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Inugirlz said: You just proved my argument. A genius/prodigy is pretty much what defines OP characters. You seem to not get the fact that using 'prodigy' or 'genius' as an explanation is a cop out. The easy way out of explaining why he's so pro. No more, I don't need to waste my time explaining anymore. You obviously don't agree. And nope by biggest problem is not him being a kid--99% of anime characters are teenagers doesn't change the fact he is one. it's a descriptive word for what he is. But I would like to point out that him being OP has proved to be entertaining. Although I believe it could have been done in a better way to make it less forced. I actually just disproved your argumetn, "because I don't like it," is the laziest way to bash a show. |
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| Btw, about Inaho's eye - no matter how many times I try thinking about it, him seeing the battle near the moon seems over the top. His eye seems as hardly being able to hold a lens powerful enough to offer such a length of view. A software analysis of distorted image could be useful, though it is also limited by the restrictions of lens ability and making the eye a powerful computer contradicts their tech level greatly - nobody in their universe uses computers for combat calcualtions in any significant way, and making him use his braincells for computing also gives him a tech completely without precedents in their world (and far too advanced for most sci-fi universes - I mean, it meshes neural net and electornic interface flawlessly!). Normally you'd expect such a feat from a cyber character, because he can access feeds from more poweful equipment, but it's stated that terrans don't have operational satellites or other means of long-distance surveillance (due to the satellites being destroyed in the first ep., the base in the previous eps, and according to the count in this ep., though A.Z is inconsistent with it). |
deadoptimist said: I honestly don't see how anything you presented can be considered any less boring, or even more entertaining for that matter. In fact your very criticism is uninteresting. You see the issue with what you stated? Ideologically in the most boring way? To who? You? That says very little. Boring by who's standards?You think people like Inaho because they associate themselves with him? What a shallow, superficial way of thinking. "People's opinions differ from mine, it must be some psychological thing" Same goes for the slaine haters out there, the majority of their criticism is just as superficial |
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KamiAlice said: In fact your very criticism is uninteresting. You see the issue with what you stated? Ideologically in the most boring way? To who? You? That says very little. Pls, quote the exact posts you answer to next time. Er, sorry, but you seem to think that you're entitled to something. I don't make you read my comments, nor do I try to entertain you with them. Yep, interesting to me and, possibly, likeminded individuals. That says exactly that. It's normal for non-academic comments on media. If you don't see value of personal opinion, I don't understand what you're doing in the discussion of personal opinions on an episode of an anime. Does the thread says somewhere that it's only for objective discussion of media (ha-ha) or that any utterance in it should be true for anybody? Cause I don't see it. But, actually I base my opinion on a pool of media I have already consumed (as everybody normally does). And because I have some (albeit maybe meager) experience in similar media, I find things that are too common (like a love triangle) less interesting, than things that are much more rare (a creation of a new state). Similarly I think that a more comlex relationship (a development of a new love over the long-held one) is usually more entertaining to watch than a one-note one (an undivided unchanged love towards one individual). All in this context, of course. KamiAlice said: You think people like Inaho because they associate themselves with him? What a shallow, superficial way of thinking. Yeah, I think so, as I've stated. People usually like characters they can associate with, normally it's the MC. And judging from the way people defend Inaho, I think they self-insert themselves and like the shared feeling of achievement. |
deadoptimist said: So basically, you think you are entitled to something, is what you are saying. Funny how it works both ways don't you think?Er, sorry, but you seem to think that you're entitled to something. I don't make you read my comments, nor do I try to entertain you with them. Yep, interesting to me and, possibly, likeminded individuals. That says exactly that. It's normal for non-academic comments on media. If you don't see value of personal opinion, I don't understand what you're doing in the discussion of personal opinions on an episode of an anime. Does the thread says somewhere that it's only for objective discussion of media (ha-ha) or that any utterance in it should be true for anybody? Cause I don't see it. But, actually I base my opinion on a pool of media I have already consumed (as everybody normally does). And because I have some (albeit maybe meager) experience in similar media, I find things that are too common (like a love triangle) less interesting, than things that are much more rare (a creation of a new state). Similarly I think that a more comlex relationship (a development of a new love over the long-held one) is usually more entertaining to watch than a one-note one (an undivided unchanged love towards one individual). All in this context, of course. I don't mind you calling it boring, but to call it boring and blame the show for it is different. Like you said it's your own personal opinion, meaning it's based on your own personal problems, and based on your own personal preferences. That is not an issue with the show whatsoever. Yeah, I think so, as I've stated. People usually like characters they can associate with, normally it's the MC. And judging from the way people defend Inaho, I think they self-insert themselves and like the shared feeling of achievement. Is that necessarily the case though? Not really, if not people would love Oedipus rex because they can somehow relate to him, although in reality they would never wish his life on anyone. You know, killing his father and marrying his mother through a bunch of unavoidable incidences.No people like MC's because they break the mold, because they exist outside of the norm. They are characters that people can never be, and whether they would wish to be them or not varies from person to person. |
