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SaintEmiya said: ~Snip~ *Claps hand* Especially the only 30 seconds EMIYA theme part. I am still salty about that. |
ShrimperorMay 31, 2015 4:48 AM
| Lol, did they have Seiji Kishi to direct this episode or what? Because even I, a non-VN reader, felt that this was poorly adapted and didn't work as a ''standalone anime episode'' 11/10 for the last scene though |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
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SaintEmiya said: Othi-tan said: Archer was full of emotion the whole ep.And what emotion should he make there?In the end he let his old self win. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20218/198-UBW15-03-451.jpg I dont know what emotion you expect from this. Lets not even go into that they actually showed why Archer lost. I've already said this, but I'll say it again. The episode was technically done very well, UFO IMO (apart from the giant swords + wtfpower Avalon) did everything REALLY well in my opinion DURING the fight and Answer. But the end of it had 0 fucking impact, which is an opinion shared by most of the people here. Whilst I think most can agree that they felt impact at the end of DEEN's fight, also it's well known that DEEN are rather great at still images. Just saying, the end of the fight looked a billion times better with DEEN, Archer looked like he finally got some resolution, the sword looked better, basically everything looked better. The only other complaint is that the atmosphere and emotion did feel lacking (which others have said), there's a reason a lot of anime onlies here said that it was dragging, if UFO had upped the tension and atmosphere everyone would be on the edge of their seats. Instead the fight was actually Shounen-ish, Talking-Fighting-Sitting-Fighting. When DEEN themselves actually showed you can have the talking WHILST fighting and it still looks good. Also I'm not gonna comment again on how fucking silent this whole scene was, barely any emiya? Whatever, the music has been done poorly this entire adaptation. Honestly, everyone loves to bash DEEN, and I was going to say that after episode 20 that UFO was going to completely smash DEEN to pieces, but UFO let the ball drop this episode. Both adaptations of Answer are good for different reasons, UFO is better but definitely was worse in some aspects. Sorry I just cant believe that still images,with only "It's not wrong" as the only line being spoken and Archer having zero shown resolution in the movie have any kind of impact.Or at least more impact than what ufo shown.Deen didnt even show half of Archer's inner struggle and acceptance of Shirou.Shirou starts overpowering Archer and finally stabs him.Here Archer is clearly shown having all the time he wants to kill Shirou yet never brings down his hand after he remembers why he had that ideal. What kind of impact did people expect?The impact doesnt come from Shirou stabbing Archer.It should come from Archer accepting his old self.It's not the fight but the clash of ideology that matters.Now if DEEn somehow did it better with 0...em..scenes of ideology in the fight then I dont now what to say. The fight in the VN is shounenish.Fighting only with willpower is shounenish.In DEEN 2 people are clashing and the strong one is losing for no real reason.I dont know how ufo "made" it look MORE shounen like. Of course it was dragging these 3 past eps.It had monologues that gave depth in all 3 chars present in the fight.I dont get this complain when it was exactly what people desired by his adaptation since FOREVER.Did people realize that this doesnt work really well and are now mad?Or did they expect something different?I dont know. |
Shrimperor said: ALL of that were in the movie?Compare |
novalysis said: Hmm, judging by all the griping about "the Answer", I take it that by that logic, anime-only viewers would have gotten a very wrong, shallow and simplistic understanding of what is a grand and philosophical "answer" to the conundrum of Emiya Shirou's philosophy and philosophy. With this in mind, allow me, a mostly Anime Original viewer and one of those ignorant fools who entered this franchise from the Fate Zero Franchise to put forth what I thought I comprehended from the past two episodes, about Emiya Shirou's character. Emiya Shirou is a man with a borrowed Philosophy, a Philosophy derived from the ideals Emiya Kiritsugu held in Fate/Zero - the desire to be a Hero of Justice, to save as many as he can. In Fate/Zero, the tainted Grail suggested that the way to accomplish Kiritsugu's wish for peace for all humanity, was to literally grant all humanity the peace of death. As a result of discovering the Evil within the Grail, Kiritsugu ordered Saber to destroy the Grail. The result was the Great Fuyuki Fire, which killed hundreds if not thousands. Shattered by the events, and the carnage of the aftermath, Kiritsugu desperately searched for a survivor, any survivor, someone to save. He found Emiya Shirou, saved him with the Nobel Phantasm Avalon (which allowed the