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May 22, 2015 5:19 AM
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SuperRed said:
I'm sorry Zoro fans:

http://img.mangastream.to/manga/one-piece/770/16-17.png

http://readms.com/r/one_piece/787/2789/16

I just had to point this out, lol.


My problem with this is that Oda is enough of a troll to pull shit like.

OHH now that it stopped I can cut it. Preparation Blablabla whatever move cuts down the Birdage, excusing this chapter with the fact that they had to stop it first before cutting it down-
May 22, 2015 5:24 AM

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FUJITORA, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING???

Looks like Bartolomeo got cheers from Dressrosa people despite how he was hated during colosseum tournament.
May 22, 2015 5:32 AM

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Raijin-sama619 said:
FUJITORA, WHAT THE HELL ARE DOING???

I think he was too busy looking at some pretty lights.
May 22, 2015 6:03 AM

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G_Spark233 said:
Raijin-sama619 said:
FUJITORA, WHAT THE HELL ARE DOING???

I think he was too busy looking at some pretty lights.


How can Fujitora-chan see lights since he's blind?? (sorry)
May 22, 2015 6:13 AM
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Raijin-sama619 said:

I think he was too busy looking at some pretty lights.


How can Fujitora-chan see lights since he's blind?? (sorry)[/quote]

Haki the answer to everything!
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Good point. I was wondering what that meant as well. Thought i was the only one who saw it cause no one had talked about it yet lol


Actually I didn´t think that´s noteworthy to me it looks just like he´throwing meteors at it.


The expression that Fujitora had when he sensed the sparkles was - surprised, so it couldnt be him throwing meteors at it. There were exclamation marks and question marks in his thought bubble.
May 22, 2015 6:41 AM
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Isterio said:


There are like a million excuses I can come up with, all of them are kinda legit so who cares which one we pick. The point still stands. Why doesn´t Fuji make a move or why doesn´t Zorro cut that shit down.

There is one excuse I found to be leigit, it´s the nature ofthe Birdcage to be indestructable and the only way to stop it is Luffy must beat Doffy. That would explain why Fuji isn´t moving since he would have to attack Doffy which he wants to avoid.

Anything else like it´s too strong, or it has Haki embeded in it, I call bullshit on that. If Zorro is incapable Fuji should be able to tear that shit up


There are actually a lot of illegit logic about birdcage.If birdcage is undestructable and if Dofy can create a birdcage large enough to cover a country, he should be able to create a small one to cage Luffy then shrink it. This way, he could win the fight without much effort.


Besides, just how small Dressrosa is? if it only take an hour for a normal human being to run nonstop from the edge of the country to the centre of the country, it pretty much tells how small this country is. The size of the country doesnt justify the population in Dressrosa.
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Luffy is 100% sure that he is going to finish off Doflamingo, and since nothing has worked until now, I think he is going to use a new attack
May 22, 2015 7:44 AM
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Isterio said:

Anyway what dissapoints me and what I found fishy about this chapter is that apparently no one is capable of destroying the Birdcage. And if Zorro and Fuji are capable I do not understand why they fuck around instead of just doing it. Yes some need the fake tension, but it´s still fake tension.

I mean even if the solution is to beat Doffy, does Fuji wait for Luffy to do his job and if he fails, then he´s gonna move. Kinda makes sense, yet it doesn´t explain why he´s incapeable of destroying the Birdcage.


That wouldn't be very surprising. Fuji does know that he can't act on his own and take Dofla down at this point without endangering his position as an admiral. Then it would be much harder to make his plan (destroying the shichibukai) working in the long distance. He also knows that Luffy wants to take Dofla down like he did with other shichis before.

I have mixed feelings with Luffy struggling. On one side I thought G4 would suffice, but on the other side it reliefs me. This is like Croco level before and he also needed once help by Robin (and Pell) and was struggling hard. In comparison to this it's not that bad. I mean, he was like two times nearly dead and even in the end, without the antidote it's over. This is OP and that's how we want it from Oda.
May 22, 2015 8:45 AM

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So 6 minutes have already passed, ok, that went faster than I thought it would go.
May 22, 2015 10:17 AM

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Damn....Burgess...really should take Sabo's Warning seriously. He will be killed if he does not.
BUT DAMN IT STARTED!!! BURGESS VS SABO!!! AND LOOKS SO COOL ALREADY!!
Hunter that hunts Devil Fruit Users....damn Blackbeard Really Plotting Evil Things isn't he

