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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- For a moment, I thought that the boy would actually jump from the bridge. I'm glad Grimmer managed to "rescue" him :) |
| Very traumatizing what the boy went through, Johan is really mess up in the head. |
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RightfullyMine said: Kayro said: For a moment, I thought that the boy would actually jump from the bridge. I'm glad Grimmer managed to "rescue" him :) Yeah same, I thought so too. This would make it more dramatic since Grimmer would probably feel sadness for the first time. This works too. yeah me three |
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| wow what johan did was really great. in an evil kind of way. it's the best in an anime |
| I can't find the words to describe Johan.It seems "monster" is not sufficient now... I was so at this edge of the seat when Milos was about to fall. "What kind of face am i making now?" "You are crying." One of the best scenes in the series.I can only bow before this anime...,again. |
| Still, what Miloch went through is probably a walk in the park compared to what Johan may have gone through at the age. But yeah, Miloch sure grew up quick, in he wrong kind of way. |
yuzuru19 said: "What kind of face am i making now?" "You are crying." That was awesome... T~T Johan > Monster |
| This has to be one of the most powerful episodes I've seen in this series so far. Corrupting and twisting the mind of a young child in such a manner. This is also the first time I've also felt that the word "Monster" isn't enough to even begin to describe Johan. |
| Johan is a right bastard...damn |
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| Nobody in the anime world that I know has ever reached to Johan's level of cruelty. He's so frighteningly good at manipulating people and crushing the psychologically no matter their age. Kudos to the creator of monster. The characters are amazingly defined. |
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| Fantastic episode - it never ceases to amaze me how depraved Johan is...that kid got totally messed up by him. |
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| An amazing episode. What Johan did is truly a work of a manipulative master. And again he's done that for no particular reason. For him, making other miserable, is a way to his life meaningful. It might seem illogical for us, but it is truth. Johan builds his own life by destroying others'. The walk in the red light district, was spectacular. Every even that happened there made Milos despise life even more: his meeting with the first man built a foundation for it, getting a hug from that prostitute made him slightly believe Johan's words that he was not wanted, and that his life has no meaning, seeing the teacher fuck another prostitute made him believe, that even if people seem to be honest and good, they are still worthless scum who despise life, and finally, seeing a doped prostitute, clinging to life and speaking about death crushed him. Milos started to think that death really is the meaning of life. |
| No sig :( |
| Johan you goddamn son of a bitch. -_- I love you~ Amazing how he so easily fucked up that kid... |
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| Wow, I love how they keep elaborating and embellishing the idea that Yohann really is a monster... It makes you really feel what he is doing, and just makes you pissed at him. |
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| I've never wanted to kick an anime character's ass so freaking much...Johann needs to definitely be put down.. |
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| God damn |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| awe poor little guy, he had to see all of that first hand, Grimmer seems confused |
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| So am I the only one that thought that whole business with the teacher was just a *little* over the top? I mean, it was effective, but even by the end all I could think of was "Aww, Grimmer stopped him. That's kind of sweet. ... Anyway, the fuck was up with that teacher?" Maybe it was just the flatness of the dub delivery. I have no idea. |
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| Poor Kid. :| |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| Poor kid. |
| poor kid... |
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| Grimmer is my favorite character. It's really sad that he doesn't know how to outwardly express himself, though |
| Johan is the Monster. Manipulating a child like that for is almost worse than killing him. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Nice episode , unlocking Grimmers emotions and saving boy's hope was good watch. BTW there are no such Sex cities full of prostitutes having sex in back alleys in Czech. |
greenmartyAug 15, 2012 2:43 PM
( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
| Poor Milosh :( I hate Johan so much. So much. How could he do that? But it was obviously because something similar had happened to him before.. :/ |
| Find the change in Grimmer's personality semi-annoying, always asking if he is doing something right. Also what Johan did to Milosh was so fucked up, and the people in that city too, what a twisted teacher dude, who the fuck would make a kid watch him bang a hooker. |