regeneration of all injuries) and in doing so, Kiritsugu somewhat saved himself by saving at least one person. Kiritsugu adopted Emiya Shirou. And while being raised by Kiritsugu, Emiya Shirou gradually learned, in a vague, general way, of Kiritsugu's ideals - the whole idea of saving everyone and becoming a Hero of Justice. And so, all that full moon night, Emiya Shirou resolves to follow in Kiritsugu's footsteps, finding beauty in the idea, resolving to become a Hero of Justice. As a result, Emiya Shirou tries to live his interpertation of what it means to be a Hero of Justice, existing for others, and putting others before himself in pursuit of this ideal he sees as beautiful. But Archer, the Future Emiya experiences this ideal, and believes that at the end of this extreme ideal of self-denial is futility. One would not only be betrayed, but one can never save everyone in the end. One would keep killing to save others, and in the end, kill more than they may have saved. The ideal is endless, and thankless, and unattainable. In the end, the ideal will break the Individual. Shirou Emiya on the other hand reaffirms the beauty of the ideal in itself, that the ideal itself is meritorious even if unattainable. But he goes one step further, by arguing even if the cost and the end of the ideal may be tragic in itself, the very journey itself is more than worth it. Even if an ideal is unattainable, it is living out these ideals and experiencing these ideals and saving some even if you can't save all that makes it worth it. Even if you cannot save all, you can save some, or even one. If the striving of the ideal itself reaffirms it's beauty, despite it's unattainability, then the experience, then the journey itself is very worth the ending. It is the journey that is important, not the ending. The ideal of the Hero of Justice does not achieve fruits in it's ending, but in it's striving. If this is hypocrisy, so be it. Um... actually, I got that, too (isn't this what the show is about anyways?)... guess spending that $600 on Metaphysics books (and not reading them) was worth it? Lel. Forgetfulness said: Congrats, you got it. Although one person doesn't represent an entire group (trust me, we've seen far stupider), but nice job nonetheless Make that 2 :D |
| "There's no shame in falling down... true shame is to not stand up again!" "Aah? Of course I won't miss!" "My blood tastes like Iron." "Run through the tape in life! Never give up! Run through the tape!" |
Othi-tan said: Shrimperor said: ALL of that were in the movie?Compare I didn't mention the movie ._. And the movie had atleast Emiya playing for more then 30 seconds. |
| It's funny how many VN readers who dislike the adaption often say that there are not enough monologues and blame AOs, who don't understand things, on the "low" amount of monologues. Ironically at the same time a lot of the AO viewers, even including some who don't watch it solely for action scenes, complain about there being too many monologues. |
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Shrimperor said: Because Saint Emiya is talking about the movie.Othi-tan said: ALL of that were in the movie? I didn't mention the movie ._. And the movie had atleast Emiya playing for more then 30 seconds. I wont downgrade ANYTHING in an entire good/decent ep to a level below Deen just because an ost didnt play all the time.It played when it was the most fitting moment.When Archer's RM was overwritten by Shirou's. I dont care if it was 30 secs. |
Othi-tan said: Shrimperor said: ALL of that were in the movie?Compare No offence but you're getting too mad and ignoring what I'm saying. You're acting as if I'm saying DEEN is better than UFO in it's adaptation, I never said that, I said the opposite. WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID is that DEEN did SOME things better than UFO, and I expressed some very real criticism that has been expressed by MANY people (Not just VN elitists, but Anime Onlies as well) in this thread. The stab lacked impact for me, that's an opinion, you can't change my opinion. So stop trying. Other's have said the same thing so it's NOT just me. The music was shit, again it's just my opinion. And yes I get that some aspects are shounenish in the VN and DEEN but I was talking SPECIFICALLY about talking and then fighting. WHilst I praised DEEN for combining exposition WITH action, something that UFO needs to learn to do. That is not just an opinion. And I never said that DEEN did the portrayal of ideals better, I only praised them from a purely aesthetic point of view for some of the images. You need to get your head around that. Don't put words in my mouth please. |