...Small fries..really should just Drop dead...especially Donflamingo Family Small Fries..
But Damn Colosseum Warriors arrive with Style...and Baby 5 still makes me laugh

...wait....Luffy is back to Stregth...in 4 Minutes...and Massacre is in...3 Minutes...OH F**K...only way to survive is actually if Zoro and Co just break the Cage..otherwise it is death
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Isterio said:
Which civilians does he save? None , he did jack shit because of CIS or plot covenience. He just doesn´t do anything, if it wasn´t for King Rikku calling out to his people that Granny would have died, don´t tell me Fuji would have jumped there heroicly to save her, which makes his character stink.

Completely disagree with this and I do not understand why you do point this out. since Fishman island it should be clear what faith Zorro has in his captain and that he never would interrupt one of his fights. This is the opposite of the character we know Zorro to be. I do not understand how someone like you missed out on that, did you just forgott about Punk Hazard and Fishman Island? What you propose here is like making Luffy like women, which could be justfieable but totally out of character.

The only logical scenario would be that Luffy get´s defeated and Zorro substitutes but that would mean that he´ll leave the crew since his captain would have proven to be unreliable
I hope you're not expecting Fuji to be capable of teleporting and saving everybody. His comment on "Is government some kind of God" fits pretty well, he's sensing the catastrophe that befalls the country at this moment, yet he's not allowed to raise hand against DD right now, if he wants to achieve his ultimate goal.

The reason I said that is because the situation is dire right now. In FI, Noah was outside FI, and Zoro would get in Luffy's Elephant Gatling had he interfered; In PH, Luffy had no problem dealing with CC; now in DR, situation clearly doesn't look good. Yes, it doesn't feel good to have Zoro aid his captain, but then again, people are dying.. and more will follow, as time approaches its limit. I know he's trying to break the birdcage and all, but he couldn't right now, so..
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May 22, 2015 6:29 PM
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Silver4000 said:
So 6 minutes have already passed, ok, that went faster than I thought it would go.


If this manga were Dragon Ball a planet would have already exploded! :p

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Great chapter! I don think story will extend too much, probably Doflamingo will be defeated before 790 and Luffy's lack of xp with gear fourth appeared, even if he was stronger for a time, he couldn't fnish the fight quickly. Maybe he'll improve his style in next fights.
May 22, 2015 7:48 PM
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With everything going on, deep in my heart i miss SANJI!!
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I'll be very happy if that lights are Nami's weather bubbles.
May 24, 2015 7:18 AM
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NaughtyNoddy said:
Luffy is 100% sure that he is going to finish off Doflamingo, and since nothing has worked until now, I think he is going to use a new attack


I doubt he will use a new attack, cos Luffy himself mentioned that he will use the same attack to finish Dofy off once he is recovered.
May 24, 2015 4:10 PM

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Nice Chapter Sabo kinda act like Luffy lol i know Sabo and Burgess fight is going to get skipped but i hope to see some of Sabo's techniques
May 25, 2015 1:46 PM

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Man, Burgess is really a dense guy, right? He really thought that Luffy had a Mera Mera fruit... after himself saying that this guy, called Lucy from Colosseum, wasn't Luffy (or at least the guy under the disguise of Lucy, who stole the Mera Mera no Mi, that's it)? He is even more dense, than I expected. With how things go, he may be so dense, that he won't even try to steal other devil fruits' powers when there is a chance (I mean, Doflamingo, Law, hell, Sugar).
May 25, 2015 2:10 PM

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Alejandro13 said:
I think zoro has a hidden power and he will use it to break the birdcage


I am pretty sure Zoro has hidden power stored in his left eye.
It was never stated that he got this from an injury, right?

The birdcage will not be broken. Zoro and the rest are trying to delay the massacre.
+1 min. delay for Luffy to recover and end this with one final attack.
May 25, 2015 7:13 PM
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wakutan said:
Alejandro13 said:
I think zoro has a hidden power and he will use it to break the birdcage


I am pretty sure Zoro has hidden power stored in his left eye.
It was never stated that he got this from an injury, right?


