gradually he overpowered by the end and even learned the ability to stop time too out of nowhere! Also Dio gets more powerup than jotaro ever had , Dio gets to 10 seconds. Wait, he stopped time before? |
Jun 20, 2015 2:22 PM
#257
I didn't like this season much but the last couple of episodes were really good. I find the finale to be the best out of the 3 parts so far. |
Jun 20, 2015 4:20 PM
#258
RapidEyeMovement said: Akabawi said: RarestProGamer said: - I find the ending bit plain and dull. I was expected the longest, the badass and the coolest "ora ora ora ora ora" yet. All it ended with a single punch! -Moreover, I find some holes too. By the start of episode 22, jotaro was like a small fry to dio but gradually he overpowered by the end and even learned the ability to stop time too out of nowhere! Also Dio gets more powerup than jotaro ever had , Dio gets to 10 seconds. Wait, he stopped time before? Yeah , that's why elder darby was terrified when he got things outta nowhere. He himself knew that even with jotaro's superspeed he can't do these stuff without him noticing , D'arby thought jotaro stopped time and changes the cards since you know he knew dio'sdio's ability. Also remember how jotaro was like so its the same type like my stand when he found out the secret. |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Jun 20, 2015 4:47 PM
#259
Zuihou said: Alternative ending. Now to start reading Part 4 since I'm not going to wait for a possible Part 4 adaptation. I bet Kakyoin dies on the plane trip back to Japan, just like his ending in the Capcom video game. =P |
Jun 20, 2015 4:49 PM
#260
It's sad to see it come to a close. I've been waiting to see this fight since Stardust Crusaders was announced but now that it's gone, I can't help but be disappointed I won't have Jojo Friday to look forward to. Bravo to David Production though. This adaptation absolutely sucked me in and made me feel like I was experiencing the story for the first time all over again. Part 3 might be my least favorite Part, but DIO's World is without a doubt one of, if not my favorite arcs/fights in the whole series. I have to admit, I'm a little surprised that people aren't complaining about Jotaro stopping time in the end there. |
Jun 20, 2015 4:55 PM
#261
Akabawi said: Yeah , that's why elder darby was terrified when he got things outta nowhere. He himself knew that even with jotaro's superspeed he can't do these stuff without him noticing , D'arby thought jotaro stopped time and changes the cards since you know he knew dio'sdio's ability. Also remember how jotaro was like so its the same type like my stand when he found out the secret. Lol that's complete bullshit. Jotaro's stopping time is a major asspull, there is nothing more to it. A while back, I thought maybe it's because Dio has a Joester body, so it means Jotaro would share the same stand abilities, which is a lot more logical, than your bs, but it begs the question, why didn't Joseph have similar abilities. |
Jun 20, 2015 5:10 PM
#262
Akabawi said: Also remember how jotaro was like so its the same type like my stand when he found out the secret. This. Jotaro himself discovered the power. Probably just by chance as DIO did. And then he became further proficient as he experienced stopped time while fighting DIO. And even if he didn't discover it before hand, it's still overly obvious that at the very least, he discovered the power early in his fight against DIO. All of the clues are there. |
Jun 20, 2015 5:14 PM
#263
Based Al Yankovic https://instagram.com/p/4KYC8sGu_1/ Also the tag makes it even more funnier :D |
Jun 20, 2015 5:17 PM
#264
DP truly delivered with this last episode. I'm so happy. Although no teaser for part 4?! whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy (read: wryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy) Also I'm so sad that this journey is over ;__; why can't I hold all these ORAORAORA's |
Jun 20, 2015 5:28 PM
#265
tsudecimo said: Akabawi said: Yeah , that's why elder darby was terrified when he got things outta nowhere. He himself knew that even with jotaro's superspeed he can't do these stuff without him noticing , D'arby thought jotaro stopped time and changes the cards since you know he knew dio'sdio's ability. Also remember how jotaro was like so its the same type like my stand when he found out the secret. Lol that's complete bullshit. Jotaro's stopping time is a major asspull, there is nothing more to it. A while back, I thought maybe it's because Dio has a Joester body, so it means Jotaro would share the same stand abilities, which is a lot more logical, than your bs, but it begs the question, why didn't Joseph have similar abilities. Well Dio's sharing the joestar powers does not contradict anything I just said that Jotaro knew about his timestop and that