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wad1992 said: "its archa that makes UBW happen hence he gets more characterization (which comes naturally since his take on the whole ideal issue is the more relevant here, shirou is still shirou until the 3 routes diverge and this is where UBW leads)" damastah said: No, and secondly Shirou is still SHIROU in all 3 routes. It's the way his ideals are extrapolated on that differs in each route, it's why the start is even the same for all 3 in the 1st place. give me a sec ⊜_⊜ im still trying to figure out how the fuk what i just said is different from what u just said. |
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mira-nyan said: MostRealArcher said: WTF why does archer have so much characterization but shirou has close to none? having a foil to a character that is almost non existant loses impact muira. Becuz it's an AU? It was obviously Archer's personal anime since day 1 ~.~ How people failed to notice, I have no idea. The prologue was even from Archer's perspective. Shirou = The MC Shirou= Archer Archer= The MC :p |
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WAD1992 said: wad1992 said: "its archa that makes UBW happen hence he gets more characterization (which comes naturally since his take on the whole ideal issue is the more relevant here, shirou is still shirou until the 3 routes diverge and this is where UBW leads)" damastah said: No, and secondly Shirou is still SHIROU in all 3 routes. It's the way his ideals are extrapolated on that differs in each route, it's why the start is even the same for all 3 in the 1st place. give me a sec ⊜_⊜ im still trying to figure out how the fuk what i just said is different from what u just said. Because what you said, is that Archer is the reason why the UBW route happened: ""its archa that makes UBW happen hence he gets more characterization" Well it's not, it's still Shirou's actions and choices that caused the branching point, it's still Shirou's ideals that get affected, and finally, it's still Shirou who is the MAIN character. |
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| Why would anyone even root for Shirou in the anime? Archer is the badass suffering hero who did lots of good deeds, but if it wasn't for Shirou's idiotic generic ideals he wouldn't have ended up like this. Go Archer, knock some sense into that unlikable idiotic teenager. See the problem here? mira-nyan said: It was obviously Archer's personal anime since day 1 ~.~ How people failed to notice, I have no idea. The prologue was even from Archer's perspective. Pretty much. |
And on the 19th episode, he had risen, as it was foretold. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
Guilek said: mira-nyan said: Becuz it's an AU? It was obviously Archer's personal anime since day 1 ~.~ How people failed to notice, I have no idea. The prologue was even from Archer's perspective. Shirou = The MC Shirou= Archer Archer= The MC :p Clearly Archer is more important :P He even makes cameos in Extra and FGO. Finally people have noticed my superior knowledge. All bow down to me! |
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TrueKirei said: And on the 19th episode, he had risen, as it was foretold. And he'd be like: |
mira-nyan said: Finally people have noticed my superior knowledge. All bow down to me! Careful now, you're going down the Casual Discussion mentality route, that's not good. |
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damastah said: WAD1992 said: give me a sec ⊜_⊜ im still trying to figure out how the fuk what i just said is different from what u just said. Because what you said, is that Archer is the reason why the UBW route happened: ""its archa that makes UBW happen hence he gets more characterization" Well it's not, it's still Shirou's actions and choices that caused the branching point, it's still Shirou's ideals that get affected, and finally, it's still Shirou who is the MAIN character. BUT HE IS !!! its archa's actions that mixes everything up X_X LITERALLY at every juncture , it has ALWAYS been archa. shirou did squat shit :< |
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| I could give this episode a 1000/5 just because Shinji gor rekt. Hands down for Lancer for punching him XD Finnally Shirou and Archer talked a bit... Even though Saber also said some interesting things :P Kirei is Lancers master... I already knew this but I'm still shocked at it xD Well, Shinji being the jerk he is sums the episode. I wish it had fight scenes, but oh well. All in all 5/5 episode. |
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astroprogs said: black1blade said: Someone needs to add the geass symbol to his eyes.  I absolutely love you guys. |
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WAD1992 said: damastah said: Because what you said, is that Archer is the reason why the UBW route happened: ""its archa that makes UBW happen hence he gets more characterization" Well it's not, it's still Shirou's actions and choices that caused the branching point, it's still Shirou's ideals that get affected, and finally, it's still Shirou who is the MAIN character. BUT HE IS !!! its archa's actions that mixes everything up X_X LITERALLY at every juncture , it has ALWAYS been archa. shirou did squat shit :< Shirou still causes the branching point between the 3 routes. |
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WAD1992 said: damastah said: Because what you said, is that Archer is the reason why the UBW route happened: ""its archa that makes UBW happen hence he gets more characterization" Well it's not, it's still Shirou's actions and choices that caused the branching point, it's still Shirou's ideals that get affected, and finally, it's still Shirou who is the MAIN character. BUT HE IS !!! its archa's actions that mixes everything up X_X LITERALLY at every juncture , it has ALWAYS been archa. shirou did squat shit :< *Diddly squat or *Jack shit Pls, get it right :I |
