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May 18, 2009 9:21 PM

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I'm somewhat inclined to think that the people who keep complaining about the SD haven't read the manga, and think that this series should be an angst-filled train to angsttown like FMA1. While I agree that there are a few places where the SD doesn't quite fit/seems to break the overall "flow", I'm happy with it overall. The SD is part of what makes FMA FMA.


no i haven't read the manga and i'm not comparing this with the original series. I personally think this version is great so far, i'm just not a fan of the type of comedy the manga uses. But it doesen't mean i won't love brotherhood because i am.
May 18, 2009 10:51 PM

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well things seems to be going pretty fast- scar beaten up, library burned down, sheska showing up, and the discovery of the hidden ingredient of the stone, things are progressing well
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May 19, 2009 12:57 AM

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Nice episode, nice pace.
May 19, 2009 6:54 AM

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And so, Laboratory 5 is beginning <3 I loved those eps..

May 19, 2009 10:40 AM

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It was an ok episode I guess, but I can't wait till Barry the Chopper makes his entrance ;]
As well as Ed's fight with the other one, whos name's slipped my mind >.>
May 19, 2009 12:07 PM

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The episode was comperehensive with the philosephers stone bit, which added a lot of insight. I liked how they have some comedy relief in the episodes which is always a plus. The series looks like it has potential and for the first time I am being optimistic about the later stages!
May 19, 2009 1:22 PM
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Solid storytelling and direction in this episode. Much more efficient and a bertter narration than in the first season for sure.

In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
May 19, 2009 2:26 PM

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Great episode once again... I totally forgot what happened at lab 5, so can't wait for next episode :)


May 19, 2009 6:47 PM

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Great ep. Solid. So many things happened and lots of LOL too.
May 19, 2009 7:34 PM

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Very good. But everything is happening quickly too much.
May 19, 2009 7:37 PM

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Sorry to break the flow of "loved it" but I didn't like it that much. But I am noticing that it's always taking me 2-3 viewings to like the new series episodes. They are in fact quite good, but I can't help compare it to FMA1 in my first viewing. Anyway, what I didn't like-

1. The Scar-homunculus fight was too short.
2. How Sheska (I always thought her name was Cheska when I watched FMA1 dubbed !!) was introduced. I mean not how she introduced herself and all coz that was very good and funny but how Ed and Al were suddenly taken to a fired ex-employee seemed like "rushed" (oh no here's that word again, sorry). Anyway when I watched that part a second time, it did seem quite logical for the military to keep such information.

3. How Ed and Al revealed the truth to Ross and Brosh themselves and then requested them to keep quiet about it didn't feel right with me. Obviously they had to tell Armstrong. In FMA1 Ross overheard it which I personally found better.

4. Was it just me or did it seem like the conversation where Hughes gives Sheska the job misses a few lines? like Sheska saying she can reproduce all the records or Hughes confirming that she can do it. In the episode, it showed Sheska saying she memorized the records and Hughes immediately saying "Alright, let's go through the procedures" . A trifle thing but well it's bugging me.

5. Still can't find a stand-out/moving music theme. Arghhh.

Anyway, I'm sure i would like it on my 2nd viewing. A few things I liked in my 1st viewing-

1. How Gluttony sniffed out Scar and then started the attack.
2. Sheska looked cuter and way funnier.
3. Ross and Brosh were great, and where Al tells them he wears the armour as a hobby, it was so funny.


EDIT: I watched Tomodachi & AsuNoSubs. Didn't like their OP translation. I'll download Eclipse once they release it.


I agree with most of what your saying. This episode went back to feeling like the first 2 episodes. It jumped around way to much and left things open as to assume the viewer knew what happed or what was going to happen. With that said, I don't think I would have been able to understand this episode if it wasn't for watching the first season. I would have probably had to watch it again to pick up on some of the things they skimmed over.

I'm not exactly sure what to think about this series.
1) If they where making this series in the hopes to grab new fans then I think it's only going to confuse them if the future episodes are anything like this.
2) If they where making this to please manga fans then their obviously doing a good job since they seem to be the only ones enjoying this whole heartedly.
3) If they where making this as a continuation of the first season then I think they could have done a way better job starting it.
4) If they're doing this for money... then it all makes sense.
May 19, 2009 8:28 PM
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I don't think this series is confusing without having prior knowledge of the first series and the manga. I believe we've had a few people even state on the forums that they thought Brotherhood was good without having read the manga or watched the first anime series.