Grey-Zone said: It's funny how many VN readers who dislike the adaption often say that there are not enough monologues and blame AOs, who don't understand things, on the "low" amount of monologues. Ironically at the same time a lot of the AO viewers, even including some who don't watch it solely for action scenes, complain about there being too many monologues. I assume you're including me in the "many VN readers". I never once criticised the monologues, all I've said for this episode is that they could have combined the action with the monologues like what DEEN did. I've actually said how amazing episode 20 was in regards to the portrayal of ideals and how impactful it was. This episode felt like a completely different show to me, the music was worse, the action was worse, the monologues were ok but I'd have preferred the action mixed into it. |
Othi-tan said: Shrimperor said: Because Saint Emiya is talking about the movie.I didn't mention the movie ._. And the movie had atleast Emiya playing for more then 30 seconds. I wont downgrade ANYTHING in an entire good/decent ep to a level below Deen just because an ost didnt play all the time.It played when it was the most fitting moment.When Archer's RM was overwritten by Shirou's. I dont care if it was 30 secs. And there we have it, you've just been triggerred and that's why you're not actually reading what I'm saying properly. I'll reiterate again, DEEN IS NOT BETTER THAN UFO. UFO JUST COULD HAVE DONE SOME PARTS BETTER THAT DEEN ACTUALLY DID WELL. |
| "combining exposition WITH action" Well no. Deen is better in talking and fighting because there is barely any talking.And thats an issue that some VN readers have both deen and ufo.So sorry that I dont understand that talking somehow became bad. Yes Deen is better at tracing the CGs.I am not going to call the scenes better in any way just for that. |
SaintEmiya said: Here is the problem.UFO JUST COULD HAVE DONE SOME PARTS BETTER THAT DEEN ACTUALLY DID WELL. Deen is only good at tracing CGs unlike ufo who add their own things. |
ssjokgMay 31, 2015 5:45 AM
Othi-tan said: SaintEmiya said: Here is the problem.UFO JUST COULD HAVE DONE SOME PARTS BETTER THAT DEEN ACTUALLY DID WELL. Deen is only good at tracing CGs unlike ufo who add tehy own things. Whats wrong with re using what's good? Sometimes just keeping whats good whilst resisting the urge to tamper with something is artistic talent in itself. Either way I'm done with this conversation, you clearly don't respect my opinion and won't just let me have it. |
SaintEmiya said: Othi-tan said: Here is the problem. Deen is only good at tracing CGs unlike ufo who add tehy own things. Whats wrong with re using what's good? Sometimes just keeping whats good whilst resisting the urge to tamper with something is artistic talent in itself. Either way I'm done with this conversation, you clearly don't respect my opinion and won't just let me have it. Because still images by themselves dont have any impact. Well I am sorry that I cant accept that an inferior series did something better just because you said so.Why do you claim that deen had more impact? Was it emiya.ost,the cg tracing,the constant exchange of blows that didnt convey its message?You claim it had more impact but you dont say why. If you and others think that copying the cg and/or playing a music track all the time is enough to add impact then that is truly, as you say, your opinion. But dont try to elevate it into a fact just because many people say the same thing(or else what was the point of mentioning others?). The fact is that ufo DID way more than deen did. They conveyed many more things.If that lacks impact to you then yeah whatever I say means nothing. |
Inverr said: That is quite different from we are talking about.Of course it could be better.The problem was more how UFO decided to execute it. The sequence from " I am the bone of my sword" to " I won Archer" should have been one fluid sequence (or in Anime's case from the beginning of the episode). I don't mean a great battle, just one fluid sequence, with Shirou's and Archer's thoughts interpreted as they clash. The sequence at the beginning with Archer just standing there was unnecessary and Saber's thoughts right at that very point only weighed it down more. Overall it was good yes, but it could have been much better with some changes. Edit: the music too could have been handled better. |
TheRealDeal51 said: GradationAir said: I know. Can't believe they wasted that many episode on a boring sidestory. Get to the main event dammit. Explaining what the Holy Grail has become and why it was created, essentially revealing the true reason why they are even fighting in the "Holy Grail War" is sidestory? I had no idea. Zero gave us a bit of insight as to why the grail acted the way it did and Why Gil was allowed to remain on earth but this clarified it and went into more depth in some aspects. Yes it is. The main story is Shirou, his ideology and his conflict of ideals. Grail War, especially in UBW where rules are broken, is a sidestory and nothing but a simple catalyst. Explanations on it beyond the bare minimum has no place in UBW as Grail itself is a big mystery till Heaven's Feel. Its not a death game, its not about the war. FSN is Shirou's story and especially UBW. The focus SHOULD by all accounts be on Shirou and his development. When anime onlies believe Shirou's journey to be the "detour"and feel it "dragged on" and "can't wait to go back to the main deal", it is clear ufotable failed. |