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KamiAlice said: So basically, you think you are entitled to something, is what you are saying. Funny how it works both ways don't you think? No, even being generous with acceptance of opponent's logic, I can't see how you came to this conclusion. It's not me demanding some sort of objectivity in discussion of an anime or demanding anything for that matter. A good plot I would like, yes. Do you mean this by any chance? KamiAlice said: Is that necessarily the case though? Not really, if not people would love Oedipus rex because they can somehow relate to him, although in reality they would never wish his life on anyone. You know, killing his father and marrying his mother through a bunch of unavoidable incidences. No people like MC's because they break the mold, because they exist outside of the norm. They are characters that people can never be, and whether they would wish to be them or not varies from person to person. Hm, considering that the point of classic tragedy is achieving catharsis, a level of empathy should be achievable. Oedipus's fate is terrible, but he himself is a sympathetic character and an unwilling criminal. I don't think you would want to go through a story of a character unless you can relate to someone. For example, in many historical novels about important figures reader is supposed to follow a supporting ordinary character, because this character offers a relatavle pov. Self-indert characters are an extreme and arguably bad form of this. Edit: btw, I am going to sleep now, so you can continue this tomorrow, or better start ignoring me. |
KamiAlice said: I actually just disproved your argumetn, "because I don't like it," is the laziest way to bash a show. And yet no one said anywhere that i dislike liked the show. |
DeadOptimist said: I agree that the same love triangle becoming the center again is not interesting. I wonder why can't they make relationship more complex. Slaine having a budding feeling for Lemrina would've been perfect. And Inaho's harem could've added something. Yeah, the romance in this show is pretty bad imo. I understand that it's not supposed to be about romance, but the love-triangle between the main cast is cringeworthy. First of all, Inaho and the Princess barely had any on-screen chemistry at all. It was similar to the Star Wars prequels where George Lucas didn't know a thing about romance. I felt that the writers were more-so telling us that these people are in love, instead of showing it. Honestly, even as underdeveloped as it is, the romance between Inaho and Inko is much more believable. Then the problem with Slaine is that him and the princess haven't talked since episode 1. Why should we care about the romance at all? Side point about Lemrina. I actually think she is already one of the most interesting characters in the cast, and she wasn't in S1! Her vendetta against Vers is much better handled than Rayet's imo. She is much more cunning, but also much more sympathetic. Every scene you get from Rayet is "All Martians are the enemy", while Lemrina's festering hatred only comes out in emotional outbursts. A/Z has given much more substance to Lem's character than almost any girl in the cast lol. DeadOptimist said: And Asseylum us so boring and one note... I am so not looking forward to her acting again. She really does seem to be the embodiment of everything good in the world. She did seem to show some sort of development near the end of S1, but then she got put in a tube for half a season. I really don't know how anyone can claim she is their favorite character, and that is why I think she fails as a part of the main cast. This is piggybacking off the "romance" rant above, but it's true. She is basically just serving as a catalyst for the conflict between Slaine and Inaho, which is a sorry excuse for a character. I honestly hope for this reason she doesn't choose a side and finally does something by herself. DeadOptimist said: In any case, it's a great pity, that there was not a moment of Slaine's and Lemrina's plan cooperative plan working allowed. I mean, they could've shown them on the top, if only to make them fall harder. New royalty and rebel nobles - isn't it fun? This would have been pretty great. They probably would have needed more episodes to show Slaine's plan actually be put into motion, but I have a feeling we won't see any of it. I mean, when Inaho comes to save the day, the impact of taking down Slaine when he's already on top would have had more impact than killing Slaine before he has even started to accomplish things. You can't help but just think of the multiple directions they could take Slaine's character, but the episode count is telling me we will probably get a predictable end result. I just hope that Gen makes it as fun as it can be. |
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deadoptimist said: Btw, about Inaho's eye - no matter how many times I try thinking about it, him seeing the battle near the moon seems over the top. His eye seems as hardly being able to hold a lens powerful enough to offer such a length of view. A software analysis of distorted image could be useful, though it is also limited by the restrictions of lens ability and making the eye a powerful computer contradicts their tech level greatly - nobody in their universe uses computers for combat calcualtions in any significant way, and making him use his braincells for computing also gives him a tech completely without precedents in their world (and far too advanced for most sci-fi universes - I mean, it meshes neural net and electornic interface flawlessly!). Normally you'd expect such a feat from a cyber character, because he can access feeds from more poweful equipment, but it's stated that terrans don't have operational satellites or other means of long-distance surveillance (due to the satellites being destroyed in the first ep., the base in the previous eps, and according to the count in this ep., though A.Z is inconsistent with it). I think theoretically both of these things is possible. Currently we use telescopes in space to peek at distant planets and galaxies. We do that by pointing the lens in the direction and absorbing light over long period of time. If you want to know more, check Kepler's wiki. As for the brain stuff, I facepalm myself when I think about it too much. It is theoretically possible, I would say. But letting a third party control when your brain cells fire electric impulses is probably a dangerous thing to do. I bet such implant would make Adam Jensen jealous. |
