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fst said: If no one cares about the anime then why are we up to 15 pages on this thread already Idk, beats me, you should investigate. |
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CookingPriest said: MightyM16 said: But they followed exactly how the RN version was m8 And really I don't think the crest loss will hinder Rin that much, she has still her inherent talent for magecraft and etc, she will be okay F/Z spoiler Crest IS everything. Rin would NEVER sacrifice literal freaking ENTIRE FAMILY LEGACY of research and knowledge. It is freaking OOC and frankly makes no literal sense and makes plotholes within the lore. Alongside the plotholes This turns the most epic FSN romance into freaking schoolgirl crush and lowers the show's expected maturity. Kay then Kayneth :V F/Z ~ Waver future spoiler I also dont think you should be mad at Ufo too, I mean the RN version was pratically the same thing, Ufo adaptated that and made it better with tge flashbacks I also think Rin giving up her crest in UBW is pretty much in character and could also even be called character development It's basically Rin disregarding her magus POV and acting as a true human being doing what's necessay to protect the person she likes nocorras said: Forgetfulness said: Wasn't this scene just what was in Realta Nua? What are your opinions on that then? The same, it sucks, just like every RN replacement scene. Sorry but they dont suck more than the god awful awkward h scenes |
fst said: nocorras said: Idk, beats me, you should investigate. The answer is plain as day  MightyM16 said: Kay then Kayneth :V F/Z ~ Waver future spoiler I also dont think you should be mad at Ufo too, I mean the RN version was pratically the same thing, Ufo adaptated that and made it better with tge flashbacks I also think Rin giving up her crest in UBW is pretty much in character and could also even be called character development It's basically Rin disregarding her magus POV and acting as a true human being doing what's necessay to protect the person she likes Regarding Waver: In any case I wouldn't quite call it out of character, but I nevertheless find it ridiculous that she would give up her entire crest just because Shirou needs more mana. I mean if she doesn't, they can't beat Gil, which means a looooot of people are gonna die, her and shirou included. It's not that unreasonable aside from lore plot holes |
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MightyM16 said: Sorry but they dont suck more than the god awful awkward h scenes It's not like they need to be read a 2nd time. Sex happens, the end, much better than what we got. |
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SaintEmiya said: MightyM16 said: You should be blaming the Realta Nua version then, which by the way is said by Nasu to be the ultimate Fate/SN version :p I didn't like it in the RN version either, and yes I thought the original was done poorly as well. I was hoping that UFO would actually portray a decent relationship but tbh that's a rarity in all of anime anyway. It was already quite obvious it was going to be dolphins and not implied sex or jackhammer scene, seriously The ending itself is the biggest fucking clue ufo is adapting the RN version, the version Nasu himself says it's the ultimate in his opinion so yeah honestly these guys who hoped for a implied sex scene are out of their minds... Though I think the romance UBW loses its impact because of two things 1) no other routes yet to show Rin is not just a generic tsundere , the fact tha are only reveals this part of her in UBW makes it special but most AO have only seen UBW sovthey quickly put Rin into the ganeric tsundere bandwagon... 2) Ufo's (Nasu's) over exaggeration of Rin's tsundere behavior which kinda falnderized her |
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nocorras said: MightyM16 said: Sorry but they dont suck more than the god awful awkward h scenes It's not like they need to be read a 2nd time. Literally sex happens, the end, much better than what we got. Reading them for the first time is already enough punishment Especially the jackhammer one |
Nekuwafers said: I mean if she doesn't, they can't beat Gil, which means a looooot of people are gonna die, her and shirou included. It's not that unreasonable aside from lore plot holes It's not about that. If it's JUST mana, there shouldn't be any need to transfer the entire fucking crest. Technically it would give him the mana he needs, but he doesn't need any of the crests other functions, so it doesn't make any fucking sense because it's so overkill. She didn't graft her crest onto Archer, but she was still able to provide the mana needed for him to use UBW. The point is, there should be other ways to provide/transfer mana. |
