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chickenonthepan said: ZeroDragon said: But that ideal is naive. That's what sets up his growth in the second cour and in HF. Yeah, but when did he proceed to broadcast that ideal? If the when part of the argument is what you're refuting, then I don't know. That's not even the aspect of the argument I was supporting. |
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ZeroDragon said: chickenonthepan said: Yeah, but when did he proceed to broadcast that ideal? If the when part of the argument is what you're refuting, then I don't know. That's not even the aspect of the argument I was supporting. Prodigal_Enigma said: and him proceeding to broadcast his naivete through his ideal that he can save everyone. As I said, let's focus on the moment that Ufo messed up and ignore the problem with the viewers. |
chickenonthepan said: ZeroDragon said: If the when part of the argument is what you're refuting, then I don't know. That's not even the aspect of the argument I was supporting. Prodigal_Enigma said: and him proceeding to broadcast his naivete through his ideal that he can save everyone. As I said, let's focus on the moment that Ufo messed up and ignore the problem with the viewers. Well by all means go ahead and refute whichever argument of his that you want. We've been dealing with viewers since the anime aired. Forgive me for not ignoring what you want me to ignore and not only focusing on what you want to focus on. |
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ZeroDragon said: Well by all means go ahead and refute whichever argument of his that you want. We've been dealing with viewers since the anime aired. Forgive me for not ignoring what you want me to ignore and not only focusing on what you want to focus on. Yeah, forgive me too because I point out the part that you ignored. |
chickenonthepan said: ZeroDragon said: Well by all means go ahead and refute whichever argument of his that you want. We've been dealing with viewers since the anime aired. Forgive me for not ignoring what you want me to ignore and not only focusing on what you want to focus on. Yeah, I forgive me because I point out the part that you ignored. Nothing's preventing you from refuting his second argument. If it matters that much to you just go ahead and deal with it instead of complaining why someone else isn't doing it with you :p |
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ZeroDragon said: chickenonthepan said: Yeah, I forgive me because I point out the part that you ignored. Nothing's preventing you from refuting his second argument. If it matters that much to you just go ahead and deal with it instead of complaining why someone else isn't doing it with you :p My problem is that many people went: "Oh, that scene. So he think Shirou is an idiot is ok, even with his nonsensical second argument". |
| A misquote makes the entire argument nonsensical. Good to know. I recall Shirou saying he had an issue with people dying. Maybe I wrongfully attributed that to Shirou wanting to save everyone. Regardless, the way he wants go about being a hero or embodying justice, whatever it is, is naive to me. He has a problem with death (understandably so) but people are going to die, for one reason or another. |
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Prodigal_Enigma said: A misquote makes the entire argument nonsensical. Good to know. But he is conflicted about that ideal, not "broadcasting" it like you said. And spoiler. |
| About FZ: Also, quote Fai: CookingPriest said: The implementation Ideal might be. Ideal itself is not. SHirou is not naive because he is self aware of its faults. Again even the anime adaptation has that. |
chickenonthepan said: About FZ: Also, quote Fai: CookingPriest said: The implementation Ideal might be. Ideal itself is not. SHirou is not naive because he is self aware of its faults. Again even the anime adaptation has that. I didn't see that in the seven episodes I watched. |
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Prodigal_Enigma said: chickenonthepan said: About FZ: Also, quote Fai: I didn't see that in the seven episodes I watched. Watch episode 1 again. Starting at 22:20 btw. |
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Prodigal_Enigma said: it also plays into the fact that he never believed in some "omnipotent wish granting device" he just knows it can cause a big ass fire and wishes not to have a repeat of his own tragedychickenonthepan said: About FZ: Also, quote Fai: I didn't see that in the seven episodes I watched. |
chickenonthepan said: Prodigal_Enigma said: I didn't see that in the seven episodes I watched. Watch episode 1 again. Starting at 22:20 btw. Maloghurst said: Prodigal_Enigma said: it also plays into the fact that he never believed in some "omnipotent wish granting device" he just knows it can cause a big ass fire and wishes not to have a repeat of his own tragedyI didn't see that in the seven episodes I watched. NOT is a critical the no one...but this is in monologue of all the episode 01...Why the viewers forgotten it? Why thought which your monologues not care for rest of the show? |