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Inugirlz said: KamiAlice said: I actually just disproved your argumetn, "because I don't like it," is the laziest way to bash a show. And yet no one said anywhere that i dislike liked the show. Never said anything about the show, the show isn't what you dislike. |
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KamiAlice said: Inugirlz said: And yet no one said anywhere that i dislike liked the show. Never said anything about the show, the show isn't what you dislike. Then what sir do i dislike? Because i don't necessarily dislike Inaho either. What I dislike (for valid reasons) are all these cheap upgrades he's been getting, as if he needed them in the first place. |
Inugirlz said: KamiAlice said: Never said anything about the show, the show isn't what you dislike. Then what sir do i dislike? Because i don't necessarily dislike Inaho either. What I dislike (for valid reasons) are all these cheap upgrades he's been getting, as if he needed them in the first place. Exactly, those "cheap" upgrades that are only cheap because you dislike them. You keep saying he didn't need them, but given Slaines upgrade in ability, they are necessary in order for Inaho to compete. Therefore the only reason you dislike them, has nothing to do with the show, and it's only an issue because you wish they did something else. Either way, fine we'll leave it at that. You think your reasoning is valid, I see no reason to complain about it. |
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bayanime14 said: So can we all agree that Slaine was keeping Princess Asseylum in a Forcefully Induced Coma. He was keeping the princess in that coma so that he could go about his business without her interfering. As soon as Lemrina turned off the "LIFE SUPPORT" she woke up. He's taking the quote of the series " Let Justice Be Done Through The Heavens Fall " to heart. In his mind the princess will forgive him for the War and murder he has caused because in the end he is doing it all for her. SLAINE IS A DELUSIONAL CRAZY CREEPY MOFO!!! Noooo. You think so?  |
Inugirlz said: KamiAlice said: Never said anything about the show, the show isn't what you dislike. Then what sir do i dislike? Because i don't necessarily dislike Inaho either. What I dislike (for valid reasons) are all these cheap upgrades he's been getting, as if he needed them in the first place. Because you do not search a bit, before leaving throwing your personal tastes. Prostheses and implants Brain, are already studied, and have heard several experiments on animals. Some in brain implants involve creating interfaces between neural systems and computer chips. And lamentable you go out shooting with his passion for his character, without first investigating whether it is possible to occur. It is regrettable that people do not do research before commenting. And just attack. Cyberneticas prostheses linked to Brain implant, are already studied, and are already becoming routine. The "hatpin" electrodes were made of pure iridium and insulated with Parylene-c, materials that are currently used in the Cyberkinetics implementation of the Utah array.[4] These same electrodes, or derivations thereof using the same biocompatible electrode materials, are currently used in visual prosthetics laboratories,[5] laboratories studying the neural basis of learning,[6] and motor prosthetics approaches other than the Cyberkinetics probes.[7] Brain implant Brain implants, often referred to as neural implants, are technological devices that connect directly to a biological subject's brain - usually placed on the surface of the brain, or attached to the brain's cortex. A common purpose of modern brain implants and the focus of much current research is establishing a biomedical prosthesis circumventing areas in the brain that have become dysfunctional after a stroke or other head injuries. This includes sensory substitution, e.g., in vision. Other brain implants are used in animal experiments simply to record brain activity for scientific reasons. Some brain implants involve creating interfaces between neural systems and computer chips. This work is part of a wider research field called brain-computer interfaces. (Brain-computer interface research also includes technology such as EEG arrays that allow interface between mind and machine but do not require direct implantation of a device.) Neural implants such as deep brain stimulation and Vagus nerve stimulation are increasingly becoming routine for patients with Parkinson's disease and clinical depression respectively, proving themselves a boon for people with diseases which were previously regarded as incurable. The "hatpin" electrodes were made of pure iridium and insulated with Parylene-c, materials that are currently used in the Cyberkinetics implementation of the Utah array.[4] These same electrodes, or derivations thereof using the same biocompatible electrode materials, are currently used in visual prosthetics laboratories,[5] laboratories studying the neural basis of learning,[6] and motor prosthetics approaches other than the Cyberkinetics probes.