he used it before , in fact it makes the D'arbys fight make more sense with him getting weird things outta nowhere, after all every character always hid some kind of trump card to their stand , it's no surprise to have jotaro do that , Also it would make way more sense in the context of the fight that when jotaro just approached dio , jotaro isn't polnareff and he always has been a calculating person , he wouldn't do stupid stuff. Also the point where he just sticks the magnet just says to me that after he found out what Dio's stand is , Jotaro was confident that he would be able to move inside stopped time. Also remember he is the one who said *So it's the same type as star platinum* with a cool head . Dio : "Can you see me ?" , Jotaro : "Who Knows , I don't know" confidently . Dio also states that jotaro's magnet was a bluff to make dio think he couldn't move inside stop time. So well , That's my argument. |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Jun 20, 2015 5:30 PM
#266
Iceblink said: Champloo_Remix said: As long as there's a reasonable explanation for that my only gripe is Jotaro being able to stop time let alone for as long as he did without any training on the spot was definetely a big asspull but he's the MC so what can you do I guess. Yes I agree. I thought their stands shouldn't have been able to be so similar between each other, but especially that he would have been able to stop the time too. Well since he could move in the frozen time it makes sense, but during the combat Jotaro talked about his current ability in terms of seconds, like a skill that requires training. I'm still satisfied because the combat was really good overall with lots of surprises; but generally there have always been some kind of strategy and tricks until now, so I expected something different without relying on a stand clone. But maybe it was really impossible against that kind of power Akabawi said: RarestProGamer said: - I find the ending bit plain and dull. I was expected the longest, the badass and the coolest "ora ora ora ora ora" yet. All it ended with a single punch! -Moreover, I find some holes too. By the start of episode 22, jotaro was like a small fry to dio but gradually he overpowered by the end and even learned the ability to stop time too out of nowhere! Also Dio gets more powerup than jotaro ever had , Dio gets to 10 seconds. I thought these scenes were just super fast movements. And Dio's powerup was helped by Joseph's blood so it was somehow reasonable Honestly I can buy that Jotaro and Dio's stands are similar if you got he route of The World would've been Jonathan's stand had he lived keeping in mind Dio is like 90% Jonathan physically at this point (from the neck down of course). So in theory it could be a Joestar lineage thing which I can totally get behind. I mean if it's not something like that it's back to making zero sense so I like that theory. Tbh it was a typically shonen trope in the ending. Jotaro gets so pissed/musters up the courage to achieve in a moment what took Dio x amount of years to master. I think some may have even seen it coming but oddly I'm not too upset about it. The bigger asspull was Dio's whole body cracking and shattering from a punch to the shin. |
Jun 20, 2015 5:34 PM
#267
Champloo_Remix said: Iceblink said: Champloo_Remix said: As long as there's a reasonable explanation for that my only gripe is Jotaro being able to stop time let alone for as long as he did without any training on the spot was definetely a big asspull but he's the MC so what can you do I guess. Yes I agree. I thought their stands shouldn't have been able to be so similar between each other, but especially that he would have been able to stop the time too. Well since he could move in the frozen time it makes sense, but during the combat Jotaro talked about his current ability in terms of seconds, like a skill that requires training. I'm still satisfied because the combat was really good overall with lots of surprises; but generally there have always been some kind of strategy and tricks until now, so I expected something different without relying on a stand clone. But maybe it was really impossible against that kind of power Akabawi said: RarestProGamer said: He did it twice in the show. Episode 1 and Episode D'arby.