jal90 said: Relying on and exploiting gender roles to substitute for your lack of creativity, is not the same thing as making fun of gender roles.I am not that much into this type of comedy because it's lazy and easy to abuse, but it's no more no less than your typical slapstick, except making fun of gender roles in the process. |
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Red_Keys said: jal90 said: Relying on and exploiting gender roles to substitute for your lack of creativity, is not the same thing as making fun of gender roles.I am not that much into this type of comedy because it's lazy and easy to abuse, but it's no more no less than your typical slapstick, except making fun of gender roles in the process. It's still making fun, though, regardless of it being creative/elaborate or not. Note that I didn't mention "satire"... that to me is a different thing. Something more specific, and with a more clear agenda. |
Mirakyoot said: Acceptable, no-repercussion, encouraged, looked-at-as-comedy violence perpetrated by women against men does exist in reality though.you should stop watching anime if you want a funny but reality thing. anime is created for us to experience watching the things that doesnt really exist. In fact, it's the only reason this trope is able to exist. jal90 said: I don't know what you mean by "making fun".It's still making fun, though, regardless of it being creative/elaborate or not. Note that I didn't mention "satire"... that to me is a different thing. Something more specific, and with a more clear agenda. |
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| Because that's how it is in real life. Haven't you ever seen those videos on youtube were a guy is barely slapping a girl and everyone yells at him,beats him up, and then calls the police, but when a girl does it, and flat out punches the guy,kicks him,etc, no one cares and laughs? |
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Red_Keys said: jal90 said: I don't know what you mean by "making fun".It's still making fun, though, regardless of it being creative/elaborate or not. Note that I didn't mention "satire"... that to me is a different thing. Something more specific, and with a more clear agenda. Exposing elements for the sake of ridiculing and mocking in a comedic context. |
AngryAlchemist said: Because that's how it is in real life. Haven't you ever seen those videos on youtube were a guy is barely slapping a girl and everyone yells at him,beats him up, and then calls the police, but when a girl does it, and flat out punches the guy,kicks him,etc, no one cares and laughs? ...............this is disturbingly accurate. XD "We girls are so wittle and innocent against the big scary men. We can get away with anything. 8D" We can also just use our sex appeal to distract you. :p |
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jal90 said: What's being mocked?Red_Keys said: I don't know what you mean by "making fun". Exposing elements for the sake of ridiculing and mocking in a comedic context. The fact that society-wide people have less empathy for males, thus violence against them is seen as humorous and enjoyable? |
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| Eh, it's not like the male character is always so innocent in these situations. The way the title is worded you would imagine that these characters all get assaulted randomly on their way home by a devilish female character or something. The problem are the writers who always put these cringeworthy scenes where the male character conveniently enters the bath when someone else is showering or just have to trip and "accidentally" undress the girl but is still too awkward to explain the situation and clear up misunderstandings. It's more like all the characters, male and female, that are used in these kind of shows are all victims of the outrageous writing than anything else. |
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Red_Keys said: jal90 said: What's being mocked?Exposing elements for the sake of ridiculing and mocking in a comedic context. The fact that society-wide people have less empathy for males, thus violence against them is seen as humorous and enjoyable? Or the fact that anime guys are magically recovered of their wounds and can be abused endlessly with zero consequences? You know, you can force any agenda you want into these scenes. That doesn't change the fact that their comedy is in the overreaction and not in the social commentary. What's being.mocked there? Very clearly, the characters. Their inability to react properly to stuff. |
| It's not smart enough to be any sort of social commentary. It's just a blind pandering to socially acceptable norms. There's a reason it's dudes getting violence acted upon them for laughs. |
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| Cuz making girls fight is a good excuse for showing panty shots, which is cool. |
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PrettyJ said: +1Cuz making girls fight is a good excuse for showing panty shots, which is cool. |
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| I'm definitely not alright with it. It usually really grates on my nerves whenever it happens. I guess it was funny or cute for the first couple of times, but after awhile it just gets old and ridiculous. |
| I think we need more girls fighting girls. And I don't mean fanservice, petty cat fights. I mean the ones like in Toradora and Oreimo where they PUNCH EACH OTHER IN THE FACE. Take that famous scenario: Clingy girl grabs onto guy Tsundere girl gets mad Tsundere girl decks clingy girl and sends her flying ten feet. I need an anime like that. The closesest to that scenario I got was in Nisekoi It was so f*cking hilarious that I made a .gif. [spoiler]  |
ChiibiJun 6, 2015 4:57 PM