[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_implant. The unique ridiculous and cheap things are m.echas with super powers that run fantasios powers of the beyond. Cybernetic prostheses, and Brain implant are studied for a long time, and will be possible in near future, not to mention that fit perfectly in the science fiction genre. Ja ridiculous things, like super powers Aldnoah, predict the future, and premonition are just childish fantasies, fairy tale that children believe. These children's powers are not only cheap, most are ridiculous. If you did not know, intelligence, and Inaho skills are present, since the beginning of Anime. And you are characteristics appear in the description of your character that you find on the Sites, from the first tempora. Aoki describes Inaho, as someone calm and intelligent. However the only who won updates in season are Slaine. And it is visible. In the first season he was a crybaby, had no planning, did not show intelligence, acted without thinking, and it was a reasonable pilot mecha. However after the second season, his character changed completely, giving several upgrades, he is smarter, has gimmicks, transformed into a super mecha pilot, nor will the sitar ridiculous lock with super powers. This rather are forced upgrades, to transform a weak character, a super-gary stu. It seems even game R.P.G. simply filled the bars of power, of his character. there is no development in Sliene, the writers simply filled it forced upgrades, and have skills that he had not. A nobody is smart |
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seujair31 said: Ja ridiculous things, like super powers Aldnoah, predict the future, and premonition are just childish fantasies, fairy tale that children believe. These children's powers are not only cheap, most are ridiculous. I hate to burst your bubble again seujair, but predicting the future through the Tharsis can theoretically be possible through time/space relativity. Have you ever seen the movie Interstellar? If we are to believe that the Aldnoah technology was not built by humans, then it is possible that the Martians were/are possibly 5-dimensional creatures. Even if they are not, they could have had influences from a theoretical 5th dimension. Humans can't really comprehend 5 dimensions, because we can only understand 3 dimensions (4th being space and time). Obviously, since again, we cannot comprehend 5 dimensions, there is no concrete way to explain it, However, this is my best interpretation (taken from reddit). The 5th dimension is every possible timeline of a 3rd dimensional universe. Its easier to imagine the 4th dimension as a line and the 5th dimension as a "space" for other timelines to exist. This makes it quite easy for the advanced races to predict success. In fact they could see every failure timeline and every successful timeline so it was just a matter of picking an efficient way of helping. For them hindsight and foresight are 20/20, as well as infinitely wise. Oh and nice copy+paste of a whole wikipedia page about brain implants. That really helped your argument a ton /s. Either way, I doubt the writers put a ton of thought into either Inaho's eye or the prediction ability of the Tharsis. |
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Savethebestforu said: seujair31 said: Ja ridiculous things, like super powers Aldnoah, predict the future, and premonition are just childish fantasies, fairy tale that children believe. These children's powers are not only cheap, most are ridiculous. I hate to burst your bubble again seujair, but predicting the future through the Tharsis can theoretically be possible through time/space relativity. Have you ever seen the movie Interstellar? If we are to believe that the Aldnoah technology was not built by humans, then it is possible that the Martians were/are possibly 5-dimensional creatures. Even if they are not, they could have had influences from a theoretical 5th dimension. Humans can't really comprehend 5 dimensions, because we can only understand 3 dimensions (4th being space and time). Obviously, since again, we cannot comprehend 5 dimensions, there is no concrete way to explain it, However, this is my best interpretation (taken from reddit). The 5th dimension is every possible timeline of a 3rd dimensional universe. Its easier to imagine the 4th dimension as a line and the 5th dimension as a "space" for other timelines to exist. This makes it quite easy for the advanced races to predict success. In fact they could see every failure timeline and every successful timeline so it was just a matter of picking an efficient way of helping. For them hindsight and foresight are 20/20, as well as infinitely wise. Oh and nice copy+paste of a whole wikipedia page about brain implants. That really helped your argument a ton /s. Either way, I doubt the writers put a ton of thought into either Inaho's eye or the prediction ability of the Tharsis. Burst my bubble, you're a joke, you evaluate, a mecha anime, as it evaluates an anime costumes. with your personal taste, the fantasy genre. Clearly you are fan of the fantasy genre. Again with abstract evidence, taken from movies. While my exams are real, and drawn from facts that can happen in real life. Everything you describe is abstract, that do not exist, all fantasy, you face is not fan of mecha genre, this very clear. What do you like and costumes, unreal facts, which are happening in movies and anime. Slaine is a very childish characters, their background history is nothing but a fairy tale, only in fairy tales is the prince who saves the princess, bi casi of Slaine, your rocket falls in the bathroom, and the princess saves Slaine with mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, is totally childish and ridiculous. The part he is reading fairy tales books, and talking birds and flowers, is typical thing shoujo character. |
bayanime14 said: So can we all agree that Slaine was keeping Princess Asseylum in a Forcefully Induced Coma. He was keeping the princess in that coma so that he could go about his business without her interfering. As soon as Lemrina turned off the "LIFE SUPPORT" she woke up. He's taking the quote of the series " Let Justice Be Done Through The Heavens Fall " to heart. In his mind the princess will forgive him for the War and murder he has caused because in the end he is doing it all for her. SLAINE IS A DELUSIONAL CRAZY CREEPY MOFO!!! Absolutely not, we cannot agree that Slaine was forcing the coma. There is still nothing conclusive that Slaine or Lemrina was keeping her in a forced coma. The only person we've seen mess with the controls is Lemrina herself, though I'd be willing to accept that Slaine must also know how to work them, and possibly even someone like Edelrittuo. In any case, there's only a small bit of evidence to support the theory, hardly