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Maloghurst said: Prodigal_Enigma said: it also plays into the fact that he never believed in some "omnipotent wish granting device" he just knows it can cause a big ass fire and wishes not to have a repeat of his own tragedyI didn't see that in the seven episodes I watched. ^This. Life then gives him a perfect example of where that leads. First metaphorically in his head. Then in real world with . Alas it is too late by the time he realizes and |
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chickenonthepan said: Watch episode 1 again. Starting at 22:20 btw. Yeah, I saw it now. I missed that the first time. So not totally fixated on the idea that he's gonna stop people from dying. He's still gonna try, which is understandable. I just wonder if that translates to not taking unnecessary risks, fighting battles he can't win. The fight with Rider comes to mind. He could've died there. |
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Prodigal_Enigma said: chickenonthepan said: Watch episode 1 again. Starting at 22:20 btw. Yeah, I saw it now. I missed that the first time. So not totally fixated on the idea that he's gonna stop people from dying. He's still gonna try, which is understandable. I just wonder if that translates to not taking unnecessary risks, fighting battles he can't win. The fight with Rider comes to mind. He could've died there. All I can say is: not now. |
Prodigal_Enigma said: chickenonthepan said: Watch episode 1 again. Starting at 22:20 btw. Yeah, I saw it now. I missed that the first time. So not totally fixated on the idea that he's gonna stop people from dying. He's still gonna try, which is understandable. I just wonder if that translates to not taking unnecessary risks, fighting battles he can't win. The fight with Rider comes to mind. He could've died there. And This is exactly the point of character's development of Shirou. |
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chickenonthepan said: don't spoil... Humm, this is a spoiler? |
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Prodigal_Enigma said: chickenonthepan said: Watch episode 1 again. Starting at 22:20 btw. Yeah, I saw it now. I missed that the first time. So not totally fixated on the idea that he's gonna stop people from dying. He's still gonna try, which is understandable. I just wonder if that translates to not taking unnecessary risks, fighting battles he can't win. The fight with Rider comes to mind. He could've died there. Re-watch the part with Rider. He was screwed the moment he took the nail to the arm. He may not have known this, but he was screwed. |
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hatedmainofanime said: chickenonthepan said: don't spoil... Humm, this is a spoiler? It is imo. |
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hatedmainofanime said: chickenonthepan said: don't spoil... Humm, this is a spoiler? in a sense, yes |
nocorras said: Prodigal_Enigma said: Yeah, I saw it now. I missed that the first time. So not totally fixated on the idea that he's gonna stop people from dying. He's still gonna try, which is understandable. I just wonder if that translates to not taking unnecessary risks, fighting battles he can't win. The fight with Rider comes to mind. He could've died there. Re-watch the part with Rider. He was screwed the moment he took the nail to the arm. He may not have known this, but he was screwed. @Prodigal Instead of watching back now, I suggest continue watching, since you already get the basic about his mindset. You will understand him more in ep 9 and ep 11. Then come back to that. |
nocorras said: Prodigal_Enigma said: Yeah, I saw it now. I missed that the first time. So not totally fixated on the idea that he's gonna stop people from dying. He's still gonna try, which is understandable. I just wonder if that translates to not taking unnecessary risks, fighting battles he can't win. The fight with Rider comes to mind. He could've died there. Re-watch the part with Rider. He was screwed the moment he took the nail to the arm. He may not have known this, but he was screwed. Start of episode 05 and end of episode 09 has scene that reinforcing this thoughts... |
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Prodigal_Enigma said: oh haha keep watching and watch that dialogue. a keep attention to those conversations it's gonna be some shit. it's subtle but it's pretty heavy. as the story continues you will see.chickenonthepan said: Watch episode 1 again. Starting at 22:20 btw. Yeah, I saw it now. I missed that the first time. So not totally fixated on the idea that he's gonna stop people from dying. He's still gonna try, which is understandable. I just wonder if that translates to not taking unnecessary risks, fighting battles he can't win. The fight with Rider comes to mind. He could've died there. this series just like Kara no Kyoukai requires a massive amount of attention UBW is more casual friendly than KNK but it still caries the same type of writing. this series is gonna have a lot of rewatchability because of all the subtleties and things that seemed like throw away lines/scenes. it in no way holds your hand. if you ever decide to read the VN i recommend watching the series again and doing a double take a lot of that missing monologue that people are upset about can be seen in shirou's actions you see shirou though his body language and facial expressions of what was in the VN but it's not outright said. Shirou is a rather difficult character to portray because he is a straight faced character so some of that missing head speak from him would have helped greatly for viewers. Fai wasnt exactly wrong about the anime (or at least the aired ver) being mostly VN reader fanservice. |
