xardde said: Spoiler tag, please... |
FlamepriesTOct 8, 2014 12:30 AM
killslash said: Implying that the target audience is different in FZ and FSN.My preferred anime genre is Seinen Adults chars=/=seinen. |
| No because F/SN is kiddie harem show for 8 year olds while F/Z is mature darkness on the levels of Akama Go Kill and Assault on Giants. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
FlameseeK said: Spoiler tag, please... You know, you should at least spoiler tag the quote. ;) As for adults: Considering the fact that almost all of FZ's characters act like idiots, it doesn't really say much about adults automatically meaning everything is more mature. |
CorePriest said: FlameseeK said: Spoiler tag, please... You know, you should at least spoiler tag the quote. ;) As for adults: Considering the fact that almost all of FZ's characters act like idiots, it doesn't really say much about adults automatically meaning everything is more mature. But Kurisugi's trenchcoat is so cool. If only I can get a fedora to match that. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
CorePriest said: FlameseeK said: Spoiler tag, please... You know, you should at least spoiler tag the quote. ;) Yeah, I thought it would be easier to get his attention this way for some reason, but you're right. I should've the spoiler tagged the entire thing in the first place. My bad. |
Will FSN be higher rated than FZ? If the quality continues to hold, then yes. Or at least I hope so, because I definitely think the story and characters are better in Fate/stay night. Fate/Zero is one of the best anime series I've watched, yes, but if ufotable continues to deliver then this one will most certainly be better. Not to mention the Heaven's Feel movies... those will be at the very top for me, no doubt about it, since HF is my favourite route. But will the majority of MAL voters think that F/SN is better F/Z? Who knows really. Clearly the DEEN's adaptations has given the wrong impression of F/SN to some... hopefully they'll see just how good this series really can be when done right with ufotable's adaptations. |
| When FSN finishes airing, it will be so high rated that MAL will go broken with 13.37/10 aggregate score. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
killslash said: FakePriest said: Implying that the target audience is different in FZ and FSN. Adults chars=/=seinen. I wasn't trying to imply that. He was talking about shonen, so I said my preferred genre. If you like dark stuff then you're really going to like Heaven's Feel. |
killslash said: CorePriest said: [spoiler] They are not manchilds. They are each tragic in their own way. There are a couple characters acting like idiots, but for the most part, no they aren't. It's pretty arrogant to say that there is no room for disagreement in a subjective discussion. |
| [spoiler]Kiritsugu's dream was foolish and he Himself knew it, that is why he was looking for a miracle to solve all that for him. And when that didn't work, he let go of it. That is there to it.[/s] CorePriest said: killslash said: [spoiler] They are not manchilds. They are each tragic in their own way. There are a couple characters acting like idiots, but for the most part, no they aren't. It's pretty arrogant to say that there is no room for disagreement in a subjective discussion. Source of the interview, I want to see in what respect did they mean that. Rest is just about kariya. |
SNSConnectionOct 8, 2014 3:29 AM
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killslash said: InsertPriestHere said: Manchild seems a bit harsh a term for me, but you can't deny that they're both childish in their own ways. |
Hetment said: Oh and btw, FSN characters ARE more complex, especially our main char Shirou. Then again, unless you have read VN you really cant appreciate his complex behavior. [spoiler]Still much better than trying to save everyone in both application and concept. Guess he Shouldn't have preferred the world over two people lel.[/s] |
SNSConnectionOct 8, 2014 3:40 AM
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killslash said: CorePriest said: [/quote] Takeuchi is involved in all of this too. He's Type-Moon's co-founder. Also, Uro actually agrees with him. Oh, and source: http://www.tsukikan.com/misc/nasu-kinoko-takeuchi-takashi-urobuchi-gen-special-forum.html killslash said: |
CapsuleCoreOct 8, 2014 3:42 AM
| Like I said, Kerry knew his dream was foolish and he did wanted to save everyone that's why he seek the grail. After learning that it won't help either, he let go of it. Yet people only consider one part of his story. |
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| Subjectively speaking , it shouldn't be |
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killslash said: To be fair, you can interpret this more freely by only seeing the anime. The Light Novel makes several things quite clear. killslash said: Also, writers themselves do not have absolute authority on their work when it comes to interpretations of characters. If the writer said Kariya was intended to be the most mature, reasonable, respectable adult in the entirety of type-moon universe, obviously people would disagree. They can write a character a certain way and try to portray them a certain way, but that does not necessarily mean that the character will be interpreted the same way by the audience. Side note: We can go at it point by point back and forth and bring up various things, but I don't think it's going to get us anywhere. Almost all subjective arguments I've had end up boiling down do "well, I just disagree". I may or may not end up doing another point-by-point counterargument. Too often a waste of time. No, but Urobuchi did write Kariya as an immature character, so this applies here. People would see your example as a joke, just as Nasu tweeted Shinji is the greatest gentleman. I'll give it to you though, how ufotable adapted it is something different. I understand how people who only saw the anime can interpret it your way, but I had the source material in mind. I accept your interpretation of the characters, but I must note that how the Light Novel was written pretty much confirms Urobuchi's, Nasu's and Takeuchi's interpretations in the interviews. |