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CookingPriest said: When anime onlies believe Shirou's journey to be the "detour"and feel it "dragged on" and "can't wait to go back to the main deal", it is clear ufotable failed. One or ten or more doesn't mean everyone. |
Insertanamehere said: Gil talked about the Grail in the VN too. More than he did here. Clearer and Better exposition =/= More Focus. Gil's explanation in VN is clearer and not as rushed but then again we are watching Unlimited Rush Job Works. However Ufotable managed to make Answer seem like an afterthought and the trimmed speech as "the main focus". |
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KamiCity said: Gil's role in UBW is pretty much just to be the final boss. They're trying really hard in making him a more prominent villain in the anime though. I'd say in FSN his most likeable version is the Fate route one.fimbu1vetr said: Is it just me is Gil way lamer than F/Z lols. Read/watched F/Z only watched UBW. Lamer idk how, although I do agree that his motivations in this route aren't that great. Gil as the final villian here seems out of place, while I liked him a lot more in the Fate route. Still best Gil is supposedly Fate/Extra CCC Gil, which I have yet to play. |
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CookingPriest said: TheRealDeal51 said: Explaining what the Holy Grail has become and why it was created, essentially revealing the true reason why they are even fighting in the "Holy Grail War" is sidestory? I had no idea. Zero gave us a bit of insight as to why the grail acted the way it did and Why Gil was allowed to remain on earth but this clarified it and went into more depth in some aspects. Yes it is. The main story is Shirou, his ideology and his conflict of ideals. Grail War, especially in UBW where rules are broken, is a sidestory and nothing but a simple catalyst. Explanations on it beyond the bare minimum has no place in UBW as Grail itself is a big mystery till Heaven's Feel. Its not a death game, its not about the war. FSN is Shirou's story and especially UBW. The focus SHOULD by all accounts be on Shirou and his development. When anime onlies believe Shirou's journey to be the "detour"and feel it "dragged on" and "can't wait to go back to the main deal", it is clear ufotable failed. It doesn't help that most viewers these days are in it for the Michael Bay effect, but well... such is life. And when the summary of the damn anime is: "Fuyuki City—a city surrounded by the ocean and the mountains becomes the setting for an age-old ritual. To realize the mythical Holy Grail, which is said to grant any wish from its possessor, seven masters are given seven heroic spirits chosen by the Grail. These heroic spirits or servants are: Saber, Lancer, Archer, Rider, Caster, Assassin, Berserker. Each master will enter into a contract with their assigned servants and battle the other masters and servants to the death until only one pair remains... This is the "Holy Grail War."" ^It doesn't help the viewers realise that this is a story about a man and his ideals, not a Survival Game. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. What happens when you don't even lead the horse to the water? I think we have our answer. Geddit? Answer? Ha ha ... HA! |
| "There's no shame in falling down... true shame is to not stand up again!" "Aah? Of course I won't miss!" "My blood tastes like Iron." "Run through the tape in life! Never give up! Run through the tape!" |
| This episode was okay.At last Shinji died,Glad he's done with.He deserve that kind of death.Archer really could've killed Shirou easily but the ideals of Shirou changed his views.But at last he died as a hero saving his own self.The Grail description was good though.Gilgamesh sets his own goals to exterminate humans.It wasn't that exciting but good enough Deserves 4/5 |
| Pretty good episode. Archer died, which was sad. Tho Shinji being the vessel was pretty hilarious lol. He deserved it! Can't wait to see what happens next. |
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| Wow, what an answer I initially thought 10 years after was after DEENs broadcast, but that is about 9 years ago Shinji got Akira'd |
1lauMay 31, 2015 11:47 AM
| Gil really needs to get his F/Z outfit back because the look he has now is lame. Guy can materialize a heart but not his armour? |
