M3k4toku said: IHAFUF said: Stop complaining, what do you really expect to come out of Japan? Really? Come on...you guys should be used to all this crap already, it's like a basic aspect of almost every anime. That's 'bit stereotypical. A bit? I think it's very true considering the type of content and fads Japan produces compared to the rest of the world. |
| why does the gender matter? It's the whole concept that is annoying. You are watching the series for the plot/characters, not to get some tits or asses. If anyone wanted to watch these kinds of things they would go straight for hentai, or a series with ecchi. Personally, I don't find this kind of stuff arousing or even entertaining at all in anime. |
IHAFUF said: M3k4toku said: That's 'bit stereotypical. A bit? I think it's very true considering the type of content and fads Japan produces compared to the rest of the world. Except it's not true in the slightest. Sexual fanservice exists in all entertainment mediums, be it in US movies, TV shows, music videos etc. And saying it's exists in every almost every anime is quite the bold and ignorant generalization when you have seen less than 2% of all anime. Just to pick examples from the past summer (Ao Haru Ride, Gekka Shoujo Noaziki kun, Barakamon, Haikyuu, Nobunga concerto, Hamatora, Space Dandy 2, I'm counting this, because it's used for comedy anyway, Zankayu no terror, Tokyo Ghoul) Now when I say they don't have fan-service, I mean they are very minimal if they exist. |
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| i dont mind it but i respect shows that dont have any because i can watch it in public or around non anime watchers and dont have to worry about close ups of 2D tits or panties and can take the show more seriously. i still like it in some animes and wouldnt want it removed nor do i dislike it, but im glad there exists anime with no fanservice so i can just enjoy the action and watch it around people. it doesnt affect my opinion of the show. |
tsudecimo said: IHAFUF said: A bit? I think it's very true considering the type of content and fads Japan produces compared to the rest of the world. Except it's not true in the slightest. Sexual fanservice exists in all entertainment mediums, be it in US movies, TV shows, music videos etc. And saying it's exists in every almost every anime is quite the bold and ignorant generalization when you have seen less than 2% of all anime. Just to pick examples from the past summer (Ao Haru Ride, Gekka Shoujo Noaziki kun, Barakamon, Haikyuu, Nobunga concerto, Hamatora, Space Dandy 2, I'm counting this, because it's used for comedy anyway, Zankayu no terror, Tokyo Ghoul) Now when I say they don't have fan-service, I mean they are very minimal if they exist. Never said fan service was a Japan exclusive. I said they come up with the most unique stuff compared to the rest of the world. Bold and ignorant generalisation? Pretty ironic considering the existence of this threat supports the fact that there are quite a lot of anime with fan service. What does this "less than 2%" have to do with anything, its like you're saying I can't plot my parabola without finding every single point. You're basically contradicting yourself because that would make your statement invalid mate. Who ever said I had to watch every single anime to make a judgement, just watching a few hundred you can obviously see the trend of fan service that exists and always will exist. Obviously it is not in all anime, but there is still a lot from the "2%" I have seen. |
IHAFUFOct 6, 2014 9:33 AM
| Because it's cancer. |
| You strongly implied that in the first post, and then stated it in the second post. It doesn't support shit. How many anime were mentioned in this thread? is it more than 10%? most people have the wrong idea what fan-service is, in the first place. Ecchi is not fan-service. If an anime has ecchi in it's genre, then the ecchi scenes, are a relevant part of the anime, not just fan-service for the fans. Fanservice is accurately used, when it's in a show that doesn't have ecchi in it's genre tags, Like Sword art online for example. I'm talking about you, how does that make my statement invalid exactly? Then you should have said a lot instead of almost. which I also question, considering how many examples I've have given from just one season. |