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| Johan's such a sick fuck. Grrr! *takes deep breath* So anyway... The whole thing about Grimmer's inability to have emotion clarifies a few earlier things, like his somewhat weird reaction when he first told Tenma on the train that his son was dead. It also really explains why he smiles so much as it's one of the few expressions he can actually pull off. I felt really bad for him every time he asked Tenma how he should react (although it did also feel a little odd). It's obvious the man has the capacity for emotion, but not knowing how to show it I imagine must be like being paralyzed in place, watching the world around you while your own body becomes a prison. When Grimmer finally cried at the end I wanted to jump in and hug him. |
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| this episode was sad. About Episode: Looks like Milos and his friends where tried to help police to find that blond hair I mean Johan. But Johan founded Milos first. Tenma and Grimmer where just in the orphanage asking where Milos went and investigating about it. I feel sad for Grimmer that he couldn't have any emotions to his son. So sad :( It was nice to see that those kids really care for Grimmer like he got that football card from kids. Also another thing I was pissed off was that Johan was manipulating that kid and told that there is nothing good in a world and made him walk down that street because he knew that Milos would break down. Luckily Grimmer and Tenma saved that kid. And first time Grimmer showed his feelings for Milos by crying. Johan is really bad and he really hates everyone but Anna and Tenma. 5/5 |
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| Well Grimmer did pretty good for a guy with no emotions. Also I'm glad the kid didn't jump, it would have been a shame. |
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| I get a feeling so complicated from this episode. First I laughed when I saw the random guy with long blonde hair in the beginning. Then I felt so sad when Grimmer was saying he didn't know what to feel when his son died. Then I raged because sending a child to the red-light district... That teacher and everything just wow. |
| How did Tenma and Grimmer know where to find the kid? |
| Calling Johan "evil' is too soft. There are no words to describe who he really is. And this episode made me cry. It was too emotional. |
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Kayro said: For a moment, I thought that the boy would actually jump from the bridge. I'm glad Grimmer managed to "rescue" him :) Given twist of this series I wouldn't be surprised at all. But that scene with Grimmer's first true feelings was done greatly. I am starting to think that death is really no punishment for all the suffering Johan has done. He has to suffer greatly for all of this. |
| Oh that old lady wasn't insane at all the said that she new it wasn't a girl it was a man in women's cloths- such a catchy lady! Damn Johan is very powerful that he only with words can kill people, now seems like he has almost done it with a small child's mind...Glad the Grimma and Tenma managed to save him. |
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| Speechless... Just so twisted... and beautiful. |
| Shit made me cry and I don't really cry that much. How optimistic that kid was about seeing his mother and what Johan put into his head. :'( He truly is a monster. |
     "There is someone that I must meet again. And until that day... not even Death himself can take my life away!" |
| This is a very disturbing episode. But every detail is poignant and meaningful. This is the definition of psychological medium. Masterpiece. Naoki Urasawa is a master writer. Keep pursuing your dreams! ~ Wynn |
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| that was just.. very disturbing :\ !! but at least the ending was nice, how Grimmer got his emotions back. |
| This is new low even for Johan |
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| great episode, it was a little slow at first, but it picked up pretty quickly! wow Runge managed to meet Suk's mom!!! and i knew the mother saw Johan as male. she was looking at Johan is amazed on how beautiful he is :P definitely heartless tactic by Johan!! so that's how he breaks someone down. tbh i thought Milos would be crossing the border and be shot with no questions asks since he'll just keep going. poor Detective(forgot his name) where he was killed by being drunk and jump out of the building. lol at the Germany teacher being super hyper out of the dumpster for some reason! i though Milos was a goner :( finally Grimmer cries after soo many years. even with the death of his son and his wife leaving him, he didn't feel a thing till now. so what happened to the real Anna and Dieter!?!?! come on you can't leave us hanging like that!! looks like i'll stop for now, gonna watch this again later today or this weekend ^^ gotta do that Japanese test of mine!! :O |
| Man I feel bad for Milos T_T |
| ''We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?'' - Uchiha Itachi |
| I really enjoy Grimmer as a character. I like how his dilemma with expressing emotions was written in this series. Johan is a very fascinating antagonist. His dialogue in this episode was interesting. I think it gave a bit of insight as to why he is doing the things he has done. |
| Armageddon was yesterday, today we have a problem. |
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