fst said: Nekuwafers said: I mean if she doesn't, they can't beat Gil, which means a looooot of people are gonna die, her and shirou included. It's not that unreasonable aside from lore plot holes It's not about that. If it's JUST mana, there shouldn't be any need to transfer the entire fucking crest. Technically it would give him the mana he needs, but he doesn't need any of the crests other functions, so it doesn't make any fucking sense because it's so overkill. She didn't graft her crest onto Archer, but she was still able to provide the mana needed for him to use UBW. The point is, there should be other ways to provide/transfer mana. To be fair, she also didn't need to have sex with Archer, neither did any other Master for their servant beside 2004!Shirou and 2004!Kuzuki. |
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fst said: nocorras said: Idk, beats me, you should investigate. The answer is plain as day MightyM16 said: Kay then Kayneth :V F/Z ~ Waver future spoiler I also dont think you should be mad at Ufo too, I mean the RN version was pratically the same thing, Ufo adaptated that and made it better with tge flashbacks I also think Rin giving up her crest in UBW is pretty much in character and could also even be called character development It's basically Rin disregarding her magus POV and acting as a true human being doing what's necessay to protect the person she likes Regarding Waver: In any case I wouldn't quite call it out of character, but I nevertheless find it ridiculous that she would give up her entire crest just because Shirou needs more mana. I don't care about magic power |
| Out of curiosity, is there a reason why Shirou can't just give Rin the crest back later? Can he not give it to anyone else if Rin has some kind of kid so the Tohsake family line stuff continues? |
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fst said: Nekuwafers said: I mean if she doesn't, they can't beat Gil, which means a looooot of people are gonna die, her and shirou included. It's not that unreasonable aside from lore plot holes It's not about that. If it's JUST mana, there shouldn't be any need to transfer the entire fucking crest. Technically it would give him the mana he needs, but he doesn't need any of the crests other functions, so it doesn't make any fucking sense because it's so overkill. She didn't graft her crest onto Archer, but she was still able to provide the mana needed for him to use UBW. The point is, there should be other ways to provide/transfer mana. I think it works differently regarding servants, since it'd probably be easier to give mana to things that are essentially made of mana (the Grail also probably helps out a little too). It may be overkill and pretty dumb, but its not like we know of another method for creating a steady transfer of mana between humans (except for sex, but we know how that went) |
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Epicenter said: Out of curiosity, is there a reason why Shirou can't just give Rin the crest back later? Can he not give it to anyone else if Rin has some kind of kid so the Tohsake family line stuff continues? Nope, nada. Transferring a Magic Crest is like donating your own organs to somebody else. Once it was cut and brought to patient, you lose your affinity and will continue like that. There's a reason why giving up the Crest for Rin is like giving up her potential rep as a magus. Because the Crest is culmination of Tohsaka family's researches and knowledge for years. Think of Magic Crest like a really huge family album. |
Epicenter said: well..she shouldnt have been able to give him the crest to begin with....not without some serious side-effects. usually to give a magic creast to someone who isnt related to you you'd have to do something fucked up...ya know...like that thing you saw in F/Z..i mean..you cna't just up and start shoving organs into people....those crests aren't just tatoos they are engraved into the holder.Out of curiosity, is there a reason why Shirou can't just give Rin the crest back later? Can he not give it to anyone else if Rin has some kind of kid so the Tohsake family line stuff continues? |
Maloghurst said: Epicenter said: well..she shouldnt have been able to give him the crest to begin with....not without some serious side-effects. usually to give a magic creast to someone who isnt related to you you'd have to do something fucked up...ya know...like that thing you saw in F/Z..i mean..you cna't just up and start shoving organs into people....Out of curiosity, is there a reason why Shirou can't just give Rin the crest back later? Can he not give it to anyone else if Rin has some kind of kid so the Tohsake family line stuff continues? You forgot one thing: She had Kirei as a tutor. And Kirei is a master of those kind of surgery magecraft, so it's possible for her to not losing much. Combine that with Shirou's godly Structural Analysis, and you'll get yourself one of the best Trauma Team in Nasuverse. |