enough to be conclusive. The princess woke up after Lemrina shut down some functions, which she then restarted. There are several reasons the princess could have woken up: - It really was a function of the machine keeping her asleep. - She was going to wake up soon from the coma anyway, and did (at the most dramatic moment, of course). - The loss of machine functions jumped something in her body, causing her to become more active. In the second two situations, there's nothing to support a forced coma. In the first situation, there's still at least 2 paths to take: - One of the functions was turned on to keep her asleep specifically to keep her in a coma. - One of the functions was keeping her asleep, but its main purpose has something to do with healing / helping her recover, and it was on for that reason, not to keep her in a coma. We'll see what next episode turns up. If they address the issue, it'd be nice. Aldnoah doesn't do a lot of subtlety. If she was really in a forced coma, I expect it to be brought up, especially in a confrontation between the princess and Slaine/Lemrina. If it isn't brought up, then I'd assume there wasn't a forced coma. |
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seujair31 said: Burst my bubble, you're a joke, you evaluate, a mecha anime, as it evaluates an anime costumes. with your personal taste, the fantasy genre. Clearly you are fan of the fantasy genre. Again with abstract evidence, taken from movies. While my exams are real, and drawn from facts that can happen in real life. Everything you describe is abstract, that do not exist, all fantasy, you face is not fan of mecha genre, this very clear. What do you like and costumes, unreal facts, which are happening in movies and anime. Slaine is a very childish characters, their background history is nothing but a fairy tale, only in fairy tales is the prince who saves the princess, bi casi of Slaine, your rocket falls in the bathroom, and the princess saves Slaine with mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, is totally childish and ridiculous. The part he is reading fairy tales books, and talking birds and flowers, is typical thing shoujo character. This is too funny. You are so mad. You spend a month bitching about this show being a "science fantasy". From your beloved wikipedia: Science fiction is a genre of fiction dealing with imaginative content such as futuristic settings, futuristic science and technology, space travel, time travel, faster than light travel, parallel universes and extraterrestrial life. |
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Savethebestforu said: Either way, I doubt the writers put a ton of thought into either Inaho's eye or the prediction ability of the Tharsis. Actually I would think they did put a lot of thought into it, I just don't think they need to go into full detail as to why they work. As long as they are both theoretically possible they both work. This is the science FICTION genre right. Imagine if we got detailed explanations as to why every Aldnoah powered mechs abilities were theoretically possible.... ANGRY2011 said: Absolutely not, we cannot agree that Slaine was forcing the coma. There is still nothing conclusive that Slaine or Lemrina was keeping her in a forced coma. The only person we've seen mess with the controls is Lemrina herself, though I'd be willing to accept that Slaine must also know how to work them, and possibly even someone like Edelrittuo. In any case, there's only a small bit of evidence to support the theory, hardly enough to be conclusive. The princess woke up after Lemrina shut down some functions, which she then restarted. There are several reasons the princess could have woken up: - It really was a function of the machine keeping her asleep. - She was going to wake up soon from the coma anyway, and did (at the most dramatic moment, of course). - The loss of machine functions jumped something in her body, causing her to become more active. In the second two situations, there's nothing to support a forced coma. In the first situation, there's still at least 2 paths to take: - One of the functions was turned on to keep her asleep specifically to keep her in a coma. - One of the functions was keeping her asleep, but its main purpose has something to do with healing / helping her recover, and it was on for that reason, not to keep her in a coma. We'll see what next episode turns up. If they address the issue, it'd be nice. Aldnoah doesn't do a lot of subtlety. If she was really in a forced coma, I expect it to be brought up, especially in a confrontation between the princess and Slaine/Lemrina. If it isn't brought up, then I'd assume there wasn't a forced coma. You should also add that there is no indication that Slaine himself knows how the machine works, for all we know it was all Sausbamm, and Slaine is just there waiting for her to wake up. |
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Savethebestforu said: seujair31 said: Burst my bubble, you're a joke, you evaluate, a mecha anime, as it evaluates an anime costumes. with your personal taste, the fantasy genre. Clearly you are fan of the fantasy genre. Again with abstract evidence, taken from movies. While my exams are real, and drawn from facts that can happen in real life. Everything you describe is abstract, that do not exist, all fantasy, you face is not fan of mecha genre, this very clear. What do you like and costumes, unreal facts, which are happening in movies and anime. Slaine is a very childish characters, their background history is nothing but a fairy tale, only in fairy tales is the prince who saves the princess, bi casi of Slaine, your rocket falls in the bathroom, and the princess saves Slaine with mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, is totally childish and ridiculous. The part he is reading fairy tales books, and talking birds and flowers, is typical thing shoujo character. This is too funny. You are so mad. You spend a month bitching about this show being a "science fantasy". From your beloved wikipedia: Science fiction is a genre of fiction dealing with imaginative content such as futuristic settings, futuristic science and technology, space travel, time travel, faster than light travel, parallel universes and extraterrestrial life. you do not know that science fiction