- I find the ending bit plain and dull. I was expected the longest, the badass and the coolest "ora ora ora ora ora" yet. All it ended with a single punch! -Moreover, I find some holes too. By the start of episode 22, jotaro was like a small fry to dio but gradually he overpowered by the end and even learned the ability to stop time too out of nowhere! Also Dio gets more powerup than jotaro ever had , Dio gets to 10 seconds. I thought these scenes were just super fast movements. And Dio's powerup was helped by Joseph's blood so it was somehow reasonable Honestly I can buy that Jotaro and Dio's stands are similar if you got he route of The World would've been Jonathan's stand had he lived keeping in mind Dio is like 90% Jonathan physically at this point (from the neck down of course). So in theory it could be a Joestar lineage thing which I can totally get behind. I mean if it's not something like that it's back to making zero sense so I like that theory. Tbh it was a typically shonen trope in the ending. Jotaro gets so pissed/musters up the courage to achieve in a moment what took Dio x amount of years to master. I think some may have even seen it coming but oddly I'm not too upset about it. The bigger asspull was Dio's whole body cracking and shattering from a punch to the shin. Eh just to say you realize that Dio learned about it like 6 months ago ? not years to master or anything . also Dio got an increase in time duration during the road roller sequence , he upped from 9 to 10 , that means that their fight did increase their span in time stopping significantly . And I still believe jotaro's time stop to be a gambit now . after all he could move for 2 seconds and seemed to be getting the third second . I always saw it as 8 + 3. since jotaro starts moving in the start of the 9th second and since dio can only move for 10 seconds therefore jotaro had 1 more second to kick his ass while dio was restrained from moving , again it's just what I believe. |
AkabawiJun 20, 2015 5:39 PM
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Jun 20, 2015 5:40 PM
#268
Akabawi said: Well Dio's sharing the joestar powers does not contradict anything I just said that Jotaro knew about his timestop and that he used it before , in fact it makes the D'arbys fight make more sense with him getting weird things outta nowhere, after all every character always hid some kind of trump card to their stand , it's no surprise to have jotaro do that , Also it would make way more sense in the context of the fight that when jotaro just approached dio , jotaro isn't polnareff and he always has been a calculating person , he wouldn't do stupid stuff. Also the point where he just sticks the magnet just says to me that after he found out what Dio's stand is , Jotaro was confident that he would be able to move inside stopped time. Also remember he is the one who said *So it's the same type as star platinum* with a cool head . Dio : "Can you see me ?" , Jotaro : "Who Knows , I don't know" confidently . Dio also states that jotaro's magnet was a bluff to make dio think he couldn't move inside stop time. So well , That's my argument. Let me just start by saying your D'arby fight thing, doesn't make sense with anything, it contradicts the fight with Dio (not to mention, there is literally no hints of it even existing, and this just pulled straight from your ass) because: A/ You are basically saying that D'arby knew about the possibility for Jotaro to stop time, but Dio himself doesn't. And he challenged someone who can stop time, which is a clear loss for him. B/ It contradicts, with Jotaro, only finding out he has this, during his fight with Dio. Not to mention, that he only first gained the ability to move for 2 seconds or so during it. It's later, he was actually able to stop time on his own (being in the sewer before Dio) C/Everything Jotaro did with D'arby, was just Star Platinum speed. It's an asspull. Realizing a couple of chapters he can do this OP ability, before actually doing it, doesn't make it any less of an asspull, that's not how planning works. It should have had foreshadowing prior to him fighting Dio. Well, it's a very shitty one, like every other argument you ever made about Jojo. I don't even see the need to make up stuff, or twist logic to explain this. It's not like it was a bad thing, that Jotaro had this ability, as there is just no other way for him or anyone to win against Dio, unless they have the same ability, it just should have had foreshadowing. |
Jun 20, 2015 5:45 PM
#269
tsudecimo said: it just should have had foreshadowing. |
Jun 20, 2015 5:47 PM
#270
The ability to move at the speed of light and the ability to stop time aren't really that different, unless you want to look at it at a super realistic physics level (which would be silly imo, since not only is it anime/manga, it's Jojo). The scene where The World stops the bullets is quite clearly supposed to foreshadow that Star Platinum can also stop time (SP stopping a bullet at point blank range earlier). Kakyoin and Jotaro both point out that The World and Star Platinum are similar stands, Jotaro is taunting him the entire fight, his ability to move within The World's ability slowly grows more powerful, etc. You can call it an asspull if you must, but it was obviously planned by Araki for some time. I won't say he knew exactly what he was going to do from chapter 1, but he definitely knew what he was going to do well before the entirety of DIO's World. Hints are thrown out left and right, honestly I find it surprising that people would even be surprised/confused by it. edit: Also, getting upset over an "asspull" in Jojo seems really silly. Pretty much every single final battle in the series ends with some crazy twist that could only be explained by Jojo logic. It's part of the fun. |