Yes actually he hides the Sharingan underneath it, after losing his left eye his friend
Sakana Uchiha gave it to Zorro before he passed away. With the Sharigan Zorro is capable of keeping up with his fast movement use the windrelease on his blades to enhance their sharpness and even perform Genjutsu on his enemies.
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wakutan said:


I am pretty sure Zoro has hidden power stored in his left eye.
It was never stated that he got this from an injury, right?


Yes actually he hides the Sharingan underneath it, after losing his left eye his friend
Sakana Uchiha gave it to Zorro before he passed away. With the Sharigan Zorro is capable of keeping up with his fast movement use the windrelease on his blades to enhance their sharpness and even perform Genjutsu on his enemies.


You trying to be funny? : )
Keep trying.
May 26, 2015 2:18 PM
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You trying to be funny? : )
Keep trying.


I am not? Thanks for telling me your opinion it really matters to everyone.
May 27, 2015 1:29 AM
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Is no one bussy with the fact that doflamingo sayd a devil fruit user can use his fruit power in a different way? i'm realy curious about that.
And as of this chapter, i can realy feel the tension building up.
May 27, 2015 6:51 AM
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Is no one bussy with the fact that doflamingo sayd a devil fruit user can use his fruit power in a different way? i'm realy curious about that.
And as of this chapter, i can realy feel the tension building up.


What Tension? Do you really think after Punk Hazard that anyone will die?
Oda has the no death policy, even a dog won´t die from this war.

The only sense of danger in One Piece comes from Flashbacks and during Marineford.

Anyone who thinks Sabo, Smoker or any of the Strawhats will die during the story is retarded. I mean it you´re literally retarded if you think that.
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Tension =/= danger of possible death

Death is not the only bad thing that can happen to a character.
May 27, 2015 9:49 AM
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Tension =/= danger of possible death

Death is not the only bad thing that can happen to a character.


What can possibly happen to the main cast/memorable supportive cast of One Piece before the series end. In all honesty? Law got his arm cut off and stiched back on.

We all know people in the One Piece Universe can die besides old age. We know they can lose limbs.This is not Pokemon, but the plot armor has reached unknown heights since Punk Hazard. We simply know although all those possibilities exist they won´t be happening to the "named cast".
The plotarmor actually always was there, but it was never expressively made clear as it was during Punk Hazard..

Remmeber when Arlongs crew sunk a ship with a Whirpool?
I remember. Hachin is a killer. Although he´s played down as harmless and shit, he was the one who created the whirpool drowning a whole ship full of loyal marines trying to safe innocents. Why do many people claim how the Arlong arc is among the best arcs of OP and also the arc where it starts to become interesting? Tension, the arc as a whole was well written, starting from the buildup to the introduction to the conclusion. There was not a single momment where I was sure that everyone is gonna make it. They have been forced to retreat temporarily, everything was open. But since that Arc Oda keeps recycling his formula. Strawhats come to an island. Luffy wastes time for no reason every leader get´s taken out. Luffy beats the final boss.


That´s what creates tension, knowing that although it will not happen, it is a possibility.
Plot armor for the main cast is shonen standard, some authors overrcome it and get praise for that. I do not discredit an author for MC plotarmor if not done blatantly. Ussop imo should have died long ago or actually better not have taken the damage he did. When Zorro/Luffy/Sanji survive a shitload of damage it´s a testiment to their power when Ussop and Papaya/fodder marines do it´s cheap plot armor, that´s tensionbreaking. Everything after Shabondy Archipel untill Fishman Island, was a step into the right direction. Fishman Island was to be expected, I gave this arc a 7. But Punkhazard was shit.I am aware that Oda knows how to come back, the Law flashback is proof! Law flashback 10/10 Dressrosa as a whole 5/10. The whole arc is one big cocktease for mediocore conclusions with a few gems in it. When people claim that OP quality has gone down they are right. Because One Piece had always mediocore to good arcs with few exceptions who were terrible, because unimportant. Punk Hazard was taking several steps backwards after everything was done right and Dressrosa follows that trend.
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What can possibly happen to the main cast/memorable supportive cast of One Piece before the series end. In all honesty? Law got his arm cut off and stiched back on.

Many things can happen. Possibilities create tension, as you said, but while there is not much possibility of death, there are many other situations that could go more than one way.

