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Agafin said: Very enjoyable watch. Animation was top notch as expected from Ufo and the OST was decent to good. I expected more from the characters though since so far, Archer is the only one that really stands out. I am starting to like Shirou too, but I would just have preferred if the anime showed us his thought process more since right now I don't think I fully understand some of his actions and not in the "he's mysterious" kind of way. Rin is probably the only tsundere along with Kurisu and Asuka that I don't mind so that's a plus. It surprises me that Saber has 9000 favourites on this site since so far, she's probably one of if not the flattest character in the show for me. As for the plot, it just felt like a huge build up. Can the pay off be satisfying? Well, I'm waiting. Still, I think this anime could do better in the World building department. Is it just me or most informations are conveyed through long infodumps which overall become tiring in the long run? The fights also need to be interrupted less tbh. One or twice is okay but when it happens too often, most of them loose any value and the show seems to be favouring style over substance. I also hope that the pacing will be better in the second cour. Without these three hour long episodes, I'm sure the plot progression would've been abyssmal. Anyway, I'm really hyped for the second cour. I want to give this an 8/10 but I think I will just wait for the second season to make a final evaluation. I'm glad that you like the show. Shirou's character will be fully fleshed out in the second cour, so I'm sure you will like him more. Right now you see that something is really wrong with him is good enough. And after the second cour, all of Rin's previous actions will make sense. She is not a cliche tsundere. And the payoff will blow your mind. I can guarantee that. I hope you will have a nice ride in April. :) |
Agafin said: Very enjoyable watch. Animation was top notch as expected from Ufo and the OST was decent to good. I expected more from the characters though since so far, Archer is the only one that really stands out. I am starting to like Shirou too, but I would just have preferred if the anime showed us his thought process more since right now I don't think I fully understand some of his actions and not in the "he's mysterious" kind of way. Rin is probably the only tsundere along with Kurisu and Asuka that I don't mind so that's a plus. It surprises me that Saber has 9000 favourites on this site since so far, she's probably one of if not the flattest character in the show for me. As for the plot, it just felt like a huge build up. Can the pay off be satisfying? Well, I'm waiting. Still, I think this anime could do better in the World building department. Is it just me or most informations are conveyed through long infodumps which overall become tiring in the long run? The fights also need to be interrupted less tbh. One or twice is okay but when it happens too often, most of them loose any value and the show seems to be favouring style over substance. I also hope that the pacing will be better in the second cour. Without these three hour long episodes, I'm sure the plot progression would've been abyssmal. Anyway, I'm really hyped for the second cour. I want to give this an 8/10 but I think I will just wait for the second season to make a final evaluation. With not knowing Shirou's thoughts, that might be addressed in the blu ray release which has 90 minutes worth of cut episode content, it might address other issues you might have. As for Saber, people mostly love her because of how she was during the Fate route of the visual novel, this route isn't about her so she gets pushed to the side. I don't really agree with the world building complaint, it's really complex and I don't see how much better it could have been elaborated on. Maybe you find it tiring and that's fair enough but I always liked hearing about how the world worked. I think world building is one of Nasu's greatest strengths (along with his ability to create a nice horror atmosphere which will become evident in Heaven's Feel) because of how intricate and detailed everything is. I also disagree on the break ups between fights. Whenever the battles are interrupted they're mostly broken up at appropriate times such as a lull during battle. Too many other anime cut corners with fights in the worst possible ways and I think the show is far, FAR less of an offender of cutting corners than the majority of anime. They keep the pacing quick, intense and fresh, but that's just me I suppose. You can expect even better fights in the second cour though, that's for damn sure. Didn't mean to pick on you, just airing out some disagreements, it's good that you like the show. I will be surprised if by the end of the show your score doesn't change from an 8 to a 9, things get pretty intense. =) |
| ^ More exposition could have helped worldbuilding a lot (ex: Rin going over majutsu/mahou difference in prologue, explaining the rules MA works by, explaining what the Church is and why Kirei matters, etc) |