KellhusJun 20, 2015 5:51 PM
Jun 20, 2015 5:47 PM
#271
tsudecimo said: Akabawi said: Well Dio's sharing the joestar powers does not contradict anything I just said that Jotaro knew about his timestop and that he used it before , in fact it makes the D'arbys fight make more sense with him getting weird things outta nowhere, after all every character always hid some kind of trump card to their stand , it's no surprise to have jotaro do that , Also it would make way more sense in the context of the fight that when jotaro just approached dio , jotaro isn't polnareff and he always has been a calculating person , he wouldn't do stupid stuff. Also the point where he just sticks the magnet just says to me that after he found out what Dio's stand is , Jotaro was confident that he would be able to move inside stopped time. Also remember he is the one who said *So it's the same type as star platinum* with a cool head . Dio : "Can you see me ?" , Jotaro : "Who Knows , I don't know" confidently . Dio also states that jotaro's magnet was a bluff to make dio think he couldn't move inside stop time. So well , That's my argument. Let me just start by saying your D'arby fight thing, doesn't make sense with anything, it contradicts the fight with Dio (not to mention, there is literally no hints of it even existing, and this just pulled straight from your ass) because: A/ You are basically saying that D'arby knew about the possibility for Jotaro to stop time, but Dio himself doesn't. And he challenged someone who can stop time, which is a clear loss for him. B/ It contradicts, with Jotaro, only finding out he has this, during his fight with Dio. Not to mention, that he only first gained the ability to move for 2 seconds or so during it. It's later, he was actually able to stop time on his own (being in the sewer before Dio) C/Everything Jotaro did with D'arby, was just Star Platinum speed. It's an asspull. Realizing a couple of chapters he can do this OP ability, before actually doing it, doesn't make it any less of an asspull, that's not how planning works. It should have had foreshadowing prior to him fighting Dio. Well, it's a very shitty one, like every other argument you ever made about Jojo. I don't even see the need to make up stuff, or twist logic to explain this. It's not like it was a bad thing, that Jotaro had this ability, as there is just no other way for him or anyone to win against Dio, unless they have the same ability, it just should have had foreshadowing. 1- D'arby couldn't even tell Jotaro what Dio's stand is after his state, you expect he is going to tell Dio ? D'arby said that even with superspeed he would be able to see what he is doing . 2- Jotaro never said "he just found that out" which also contradicts with what Dio says . Dio himself says that Jotaro made the magnet as a double bluff to make dio think he can't move inside the stopped time which means he knew about it beforehand. Also he is the first one to state that they are the same type of stand , and he did so just after knowing what Dio's stand is. |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Jun 20, 2015 5:49 PM
#272
Jazzy_Maz said: tsudecimo said: it just should have had foreshadowing. l2read tsudecimo said: B/ It contradicts, with Jotaro, only finding out he has this, during his fight with Dio. Not to mention, that he only first gained the ability to move for 2 seconds or so during it. It's later, he was actually able to stop time on his own (being in the sewer before Dio) It's an asspull. Realizing a couple of chapters he can do this OP ability, before actually doing it, doesn't make it any less of an asspull, that's not how planning works. It should have had foreshadowing prior to him fighting Dio |
Jun 20, 2015 5:56 PM
#273
tsudecimo said: Jazzy_Maz said: tsudecimo said: it just should have had foreshadowing. l2read Regardless, that moment is still foreshadowing for the eventual reveal. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:01 PM
#274
I really don't understand how something like Jojo, can have some defensive fans like this, when the writing of the series, in terms of substance is barely there.. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:02 PM
#275
Because entertainment is a subjective matter. Different things appeal to different people. Some people find value in it that you don't. That's all there is to it. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:04 PM