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tsudecimo said: You strongly implied that in the first post, and then stated it in the second post. It doesn't support shit. How many anime were mentioned in this thread? is it more than 10%? most people have the wrong idea what fan-service is, in the first place. Ecchi is not fan-service. If an anime has ecchi in it's genre, then the ecchi scenes, are a relevant part of the anime, not just fan-service for the fans. Fanservice is accurately used, when it's in a show that doesn't have ecchi in it's genre tags, Like Sword art online for example. I'm talking about you, how does that make my statement invalid exactly? Then you should have said a lot instead of almost. which I also question, considering how many examples I've have given from just one season. Majimoji Rurumo,RAIL WARS!,Rokujouma no Shinryakusha!?,Tokyo ESP,Seirei Tsukai no Kenbu: Blade Dance,Locodol. |
IHAFUF said: Majimoji Rurumo,RAIL WARS!,Rokujouma no Shinryakusha!?,Tokyo ESP,Seirei Tsukai no Kenbu: Blade Dance,Locodol. Half of those have ecchi as a genre, so you're just proving his point. |
| Thank you for proving my point. And Rail wars is ecchi. |
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tsudecimo said: Thank you for proving my point. And Rail wars is ecchi. Well anichart doesn't list them as ecchi. Plus ecchi is fan service. Doesn't matter if the anime revolves around it, it's still there and it placed in there for a reason. Fan service. Ecchi scenes are not relevant to the plot or part of an anime, it's just excess fan service for a specific type of audience. |
IHAFUFOct 6, 2014 9:54 AM
| I'm actually surprised that this thread hasn't been derailed and people are actually discussing things about fanservice. |
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IHAFUF said: No, fanservice is something not expected in an anime. You wouldn't say a porn is just fanservice. A serious story with serious sex scenes wouldn't be fanservice. Thus ecchi in a show that's labeled ecchi is not fanservice.tsudecimo said: Thank you for proving my point. And Rail wars is ecchi. Well anichart doesn't list them as ecchi. Plus ecchi is fan service. Doesn't matter if the anime revolves around it, it's still there and it placed in there for a reason. Fan service. Ecchi scenes are not relevant to the plot or part of an anime, it's just excess fan service for a specific type of audience. |
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| It depends on the viewer and what you mean by "small". A beach episode is small. Highschool Of The Dead for example is really not. |
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| well its ok for any anime to have fan service in it. Its kind of unique anyway, is what you have to stop minding about when come to anime. Like in many Western countries, some girls can fuck anyone she likes and no one cares about, but if a girl fucks more than one in some Eastern, her family is ruined |
tsudecimo said: You strongly implied that in the first post, and then stated it in the second post. It doesn't support shit. How many anime were mentioned in this thread? is it more than 10%? most people have the wrong idea what fan-service is, in the first place. Ecchi is not fan-service. If an anime has ecchi in it's genre, then the ecchi scenes, are a relevant part of the anime, not just fan-service for the fans. Fanservice is accurately used, when it's in a show that doesn't have ecchi in it's genre tags, Like Sword art online for example. I'm talking about you, how does that make my statement invalid exactly? Then you should have said a lot instead of almost. which I also question, considering how many examples I've have given from just one season. Who does these tags anyway ? Does it come labelled with the opening credits ? |
IntroverTurtle said: IHAFUF said: No, fanservice is something not expected in an anime. You wouldn't say a porn is just fanservice. A serious story with serious sex scenes wouldn't be fanservice. Thus ecchi in a show that's labeled ecchi is not fanservice.Well anichart doesn't list them as ecchi. Plus ecchi is fan service. Doesn't matter if the anime revolves around it, it's still there and it placed in there for a reason. Fan service. Ecchi scenes are not relevant to the plot or part of an anime, it's just excess fan service for a specific type of audience. That's true but, really, I've only ever seen one anime with sex scene. All the other ecchi I have seen have none, mostly filled with boobs and pantyshots which is basically fan service then. |
Okiura said: Who does these tags anyway ? Does it come labelled with the opening credits ? The Database mods. IIRC they get them for Japanese magazines that publishes the anime information and genre tags. For a more accurate answer you should ask a DB mod. IHAFUF said: Well anichart doesn't list them as ecchi. Plus ecchi is fan service. Doesn't matter if the anime revolves around it, it's still there and it placed in there for a reason. Fan service. Ecchi scenes are not relevant to the plot or part of an anime, it's just excess fan service for a specific type of audience. What IntroverTurtle said. And you might be interested in reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_service Fanservice is not even exclusive to the sexual kind, they just happen to be the most popular and known type. |