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Chiibi said: I think we need more girls fighting girls. And I don't mean fanservice, petty cat fights. I mean the ones like in Toradora and Oreimo where they PUNCH EACH OTHER IN THE FACE. Take that famous scenario: Clingy girl grabs onto guy Tsundere girl gets mad Tsundere girl decks clingy girl and sends her flying ten feet. I need an anime like that. The closesest to that scenario I got was in Nisekoi It was so f*cking hilarious that I made a .gif. However in many cases the girls decide to "clear differences" by attacking the guy instead of the other girl, for some reason. |
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| Right. WHICH IS STUPID. Which is why I posted what I did. |
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| Yes, I completely agree with that. |
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Zer01 said: The reason is that it's funny. <.<Trentor11 said: It clearly isn't but go ahead and use a poor excuse to explain why no I'm not going to explain anything to you |
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Milk_is_Special said: Zer01 said: The reason is that it's funny. <.<no I'm not going to explain anything to you It clearly isn't but go ahead and use a poor excuse to explain why |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: ITS FUNNY #deal with it It's as funny as bad puns. Real PUNNY. |
Poltergeist18 said: Kagami_Hiiragi said: ITS FUNNY #deal with it It's as funny as bad puns. Real PUNNY. That was so forced that is actually caused me to cringe. |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: Poltergeist18 said: It's as funny as bad puns. Real PUNNY. That was so forced that is actually caused me to cringe. See? I feel the same way about using "girls kicking the living shit out of guys" as a means of humor. |
Poltergeist18 said: Kagami_Hiiragi said: That was so forced that is actually caused me to cringe. See? I feel the same way about using "girls kicking the living shit out of guys" as a means of humor. And? Was your difference in opinion the reason you replied to me with a cringy reply? You can have your point, but your reply was not that funny. Though, if you asked me: "why do you find it funny", I might of told you why. |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: Poltergeist18 said: See? I feel the same way about using "girls kicking the living shit out of guys" as a means of humor. And? Was your difference in opinion the reason you replied to me with a cringy reply? You can have your point, but your reply was not that funny. Though, if you asked me: "why do you find it funny", I might of told you why. I wasn't even trying to be funny. And okay, why do you find it funny? For me, it just feels forced stuff that is often coupled in anime with tsunderes. There isn't much point to it. |
Poltergeist18 said: Kagami_Hiiragi said: And? Was your difference in opinion the reason you replied to me with a cringy reply? You can have your point, but your reply was not that funny. Though, if you asked me: "why do you find it funny", I might of told you why. I wasn't even trying to be funny. And okay, why do you find it funny? For me, it just feels forced stuff that is often coupled in anime with tsunderes. There isn't much point to it. That's you. I find it funny because I find the way they often pull it off amusing. Its amusing to see the girls get mad about little stuff and often beat them up with a variety of tools: fists, tables, guns (have seen it). You might find it pointless, but remember humor depends on the viewer and tastes vary. |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: Poltergeist18 said: I wasn't even trying to be funny. And okay, why do you find it funny? For me, it just feels forced stuff that is often coupled in anime with tsunderes. There isn't much point to it. That's you. I find it funny because I find the way they often pull it off amusing. Its amusing to see the girls get mad about little stuff and often beat them up with a variety of tools: fists, tables, guns (have seen it). You might find it pointless, but remember humor depends on the viewer and tastes vary. That's more like it. I thank you for your reply, sir. And yeah, in the end, humor is heavily subjective. |
Very much so, yes. I understand why others might dislike it and find it cliched, but it makes me smile lol. |
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| It can be funny if Rin attacks Shirou with a pillow and it having no real effect, while Rin is shown be completely unreasonable. And Shirou trying to stop Rin from hurting the poor pillow. That CAN be funny. What definitly is NOT funny is when for the 943874389574389573498 time Rito trips over air, Yami says something about hating "Ecchi" and blasts Rito into a 30m away wall. Again. And Again. And Again. And no, just "the series being self-aware about the running-gag" does not make it acceptable, but instead it makes it even worse. |
Grey-ZoneJun 7, 2015 3:46 AM
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| Somehow I've managed to avoid this trope to where it doesn't seem cliched, but it still manages to make me cringe. Except for when Bisky sends Killua flying it's kind of funny cause the dynamics are different and has virtually nothing to do with gender. |
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| Most of the inserted 'gag in anime were repeatedly doing, and its not even getting funny anymore. That's why, in every gag show. there should be at least plenty of jokes and not being repeated because it is annoying sometimes. Like this hitting on the boy without due reason. |
| i dont think because feminism or anything about woman. because most of series that have this type girls are always aimed to man, not woman. |
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| Or the one where Wind blows up a girl's skirt and her panties are seen accidentally. 100% because MC can airbend so they deserve whatever physical harm or verbal abuse they get. |
SensouNoKami said: Or the one where Wind blows up a girl's skirt and her panties are seen accidentally. 100% because MC can airbend so they deserve whatever physical harm or verbal abuse they get. THIS IS WHY I HATE HARU FROM NISEKOI. ARGH. Irrational little bitch. ............on the other hand, the women beating up Kintaro in Golden Boy actually IS rather funny....does anyone agree with that? |