ProphecyPriest said: Epicenter said: Out of curiosity, is there a reason why Shirou can't just give Rin the crest back later? Can he not give it to anyone else if Rin has some kind of kid so the Tohsake family line stuff continues? Nope, nada. Transferring a Magic Crest is like donating your own organs to somebody else. Once it was cut and brought to patient, you lose your affinity and will continue like that. There's a reason why giving up the Crest for Rin is like giving up her potential rep as a magus. Because the Crest is culmination of Tohsaka family's researches and knowledge for years. Think of Magic Crest like a really huge family album. Ah that sucks for the Tohsakas. I hope Shirou actually impregnates Rin then, then at least there's a chance their line will continue to make use with someone related to the family. |
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ProphecyPriest said: that sounds awesome.Maloghurst said: well..she shouldnt have been able to give him the crest to begin with....not without some serious side-effects. usually to give a magic creast to someone who isnt related to you you'd have to do something fucked up...ya know...like that thing you saw in F/Z..i mean..you cna't just up and start shoving organs into people.... You forgot one thing: She had Kirei as a tutor. And Kirei is a master of those kind of surgery magecraft, so it's possible for her to not losing much. Combine that with Shirou's godly Structural Analysis, and you'll get yourself one of the best Trauma Team in Nasuverse. |
Maloghurst said: ProphecyPriest said: that sounds awesome.You forgot one thing: She had Kirei as a tutor. And Kirei is a master of those kind of surgery magecraft, so it's possible for her to not losing much. Combine that with Shirou's godly Structural Analysis, and you'll get yourself one of the best Trauma Team in Nasuverse. Speaking of Atlus's properties, SMT x Fate/ crossover when? |
astroprogs said: Maloghurst said: that sounds awesome. Speaking of Atlus's properties, SMT x Fate/ crossover when? After the beauty that will be SMT x FE |
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| Still trying to rationalize why they would have sex at that moment. I don't get it. |
Gov said: Still trying to rationalize why they would have sex at that moment. I don't get it. You're simply not reading enough occult news. |
WrongPriest said: Gov said: Still trying to rationalize why they would have sex at that moment. I don't get it. Works with any body fluid: sperm, blood ect. It's just a concentration of life force. Think vampires and shit You can't be serious. You are equating sperm to life force? Wtf? |
Gov said: WrongPriest said: Works with any body fluid: sperm, blood ect. It's just a concentration of life force. Think vampires and shit You can't be serious. You are equating sperm to life force? Wtf? It literally helps create life. How could that not be life force? |
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Gov said: WrongPriest said: Works with any body fluid: sperm, blood ect. It's just a concentration of life force. Think vampires and shit You can't be serious. You are equating sperm to life force? Wtf? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_magic Literally the first result of Google search. |
| You guys are really scraping at the bottom of the barrel here. |
| Or maybe you just trying too hard to ignore reality surrounding you and thinking that this is just a general animu. Depends on your own interpretation. |
ProphecyPriest said: Or maybe you just trying too hard to ignore reality surrounding you and thinking that this is just a general animu. Depends on your own interpretation. Reality? You are actually calling sex magic reality? I am done for the night. |
Gov said: ProphecyPriest said: Or maybe you just trying too hard to ignore reality surrounding you and thinking that this is just a general animu. Depends on your own interpretation. Reality? You are actually calling sex magic reality? I am done for the night. courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality |
Gov said: how so? in this verse you have seen entire human beings being melted down for mana...somehow sex is farfetched to you?life force is carried through bodily fluids blood bone marrow, sperm, hell even the meat and organs. it's not really all that dissimilar to what you had seen in full metal alchemist. sex is viewed as 2 souls coming together. in this verse the human body is nothing more than a container that houses energy("the soul) as far as this verse is concerned them having sex to tranfer mana is no different from taking contents from one flask linking it up to another flask and pouring the contents from one flask to another. You guys are really scraping at the bottom of the barrel here. |