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Shintai said: Agafin said: Very enjoyable watch. Animation was top notch as expected from Ufo and the OST was decent to good. I expected more from the characters though since so far, Archer is the only one that really stands out. I am starting to like Shirou too, but I would just have preferred if the anime showed us his thought process more since right now I don't think I fully understand some of his actions and not in the "he's mysterious" kind of way. Rin is probably the only tsundere along with Kurisu and Asuka that I don't mind so that's a plus. It surprises me that Saber has 9000 favourites on this site since so far, she's probably one of if not the flattest character in the show for me. As for the plot, it just felt like a huge build up. Can the pay off be satisfying? Well, I'm waiting. Still, I think this anime could do better in the World building department. Is it just me or most informations are conveyed through long infodumps which overall become tiring in the long run? The fights also need to be interrupted less tbh. One or twice is okay but when it happens too often, most of them loose any value and the show seems to be favouring style over substance. I also hope that the pacing will be better in the second cour. Without these three hour long episodes, I'm sure the plot progression would've been abyssmal. Anyway, I'm really hyped for the second cour. I want to give this an 8/10 but I think I will just wait for the second season to make a final evaluation. With not knowing Shirou's thoughts, that might be addressed in the blu ray release which has 90 minutes worth of cut episode content, it might address other issues you might have. As for Saber, people mostly love her because of how she was during the Fate route of the visual novel, this route isn't about her so she gets pushed to the side. I don't really agree with the world building complaint, it's really complex and I don't see how much better it could have been elaborated on. Maybe you find it tiring and that's fair enough but I always liked hearing about how the world worked. I think world building is one of Nasu's greatest strengths (along with his ability to create a nice horror atmosphere which will become evident in Heaven's Feel) because of how intricate and detailed everything is. I also disagree on the break ups between fights. Whenever the battles are interrupted they're mostly broken up at appropriate times such as a lull during battle. Too many other anime cut corners with fights in the worst possible ways and I think the show is far, FAR less of an offender of cutting corners than the majority of anime. They keep the pacing quick, intense and fresh, but that's just me I suppose. You can expect even better fights in the second cour though, that's for damn sure. Didn't mean to pick on you, just airing out some disagreements, it's good that you like the show. I will be surprised if by the end of the show your score doesn't change from an 8 to a 9, things get pretty intense. =) The only complaint I really have with the world building is the stuff I know from the VN that wasn't touched upon, I know Nasu is great at world building but the show left some pretty important stuff out. The whole Reality Marble concept, the "true" magic was mentioned but not explained, the rest of what CP said. Projection wasn't touched upon that much, but we still have a conversation in the second cour that will probably do it. I have little doubt that all this won't be fixed in the blurays though |
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Kamipriest said: Shintai said: With not knowing Shirou's thoughts, that might be addressed in the blu ray release which has 90 minutes worth of cut episode content, it might address other issues you might have. As for Saber, people mostly love her because of how she was during the Fate route of the visual novel, this route isn't about her so she gets pushed to the side. I don't really agree with the world building complaint, it's really complex and I don't see how much better it could have been elaborated on. Maybe you find it tiring and that's fair enough but I always liked hearing about how the world worked. I think world building is one of Nasu's greatest strengths (along with his ability to create a nice horror atmosphere which will become evident in Heaven's Feel) because of how intricate and detailed everything is. I also disagree on the break ups between fights. Whenever the battles are interrupted they're mostly broken up at appropriate times such as a lull during battle. Too many other anime cut corners with fights in the worst possible ways and I think the show is far, FAR less of an offender of cutting corners than the majority of anime. They keep the pacing quick, intense and fresh, but that's just me I suppose. You can expect even better fights in the second cour though, that's for damn sure. Didn't mean to pick on you, just airing out some disagreements, it's good that you like the show. I will be surprised if by the end of the show your score doesn't change from an 8 to a 9, things get pretty intense. =) The only complaint I really have with the world building is the stuff I know from the VN that wasn't touched upon, I know Nasu is great at world building but the show left some pretty important stuff out. The whole Reality Marble concept, the "true" magic