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WAD1992 said: damastah said: But Shirou, the MC, has lesser overall characterization compared to Archer. That's bad. so?? nasu-verse is NOT about one character. shirou might be an MVP but he isnt the only one ..... :< archa is MORE interesting in UBW and shirou , well he got enough fukin development , the guy isnt goin anywhere new .... we GOT HIM already , its archa that is the enigma. Except UBW Shirou did go somewhere new -_- and he is the main focus of UBW. |
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damastah said: Shirou still causes the branching point between the 3 routes. Saber, technically. Shirou ordered the command, but she could've gone the Caster way, and tried to resist it ~.~ |
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damastah said: WAD1992 said: BUT HE IS !!! its archa's actions that mixes everything up X_X LITERALLY at every juncture , it has ALWAYS been archa. shirou did squat shit :< Shirou still causes the branching point between the 3 routes. I don't get the point Wad is making .FSN is about Shirou and his ideals and the different choices he makes. |
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mira-nyan said: *Diddly squat or *Jack shit Pls, get it right :I its actually both ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) but thanks ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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mira-nyan said: damastah said: Shirou still causes the branching point between the 3 routes. Saber, technically. Shirou ordered the command, but she could've gone the Caster way, and tried to resist it ~.~ Saber going the Caster way? Pls stahp |
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damastah said: mira-nyan said: Saber, technically. Shirou ordered the command, but she could've gone the Caster way, and tried to resist it ~.~ Saber going the Caster way? Pls stahp By that I mean resisting the CS, baka :P |
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nocorras said: WAD1992 said: so?? nasu-verse is NOT about one character. shirou might be an MVP but he isnt the only one ..... :< archa is MORE interesting in UBW and shirou , well he got enough fukin development , the guy isnt goin anywhere new .... we GOT HIM already , its archa that is the enigma. Except UBW Shirou did go somewhere new -_- and he is the main focus of UBW. because of archa. and before that he was STILL shirou which had nothing new to add to the mix, so why complain about incomplete characterization while its archa is the one who needs it ??!?!?! in summation: UFO gave archa and shirou well amounts of development, at least , they are enough for BOTH to be coherent and understood well :< |
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WAD1992 said: nocorras said: Except UBW Shirou did go somewhere new -_- and he is the main focus of UBW. because of archa. and before that he was STILL shirou which had nothing new to add to the mix, so why complain about incomplete characterization while its archa is the one who needs it ??!?!?! in summation: UFO gave archa and shirou well amounts of development, at least , they are enough for BOTH to be coherent and understood well :< No because you are still treating Archer as the MC. Get this, a failed future Shirou's character development DOES JACK for a present Shirou in another timeline. |
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FingerMove said: astroprogs said: I absolutely love you guys. |
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astroprogs said: TrueKirei said: And on the 19th episode, he had risen, as it was foretold. And he'd be like: My first proclamation. As for the episode, a masterful return heralding the return of the true Kirei 5/5  |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
WAD1992 said: nocorras said: Except UBW Shirou did go somewhere new -_- and he is the main focus of UBW. because of archa. and before that he was STILL shirou which had nothing new to add to the mix, so why complain about incomplete characterization while its archa is the one who needs it ??!?!?! in summation: UFO gave archa and shirou well amounts of development, at least , they are enough for BOTH to be coherent and understood well :< Maybe because Archer is not the one that needs all the characterization. Shirou, the MC needs characterization. It's not really hard to understand. Archer is not the main. |
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chat77 said: I don't get the point Wad is making .FSN is about Shirou and his ideals and the different choices he makes. and?? does that mean SHIROU 24/7 ?? :@ archa needed his screen time, shirou DID NOT need more, we get what the little fuker wants , its the big red dick that we still didnt understand. and now we do .... |
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| So did this episode mean that Archer basically became Kiritsugu 2.0? |
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chat77 said: WAD Archer is not the MC But Archer is Shirou. Therefore he is the MC... |
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astroprogs said: Why would anyone even root for Shirou in the anime? Archer is the badass suffering hero who did lots of good deeds, but if it wasn't for Shirou's idiotic generic ideals he wouldn't have ended up like this. Go Archer, knock some sense into that unlikable idiotic teenager. exactly. we never saw how much that fire affected him and what those ideals really mean to him. right now he is just some guy who probably watched too much superhero movies when he was a kid. |