#276
tsudecimo said: I really don't understand how something like Jojo, can have some defensive fans like this, when the writing of the series, in terms of substance is barely there.. k |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Jun 20, 2015 6:06 PM
#277
Jazzy_Maz said: Because entertainment is a subjective matter. Different things appeal to different people. Some people find value in it that you don't. That's all there is to it. Wasn't even my point but okay. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:08 PM
#278
tsudecimo said: I really don't understand how something like X, can have some defensive fans like this, when the writing of the series, in terms of substance is barely there.. Nice argument. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:10 PM
#279
drypants said: Jojo's Bizarre Adventure isn't something you should take seriously. Fixed |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Jun 20, 2015 6:11 PM
#280
drypants said: That manhole scene isn't something you should take seriously, much less call it foreshadowing. Did it happen in another series? because it very familiar, like I've seen it in another anime, possibly comedic. Gintama? Kellhus said: tsudecimo said: I really don't understand how something like X, can have some defensive fans like this, when the writing of the series, in terms of substance is barely there.. Nice argument. > implying you actually respond to arguments, and not just tip toe passively aggressively around them. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:12 PM
#281
tsudecimo said: Jazzy_Maz said: Because entertainment is a subjective matter. Different things appeal to different people. Some people find value in it that you don't. That's all there is to it. Wasn't even my point but okay. Then what's the point? You seem to like Naruto, no? I could say the same thing about the Naruto but that opinion is only a reflection of how I experience the series. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:14 PM
#282
tsudecimo said: I really don't understand how something like Jojo, can have some defensive fans like this, when the writing of the series, in terms of substance is barely there.. Because Jojo is a tremendous amount of amazing fun. Sorry that you hate fun. =P |
Jun 20, 2015 6:19 PM
#283
Akabawi said: Champloo_Remix said: Iceblink said: Champloo_Remix said: As long as there's a reasonable explanation for that my only gripe is Jotaro being able to stop time let alone for as long as he did without any training on the spot was definetely a big asspull but he's the MC so what can you do I guess. Yes I agree. I thought their stands shouldn't have been able to be so similar between each other, but especially that he would have been able to stop the time too. Well since he could move in the frozen time it makes sense, but during the combat Jotaro talked about his current ability in terms of seconds, like a skill that requires training. I'm still satisfied because the combat was really good overall with lots of surprises; but generally there have always been some kind of strategy and tricks until now, so I expected something different without relying on a stand clone. But maybe it was really impossible against that kind of power Akabawi said: RarestProGamer said: He did it twice in the show. Episode 1 and Episode D'arby.- I find the ending bit plain and dull. I was expected the longest, the badass and the coolest "ora ora ora ora ora" yet. All it ended with a single punch! -Moreover, I find some holes too. By the start of episode 22, jotaro was like a small fry to dio but gradually he overpowered by the end and even learned the ability to stop time too out of nowhere! Also Dio gets more powerup than jotaro ever had , Dio gets to 10 seconds. I thought these scenes were just super fast movements. And Dio's powerup was helped by Joseph's blood so it was somehow reasonable Honestly I can buy that Jotaro and Dio's stands are similar if you got he route of The World would've been Jonathan's stand had he lived keeping in mind Dio is like 90% Jonathan physically at this point (from the neck down of course). So in theory it could be a Joestar lineage thing which I can totally get behind. I mean if it's not something like that it's back to making zero sense so I like that theory. Tbh it was a typically shonen trope in the ending. Jotaro gets so pissed/musters up the courage to achieve in a moment what took Dio x amount of years to master. I think some may have even seen it coming but oddly I'm not too upset about it. The bigger asspull was Dio's whole body cracking and shattering from a punch to the shin. Eh just to say you realize that Dio learned about it like 6 months ago ? not years