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| Oh man, that scene on the bike.Another amazing episode. |
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| This series keeps getting better and better. One thing that was kinda bugging me though is how the police department doesn't seem to have very much faith in Shibasaki... I mean he managed to solve 2 of the riddles before anyone else could but they still didn't seem to care about anything he was saying this episode even though he ended up solving the riddle once again... |
Kundalini said: jimjameswhatever said: By the way, did nobody catch the bombshell of a hint at Nine's background/intentions? "Well when I asked him what his pops did, he suddenly got real quiet. I thought maybe I'd hit a nerve or something" *Shibasaki stares* "Father, Oedipus, killing his father...riddles, bombs, and plutonium..." As we all know, Oedipus was abandoned by his father for fear of his own mortality. Nine was "abandoned" by someone...or something? We still don't know if he is a naturally born human or a product of science. Assuming he is the latter, perhaps his "father" is not a person but can maybe be Society as a whole. He is exceptional, yet 'man made' and is not 'fit' to be a part of "normal" society so he is "abandoned" aka taken out of normal society. Maybe this is why he makes these bombs and takes the plutonium. Perhaps he has given himself to a fate similar to Oedipus in which he kills his "father." But I'm kind of stuck at that point in my theory. Not all the pieces of the puzzle fit in my mind, so any insight from some of you would be nice ^__^ When someone is abandoned, and instead taken up by someone, who would he consider his 'father' to be? This 'someone' can also be a 'something'. He probably got quiet cos Nine might be thinking of his 'pops' as the institution... and the institution as a place of authority falls under the organizational structure, as flawed as it may be, of 'Japan'. So indirectly, his 'father' would be the institution of Japan itself, or, as this episode illustrated, the Information Society that is controlled, is controllable, and is manipulated by higher authorities. Now then, consider "Father, Oedipus, killing his father...riddles, bombs, and plutonium..." :) Again: http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/the-information-society-is-in-crisis-and-what-to-do-about-it/ btw, what's the Tvtropes thing? oooo I'll read this too haha tv tropes: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/ZankyouNoTerror |
Maerow said: Samauri55ZeRo said: Shitty? Sorry if i make mistakes, i'm still learning english :/ But yeah, that episode 3 was really... bad, nothing more... I fail to see what was bad about episode 3. Maybe you didn't get it. |
| Can anyone tell me the name of the OST when Lisa is on the motorcycle with Twelve? |
Maerow said: This episode gave me hope ! To be honest, i almost drop it because of that shitty episode 3, but after all, it can be interesting ! What was shitty about it? |
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marian11 said: Can anyone tell me the name of the OST when Lisa is on the motorcycle with Twelve? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1oncUennTs |
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| The motorcycle scene at the end was beautiful. |
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| AMAZING one episode after another it just continues to be perfect. |
CrazeeeSkyhopper said: marian11 said: Can anyone tell me the name of the OST when Lisa is on the motorcycle with Twelve? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1oncUennTs Thank you, good sir. I sure hope we get another OST for this anime. Yoko Kanno is just too awesome. |
| Woah 2 intense cliffhangers. It's highly likely that the bomb will actually kill people this time. Hopefully Lisa will be okay. The song during the bike chase was really nice. Loved the focus on Nine, Twelve and Lisa. Finally Lisa joined Nine and Twelve. When Lisa collapsed it got me thinking, is the whole trio going to die in the end? o-o It doesn't seem too farfetched. Can't wait for the next episode! |
“You should enjoy the little detours. To the fullest. Because that’s where you’ll find the things more important than what you want.” —Ging |
| Aside from a few bad lines, this was an excellent episode. Nine needs better development though; he's kind of shallow right now. 4/5 |
Maerow said: pLaguE_ said: What was shitty about it? I can't explain too much with my level in English but... Hated how Shibazaki solved the riddle, just.. NO, too cliché, can't take it, it ruined the whole episode. Cliche? Perhaps. Executed well? Yes. |
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| Awww awawawawaw I sense some Twelve x Lisa going on. |
| LOVING THIS SHOW!! AHHFHSUFHDSOFHS SERIOUSLY THOUGH... Can they stop giving screen time to those old men x_x I would prefer if they focused more on Lisa and 9 and 12!!! Q ^ Q The trio is more fascinating to me!! |
Lulexiaa said: LOVING THIS SHOW!! AHHFHSUFHDSOFHS SERIOUSLY THOUGH... Can they stop giving screen time to those old men x_x I would prefer if they focused more on Lisa and 9 and 12!!! Q ^ Q The trio is more fascinating to me!! Exactly this, thank you! |
| Lisa got what she wished for! For someone to sweep her off her feet and take her to a whole other world. The bike scene just felt so good for reason :) |
| Nice episode, got entertained well. 5/5 |