Maloghurst said: Prodigal_Enigma said: oh haha keep watching and watch that dialogue. a keep attention to those conversations it's gonna be some shit. it's subtle but it's pretty heavy. as the story continues you will see.Yeah, I saw it now. I missed that the first time. So not totally fixated on the idea that he's gonna stop people from dying. He's still gonna try, which is understandable. I just wonder if that translates to not taking unnecessary risks, fighting battles he can't win. The fight with Rider comes to mind. He could've died there. this series just like Kara no Kyoukai requires a massive amount of attention UBW is more casual friendly than KNK but it still caries the same type of writing. this series is gonna have a lot of rewatchability because of all the subtleties and things that seemed like throw away lines/scenes. it in no way holds your hand. if you ever decide to read the VN i recommend watching the series again and doing a double take a lot of that missing monologue that people are upset about can be seen in shirou's actions you see shirou though his body language and facial expressions of what was in the VN but it's not outright said. Shirou is a rather difficult character to portray because he is a straight faced character so some of that missing head speak from him would have helped greatly for viewers. Fai wasnt exactly wrong about the anime (or at least the aired ver) being mostly VN reader fanservice. I saw KnK movies until the fifth ... and in really, I not had understanding about which fucking I were seeing in the three first movies. In the fifth that I finally could apreciate the story. And seriously, is normal the version BD has 70~90 min of duration for the TV version in animes? |
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hatedmainofanime said: And seriously, is normal the version BD has 70~90 min of duration for the TV version in animes? No. Ufo does something abnormal this time. That's about 3 episodes, too much for "extra content". |
chickenonthepan said: hatedmainofanime said: And seriously, is normal the version BD has 70~90 min of duration for the TV version in animes? No. Ufo does something abnormal this time. That's about 3 episodes, too much for "extra content". This is one reason I always thought that the TV version was a decoy for the final version (BD version, in the case). And of course, one so vast story as Fate not give to be adapted in the short space that the TV provides (man, had 3 episodes of 1 hour and still was not enough). |
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| The idiot talk!!!! AMAZING. Caster vs Archer and Assassin vs Saber. Both fights kicked ass. Ufotable gives me orgasms. |
| Shirou needed a bitch slap, not a back stab. And what the hell, Archer? Caster. Bitch. Assassin, my beautiful prince! You're like a re-incarnation of Diarmuid *_* |
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k0k0 said: sadly there is some context missing from the archer/shirou scenes. the best you can get from it is that shirou doesnt like archer and didnt like the fact that he got saved by archera guy he hates. also shirou avoided a fated blow and the only hint you got that he avoided it rather than got lucky was from the previous episode when shirou said "i can feel your hostility"Shirou needed a bitch slap, not a back stab. And what the hell, Archer? Caster. Bitch. Assassin, my beautiful prince! You're like a re-incarnation of Diarmuid *_* |
| More importantly when Shirou says I can survive on my own, he should've also added, as in the vn "more than that I don't want to be a burden to him" because Archer could barely dodge casters beams without being slowed by shirou. Hope you didn't miss the after credits scene, by the way. |
Maloghurst said: k0k0 said: sadly there is some context missing from the archer/shirou scenes. the best you can get from it is that shirou doesnt like archer and didnt like the fact that he got saved by archera guy he hates. also shirou avoided a fated blow and the only hint you got that he avoided it rather than got lucky was from the previous episode when shirou said "i can feel your hostility"Shirou needed a bitch slap, not a back stab. And what the hell, Archer? Caster. Bitch. Assassin, my beautiful prince! You're like a re-incarnation of Diarmuid *_* ALso he was being quite reasonable in the "let me go" part since Archer would not be able keep up with Caster while carrying him and would be toasted in seconds, as shown by the scale of damage they do to the ground. And that is Caster barely even trying. And yeah, Shirou can't stand being saved - in his mind, he already way exceeded the limit allowed by being saved from that fire. Every time a situation puts someone at danger in sake of protecting him, it is like dying. In the scenes after, Shirou is being very reasonable, because Archer not only let Caster go without even trying, but also suggested murdering whole town to destroy Berserker. And that Rin should be like Caster. The only sensible reaction to that is "No, Fuck you" |