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IHAFUF said: You're missing my point. If you watch an ecchi anime you expect ecchi scenes (panty shots, shower scenes, bikinis falling off, etc) thus it isn't fanservice. It doesn't have to be sex, I only used porn because you are expecting sex. In a comedy anime a comedy scene wouldn't be fanservice, but in a serious anime a random out of atmosphere comedy scene might be considered it.IntroverTurtle said: No, fanservice is something not expected in an anime. You wouldn't say a porn is just fanservice. A serious story with serious sex scenes wouldn't be fanservice. Thus ecchi in a show that's labeled ecchi is not fanservice. That's true but, really, I've only ever seen one anime with sex scene. All the other ecchi I have seen have none, mostly filled with boobs and pantyshots which is basically fan service then. |
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IntroverTurtle said: I disagree. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecchi "Ecchi themes are a type of fan service." Black Jack 1993 OVA is a serious show with serious stories every episode yet the nudity in it is clearly sexual fanservice. Fanservice has nothing to do with fans expecting it or not it's all about putting it in to please the fans.IHAFUF said: No, fanservice is something not expected in an anime. You wouldn't say a porn is just fanservice. A serious story with serious sex scenes wouldn't be fanservice. Thus ecchi in a show that's labeled ecchi is not fanservice.Well anichart doesn't list them as ecchi. Plus ecchi is fan service. Doesn't matter if the anime revolves around it, it's still there and it placed in there for a reason. Fan service. Ecchi scenes are not relevant to the plot or part of an anime, it's just excess fan service for a specific type of audience. |
DrGeroCreationOct 6, 2014 10:19 AM
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| Probably because they don't enjoy it. Just a guess though. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
DrGeroCreation said: I disagree. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecchi "Ecchi themes are a type of fan service." Black Jack 1993 OVA is a serious show with serious story arcs yet the nudity in it is clearly sexual fanservice. Fanservice has nothing to do with fans expecting it or not it's all about putting it in to please the fans. Umm, you just supported his point. Since Black Jack isn't an ecchi show, you wouldn't expect ecchi in it, so having sexual scenes in it, are considered fanservice. Unless the sex or sexual scenes in the show is actually plot relevant in a show that isn't ecchi (i.e Rumbling Hearts), then it's fanservice. |
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tsudecimo said: Okiura said: Who does these tags anyway ? Does it come labelled with the opening credits ? The Database mods. IIRC they get them for Japanese magazines that publishes the anime information and genre tags. For a more accurate answer you should ask a DB mod. I wanted to say that you're over-thinking it a bit. The absolute distinction you make between sexual FS and Ecchi is artificial. |
tsudecimo said: DrGeroCreation said: I disagree. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecchi "Ecchi themes are a type of fan service." Black Jack 1993 OVA is a serious show with serious story arcs yet the nudity in it is clearly sexual fanservice. Fanservice has nothing to do with fans expecting it or not it's all about putting it in to please the fans. Umm, you just supported his point. Since Black Jack isn't an ecchi show, you wouldn't expect ecchi in it, so having sexual scenes in it, are considered fanservice. Unless the sex or sexual scenes in the show is actually plot relevant in a show that isn't ecchi (i.e Rumbling Hearts), then it's fanservice. Well if we are gonna hop onto wikipedia and believe everything then, "Works described as ecchi do not show sexual intercourse or genitalia. Instead, sexual themes are hinted at, and much is left up to the imagination of the viewer." "Long, full shots of robots in mecha shows, sexual elements, long fight scenes, and violence can all be considered fan service as they are specifically aimed at pleasing the fans of any given show" "giving the fans "exactly what they want". (then its not unexpected) |
IHAFUFOct 6, 2014 10:31 AM