Xfusion said: SalemWitch said: Exactly this, thank you! I think the trio is fabulous and needs more development . The secondary characters should be treated as such xD I'm just eagerly waiting for an episode just for the trio.. I want to know more about Lisa, and whats with her mom, and also Nine and Twelve's past!! I swear every time the scene cuts to the old men I get frustrated b/c I want more of the trio!!!xD (they are the bestest ; - ; ) The old men are getting more screen time than the trio xD |
BRK25 said: SunkenShip said: Aside from a few bad lines, this was an excellent episode. Nine needs better development though; he's kind of shallow right now. 4/5 Bad lines? Care to go in depth? AS for Nine, yes, he hasn't gotten the kind of development or information we need. Twelve has gotten some development in very subtle ways. Nine however is stuck in a rut. Oh you! I missed you. And yeah, gladly. Tohka_Yatogami said: Shibazaki is a genius, he solved the riddles so easily. Too bad, the polices ignored Shibazaki's advice. This was bad and dumb. I mean last episode he solved the riddle in front of them and stopped a bombing you'd think he'd get a little bit more attention. Instead, that guy tells him "You're just enjoying the game like those kids!" Um please? He saved your asses last episode. And another line is by the fat guy: "do you not know yourself?!" to Shibasaki which helped him solve the riddle. Last time it was Dungeon & Dragons, and now this. Meh. NOOOO NOW IT LOOKS LIKE I'M NITPICKING AGAIN. I thought it was a great episode, really. |
SunkenShipJul 31, 2014 1:06 PM
| Great episode. That OST is amazing. Maybe I missed someone but are they avoiding trying to kill people? |
| This anime is just so damn good. The animation, the music, the charachters. It's all amazing. And I can't stop listening to the OP/ED. I find myself really looking forward to this show each week. It's just too good. |
SunkenShip said: BRK25 said: Bad lines? Care to go in depth? AS for Nine, yes, he hasn't gotten the kind of development or information we need. Twelve has gotten some development in very subtle ways. Nine however is stuck in a rut. Oh you! I missed you. And yeah, gladly. Tohka_Yatogami said: Shibazaki is a genius, he solved the riddles so easily. Too bad, the polices ignored Shibazaki's advice. This was bad and dumb. I mean last episode he solved the riddle in front of them and stopped a bombing you'd think he'd get a little bit more attention. Instead, that guy tells him "You're just enjoying the game like those kids!" Um please? He saved your asses last episode. And another line is by the fat guy: "do you not know yourself?!" to Shibasaki which helped him solve the riddle. Last time it was Dungeon & Dragons, and now this. Meh. NOOOO NOW IT LOOKS LIKE I'M NITPICKING AGAIN. I thought it was a great episode, really. *puzzles and dragons what makes shibasaki a great detective is not just the fact that he "knows things." What makes him great is his ability to "hear" the right things. If you ever tried writing poems, drawing something, etc. the most random moments will inspire you. I guess the timing is a little too perfect in the case of the show, but I think it's fine. It's not a huge stretch tbh. |
| Good episode, I hope this series will keep getting better from now on. Lisa being friendly with the guy that threatened to killed her, classic stockholm syndrome. |
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| What happened to Lisa ? :O |
Maerow said: pLaguE_ said: Cliche? Perhaps. Executed well? Yes. Executed well ? Maybe for you, not my case... puzzles and dragons fits very well into the theme of isolation in the story. It was a very clever way of connecting the dots to the riddle. |
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BRK25 said: In actuality though, they got a lead and tried to infiltrate their home. They didn't care about the bomb, they cared simply to catch the boys and stop them. That's why the riddle was of no importance. Get the boys, riddles don't mean a damn when they are behind bars. I just couldn't believe they'd use a password of the detective. I would have never guessed. The fat guy seems to be the one who works outside the box and really does not seem to be too involved. One person can place a new perspective when not stuck on a certain object and maybe that's his role. He isn't a class detective but unknowingly hand a new route to go through. This episode gets a 11 from me. 11/10 Too awesome and hope the anime hasn't reached its peak. When Shibasaki told them not to go there, they should have listened. He solved the riddles twice already, didn't he? And he did warn them about the cheating thing yet they chose to ignore him. AND that piece of shit yelling at him like that. ugh. I'm sorry I found it hard to believe. The fat guy thing, like many have said in last week's thread, is a big cliche we've seen a dozen times before. I see where you're coming from, but this "wait what was that?!" crap is so overused and weakens the narrative in my opinion. Doing it once is fine I guess, but twice is too much. |
| NC17, IS : Awesome. You can't fail with that kind of OST. Also, I smell a love triangle! |
jimjameswhatever said: *puzzles and dragons what makes shibasaki a great detective is not just the fact that he "knows things." What makes him great is his ability to "hear" the right things. If you ever tried writing poems, drawing something, etc. the most random moments will inspire you. I guess the timing is a little too perfect in the case of the show, but I think it's fine. It's not a huge stretch tbh. Puzzles and Dragons yeah lool. I understand that you see it differently, and a lot of others probably do. But in my case I immediately knew he was gonna solve the riddle looking at that game. And surprise surprise he did. And you're right it's nothing to stress over. It is annoying though. |