I'm not sure what was left open in this episode honestly, and anything that was left open is most likely going to be covered again later on. I haven't read the beginning chapters of the manga or watched the first series in years so for me it was like watching it for the first time. I think it was all pretty understandable and most of the things mentioned above by the previous poster seem like minor things that really wouldn't have made the overall story or this episode incomprehensible.
May 20, 2009 1:29 AM

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1) If they where making this series in the hopes to grab new fans then I think it's only going to confuse them if the future episodes are anything like this.


I have yet to see at least one new fan who would be confused by the plot. So far its quite clear and easy to follow. The only ones who are confused or overflowing with anger are the ones who idolize FMA1 way too much.

DeathfireD said:

4) If they're doing this for money... then it all makes sense.

Everything, no matter what no matter when is done "for money". No one does something that they think would yeld no money for them.

DeathfireD said:

3) If they where making this as a continuation of the first season then I think they could have done a way better job starting it.


We had continuation of FMA1....
With nazi....hitler.....and....nazi....who....were....in...mecha....contaminated....by....cthulhu
*insert random envy snake here and forget it*

Thent we had a lame finisher OVA where we apparently found out that Ed's children all are clones of Ed, Al and Winry, since genetics truly don't work.


FMA1 is done and thank the gods, its done.
May 20, 2009 2:11 AM
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really.. i want to c somethin new
May 20, 2009 2:27 AM
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that was great!! i love that they're going at such a fast pace but I'm really missing the darker mood that was in the first FMA.
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May 20, 2009 8:00 AM

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I thought that was a great episode, kinda wished they'd put in that part when you see Sheska in the library beforehand though. Gave her more character. I prefer the Sheska in this series though.
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really.. i want to c somethin new
It's a remake. What did you expect? Get real.
May 20, 2009 9:05 AM

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this new version is better than the other, i like it so much, but the true problems come.
May 20, 2009 11:35 AM

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the art was creepy but everything except it was more or less ok.
can't wait for the second ep, gotta be some action.
May 20, 2009 4:44 PM

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Fai said:
DeathfireD said:

1) If they where making this series in the hopes to grab new fans then I think it's only going to confuse them if the future episodes are anything like this.


I have yet to see at least one new fan who would be confused by the plot. So far its quite clear and easy to follow. The only ones who are confused or overflowing with anger are the ones who idolize FMA1 way too much.


I've only seen two people make posts about never seeing FMA1 and reading the manga and 1 of them admitted to not liking this series.

PS. I never said every episode was confusing. I specifically said this episode would have been if I had never seen FMA1. I can guarantee you that most of the people that haven't seen FM1 or read the manga probably didn't even realize what half of the shit was that happened in this episode. "omg the stone is made from people" is probably the highlight for them lol.

You can keep your head in the manga all you want but the fact that this series is all over the place is painfully obvious. I liked the two episodes before this one and I was hopping for more like that but it seems they took two steps back and started rushing shit again. Not sure why you like this but whatever floats your boat I guess.
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DeathfireD said:
Fai said:
DeathfireD said:

1) If they where making this series in the hopes to grab new fans then I think it's only going to confuse them if the future episodes are anything like this.


I have yet to see at least one new fan who would be confused by the plot. So far its quite clear and easy to follow. The only ones who are confused or overflowing with anger are the ones who idolize FMA1 way too much.


I've only seen two people make posts about never seeing FMA1 and reading the manga and 1 of them admitted to not liking this series.

PS. I never said every episode was confusing. I specifically said this episode would have been if I had never seen FMA1. I can guarantee you that most of the people that haven't seen FM1 or read the manga probably didn't even realize what half of the shit was that happened in this episode. "omg the stone is made from people" is probably the highlight for them lol.

You can keep your head in the manga all you want but the fact that this series is all over the place is painfully obvious. I liked the two episodes before this one and I was hopping for more like that but it seems they took two steps back and started rushing shit again. Not sure why you like this but whatever floats your boat I guess.


What about this episode would have been confusing? You really haven't explained that because to me most of it was pretty straight forward and clear.