to master or anything . also Dio got an increase in time duration during the road roller sequence , he upped from 9 to 10 , that means that their fight did increase their span in time stopping significantly . And I still believe jotaro's time stop to be a gambit now . after all he could move for 2 seconds and seemed to be getting the third second . I always saw it as 8 + 3. since jotaro starts moving in the start of the 9th second and since dio can only move for 10 seconds therefore jotaro had 1 more second to kick his ass while dio was restrained from moving , again it's just what I believe. Regardless if it was x amount of years or months. He didn't get it at the snap of his fingers. It took time and training. The reason he was able to freeze time for longer in the last episode I thought was because of the power boost he got from attaining Joseph's blood. Jotaro didn't have a reason aside from he's the MC. Like I said. Not particularly bothered by it. I get the message. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:21 PM
#284
tsudecimo said: > implying you actually respond to arguments, and not just tip toe passively aggressively around them. I replied above. I would be more interested in your response to that, as long as it's not a line of 4chan text on MAL. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:21 PM
#285
Jazzy_Maz said: tsudecimo said: Jazzy_Maz said: Because entertainment is a subjective matter. Different things appeal to different people. Some people find value in it that you don't. That's all there is to it. Wasn't even my point but okay. Then what's the point? You seem to like Naruto, no? I could say the same thing about the Naruto but that opinion is only a reflection of how I experience the series. The point was it's Jojo specific, not about why people like a certain something. You can only the same thing about Naruto or one piece, or HxH, etc, only when you remove the ''substance writing'' remark. Whether you think those series are good or not, they have attempts at serious writing and by that I mean, they go for substance mainly, and not just style (at least till part 6) This by no means meant as a disrespect to Araki, I think he is an amazing mangaka, and puts a lot of effort into the writing of his series, but it's obvious that Jojo is meant to be stylish, fun and creative above all else, as the name suggests. My point is a bit convoluted so meh, forget about it. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:22 PM
#286
Champloo_Remix said: Akabawi said: Champloo_Remix said: Iceblink said: Champloo_Remix said: As long as there's a reasonable explanation for that my only gripe is Jotaro being able to stop time let alone for as long as he did without any training on the spot was definetely a big asspull but he's the MC so what can you do I guess. Yes I agree. I thought their stands shouldn't have been able to be so similar between each other, but especially that he would have been able to stop the time too. Well since he could move in the frozen time it makes sense, but during the combat Jotaro talked about his current ability in terms of seconds, like a skill that requires training. I'm still satisfied because the combat was really good overall with lots of surprises; but generally there have always been some kind of strategy and tricks until now, so I expected something different without relying on a stand clone. But maybe it was really impossible against that kind of power Akabawi said: RarestProGamer said: He did it twice in the show. Episode 1 and Episode D'arby.- I find the ending bit plain and dull. I was expected the longest, the badass and the coolest "ora ora ora ora ora" yet. All it ended with a single punch! -Moreover, I find some holes too. By the start of episode 22, jotaro was like a small fry to dio but gradually he overpowered by the end and even learned the ability to stop time too out of nowhere! Also Dio gets more powerup than jotaro ever had , Dio gets to 10 seconds. I thought these scenes were just super fast movements. And Dio's powerup was helped by Joseph's blood so it was somehow reasonable Honestly I can buy that Jotaro and Dio's stands are similar if you got he route of The World would've been Jonathan's stand had he lived keeping in mind Dio is like 90% Jonathan physically at this point (from the neck down of course). So in theory it could be a Joestar lineage thing which I can totally get behind. I mean if it's not something like that it's back to making zero sense so I like that theory. Tbh it was a typically shonen trope in the ending. Jotaro gets so pissed/musters up the courage to achieve in a moment what took Dio x amount of years to master. I think some may have even seen it coming but oddly I'm not too upset about it. The bigger asspull was Dio's whole body cracking and