MaloghurstJun 7, 2015 10:38 PM
WrongPriest said: fucking hell...were are all the rpisma illiya fans pissy that this isnt more like prisma illiya...i've actually seen like 1 or 2 people dissapointed that this wasnt the caseThis is why I like Prism Illya more, nobody cared that two prepubescent girls started making out for mana reasons. Nobody cared how anything in Prism Illya worked, just that it happened. |
MaloghurstJun 7, 2015 10:50 PM
WrongPriest said: Wait, is the mana transferred through bone'ing Prana or Od? Od. Mana should come from the surroundings or something. |
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Gov said: You guys are really scraping at the bottom of the barrel here. Thumbs up to this guy tbh, inserting a bit of a reality slap |
ProphecyPriest said: Maloghurst said: well..she shouldnt have been able to give him the crest to begin with....not without some serious side-effects. usually to give a magic creast to someone who isnt related to you you'd have to do something fucked up...ya know...like that thing you saw in F/Z..i mean..you cna't just up and start shoving organs into people.... You forgot one thing: She had Kirei as a tutor. And Kirei is a master of those kind of surgery magecraft, so it's possible for her to not losing much. Combine that with Shirou's godly Structural Analysis, and you'll get yourself one of the best Trauma Team in Nasuverse. Lol MEDICCCCCCCCCC Gov said: ProphecyPriest said: Or maybe you just trying too hard to ignore reality surrounding you and thinking that this is just a general animu. Depends on your own interpretation. Reality? You are actually calling sex magic reality? I am done for the night. The points people were making previously is how it's stupidly unrealistic that they didn't bone in that situation. Teenagers, hormonal, both in love, in a bed half naked, discussing their feelings. just coming out of a life or death situation and about to go into another one, been hopped up on adrenaline for days now, both attractive; pretty sure in that situation it's more realistic that they would bone rather than one of them risking themselves and taking away their entire family legacy. |
SaintEmiya said: The points people were making previously is how it's stupidly unrealistic that they didn't bone in that situation. Teenagers, hormonal, both in love, in a bed half naked, discussing their feelings. just coming out of a life or death situation and about to go into another one, been hopped up on adrenaline for days now, both attractive; pretty sure in that situation it's more realistic that they would bone rather than one of them risking themselves and taking away their entire family legacy. You are overtrusting nasu's writing ability, just saying. |
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Nekuwafers said: It literally helps create life. How could that not be life force? That works for if Shirou wants to transfer mana to Rin but what about the other way around? How much fluids needs to exchanged for a certain amount of mana to transferred? Grapekiwi said: courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality How does one measure or quantify the amount of courage is needed to obtain a certain amount of mana to make these dreams turn into reality? Maloghurst said: how so? in this verse you have seen entire human beings being melted down for mana...somehow sex is farfetched to you?life force is carried through bodily fluids blood bone marrow, sperm, hell even the meat and organs. it's not really all that dissimilar to what you had seen in full metal alchemist. sex is viewed as 2 souls coming together. in this verse the human body is nothing more than a container that houses energy("the soul) as far as this verse is concerned them having sex to tranfer mana is no different from taking contents from one flask linking it up to another flask and pouring the contents from one flask to another. Yes key word "beings." FMA made it very clear that the philosopher stone needed a certain number of human beinga for it be created and a transmutation circle. Very specific details are needed and I really want to put emphasis on "details". Quantifiable numbers we can measure to give us a certain output. Let us go back to the episode of when Caster's old master was sacrificing a certain amount of children to create a tiny mana crystal. I had no issue with this at all. The input: a certain amount of human children+technology needed to mush their bodies into liquids+magic to drain out the mana. Let us compare this to Shirou and