is different from science fantasy. Without the technical, data provided, and without explanation, everything becomes abstract and fantasy. If they tifecem provided us with technical information on the aldnoah power, how it came about, as it turned out, as the first person became infected, if the locks were found or constructed, as the Martians mech.as work, hence the special abilities . I'm sorry, most vocer to use super powers without technical explanations, they can not be classified as science fiction, if they explain and provide the data, would abstract and fanciful, for something of fiction. If you want to use his super powers, and element of fantasy, at least try the operation, and the technical data through the scientific theories. otherwise will always be considered scientific fantasy Get the latest anime mecha, also had alien technology. valvrave the liberator, was a runaway train, but explained very well, the Mecha.s on both sides worked, how they were created, and what your purpose. Also esplicaram over the powers of runes. Ginga Kikoutai Majestic Prince, who had the best battles in recent strands. also explained on genetically modified children called "princes" are artificially bred and trained to be armed robot pilots "AHSMB," said the princess Wulgaru "Theory" ran away from his home planet bringing schemes of robots AHSMB along with it. Explained perfectly the Julian system evolves through self defense consists pilot. If you want to use fantasy in m.ecaha genre, at least in the tranformem scientific data, and a good explanation of it, of how, its origin, as it turned out, as mech.as were created, or were found, as the super powers work. Otherwise it's all abstract fantasy, without such data anyone can create fanciful arguments of how they work. The Aoki team is jam without experience people in the genus mech.a. Even Aoki, did not have much experience with mech.a, he should have assembled a team with experienced person on the genre. I hope these people never try to create an anime mech.a because it is clear that the area of them is another. valvrave the liberator and Ginga Kikoutai Majestic Prince, may not be the best thing in the world, in more technical terms, along with the explanations provided in, are much more conficente in relation to gender mech.a than Aldnoah.Zero. Both valvrave the liberator and Ginga Kikoutai Majestic Prince, fit more in mech.a genre that aldnoah.zero, connected to cheap dramas, and does not provide any technical information are the Martians and their technology. |
| [quote=KamiAlice] Savethebestforu said: Either way, I doubt the writers put a ton of thought into either Inaho's eye or the prediction ability of the Tharsis. Actually I would think they did put a lot of thought into it, I just don't think they need to go into full detail as to why they work. As long as they are both theoretically possible they both work. This is the science FICTION genre right. Imagine if we got detailed explanations as to why every Aldnoah powered mechs abilities were theoretically possible.... **************************************************************************** valvrave the liberator and Ginga Kikoutai Majestic Prince, may not be the best thing in the world, more in both provided us with technical data on the technologies used. If you have to use super powers fanciful, you have to prove them within the science fiction field, and as you race through explanation and technical data. otherwise shall be all abstract, that is something that has foundations, something only imaginary, it is not known origin. |
seujair31 said: I no like Aldnoah Zero becuz it not real mech.a. aldnoa is cheep shoujo fairy tale slaine no mecha. So you enjoy formulaic shows in the mecha genre and don't encourage change at all. I think I understood that right. I hate how I'm having to defend Aldnoah Zero because I never said it's a great/good show, but you are just...one of a kind. |
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Savethebestforu said: seujair31 said: I no like Aldnoah Zero becuz it not real mech.a. aldnoa is cheep shoujo fairy tale slaine no mecha. So you enjoy formulaic shows in the mecha genre and don't encourage change at all. I think I understood that right. I hate how I'm having to defend Aldnoah Zero because I never said it's a great/good show, but you are just...one of a kind. Wait wait, this is it. This is what makes seujair work. He doesn't only hate Slaine with all of his might, he hates Aldnoah as a whole, to the factor of Slaine, because it is destroying his genre. The mecha genre, which is certainly destined to be forever altered or killed altogether by this one show. |
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fst said: I kind of want to get in on this, but deciphering his posts is just too much effort. Why do you think I just ignore him -_- I even know 2 of the languages he speaks, and I still can't even remotely tell what he is saying. |
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Savethebestforu said: seujair31 said: I no like Aldnoah Zero becuz it not real mech.a. aldnoa is cheep shoujo fairy tale slaine no mecha. So you enjoy formulaic shows in the mecha genre and don't encourage change at all. I think I understood that right. I hate how I'm having to defend Aldnoah Zero because I never said it's a great/good show, but you are just...one of a kind. Gundam, Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199, Soukyuu no Fafner: Dead Aggressor, Neon Genesis Evangelion, all they gave us explanations, basic techniques and on the use of locks, and its technologies. Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch (Wikipedeia) コードギアス反逆のルルーシュ ( Kodo Giasu: Hangyaku não Rurūshu ) Gênero: Mecha, Alternate history, *Science fantasy, Drama Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch (myanimelist.net) Genres: Action, Drama, Mecha, Sci-Fi, Super Power, Military ************************************************** Aldnoah. Zero (Wikipedeia) アルドノア・ゼロ (Arudonoa Zero) Genre: Action, Mecha Aldnoah.Zero, (myanimelist.net) Genres: Action, Mecha, Sci-Fi ********************************************************** It is clear that Aldnoah.Zero, fits more with anime like Code Geass, than with any other famous anime mecha why not cited Drama, Super Power, Military, and science fiction genres in Aldnoah.Zero of which are visible |