| If it's faithful to the VN (which I kinda feel it will be) then absolutely, UBW is miles better than F/Z my pre-airing estimation was that it'll end up in the 8-90-9.00 region but who knows |
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HaXXspetten said: That's a little too high I think, there are too many haters for that to happen x_xIf it's faithful to the VN (which I kinda feel it will be) then absolutely, UBW is miles better than F/Z my pre-airing estimation was that it'll end up in the 8-90-9.00 region but who knows |
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| I'd still say the second half at least will rank higher than Fate/Zero. |
| I'm liking how this is escalating :P MAL forums are so much fun XD And to be on topic- I think FSN would be rated higher than FZ, since from most comments its clear there a huge fanbase of the VNs which is bound to propagate into the anime ratings. But personally vote for FZ anyday. |
asckj1Oct 8, 2014 4:53 AM
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| I think that the 3-way split (prologue, first cour, second cour) will be damaging towards the ratings. Many will probably rate the prologue on its own solely due to the way it's listed on MAL, and obviously as a stand-alone "movie" you can't give it a 10 since it's just a setup... The same will probably apply to the first cour of UBW. I will just wait for all 3 to air and then rate them with the same grade for the overall enjoyment, even though it kind of goes against how the MAL scoring should work. |
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| Basicly a thread how F/Z is worse than F/SN. |
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NxK said: What? Why?Many will probably rate the prologue on its own solely due to the way it's listed on MAL, and obviously as a stand-alone "movie" you can't give it a 10 since it's just a setup... A setup can't be a masterpiece at what it is? |
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BotatoPriest said: NxK said: What? Why?Many will probably rate the prologue on its own solely due to the way it's listed on MAL, and obviously as a stand-alone "movie" you can't give it a 10 since it's just a setup... A setup can't be a masterpiece at what it is? That's assuming that their idea of "what it is" matches yours - and I doubt that's going to be true for all the voters on the website. I still think the fairest option would have been to keep this as part of the main series. |
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| I see F/Z (LN) keeping up with everything F/SN did. people here bashing mindlessly on it makes me worry, as it was a consensus before the anime that was very good as prequel and even on pair with the F/SN VN, but now is "worse than F/SN, Urobuchi misinterpreted character x" to dismiss F/Z anime fans who think that F/SN is shit. |
ZangetsuPriest said: I see F/Z (LN) keeping up with everything F/SN did. people here bashing mindlessly on it makes me worry, as it was a consensus before the anime that was very good as prequel and even on pair with the F/SN VN, but now is "worse than F/SN, Urobuchi misinterpreted character x" to dismiss F/Z anime fans who think that F/SN is shit. I don't really discredit FZ or Urobuchi here, but I have something against those who write FSN off as something that isn't "dark" or anything, simply because it involves highschoolers. Besides, seinen and shounen aren't a genre. Demographics aren't a genre. And personally, FZ was for me never as good as FSN. That's not hard though, FSN is a whole lot longer than FZ. I see FZ as a good prequel and good complementary material though. |
CorePriest said: ZangetsuPriest said: I see F/Z (LN) keeping up with everything F/SN did. people here bashing mindlessly on it makes me worry, as it was a consensus before the anime that was very good as prequel and even on pair with the F/SN VN, but now is "worse than F/SN, Urobuchi misinterpreted character x" to dismiss F/Z anime fans who think that F/SN is shit. I don't really discredit FZ or Urobuchi here, but I have something against those who write FSN off as something that isn't "dark" or anything, simply because it involves highschoolers. Besides, seinen and shounen aren't a genre. Demographics aren't a genre. i understand that, but i don't think that we should bash at it to counter their 'opinion' (or ignorance), as it would negativate a very good addition to the franchise because of them. |
| I'm not really bashing FZ though, as I've said above. I'm just saying it's ridiculous to say FZ is more mature, when more than half the cast doesn't act any more mature or smarter than those in FSN. That isn't necessarily criticism of FZ, that was Urobuchi's intention after all. FZ was meant to be experienced after FSN, as a tragedy, anyway and I found it interesting enough. People have preferences, sure. But if it's something like "mature" or "dark" then I don't understand why this doesn't apply to FSN as well. It's some of the reasons why people supposedly prefer FZ over FSN that irritate me. |
| I think everyone should really stop this childish discussion. You cannot compare a show that has finished airing with a show that only just started to air. When you say "using VN for this argument is invalid", the other side has the right to say "using the 2006 anime for this argument is invalid". Because not only the storyline was different, but the characterization as well (not to mention the staff was completely different aside from the VAs). I'd say you should continue this discussion next June when this anime finished airing. |
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