Okiura said: tsudecimo said: The Database mods. IIRC they get them for Japanese magazines that publishes the anime information and genre tags. For a more accurate answer you should ask a DB mod. I wanted to say that you're over-thinking it a bit. The absolute distinction you make between sexual FS and Ecchi is artificial. It just depends on what the show is going for, really. A harem comedy series, would obviously aim at something, while a serious action show aims at something else. Genre tags makes the distinction clearer. |
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IHAFUF said: tsudecimo said: Umm, you just supported his point. Since Black Jack isn't an ecchi show, you wouldn't expect ecchi in it, so having sexual scenes in it, are considered fanservice. Unless the sex or sexual scenes in the show is actually plot relevant in a show that isn't ecchi (i.e Rumbling Hearts), then it's fanservice. Well if we are gonna hop onto wikipedia and believe everything then, "Works described as ecchi do not show sexual intercourse or genitalia. Instead, sexual themes are hinted at, and much is left up to the imagination of the viewer." You are once again, proving my point. |
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tsudecimo said: IHAFUF said: Well if we are gonna hop onto wikipedia and believe everything then, "Works described as ecchi do not show sexual intercourse or genitalia. Instead, sexual themes are hinted at, and much is left up to the imagination of the viewer." You are once again, proving my point. "Long, full shots of robots in mecha shows, sexual elements, long fight scenes, and violence can all be considered fan service as they are specifically aimed at pleasing the fans of any given show" It seems fan service is not suppose to be unexpected if it is suppose to "give fans exactly what they want.". "Fan service is especially common in shonen manga (aimed at boys). In shonen manga, pin-up girl style images are common "in varying states of undress", often using an "accidental exposure" excuse to show a favourite female character, or an upskirt "glimpse of a character's panties". Series aimed at an older audience include more explicit fan service." It's basically ecchi... |
| Why do we only talking about sexual fan service? The title obvs says ''Fan service''. We should go into something.... more something more interesting than sexual fan service. |
YehartOct 6, 2014 11:03 AM
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| Maybe they think it's unnecessary for the anime. |
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M3k4toku said: Why do we only talking about sexual fan service? The title obvs says ''Fan service''. We should go into something.... more something more interesting than sexual fan service. Well that's most people associate the word "fan service" with. OP seems to be talking about lolis...I like lolis... |
| Because, if I wanted to jerk it, there are plenty of other media I'd be making use of. |
| Somewhere, there is an unplugged toaster sitting on a Coleman stove. Does it feel lonely? |
| Fanservice is the worst thing of anime. The 23 min of an episode has to be for story, etc. |
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| Cause they're gaaaaaaaay. FloatsBoats said: And because of poor reasoning and shitty generalizations like these.Fan Service is just "we don't know how to write a proper show so heres some tits, BE ENTERTAINED!". If I want tits and ass I know where to find it on the internet. crosx said: As well as a mislead understanding of what anime even is in the first place like this.Fanservice is the worst thing of anime. The 23 min of an episode has to be for story, etc. A lot of people do have valid complaints when it comes to fan service. Sometimes, there is too much fan service for the particular genre of the show, or the fan service is badly timed in a way that it detracts from the impact a moment could have on you, and other times, the fan service itself could just be of extremely low quality. These are all valid complaints as bad fan service can ruin your immersion or even go as far as to shatter the fourth wall completely. But keep in mind that I said "bad fan service" and not fan service in general. Fan service by itself is not only completely harmless, but encourged. It does not detract from the quality of the show when it is done appropriately, but instead, only can add to the entertainment value. And considering the fact that the goal of things like anime in the first place is to entertain you, I don't see why anyone with any sense in their head would be against the concept of fan service as a whole. Perhaps there are too many people out there who have been listening to the ass-end of the pseudo-critic shit spewing. Fan service has essentially become a depthless critical buzzword nowadays so that wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. |