seujair31 said: Savethebestforu said: So you enjoy formulaic shows in the mecha genre and don't encourage change at all. I think I understood that right. I hate how I'm having to defend Aldnoah Zero because I never said it's a great/good show, but you are just...one of a kind. Gundam, Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199, Soukyuu no Fafner: Dead Aggressor, Neon Genesis Evangelion, all they gave us explanations, basic techniques and on the use of locks, and its technologies. Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch (Wikipedeia) コードギアス反逆のルルーシュ ( Kodo Giasu: Hangyaku não Rurūshu ) Gênero: Mecha, Alternate history, *Science fantasy, Drama Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch (myanimelist.net) Genres: Action, Drama, Mecha, Sci-Fi, Super Power, Military ************************************************** Aldnoah. Zero (Wikipedeia) アルドノア・ゼロ (Arudonoa Zero) Genre: Action, Mecha Aldnoah.Zero, (myanimelist.net) Genres: Action, Mecha, Sci-Fi ********************************************************** It is clear that Aldnoah.Zero, fits more with anime like Code Geass, than with any other famous anime mecha why not cited Drama, Super Power, Military, and science fiction genres in Aldnoah.Zero of which are visible Because it doesn't have much character drama? Because Aldnoah isn't really a super power in the traditional sense? Because Sci-Fi is already listed? |
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| I am genuinely surprised that this show is garnering 26 pages of discussion for an episode discussion. Color me impressed. |
Borgov said: I am genuinely surprised that this show is garnering 26 pages of discussion for an episode discussion. Color me impressed. Really? After how season 1 ended, that's a surprise to you? |
ANGRY2011 said: Wait wait, this is it. This is what makes seujair work. He doesn't only hate Slaine with all of his might, he hates Aldnoah as a whole, to the factor of Slaine, because it is destroying his genre. The mecha genre, which is certainly destined to be forever altered or killed altogether by this one show. We are slowly peeling the onion. I'm kind of ashamed that I can be considered an expert on deciphering the meaning of seujair's posts. KamiAlice said: Why do you think I just ignore him -_- I even know 2 of the languages he speaks, and I still can't even remotely tell what he is saying. And I thought I was confused...I can't imagine what you are going through. Borgov said: I am genuinely surprised that this show is garnering 26 pages of discussion for an episode discussion. Color me impressed. Implying half of this thread isn't a result of seujair and a couple other users' inability to properly quote things. |
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fst said: seujair31 said: Gundam, Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199, Soukyuu no Fafner: Dead Aggressor, Neon Genesis Evangelion, all they gave us explanations, basic techniques and on the use of locks, and its technologies. Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch (Wikipedeia) コードギアス反逆のルルーシュ ( Kodo Giasu: Hangyaku não Rurūshu ) Gênero: Mecha, Alternate history, *Science fantasy, Drama Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch (myanimelist.net) Genres: Action, Drama, Mecha, Sci-Fi, Super Power, Military ************************************************** Aldnoah. Zero (Wikipedeia) アルドノア・ゼロ (Arudonoa Zero) Genre: Action, Mecha Aldnoah.Zero, (myanimelist.net) Genres: Action, Mecha, Sci-Fi ********************************************************** It is clear that Aldnoah.Zero, fits more with anime like Code Geass, than with any other famous anime mecha why not cited Drama, Super Power, Military, and science fiction genres in Aldnoah.Zero of which are visible Because it doesn't have much character drama? Because Aldnoah isn't really a super power in the traditional sense? Because Sci-Fi is already listed? Unlike. they are not mentioned in descriptions of the anime. Most all of these that you quoted, are found in aldnoah.zero. The discursão is about, science fiction and science fantasy. That is science fiction has a logic, and it is provided through the explanations, statements, theories, and technical data on the technology used, and the origin of the super powers, and locks as well as its operation, are shown to the right of the anime Fantasy Scientific, is in the field abstract, unreal, imaginary, a power that you do not know how it came about, a technology that can not be proved by science fiction, that is a fantasy a fairy tale, something which is present in the anime more you do not intende how it works, you do not know how it came about. |
ANGRY2011 said: There are several reasons the princess could have woken up: I also felt that Slaine's whole blue roses speech and the struggle with the impossible a strong indicator that the coma was not induced, at least not intentionally by him. |
Borgov said: I am genuinely surprised that this show is garnering 26 pages of discussion for an episode discussion. Color me impressed. You should take a step into the Fate/Stay Night forums, this is nothing. |
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seujair31 said: KamiAlice said: Why do you think I just ignore him -_- I even know 2 of the languages he speaks, and I still can't even remotely tell what he is saying. vou falar na minha lingua nativa. vocer quer ignorar, o fato claro que existe diferenças entre ficção cientifica e fantasia cientifica. Se você, quer usar algo como super poderes, mechas que podem prever o futuro, ou fazem premonições, ou que tem um poder ireal, você no minimo tem que provar ele dentro do campo da ficção cientifica. Estás explicações tem que ser firme, ou seja ela tem que nos ser transmitidas atraves de dados tecnicos, e explicações. Todos os animes de Mecha de grande sucesso, nos passaram dados tecnicos, de como sua tecnologia e do funcionamento dos seus mechas. É o minimo que se pode esperar de um anime do genero mecha. Aparti do ponto que essa teorias, super poderes, não são explicados, isso se torna abristrato, ilusorio, e entra no campo da fantasia cientifica, ou sexa algo sobre natural, que não possui logica ou explicações, convicentes sobre os fatos. Spanish NOT portuguese SPANISH -_- I can make out most portuguese but it is still a pain for me. |