| This show continues to be bad yet entertaining. Shibazaki is nearly insufferable and the whole "intellectual back-and-forth" has been silly, to put it gently. The OST and visuals have been saving graces. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| Nooo, its over. I need more. First time ever hearing english songs in Anime |
jimjameswhatever said: what makes shibasaki a great detective is not just the fact that he "knows things." What makes him great is his ability to "hear" the right things. If you ever tried writing poems, drawing something, etc. the most random moments will inspire you. I guess the timing is a little too perfect in the case of the show, but I think it's fine. It's not a huge stretch tbh. Yup! He's attentive. His brain absorbs more detail than the others.. His awareness is really broad. That's why he picks up on keywords. For a show, it may seem a bit contrived, but it happens a lot. Things 'click'. But obviously, in 20 minutes of packed action, one moment like this will feel stray, esp, when we don't see him visibly thinking of other things to solve it. In this ep, he was trying out passwords for 3 hours, and really was about to give it up. But the words "know yourself" echoed back. I guess that for a planned narrative, this device becomes weak, yet.. hmm. SunkenShip said: When Shibasaki told them not to go there, they should have listened. He solved the riddles twice already, didn't he? And he did warn them about the cheating thing yet they chose to ignore him. AND that piece of shit yelling at him like that. ugh. I'm sorry I found it hard to believe. He solved the riddle in front of them only once. That's not really trustable. To them, it can be chance. Plus, people are persistent. They repeat mistakes, especially in haste. And it's more like repeating chance acts - when you repeat a mistake, what you have in mind is not that it's a 'mistake' but you give a leeway in your mind that, this time, there's a possibility that a different scenario will take place. Shibazaki eliminates this probability, this chance act. And that guy who yelled at him.. well, he was already jealous of Shibazaki. He never acknowledged him, since he was 'some random guy from the archives who's suddenly bossing me around'. |
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BRK25 said: Let's hope for no repeats. Yes, that detective got the answers right but an issue coming up is that the prideful dude seriously didn't want him there and while Shibazaki warned ONE cop to not interfere, that ONE cop ignored him and didn't say a damn thing to anyone else. Himura(the guy who yelled) never wanted him there and said to get his things, they're done. After that, he scoffed and left. Shibazaki solved three riddles technically. One right when it happened, two and avoiding a bomb. Three with the other cops cheating and getting too greedy. Unless I was blind, I don't recall what the cheating terms meant and furthermore of Shibazaki warning them before hand except for Himura who is too hotheaded to not listen. I'm sure Shibazaki is going to have a word with these baboons soon enough. THEY ignored him when he said the riddle is legit and they had to solve it. But ok, let's just assume Himura is an immature jerk whose lines and actions are comparable to that of a 12 year old's. Terrorism is serious business. Shoving off important advice from the only person who had successfully beaten the bad guys (or riddles) more than once before is stupid. Kundalini said: He solved the riddle in front of them only once. That's not really trustable. To them, it can be chance. He solved two riddles I think? Their boss knows best. What's his excuse for not listening? |
SunkenShip said: jimjameswhatever said: *puzzles and dragons what makes shibasaki a great detective is not just the fact that he "knows things." What makes him great is his ability to "hear" the right things. If you ever tried writing poems, drawing something, etc. the most random moments will inspire you. I guess the timing is a little too perfect in the case of the show, but I think it's fine. It's not a huge stretch tbh. Puzzles and Dragons yeah lool. I understand that you see it differently, and a lot of others probably do. But in my case I immediately knew he was gonna solve the riddle looking at that game. And surprise surprise he did. And you're right it's nothing to stress over. It is annoying though. I think the good thing is, regardless of whether or not you like these cliches, is that there is meaning to these things Shibasaki is making connections with. I've said it before already, but the connection between people that puzzles and dragons provides is very clever in it's relation to all the isolation that the characters deal with. This episode, the key to solving the riddle was "knowing yourself." Once again, when it comes to "connections" most people would probably think that the ability to understand others is most important. However, knowing yourself, and how you fit into the larger picture of society is important as well. |
| Oh my god that OST. Poor Lisa. I'm glad 12 came to her rescue. |
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parfaited said: I hope that no one dies though I can't shake off the horrible feeling that Twelve will be the first to go. Hope i'm wrong about this. i also hope you're wrong. what are the chances that lisa is either shibasaki or the dead politician's daughter? also, i guess nine and twelve have no other choice than to let lisa hang out with them. i also get the feeling that lisa's presence in their lives might cause complications later on |
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