-Ed and Al went to the library and found out it was burned down.
-Meet Ross and Bosh who lead them to Sheshka
-They get Marcoh's notes from her and decipher them.
-Find out the stone is made from humans
-Realize that there's more to it and investigate
-They sneak into Lab.

That's basically all this episode was and I'm not sure what more needed to be said in order to make it more understandable to the viewers.


This series is not that bad, and it's not just those who enjoy the manga who like it...
May 20, 2009 9:32 PM

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Good ep, but I can see how this might have been confusing to those who have not experienced the original series or manga. So much information is revealed in this ep that it did see a bit rushed at times.

The transition between them hiring Shiska to rewrite the documents and her actually presenting the papers felt real rushed.

Oh well, if it means we'll have some new material within the next 5 eps, then I'm all for the fast pace!


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really.. i want to c somethin new


In due time.
May 21, 2009 2:05 AM

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Wow already at labatory 5. Awesome.

Sheska was adorable in this episode, when she goes into fantasy mode about branch 1. Brilliant.

I was fully expecting a mini skirt statement from Mustang after the declaration of becoming Furher. Haha.

Armstrong is complete and utter win. I like the comedic moments between Ross and Brosch this episode. Seems I'll like them a lot more this time round.

Can't wait for the fighting of the next episode. I'm loving this at the moment.
May 21, 2009 5:15 PM

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Fai said:
have yet to see at least one new fan who would be confused by the plot. So far its quite clear and easy to follow. The only ones who are confused or overflowing with anger are the ones who idolize FMA1 way too much.

I'm a new fan and I haven't been confused at all so far.

Anyway, from the perspective of someone who has never read the manga or watched the original series: I liked the episode but I agree it felt a bit rushed. For the most part, I've had no problems with the pacing of the series, but this one really did seem to pack more than should probably be in a single episode into one. They could've ended it with them discovering the truth imo, or after they first find out about the fifth laboratory but before they go to it.

That said, it was a good episode overall. Lots of plot advancement, and I definitely want to see where this all goes. Really liking the series overall so far.
May 21, 2009 5:47 PM

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Fai said:
have yet to see at least one new fan who would be confused by the plot. So far its quite clear and easy to follow. The only ones who are confused or overflowing with anger are the ones who idolize FMA1 way too much.

I'm a new fan and I haven't been confused at all so far.

Anyway, from the perspective of someone who has never read the manga or watched the original series: I liked the episode but I agree it felt a bit rushed. For the most part, I've had no problems with the pacing of the series, but this one really did seem to pack more than should probably be in a single episode into one. They could've ended it with them discovering the truth imo, or after they first find out about the fifth laboratory but before they go to it.

That said, it was a good episode overall. Lots of plot advancement, and I definitely want to see where this all goes. Really liking the series overall so far.
I'm very glad to see you're enjoying it so far :) I hope to see more of your opinions in future episode threads!! :D
May 22, 2009 5:54 AM
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It's not that the story or pacing would be "confusing" to new viewers. This is an exaggeration or a misunderstanding. It's simply that episodes like #7 throw a lot of information at the viewer. This doesn't mean the viewer is going to be confused, simply they are going to go with the flow and accept what's happening in front of them because they dont have time to dwell on certain facts.

So, when said information is necessary to understand something later in the story, unneeded repetitive exposition is going to be mandatory to "refresh" the viewer because the studio knows they didn't give the viewer enough time for the info the "sink in", as it were, the first time they presented the viewer the information.

This is the reasoning why certain facts are repeated time and again for the big revelations later. This includes stuff like whenever Ed uses alchemy without a T. circle, someone ALWAYS says "Alchemy without a transmutation circle!?!?!?"
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Kabyk said:
It's not that the story or pacing would be "confusing" to new viewers. This is an exaggeration or a misunderstanding. It's simply that episodes like #7 throw a lot of information at the viewer. This doesn't mean the viewer is going to be confused, simply they are going to go with the flow and accept what's happening in front of them because they dont have time to dwell on certain facts.

So, when said information is necessary to understand something later in the story, unneeded repetitive exposition is going to be mandatory to "refresh" the viewer because the studio knows they didn't give the viewer enough time for the info the "sink in", as it were, the first time they presented the viewer the information.
I dunno...I know this is not really possible for people viewing it in Japan, but as for the rest of us we do have a chance to rewatch episodes. So if you can't really absorb all of the info, you can re-watch it again.