was mentioned but not explained, the rest of what CP said. Projection wasn't touched upon that much, but we still have a conversation in the second cour that will probably do it. I have little doubt that all this won't be fixed in the blurays though The thing is, Agafin was complaining about the way the world building was presented as opposed to the world building itself. To this I ask, what would be a superior alternative? The world building is very complex, very detailed, I am not really sure how else it could have been elaborated on. Granted it works better in the VN and the VN was never made with the intention of becoming an anime and this might be no ones fault and is simply an issue when adapting something like this. Either way I personally wasn't bothered with how it was presented in the anime. It probably isn't presented in the most exciting way but again how would you go about doing that? I think the strength of the content itself makes it interesting but that can vary from person to person. |
| That's what we are talking about. THe worldbuilding in ufofsn is thrown at us without context. contextualizing the world would help a lot in that aspect. |
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| The Fate route may have been the worst, but the other routes suffer without it. |
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mickdrew_99 said: The Fate route may have been the worst, but the other routes suffer without it. We are not talking about fate stuff - we are talking stuff that was cut from prologue till church. |
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| I find it strange tbh since the show had no infodumps. All of them were removed... |
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CookingPriest said: I find it strange tbh since the show had no infodumps. All of them were removed... Really? I remember that people was complaining about too much infodumping in first few episodes. |
Kamipriest said: I have little doubt that all this won't be fixed in the blurays though I don't understand you here. So you are saying that you think: A. It will be fixed in BD B. It will not be fixed in BD A or B? |
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chickenonthepan said: Kamipriest said: I have little doubt that all this won't be fixed in the blurays though I don't understand you here. So you are saying that you think: A. It will be fixed in BD B. It will not be fixed in BD A or B? He's saying A. He means A, but his sentence came out wrong so it became B. |
Insertanamehere said: chickenonthepan said: I don't understand you here. So you are saying that you think: A. It will be fixed in BD B. It will not be fixed in BD A or B? He's saying A. He means A, but his sentence came out wrong so it became B. It will be fixed.. It was lunch break and I was typing fast on my phone -_- my bad |
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Kamipriest said: Insertanamehere said: He's saying A. He means A, but his sentence came out wrong so it became B. It will be fixed.. It was lunch break and I was typing fast on my phone -_- my bad 90 mins of monologues... Is that what we are dreaming of? XD |
Forgetfulness said: Wow...great ending. This Illusion, holy shit... As far as I can tell, ufotable was incredibly faithful in their adaptation except to 1. change scenery (Caster's kidnapping or fight with Kuzuki) 2. add onto stuff to clarify for F/Z only viewers neither of these detracted from the content so overall really good. (one thing I am wondering though is, where the heck is this picture ufotable?) ^not a spoiler I dunno what else there is to say about this show. Honestly an amazing adaptation of one of my favorite visual novels by one of the best studios out there. Easy 10/10 for me Also, some of the criticisms about Shirou are kinda sad to read. The whole point of his character is to save everyone besides himself. Some of you guys may think his actions are stupid, but he is fully aware of what he is doing and going ahead with it anyway. Honestly, I think that makes him all the more interesting, especially when he is confronted with dilemmas regarding his ideals. Also with Rin, she has conflicting interests because she wants to do her own thing (as anyone should) in terms of dealing with Shirou but also has expectations to be a perfect magus from her family. Her decisions to help out Shirou may not be 100% cold, logical, calculated style like Kiritsugu as some of you seem to imply you want; they're human. Honestly, the characters are one of the best parts of this franchise for me, and it's just sad seeing a lot of people misinterpreting them or something Broken link :( Completely agree with you on Shirou. People say he's an idiot who follows childish ideals, but do they know he's aware they're childish? He accepts Kiritsugu's criticisms against being a hero of justice and sees them as logical. Despite this, he still feels duty bound to follow his current path. Doesn't that seem a little strange? Does that not raise a few questions regarding his motives and why he adopted his ideals? Are anime fans really so dismissive of any show taking place in high school that they can't realize this? |