shattering from a punch to the shin. Eh just to say you realize that Dio learned about it like 6 months ago ? not years to master or anything . also Dio got an increase in time duration during the road roller sequence , he upped from 9 to 10 , that means that their fight did increase their span in time stopping significantly . And I still believe jotaro's time stop to be a gambit now . after all he could move for 2 seconds and seemed to be getting the third second . I always saw it as 8 + 3. since jotaro starts moving in the start of the 9th second and since dio can only move for 10 seconds therefore jotaro had 1 more second to kick his ass while dio was restrained from moving , again it's just what I believe. Regardless if it was x amount of years or months. He didn't get it at the snap of his fingers. It took time and training. The reason he was able to freeze time for longer in the last episode I thought was because of the power boost he got from attaining Joseph's blood. Jotaro didn't have a reason aside from he's the MC. Like I said. Not particularly bothered by it. I get the message. Yes Yes but he said he could only stop it for 9 seconds after drinking joseph's blood , he got 10 seconds after roadroller. That's just my point . Yes with this that still means Jotaro learns way faster since he got 2 more seconds from that while Dio only got 1 more second out of that fight , but I am just trying to say that the fight has been a catalyst to their time stopping powers. And that Dio's loss was because he made a wrong move. |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Jun 20, 2015 6:22 PM
#287
Akabawi said: Yeah, okay, whatever.drypants said: Jojo's Bizarre Adventure isn't something you should take seriously. Fixed tsudecimo said: It's like the same type of goofiness you'd find in some western cartoons, maybe that's why it feels familiar to you.drypants said: That manhole scene isn't something you should take seriously, much less call it foreshadowing. Did it happen in another series? because it very familiar, like I've seen it in another anime, possibly comedic. Gintama? I don't remember anything like that in Gintama. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:23 PM
#288
fluffybunnyboy said: Because Jojo is a tremendous amount of amazing fun. Sorry that you hate fun. =P I like jojo all parts (except 1 and 2) though. I gave diamond is crash, 9/10, I obviously don't hate fun :/ I also like part 3, I'm only expressing criticism, because some of the fans here annoy me. Before part 3 anime, I thought Jojo had the best fanbase. |
tsudecimoJun 20, 2015 6:27 PM
Jun 20, 2015 6:25 PM
#289
drypants said: [ tsudecimo said: It's like the same type of goofiness you'd find in some western cartoons, maybe that's why it feels familiar to you.drypants said: That manhole scene isn't something you should take seriously, much less call it foreshadowing. Did it happen in another series? because it very familiar, like I've seen it in another anime, possibly comedic. Gintama? I don't remember anything like that in Gintama. Oh right.. |
Jun 20, 2015 6:27 PM
#290
tsudecimo said: My point is a bit convoluted so meh, forget about it. Actually that kinda cleared it up. I'd still beg to differ, but it's kinda of a moot point at this stage. But I do agree to a small degree |
Jun 20, 2015 6:30 PM
#291
Champloo_Remix said: Regardless if it was x amount of years or months. He didn't get it at the snap of his fingers. It took time and training. The reason he was able to freeze time for longer in the last episode I thought was because of the power boost he got from attaining Joseph's blood. Jotaro didn't have a reason aside from he's the MC. It's because Jotaro is half Japanese, so therefore he gets Anime Proficiency +10 added to his stats. |
Jun 20, 2015 7:53 PM
#292
Honestly the reveal that Jotaro can stop time is what it is, whether you like/dislike the way it was handled. Personally I do think that it was handled pretty poorly, but I won't bother arguing if people construed it as being foreshadowed. If nothing else, it makes Star Platinum more interesting than just a stand that punches really hard and fast and might mean that anime only viewers might get more time stop antics in the future ;). TheMaster100 said: Based Al Yankovic https://instagram.com/p/4KYC8sGu_1/ Also the tag makes it even more funnier :D This makes me so very happy :') |
Jun 20, 2015 9:27 PM
#293
KONO DIO DAAAAAAAA------!!!! ...I guess, once for a while, Araki sensei has decided to make Joseph utterly dead, but regret it later, luckily. Back to the era around 1990, the Jojo series became really popular at part 3, but the style is a bit old for audience nowadays, still, it bring back the memories about the classical shounen manga, the DP adaption is a tribute to it. ...adapt with director's thought, or being faithful to the original manga, both of them has their own advantage and limit, but anyway, the face that being adapted for more than once prove how people love the Jojo series. |