KorrvoOct 6, 2014 11:30 AM
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Veronin said: Some of us aren't twelve years old any more and don't find pantyshots particularly exciting. It's a lazy method of pandering and shows absolutely no respect for the audience. If an anime is not mature enough to show sex then it shouldn't have any sexual content whatsoever. Anything in-between is just creepy and pathetic. 100% my opinion |
| It wasn't me who was wrong, it was the world! |
| I see most of them defending it.. |
Qans said: 80% of the people who hate on fanservice are just looking for reasons to dislike the show Yeah it really is there are a lot of dumb asses who hate on ecchi based shows just to find something to hate on like high school dxd the show is not rated as high as it should be because of people just hating for fan service now I'm not saying this about everyone but I'm just saying there are alot of people who do that. |
| Depends on how much fanservice the show has. If it has the same amount of fan service as shows like HOTD then i have every right to complain. It doesn't completely ruin a show but i wastes some of it's potential. There are a lot of other places on the internet where i can watch actual hentai and not some girls teasing some male characters with their bodies. |
Korrvo said: FloatsBoats said: And because of poor reasoning and shitty generalizations like these.Fan Service is just "we don't know how to write a proper show so heres some tits, BE ENTERTAINED!". If I want tits and ass I know where to find it on the internet. Nah it's a perfectly legitimate reason in my mind. I have yet to see an anime littered with Fan-Service that actually works to the appeal of the show. Therefore, I dislike Fan-Service.. Simple! Although I do admit I was saying that in a jokingly way. My main problem with it is because I havn't found a show that I like that has Fan-Service, I have watched some pretty bad ones lately. Gokukoku no Brynhildr, Sekoku no Dragonar :( |
CraftyOct 6, 2014 11:59 AM
FloatsBoats said: Korrvo said: And because of poor reasoning and shitty generalizations like these. Nah it's a perfectly legitimate reason in my mind. I have yet to see an anime littered with Fan-Service that actually works to the appeal of the show. Therefore, I dislike Fan-Service.. Simple! Although I do admit I was saying that in a jokingly way. My main problem with it is because I havn't found a show that I like that has Fan-Service, I have watched some pretty bad ones lately. Gokukoku no Brynhildr, Sekoku no Dragonar :( There is one I really believe is the best ecchi anime, B Gata H Kei, basically a girl trying to find a sex friend. Try it out. |
FloatsBoats said: You seem to be confusing fan service as only something in the ecchi genre.Korrvo said: And because of poor reasoning and shitty generalizations like these. Nah it's a perfectly legitimate reason in my mind. I have yet to see an anime littered with Fan-Service that actually works to the appeal of the show. Therefore, I dislike Fan-Service.. Simple! Although I do admit I was saying that in a jokingly way. My main problem with it is because I havn't found a show that I like that has Fan-Service, I have watched some pretty bad ones lately. Gokukoku no Brynhildr, Sekoku no Dragonar :( There is such a thing as mild, casual fan service. |
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| I don't complain about fan service per se, but I definitely complain about its implementation in situations where it just isn't necessary and only distracts from the actual plot in order to grab viewer attention in a cheap way. |
| I miss the old days where you could find a fanservice Anime where the girls had mostly normal, realistic size breasts. |
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Working_Designs said: If I wanted that though I'd just look at real life girls.I miss the old days where you could find a fanservice Anime where the girls had mostly normal, realistic size breasts. Duh |
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Korrvo said: Working_Designs said: If I wanted that I'd look at real life girls.I miss the old days where you could find a fanservice Anime where the girls had mostly normal, realistic size breasts. Duh. Most real life girls are fat and ugly, so no. |
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Working_Designs said: I think we seem to be looking at different girls..Korrvo said: If I wanted that I'd look at real life girls. Duh. Most real life girls are fat and ugly, so no. |
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