Othi-tan said: SaintEmiya said: Whats wrong with re using what's good? Sometimes just keeping whats good whilst resisting the urge to tamper with something is artistic talent in itself. Either way I'm done with this conversation, you clearly don't respect my opinion and won't just let me have it. Because still images by themselves dont have any impact. Well I am sorry that I cant accept that an inferior series did something better just because you said so.Why do you claim that deen had more impact? Was it emiya.ost,the cg tracing,the constant exchange of blows that didnt convey its message?You claim it had more impact but you dont say why. If you and others think that copying the cg and/or playing a music track all the time is enough to add impact then that is truly, as you say, your opinion. But dont try to elevate it into a fact just because many people say the same thing(or else what was the point of mentioning others?). The fact is that ufo DID way more than deen did. They conveyed many more things.If that lacks impact to you then yeah whatever I say means nothing. I lied I guess, not done with this conversation because this frustrated me. I never said DEEN portrayed it better in general, I actually said that UFO was better overall (or at least heavily implied it). ALL I said was that UFO could have cut down on the talking or had some of it done WHILST fighting. They could have had more music playing (which is none to make the atmosphere of scenes more intense) and I said that the final shot of Shirou stabbing Archer was done better in DEEN's IN MY OPINION. I think it LOOKED nicer with the lighting, the mood and Archer's expression. Just saying one more time to avoid confusion. UFO IS NOT WORSE THAN DEEN, DEEN JUST DID SOME THINGS IN SOME PARTS WHICH IN MY OPINION UFO COULD HAVE DONE AS WELL TO MAKE THEIR ADAPTATION BETTER. Just don't put words in my mouth :/ Edit: Removed the aggression, shouldn't escalate things :/. |
SaintEmiyaMay 31, 2015 8:49 AM
TheRealDeal51 said: GradationAir said: I know. Can't believe they wasted that many episode on a boring sidestory. Get to the main event dammit. Explaining what the Holy Grail has become and why it was created, essentially revealing the true reason why they are even fighting in the "Holy Grail War" is sidestory? I had no idea. Zero gave us a bit of insight as to why the grail acted the way it did and Why Gil was allowed to remain on earth but this clarified it and went into more depth in some aspects. lulwut, I'm talking about Shirou and Archer. |
| Nice episode, nice to see Gilgamesh back on track. Also disliked Archer for the most part, but this episode made him more likeable for me. |
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Ragna92 said: KamiCity said: Gil's role in UBW is pretty much just to be the final boss. They're trying really hard in making him a more prominent villain in the anime though. I'd say in FSN his most likeable version is the Fate route one.Lamer idk how, although I do agree that his motivations in this route aren't that great. Gil as the final villian here seems out of place, while I liked him a lot more in the Fate route. Still best Gil is supposedly Fate/Extra CCC Gil, which I have yet to play. Yea I know, I just always felt that Kirie should have been the final boss in UBW, while Gil being the final boss in Fate would have been much more fitting. I understand why Gil has to be the final boss, UBW and stuff but at least they should have left Kirie in until the end in UBW or something. [spoiler] Stabbing him with the dagger he used to kill tohsaka's dad would have been a lot more satisfying in the UBW route[/quote] |
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| I honestly think they tried to make everything showing Shirou from many different perspectives, such as Rin, Archer and even a bit of Caster. A rather risky and daring, but somewhat acceptable decision. But it's obvious that the approach simply didn't work well and they kinda plummeted with this one. It maybe would've worked for Fate as long as they portrayed Shirou's thoughts (which DEEN failed as well), but for UBW and HF that kind of move would have a nasty setbacks if not done right. |
ProphecyPriest said: I honestly think they tried to make everything showing Shirou from many different perspectives, such as Rin, Archer and even a bit of Caster. A rather risky and daring, but somewhat acceptable decision. But it's obvious that the approach simply didn't work well and they kinda plummeted with this one. It maybe would've worked for Fate as long as they portrayed Shirou's thoughts (which DEEN failed as well), but for UBW and HF that kind of move would have a nasty setbacks if not done right. UFO with UBW has actually given me high hopes for the HF route. These last 2 episodes have shown they will delve into the characters minds quite literally and show scenes there. They've done it really well actually based on episode 20 which imo is the best episode in the entire adaptation. It shows they can make certain scenes such as |
| Mighty Wind is a piece of the soundtrack. |
| So Saber was able to detect Gil's swords but Archer couldn't? Whatever, at least that piece of shit Shinji got what he deserved. I knew he was fucked as soon as he called Gil a useless dumbass. I'd give the anime a 10/10 just for that scene. Let's see what next week brings us..... |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. Take me back to the days before MAL became infested with Twitter's favorite buzzwords. |
Insertanamehere said: Mighty Wind is a piece of the soundtrack. Yea I know that, it's one of my favourite pieces, but I also thought it was the name of a scene as well. |
SaintEmiya said: they will delve into the characters minds quite literally and show scenes there > 17 episodes say otherwise > One episode agrees LOLWUT. |