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Maloghurst said: the best you can get from it is that shirou doesnt like archer and didnt like the fact that he got saved by archera guy he hates. also shirou avoided a fated blow and the only hint you got that he avoided it rather than got lucky was from the previous episode when shirou said "i can feel your hostility" Oh, but I think it was mentioned in this episode that he dodged it purposefully! I don't exactly remember who said it, but I just somehow knew it. Insertanamehere said: Hope you didn't miss the after credits scene, by the way. Nope! ^_^ But, really, how do you guys even remember which episode had what and everything... CookingPriest said: In the scenes after, Shirou is being very reasonable, because Archer not only let Caster go without even trying, but also suggested murdering whole town to destroy Berserker. And that Rin should be like Caster. The only sensible reaction to that is "No, Fuck you" I agree. It's like Archer's ideals suddenly went full berserk, no pun intended. |
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| >But, really, how do you guys even remember which episode had what and everything... very easy.. Too many re-watches when I get bored. |
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k0k0 said: We have a very particular set of skills . . .Insertanamehere said: Hope you didn't miss the after credits scene, by the way. Nope! ^_^ But, really, how do you guys even remember which episode had what and everything... |
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k0k0 said: But, really, how do you guys even remember which episode had what and everything... It's because we've been analyzing every single frame for months now. Not to mention, some of us read the VN several times over so we remember most of the details... Yea, we're that bored. :P |
Stev said: ayy lmao |
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k0k0 said: Hahaha, wow. Quite a mighty fanbase. 'Tis merely the duty of a guardian of our Fair Lands. |
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| Archer in Prologue (to Rin) on eating humans to win: I would never do such a thing. Archer this episode: I am perfectly fine with letting others die so I can achieve my goals. Now why would he say that I wonder.. |
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| Archer is being quite the douche lately. |
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| This was another decent episode. It's seriously irritating how everyone is sparing one another left and right. I get that there are honorable and tactical reasons for it, but it's seriously annoying. There are definitely other ways to avoid this and attaining the desired outcome. A servant summoning another servant, quite surprising. |
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| AWESOME Epic Episode |
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| Oh, I surely do want to know more about Arche's Reality Marble... those flashes... |
| *Nanananananananana* BAT CASTER! Archer and Shirou calling each other baka. Caster saying that they are alike. Ain't that something, huh? :D OMG! Archer said it! Archer vs Assassin. Beautiful. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| Every episode is worst than even :( |
| Hmm Archer seems to have gone rogue, disobeying his masters orders. |
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JonathaIN said: they're different story paths however the 2006 anime had taken some liberties to make it more action oriented so they took a bunch of content from UBW and shoved it in. story wise you werent even suppose to have seen archer fight outside of the lancer fight until the UBW segments as well as caster.pissed I spoiled myself with the trash that is fate/stay night 2006 so I'm glad to see something I haven't seen before (archer's attempt to kill emiya), I was told UBW and FSN 2006 were different or different story paths but so far it's identical story wise and I hate it |
| lol @ Archer... what a fucking coward attacking his ally from behind. And here I thought he was just an asshole in Deen Night, I hate his guts after all. Shirou became the white knight who spout shit like "I wasn't even allied with him in the first place" and Saber thinks he's a good guy after he almost killed her master... So I dislike Tohsaka for trying to kill Shirou at school, Archer for being an asshole coward, Shirou for being the typical white knight and Saber for actually thinking Archer has any honor in him at all. Nice, I now dislike all of the main characters in this show :3 |
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