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TooFy said: ANGRY2011 said: There are several reasons the princess could have woken up: I also felt that Slaine's whole blue roses speech and the struggle with the impossible a strong indicator that the coma was not induced, at least not intentionally by him. I can see that. I think it can either have 2 meanings, or perhaps both: - He believes the princess isn't coming back. - He believes even if she does come back that it won't work out for him. |
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slcmmt said: Um, I actually really like Slaine as a character... Awk. Don't feel bad. We're all entitled to our own opinions. ANGRY2011 said: TooFy said: I also felt that Slaine's whole blue roses speech and the struggle with the impossible a strong indicator that the coma was not induced, at least not intentionally by him. I can see that. I think it can either have 2 meanings, or perhaps both: - He believes the princess isn't coming back. - He believes even if she does come back that it won't work out for him. I feel like it would just be a big slap in the face if he (Slaine) really was keeping her asleep (for non-medical purposes). I mean this whole time we're lead to believe he truly cares about her and wants whats best for her, only to find out he really has gone lunatic. It would just be sad if they turn him into some twisted villain. |
fst said: Borgov said: I am genuinely surprised that this show is garnering 26 pages of discussion for an episode discussion. Color me impressed. Really? After how season 1 ended, that's a surprise to you? 800's rank on MAL First review of this is a 3 People bitching and complaining about how shit the anime is after it ended last season. So it would be no surprise to me that the show would have plummeted in interest. |
Borgov said: fst said: Really? After how season 1 ended, that's a surprise to you? 800's rank on MAL First review of this is a 3 People bitching and complaining about how shit the anime is after it ended last season. So it would be no surprise to me that the show would have plummeted in interest. We've already established that most people complaining about the show are pretty much tsundere's, at least that my minds reasoning of it. |
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KamiAlice said: You do understand anyone can go change that right? I mean it has an EDIT button on the top of the page. te estás olvidando el hecho de que existen claras diferencias entre la ciencia ficción y la fantasía de la ciencia. Si quieres usar algo como superpoderes, robots que pueden predecir el futuro, o hacer premoniciones, o tiene un poder irreal, lo mínimo que tiene que demostrar, que el poder dentro del campo de la ciencia ficción. Sus explicaciones tienen que ser firmes, los escritores tienen que pasar a través de los datos técnicos y explicaciones firmes acerca de su uso. (Yoshiyuki Tomino, creador de Gundam, utilice siempre una frase "No importa lo absurdo utilizado en el anime, ya que se puede provalos, y mostrar a sus fans") Todo el anime blockbuster Mecha, nos proporcionó los datos técnicos, como la tecnología y el funcionamiento de sus hebras. Es lo menos que se puede esperar de un género del anime mecha, puede usar sus súper poderes, y alienigina tecnología, y otras cosas, siempre y cuando se puede demostrar que están dentro de la ciencia ficción, su funcionamiento y su origen. Aparti el punto de que tales teorías, superpoderes, no se explican, se vuelve abstracto, ilusoria, y entra en el campo de la fantasía científica, o algo sobre sexa natural, que no tiene lógica, que no puede ser explicado, los escritores no lo hacen proporcionar datos convincentes sobre los hechos de estas tecnologías y poderes especiales. convertido en una fantasía, que se deja a los fans imaginar su funcionamiento y sus orígenes. eso es mejor. hay una enorme diferencia entre la lengua portuguesa utilizada en Brasil, con la lengua portuguesa usada en portugual. |
Borgov said: 800's rank on MAL First review of this is a 3 People bitching and complaining about how shit the anime is after it ended last season. So it would be no surprise to me that the show would have plummeted in interest. It's the most polarizing show in recent memory. The whole point of the show is the conflict between the 2 main characters, which in turn makes the fans of both characters enter nuclear warfare in the forums. Oh and also, you should read the second review of the show where the guy rates it a 10. It's all satire. |
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Inugirlz said: I feel like it would just be a big slap in the face if he (Slaine) really was keeping her asleep (for non-medical purposes). I mean this whole time we're lead to believe he truly cares about her and wants whats best for her, only to find out he really has gone lunatic. It would just be sad if they turn him into some twisted villain. I think it would be boring for them to go the stereotypical "he's so crazy yandere" route. I'd prefer something more calm, like the "I did this for my reasons even if you disagreed" route, or even the "i know you won't appreciate it, but this is what i could do" route. We'll see, I guess. |
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| Red funnel spam mech reminded me a lot of the Sinanju, minus the funnels. |
ex_necross said: Red funnel spam mech reminded me a lot of the Sinanju, minus the funnels. That would be Sazabi then. |
ANGRY2011 said: Inugirlz said: I feel like it would just be a big slap in the face if he (Slaine) really was keeping her asleep (for non-medical purposes). I mean this whole time we're lead to believe he truly cares about her and wants whats best for her, only to find out he really has gone lunatic. It would just be sad if they turn him into some twisted villain. I think it would be boring for them to go the stereotypical "he's so crazy yandere" route. I'd prefer something more calm, like the "I did this for my reasons even if you disagreed" route, or even the "i know you won't appreciate it, but this is what i could do" route. We'll see, I guess. I don't mind the slowly following into insanity route, if it's played out right. |
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