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chickenonthepan said: Kamipriest said: It will be fixed.. It was lunch break and I was typing fast on my phone -_- my bad 90 mins of monologues... Is that what we are dreaming of? XD I still want the Assassin vs Berserker fight that's was supposed to happen before all this... any extra Ilya scenes actually. |
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Kamipriest said: I still want the Assassin vs Berserker fight that's was supposed to happen before all this... any extra Ilya scenes actually. I hoping that the fight in the last ep with Kirei gets expanded a bit more. I mean, we seemed to fast forward to when he's already tired and bleeding, so there must be more they didn't show, right? RIGHT?!? |
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WrongPriest said: mickdrew_99 said: I hoping that the fight in the last ep with Kirei gets expanded a bit more. I mean, we seemed to fast forward to when he's already tired and bleeding, so there must be more they didn't show, right? RIGHT?!? Haha, I highly doubt they cut out fight scenes. Sorry guys. I wouldn't be surprised if some fights got extended a bit, but nothing more than that. |
| I wasn't paying much attention to the story wise. Or rather I was hooked on the fighting scenes.. those were great. Well the first half is over.. it was pretty decent overall. Had some extra scenes comapred to the movie. The second half is what I'm more interested in though. My heart is not prepared for one of the things coming.. T^T |
ahxiian said: I wasn't paying much attention to the story wise. Or rather I was hooked on the fighting scenes.. those were great. Well the first half is over.. it was pretty decent overall. Had some extra scenes comapred to the movie. The second half is what I'm more interested in though. My heart is not prepared for one of the things coming.. T^T Extra scenes? You mean... an actual content? |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
| You heard it first here, guyse, "some extra scenes" = 90% of the anime. Also that apparently is the term you use to describe the actual fucking content and story. |
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ahxiian said: Had some extra scenes comapred to the movie.  |
Stev said: ayy lmao |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: So 300 minutes First Half of a series only had a few EXTRA SCENES compared to a 90 minutes Movie....................okay!? Should i be happy that someone didn't say "compared to DEEN FSN"? 480 mins first half, according to the BD. |
| Also characterisation. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Hmm, I don't know what to think about this, ending Disillusion was nice and 10 minutes of date slice-of-life was good (now I have high hopes for FHA) but as for taiga kidnapping and bus scene (not to mention water monsters...) - they didn't have to be this original. It wasn't bad but somehow it didn't had the impact I expected. |
CookingPriest said: Pretty much this, it's enough for me to pretend that the first half of the episode did not exist.Either way 10/10 for DISILLUSION REMIX ALONE 1. Characters: 0.5. Questionable, if it's not for Archer(who got his groove back) I'd probably give 0. 7/10's not so bad really.2. Atmosphere: 1. I guess it was good enough, although DEEN's version(edit: the FSN series) had a better atmosphere. 3. OST: 1. Not bad overall, final track helps a lot still. 4. Animation: 1. I wouldn't even mention a word here if not for Rin's design but I guess that I more or less got used to it. 5. Background story: 1. I don't remember how much of it was actually exposed in this run, but I'm watching with knowledge in mind, having it as a plus, so a +1 anyway. 6. Ending: 1. It ended on a really good note, contrary to my expectations. +1. 7. Fighting scenes: 1. 8. Overall affect: 0.5. I'm half-glad just because I'm getting a detailed adaptation of UBW, but there were also some parts that ruined it. |
MeritasJan 3, 2015 7:36 PM
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Meritas said: CookingPriest said: Pretty much this, it's enough for me to pretend that the first half of the episode did not exist.Either way 10/10 for DISILLUSION REMIX ALONE 1. Characters: 0.5. Questionable, if it's not for Archer(who got his groove back) I'd probably give 0. 7/10's not so bad really.2. Atmosphere: 1. I guess it was good enough, although I DEEN's version had a better atmosphere. 3. OST: 1. Not bad overall, final track helps a lot still. 4. Animation: 1. I wouldn't even mention a word here if not for Rin's design but I guess that I more or less got used to it. 5. Background story: 1. I don't remember how much of it was actually exposed in this run, but I'm watching with knowledge in mind, having it as a plus, so a +1 anyway. 6. Ending: 1. It ended on a really good note, contrary to my expectations. +1. 7. Fighting scenes: 1. 8. Overall affect: 0.5. I'm half-glad just because I'm getting a detailed adaptation of UBW, but there were also some parts that ruined it. Should be 7/8? You have 8 points in total... And I fail to understand this: although DEEN's version had a better atmosphere. Just my 2 cents |
Just_ChickenJan 3, 2015 6:51 PM
| 8 points which deserve a score, I skipped listing those with 0 as in Drama, Story and a potential Bonus Score. |