Sabaody? Anyone died there? No. Was the tension at fucking sky level? Yes, it was. That arc perfectly shows what I'm talking about. None of the main cast died, and by that time we knew just as much as we know now that they won't, and yet the tension was there. Why? Not becasue of "will they survive?" question, but because of "how will they survive?" and by getting them as close to death as possible. It's a trick. We know they won't die, but then Oda drops a situation that seems impossible to escape and that makes us start doubting the no death policy. And then the tension rises becasue what if this is the arc where he breaks the pattern?

Impel Down - did anyone die? No. Was the tension high? Yes. Why? Because of the time limit or the danger that is not based on life and death situation but freedom and imprisonment. We couldn't be sure whether all the characters escape. Bon-chan didn't.
and then there is ace
now let me remind you it is not about whether Ace dies or not. Not this arc. This arc is about whether Luffy is going to reach him before the time runs out. While the event is getting him closer to death, the death itself is not the cause of the tension. It's the task at Luffy's hand that he may or may not fail to accomplish.


Marineford, aside from showing actual deaths, presented the suffering of the main hero which in itself is something that can easily replace the death's place in tension building. Though I know that this would make a much better argument if characters in OP actually went through some serious development, but oh well.

So we have separation, imprisonment, suffering. None is death, yet all are fueling tension.

Enies Lobby - the tension of the arc comes not from the "will robin die or not" but "will they reach her before she crosses the gate of justice"
and even if we assumed that SH are never going to die in this series, the tension was still there, becasue the story could have easily continue into another rescue arc had robin actually went through the gate. So there was no guarantee whether they will save her or not this arc, and that created tension.

Skypiea had the tension built destruction of land, rather than death of people. Enel destroyed whole damn island and he was about to destroy rest of the sky islands and entire upped yard. And once again lack of deaths has nothing to do with tension, because the thing we couldn't be sure about is whether he destroy the sacred ground and homes of all skypieans or not.

Thriller Bark - Kuma wanted to TAKE Luffy, not kill him. A situation similiar to Enies Lobby. If Luffy was taken, a rescue arc could have happened easily, so we couldn't be sure whether someone will stop Kuma or not. And that results in tension. Without anyone's life being in danger.

Fishman island also had tension, not because someone life's was in danger, or becasue of hody. Similiarly to Skypiea, tension was built by the danger of the destruction of Fishman Island. We were told that Luffy will destroy it, but we weren't sure when. It could have been that arc, because it made sense, and that gave us tension.

Dressrosa had the perfect opportnity for some tense moments with the mera mera fruit, but Oda dropped the ball here. We weren't sure about who's gonna eat it, or who's gonna win what round in the tournament, so that was what built the tension in that subplot (the fact that it was meh-ly written all in all is another matter)

As you have said, possibilities create tension, and there is always a possibility of something bad, other than death, happening.

And remember I'm not arguing whether PH or DR have tension, I'm just saying that death is not the only way to create it.
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Pretty sure those strings are rooted in the ground.


There are like a million excuses I can come up with, all of them are kinda legit so who cares which one we pick. The point still stands. Why doesn´t Fuji make a move or why doesn´t Zorro cut that shit down.

There is one excuse I found to be leigit, it´s the nature ofthe Birdcage to be indestructable and the only way to stop it is Luffy must beat Doffy. That would explain why Fuji isn´t moving since he would have to attack Doffy which he wants to avoid.

Anything else like it´s too strong, or it has Haki embeded in it, I call bullshit on that. If Zorro is incapable Fuji should be able to tear that shit up


I can understand your question about Zoro not trying to cut it but in case of Fujitora is pointless to question why his not cutting it.
His power is gravity. Gravity can't help with that cage really. Even if he brinks a huge meteor the meteor is gonna get sliced while going threw the cage and just kill people inside.
It's just a matter of his power being incompatible with this specific problem.
On the other hand Zoro's power perfectly fits with this problem. What Zoro does best is cut things. And what is needed is someone to cut that damn bird cage. So why can't he cut is beyond me. The guy cuts literally threw everything so why can't he cut those strings even with haki on his swords is something i don't get.
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They are trying to stop the cage, cool.
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Warms my heart man, these heartful conversations are everything <3

Luffy really needs some more alone time with Sabo, I pray that they have a talk at some point



Barto is the hype-man, you love to see it!!!
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Oh, I really hope Luffy and Sabo get to have some free time to each other.




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Yeah I just....don't like the 10 minute thing. It really killed momentum imo. Fuck man I was really vibing too.
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Just waiting for Luffy to recover!

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