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SaintEmiya said: ProphecyPriest said: I honestly think they tried to make everything showing Shirou from many different perspectives, such as Rin, Archer and even a bit of Caster. A rather risky and daring, but somewhat acceptable decision. But it's obvious that the approach simply didn't work well and they kinda plummeted with this one. It maybe would've worked for Fate as long as they portrayed Shirou's thoughts (which DEEN failed as well), but for UBW and HF that kind of move would have a nasty setbacks if not done right. UFO with UBW has actually given me high hopes for the HF route. These last 2 episodes have shown they will delve into the characters minds quite literally and show scenes there. They've done it really well actually based on episode 20 which imo is the best episode in the entire adaptation. It shows they can make certain scenes such as Nine Bullet Revolver. And yeah, as long as they portray the main point while not leaving the other hints, HF would work pretty well. But like I said, UBW and HF takes Shirou's PoV to its fullest by showing him what is wrong with his mind and how he dealt with it. Especially in HF, where Not having his monologues would just make the watchers not feeling related to his conflicts anymore. |
Shrimperor said: Compare great adapation. the part where emiya played could have been longer as the vn scene here makes it seem like a longer exchange of blows, other than that i think the series did a good job down to the ending scene. the quiet moment where shirou calmly tells archer he won and archer's response. well done ufo episode 8+9 should have been one long episode though or they should have rearranged stuff to have all of archer vs shirou as one entire episode with the episode ending on archer admitting he lost. |
zacrathedemon5 said: Man, the issues with this series are standing out more with every episode. Which is really disappointing me, considering how much I've defended it by now. First off, the constant repetition of basically the exact same thing with the ideals and whatnot started getting really grating. We've been over this extensively by now. We get it. Stop talking, please. It wasn't a repetition. You got Shirou stating why he'll follow the ideal (essentially because it has intrinsic worth) and you had Archer realizing that and shifting his views in the diaologue. It was emotional in the end when he said that it's cruel for him to have to look into his past (i.e Shirou in front of him) and realize how wrong he is now. MaliyaWong said: Tokoya said: ... I'm sorry, I didn't know that I was reading a VN, I could have sworn that this was an anime lol, THIS. I haven't read the VN, so I don't care about it, but this anime is just not that good. It has nice animation and music, yes, but that's it. The plot kind of sucks, and so do the majority of characters (probably because of plot pacing issues). I basically had been rooting for Caster up until her death, and now I'm cheering on Gilgamesh, who I know is also going to die, but whatever, I can't be bothered to root for Shirou anymore, 'cause he's really getting on my nerves. CookingPriest said: When anime onlies believe Shirou's journey to be the "detour"and feel it "dragged on" and "can't wait to go back to the main deal", it is clear ufotable failed. IMO, they did fail, 'cuz it did feel dragged on and a detour. Why is Shirou getting on your nerve? His resolution is one of the best regarding idealistic character. He's focusing on the jourey and not the end of his ideal and realizing the limits. |
CyberNTMay 31, 2015 11:29 AM
| Honestly, I kinda felt the disappointment coming from VN readers. This episode was supposed to be the ultimate clash of ideals and peak psychological warfare at its finest, a pure genius literature showing what makes Kinoko Nasu deemed as one of the best writers in the entire animanga. And no I'm not joking, it's just THAT good. Here it's just like used goods. Something that devoid of any tension and already seen a thousand times that we already got bored by it,rigged by paying so much but feeling all the same. Coupled with how they restricted the important monologues for MC and lacking characterizations for the past episodes, no wonder people are so salty by this episode. It doesn't help that half of the ep was showing Gilgamesh being a walking exposition and tellling everything about his "answer" instead of showing the necessary and let the viewers deduced the rest. |
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| Yep, that's pretty much about this episode. With the ending of "Ah, I forgot something and that teenager stabs me in the gut. Oh well". |
ProphecyPriest said: supposed to be the ultimate clash of ideals and peak psychological warfare at its finest, a pure genius literature showing what makes Kinoko Nasu deemed as one of the best writers in the entire animanga. And no I'm not joking, it's just THAT good holy moly |
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