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Meritas said: 8 points which deserve a score, I skipped listing those with 0 as in Drama, Story and a potential Bonus Score. Oh ok. But 0 for story and drama is quite unfair at this point. The story hasn't reach its climax yet... |
| That's why I didn't list them, I can score only so well half of a story. chickenonthepan said: Yes, I do think that DEEN's version had a bit better ambience.And I fail to understand this: although DEEN's version had a better atmosphere. |
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Meritas said: talkin about the series right?That's why I didn't list them, I can score only so well half of a story. chickenonthepan said: Yes, I do think that DEEN's version had a bit better ambience.Just my 2 cents |
| Yes, I think that this point is comparable despite the routes are different. Nonetheless I can hardly see the UBW movie as a stand-alone. |
MeritasJan 3, 2015 7:09 PM
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Meritas said: fair enough, some people would say compare the half way mark to the half way mark. I myself prefer the atmosphere of this series over studio DEEN's. The DEEN adaptation just felt....."flat"...or.."basic"... maybe just a little too much like X/1999. This one feels to me more like something done by joss wheden(if this makes sense to you)Yes, I think that this point is comparable despite the routes are different. |
| Oh Emiya.....you fucking idiot. Talk no jutsu only works if you have the power to back it up. And your naivety truly cost you everything. I halfway wish he had died for nothing right there. |
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WolfWood37 said: Oh Emiya.....you fucking idiot. Talk no jutsu only works if you have the power to back it up. And your naivety truly cost you everything. I halfway wish he had died for nothing right there. So having the girl who is like a sister to him die would have been the better option for you? I mean it was pretty obvious she was choking from the threads and that's why Shirou did what he did. I know it cost him Saber, but there was nothing he could do. Saber wouldn't be able to beat caster inside that field. She would have killed Taiga before Saber got to her anyway. |
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| So apparently trying to avoid fighting someone who has been shown to be superior in firepower and magic, can teleport, can make clones, can copy true magic, can summon army of countless undying skeletongs...in her own boundary field....is now called naivety? WAT. - Caster can fly, teleport, manipulate time and space - Saber can't - Caster is full of range attacks - Saber lists lack of range of the major weakness of Saber class as early as EP2 - if opponents can't defeat her in close range, they will just attack in long range. - Caster has infinite mana from entire city. - Saber has very limited mana she can't refuel. - Caster has no collateral to worry about - With Saber there's Shirou, Rin and there's Taiga. In short - the moment Saber starts a fight, everyone dies. Caster can easily skewer and choke fujimura to death with the threads(that Shirou KNOWS you need a servant to cut, because normal magi can't do anything), beamspams defenseless Shirou and Rin(like Shirou seen happening in Temple fight) and then Seiba slowly dies out till Caster does the exact same shit with rule breaker. Trying to avoid full-on confrontation was the damn smartest choice in the sea of choices with no good outcome, because it at least gives a chance for SOME of them to survive. |
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hahailham1 said: so.. just watch the first 30 mins or so DEEN adaptation of this route, just to compare things up i think i should clarify back my words about the animation is a bit let off and make it clear that it's the art and some kind of lighting that this adaptation lacking (and some character proportion i already wrote earlier) . DEEN character design mostly more suits the story than ufotable had, and their key animation is awesome compare to CG in this one. as for the effect ufotable adaptation is so superior.ufotable frame is also very rapid considering that even DEEN adaptation got 7.7 average on MAL, no wonder this one is getting around 8.7 , but my ideal would be this one is around 7.7-8.2 and the later part will touch average of 8.9, probably. had they put this season into 24 episode i have a feeling that the score would touch 9 , just like Steins;Gate. anw, why did accidentaly saw this part in DEEN adaptation It is a 24 episode series, second half is in April. Blame MAL for separating it Ufotable isn't calling it a different season. It's all just 1 Design choices is subjective, I personally like Ufotables better especially Shirous design. |
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Meritas said: Yes, I think that this point is comparable despite the routes are different. I may sound aggressive but the only thing that is comparable is the char names, setting and original designs. |
hahailham1 said: anw, why did Because all Casters in Nasuverse have strange(relatively) fetishes? |
Stev said: ayy lmao |
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