Jun 20, 2015 9:48 PM
#294
WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Kinda disappointed cause Jotaro finished Dio too quickly but it was nice to see that Joseph's still alive. Damn Joseph tho xDD ILY<3 Jotaro is so damn cool saying "There's just one simple answer. You really pissed me off" Hell ya. |
Jun 21, 2015 5:32 AM
#295
The journey has ended and so does my weekly dose of JoJo. :'( 10/10 this episode,everything was great. 8/10 overall this season. The things that made this season better than the first for me were definitely the D'arby and Young D'arby fights,the Pet Shop fight,the Vanilla Ice fight and last but not least the DIO fight. I'm praying that Part IV will get an adaptation,because DP does a great job at adapting JOJO. If not then I'm going to read the manga. |
Jun 21, 2015 10:35 AM
#296
Well, personally i loved part 3 although its far from my favorite. DP did a great job, and i didnt care about SP stoping time being asspull or whatever but no matter how much i like Jojo i can't accept Dio dying like that. Honestly there is absolutely no reasson why Dio would lose to Jotaro, it makes no sense. First of all why didnt Dio use The World again when Jotaro stoped time , he never had any problem using it succesively before, and why would a punch to the shin split him in half and make him explode, especially when the World was superior to SP both in Strength and in Speed. I really dont mind asspulls but at least they should make sense.People can say whatever they want but Dio losing was an asspull and one that did't make any sense at all. |
Jun 21, 2015 12:10 PM
#297
gallagherakias said: Well, personally i loved part 3 although its far from my favorite. DP did a great job, and i didnt care about SP stoping time being asspull or whatever but no matter how much i like Jojo i can't accept Dio dying like that. Honestly there is absolutely no reasson why Dio would lose to Jotaro, it makes no sense. First of all why didnt Dio use The World again when Jotaro stoped time , he never had any problem using it succesively before, and why would a punch to the shin split him in half and make him explode, especially when the World was superior to SP both in Strength and in Speed. I really dont mind asspulls but at least they should make sense.People can say whatever they want but Dio losing was an asspull and one that did't make any sense at all. Star platinum's speed and strength are A. The World's speed and strength are B Also stands are manifestation of a person's soul , dio was weak after that kick. As for the stopping time bit it's simple ? Dio's limit at moving inside the world is 10 seconds , jotaro was 3 but jotaro started moving in the 8th second , so jotaro gets 1 more second that dio couldn't move in? |
Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Jun 21, 2015 12:35 PM
#298
Now I must wait for Part 6 to be animated |
an egomaniac and a fool |
Jun 21, 2015 12:42 PM
#299
Akabawi said: gallagherakias said: Well, personally i loved part 3 although its far from my favorite. DP did a great job, and i didnt care about SP stoping time being asspull or whatever but no matter how much i like Jojo i can't accept Dio dying like that. Honestly there is absolutely no reasson why Dio would lose to Jotaro, it makes no sense. First of all why didnt Dio use The World again when Jotaro stoped time , he never had any problem using it succesively before, and why would a punch to the shin split him in half and make him explode, especially when the World was superior to SP both in Strength and in Speed. I really dont mind asspulls but at least they should make sense.People can say whatever they want but Dio losing was an asspull and one that did't make any sense at all. Star platinum's speed and strength are A. The World's speed and strength are B Also stands are manifestation of a person's soul , dio was weak after that kick. As for the stopping time bit it's simple ? Dio's limit at moving inside the world is 10 seconds , jotaro was 3 but jotaro started moving in the 8th second , so jotaro gets 1 more second that dio couldn't move in? At the beginning of their battle when they did the muda-ora Dio said the World was superior in strength and speed so i kinda went with that but i guess Araki changed his mind or smthing. Anyways i loved the fight , i just think the final blow was unimpresive and unticlimatic and Dio was too great a vilain to deserve that. |
gallagherakiasJun 21, 2015 12:47 PM
Jun 21, 2015 3:23 PM
#300
I'll miss watching JoJo with friends every week. Well, the wait for part 4 begins. |
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