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TrueKirei said: And on the 19th episode, he had risen, as it was foretold. *high-fives Partner* |
RedRoseFring said: At least he got to hit Shinji before his sayonara. And what a hit... Also, Kirei got rekt. Watching Tohsaka's rage quit and scumbag Shinji's surprised face - priceless. that Kirei smirk though |
MostRealArcher said: astroprogs said: Why would anyone even root for Shirou in the anime? Archer is the badass suffering hero who did lots of good deeds, but if it wasn't for Shirou's idiotic generic ideals he wouldn't have ended up like this. Go Archer, knock some sense into that unlikable idiotic teenager. exactly. we never saw how much that fire affected him and what those ideals really mean to him. right now he is just some guy who probably watched too much superhero movies when he was a kid. But it's ok we learned all about Archer and apparently he's the most important person in UBW and Shirou doesn't matter since we learned about him in Fate. |
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| So wait, does Rin know he has a daughter? Knight-Artorias said: What is it with Lancer class and having to Well if you stop now, then you'd be going against tradition. And that would be bad. |
mira-nyan said: chat77 said: WAD Archer is not the MC But Archer is Shirou. Therefore he is the MC... stop mocking people -_- no one is reasoning like this .... and once more : WAD1992 said: [/b][/size][b][size=250] archa needed his screen time, shirou DID NOT need more, we get what the little fuker wants , its the big red dick that we still didnt understand. and now we do .... |
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mira-nyan said: chat77 said: WAD Archer is not the MC But Archer is Shirou. Therefore he is the MC... I see your Archer=Shirou and I raise you Ein=Hayate from DOA. |
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WAD1992 said: mira-nyan said: But Archer is Shirou. Therefore he is the MC... stop mocking people -_- no one is reasoning like this .... and once more : WAD1992 said: [/b][/size][b][size=250] archa needed his screen time, shirou DID NOT need more, we get what the little fuker wants , its the big red dick that we still didnt understand. and now we do .... Bold it all you want, it's still wrong. Shirou did need more than what he got. |
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WAD1992 said: mira-nyan said: But Archer is Shirou. Therefore he is the MC... stop mocking people -_- no one is reasoning like this .... and once more : WAD1992 said: [/b][/size][b][size=250] archa needed his screen time, shirou DID NOT need more, we get what the little fuker wants , its the big red dick that we still didnt understand. and now we do .... You CLEARLY are gonna be effed up come "The Answer". |
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damastah said: mira-nyan said: But Archer is Shirou. Therefore he is the MC... I see your Archer=Shirou and I raise you Ein=Hayate from DOA. Me doesn't get. |
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nocorras said: Bold it all you want, it's still wrong. Shirou did need more than what he got. nope :) and u can "circle jerk" about it all u want its STILL gonna be wrong. thats all im going to say ~~~ |
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KumaKing said: Most Lancer's just have no luck I swear... |
ShrimperorMay 16, 2015 1:47 PM
| Well this episode was... not what I was expecting. First of all I don't like them splitting the focus from Archer/Shirou to Rin/Lancer/Kotomine/Shinji multiple times, I feel like it takes away from the immersion. Just as you're getting into Archer's speech it goes to Shinji just being ":O" over and over again. I liked Archer's speech when it wasn't showing his flashbacks, because I honestly couldn't see how they could make a counter guardian's life look boring but somehow UFO did it. Sending counter guardians to kill convoys? Random terrorists? Really? It just looked really unimpressive tbh. Best moments were probably Shinji's though tbh, so hilarious. But what was the point in Saber's flashback? She has no purpose here in this route and they should have characterised her in the first cour. I loved everything about the scenes with Lancer apart from his lack of anger at the command seal, however they seem have made too much of an effort on making Lancer "cool" and "calm" this whole series anyway. Particularly in the Archer vs Lancer second fight, do you remember when they showed Lancer's insane battle hungry grin during that that battle in the V/N contrasting with Archer's struggling concentration? Chills. But in the anime he's dead serious... 4/5 (-point for boring flashbacks) |
bobzanny said: So did this episode mean that Archer basically became Kiritsugu 2.0? I love his sort of hunter/soldier/mercenary's clothes: And personally I find important for Shirou characterization to explain how a Shirou became Emiya Archer. |
WAD1992 said: nocorras said: Bold it all you want, it's still wrong. Shirou did need more than what he got. nope :) and u can "circle jerk" about it all u want its STILL gonna be wrong. thats all im going to say ~~~ It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about so w/e. Have fun being ignorant I guess. |
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| wtf shrimp, spoil tag that shit.... -.- |
Don't you just want to protect that smile? |
FlamepriesT said: wtf shrimp, spoil tag that shit.... -.- changed it xD |
Shrimperor said: TrueKirei said: And on the 19th episode, he had risen, as it was foretold. *high-fives Partner* *high fives back* I see you're already hyped for Heaven's Feel Let's get this show done with so we can move on to the best route! |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
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