Rin having sex, shall we? Body fluids are exchanged. Ya. We don't know how much is being exchanged because sex is very variable. One session of sex could be different from another. The pacing, the positions, the amount of action of happening, how much body fluids are being exchanged and the stretch of time this whole activity time took place. This is too variable to have a certain output at the end. Theoretically lets say we could, wouldn't this form of mana exchange be simply disadvantageous? Rin has to transfer her body fluids to Shirou but clearly amount of fluids Shirou is giving to Rin is greater than the Rin gives to Shirou. You could make an argument otherwise but then you have to go into the nitty gritty details of the sex they have having. Bottom line, too many issues involved in sex magic for it to be be used here. SaintEmiya said: The points people were making previously is how it's stupidly unrealistic that they didn't bone in that situation. Teenagers, hormonal, both in love, in a bed half naked, discussing their feelings. just coming out of a life or death situation and about to go into another one, been hopped up on adrenaline for days now, both attractive; pretty sure in that situation it's more realistic that they would bone rather than one of them risking themselves and taking away their entire family legacy. You are changing the narrative into a completely different direction. This isn't about if Shirou and Rin should have had sex but rather the entire sex magic argument was pretty ridiculous. Imagine the conversation Rin has with Shirou before they do the deed. Shirou: So Rin how long do we have to do it for? RIn: As long as fluids are being exchanged, mana will be transferred. Shirou: Okay....how much fluids do we have to transfer? RIn: As long as fluids are being exchanged, mana will be transferred. Shirou: Umm...what positions are most optimal? RIn: As long as fluids are being exchanged, mana will be transferred. Shirou: Do you prefer it slow or fast and what about ass play? Rin: As long as fluids are being exchanged, mana will be transferred. |
| It's not so much about body fluids being exchanged but the "closeness" they have with one another-of course they don't just merely have sex and blam! contract, otherwise that'd be problematic, and there are other things involved and the sex is about reaching, as Rin said about the alternative method of just stripping down here, a state of rapport, and at the point of greatest rapport (orgasm) the contract will be forged. And yes, if that sounds silly, I agree. |
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Insertanamehere said: It's not so much about body fluids being exchanged but the "closeness" they have with one another-of course they don't just merely have sex and blam! contract, otherwise that'd be problematic, and there are other things involved and the sex is about reaching, as Rin said about the alternative method of just stripping down here, a state of rapport, and at the point of greatest rapport (orgasm) the contract will be forged. And yes, if that sounds silly, I agree. Closeness is very vague. Numbers wise where do we stand? |
Fizix said: Damn this discussions gotten lame. Back in reality, the whole sex thing was only there in the first place so closet geeks could fap one off to Rins "most foul parts". I don't think any serious discussion revolving around the sex scene is legitimate or worthy of debate tbh. Its purpose wasn't for plot in the first place. If only there was something else worth talking about in this episode... |
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Lollo36 said: Fizix said: Damn this discussions gotten lame. Back in reality, the whole sex thing was only there in the first place so closet geeks could fap one off to Rins "most foul parts". I don't think any serious discussion revolving around the sex scene is legitimate or worthy of debate tbh. Its purpose wasn't for plot in the first place. If only there was something else worth talking about in this episode... boring episode, should have either went with sex or retconned the dolphin/fish...cause wtf are they gonna do now in HF? going with realta nue just asked for an entire episode to have 1 minute of info and the rest shit. |
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ziggy_Z said: Why didn't Gil want to use Illya as a vessel? Because he just wants the mud and not the infinite mana pool/wish granting device. |
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Grey-Zone said: ziggy_Z said: Why didn't Gil want to use Illya as a vessel? Because he just wants the mud and not the infinite mana pool/wish granting device. So the greater the mage he uses, the more of the Grail is summoned? |
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