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Nicoreos said: In anime feminism is considered acceptable but in real life it's not. What's with the double standards people. "feminism" is a very, VERY broad word. You can interpret the word in different ways, for example: 1. "advocating womens' rights" 2. "trying to change the political system to a matriarchy where women have all political power" You can see those two are completely different things, but both examples can be called "feminism". That's why that word is nothing more than a buzzword. People talking about "1." seriously should use the word "gender equality" instead, because that's much more on-point. |
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Grey-Zone said: Nicoreos said: In anime feminism is considered acceptable but in real life it's not. What's with the double standards people. "feminism" is a very, VERY broad word. You can interpret the word in different ways, for example: 1. "advocating womens' rights" 2. "trying to change the political system to a matriarchy where women have all political power" You can see those two are completely different things, but both examples can be called "feminism". That's why that word is nothing more than a buzzword. People talking about "1." seriously should use the word "gender equality" instead, because that's much more on-point. I've never met a self-confessed feminist who advocated something like matriarchy. The 'matriarchy' is just a straw man against feminism. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: I've never met a self-confessed feminist who advocated something like matriarchy. The 'matriarchy' is just a straw man against feminism. It was an intentionally overexaggerated example to show how broad the definition of the word "feminism" actually can be. An actual example would be that delusional ANN reviewer who interprets every F/sn:UBW scene as "totally sexist". She is being called "feminist". The same label of "feminist" is used for those who actually promote gender-equality. It's a bad joke when you use the same word to describe someone who actually does their best for gender-equality and someone who is just forcing their narrow-minded world views on other people, while undermining any criticism against their view. Where is the "straw man" in that? |
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| Its comedic effect. A form of slapstick comedy, plain and simple. It happens to bug the shit out of me when it happens on otherwise serious anime though. |
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Grey-Zone said: TheBrainintheJar said: I've never met a self-confessed feminist who advocated something like matriarchy. The 'matriarchy' is just a straw man against feminism. It was an intentionally overexaggerated example to show how broad the definition of the word "feminism" actually can be. An actual example would be that delusional ANN reviewer who interprets every F/sn:UBW scene as "totally sexist". She is being called "feminist". The same label of "feminist" is used for those who actually promote gender-equality. It's a bad joke when you use the same word to describe someone who actually does their best for gender-equality and someone who is just forcing their narrow-minded world views on other people, while undermining any criticism against their view. Where is the "straw man" in that? Can you link me to her reviews? The majority of feminists I encountered did not ask for anything resembling a matriarchy. I did not agree with everything they said, obviously. I think a big issue feminists miss is that there are privileges to being a victim, and that they'll have to give them up, too. The few times I saw anything close to misandry was 'manspreading', 'mansplaining' and other silly ad hominem. Still, I wish these people who claim feminism is a codeword for matiarchy would show me some more examples. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Still, I wish these people who claim feminism is a codeword for matiarchy would show me some more examples. I didn't even claim that and I am not sure who else possibly did. I am just saying the word is simply too broad and sometimes when people talk about "feminists" they talk about completely different "kinds" of feminists. It needlessly derails conversations due to misunderstandings. As for the one I was talking about: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/fate-stay-night-unlimited-blade-works/episode-19/.88250 Excerpt (Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (TV) Episode 19 spoilers): She basically implies that all watchers are "supposed to" derive pleasure from an (almost) rape scene of a rather serious TV series. It seems in her mind everyone who is watching that anime is a "sex beast" who derives pleasure from seeing females being "violated", or that the author and producers supposedly wanted it to be perceived as such, denouncing all of them. Meanwhile there are reports about critiscsm from people who disagree with her reviews being deleted. I don't like to be accused of "deriving pleasure from that scene". I have literally never seen anyone stating that the scene was "hot" or anything like that, it was all in her mind and the "purpose" of that scene the thought of is only in her delusional mind as well. The possibility of interpreting the scene like that didn't even cross my mind. Such a person is called a "feminist" alongside people who geniunly want gender equality. How am I supposed to draw a line between them, if the same word is used for all of them? That's my point. |
Grey-ZoneJun 8, 2015 4:43 PM
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| Stop talking about feminism. Males being deemed by society as more disposable and less worthy of empathy, their pain and suffering looked on as comical and amusing for the general public, has been around since long before feminism existed. This is not because of "feminists". And no, feminists are not helping either. |
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