But I don't think that's what your point is, and I get what you're trying to get at. But personally, I really don't think there was too much info especially in this episode. Everything was just so straightforward, I highly doubt people can get confused much. I've seen other animes that have done worse..
May 22, 2009 10:14 AM

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In due time.


I really hope so
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Is it just me or does Gluttony seem more awesome than before? <__< But yeah, glad to see Sheska again. As usual, I love the amount the comedy they through in there. Looking forward to next episode's fight.
May 22, 2009 6:29 PM
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Yeah, this version is getting better. The real action is to come =)
May 22, 2009 6:35 PM

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Kabyk said:
This is the reasoning why certain facts are repeated time and again for the big revelations later. This includes stuff like whenever Ed uses alchemy without a T. circle, someone ALWAYS says "Alchemy without a transmutation circle!?!?!?"

It makes perfect sense that people would be surprised at that, though. I think it's less that they're trying to remind the viewer and more that they're trying to make it clear just how amazing it is that he can do that. At least, that was the impression I got.

Also, @robbydesu: It's nice to feel welcome around here.
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This episode is almost the same as episodes 18 and 19 of the first series, so the new series is moving quickly...which is good in my opinion. That means the new stuff should be coming soon. ^_^ I kind of like the review, though I'm really eager to see something different. Edward called himself short!!! lol.
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May 22, 2009 10:24 PM

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Lol......

Love this episode.....

Sheska sugoi!!
May 23, 2009 5:07 AM

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This episode is almost the same as episodes 18 and 19 of the first series, so the new series is moving quickly...which is good in my opinion. That means the new stuff should be coming soon. ^_^ I kind of like the review, though I'm really eager to see something different. Edward called himself short!!! lol.


"quickly"?

Its Chapter ~11 in manga. I see nothing quick in that.
May 23, 2009 5:38 AM

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I love this episode so much (along with all the others) ^_^ Ah, i loved the manga humor! So many great moments ^_^ Armstrong was funny as always and Ed calling himself short...XD The way Paku-san said it ^w^ lovely.
Sheska was awesome, i love how hyper she is. Her new seiyuu is wonderful.
I swear I've heard Denny's voice somewhere but i don't remember where....XD

When they discover the truth, it felt more intense. The mood...everything, was perfect. Also, the scene where Ed is on the couch...i loved how it was significantly darker...(and the fan...looked good XD Oh! and Ed's automail)

I laughed during the eyecatch XD

I was so excited to see Barry and the Slicer! Their new voices sound great. I'm looking forward to the next episode! =D

I'm loving this new series ^w^
May 24, 2009 4:32 PM

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Loved it when Ed called himself short!

May 25, 2009 11:05 AM

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It is going well so far FMA Brotherhood is fast, funny and exciting. Ed is so awesome
May 25, 2009 10:05 PM

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- Sheska is outstanding! I'm wondering if Sheska was an influence for Yokiro Readman (R.O.D.) or vice versa.

- Any idea why "Full Metal Alchemist" at the break is spoken in English?

- Armstrong ROCKS!

- "Crap! I Called myself small!" LOL!

This version is incredible, I'm very impressed on how the artwork stays true to the artwork in the manga.
May 28, 2009 1:10 AM

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One word, FAST!!!

The progression of the storyline is just fast... XD It feels like I'm already watching 20+ episodes when it's just episode 7... LOL!

The melodramatic + comedy combo is just so awesome in FMA. XD
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Fai said:
TwistedRose said:
This episode is almost the same as episodes 18 and 19 of the first series, so the new series is moving quickly...which is good in my opinion. That means the new stuff should be coming soon. ^_^ I kind of like the review, though I'm really eager to see something different. Edward called himself short!!! lol.


"quickly"?

Its Chapter ~11 in manga. I see nothing quick in that.


Well, seeing as how they started out with about one chapter per episode, and somehow we're at ep. 7 with it being chapter ~11... seems kinda quick to me.
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Gosh, Armstrong is so epic... but I gotta say, so far this version of FMA has been more captivating than the older one.

Even thought I only, seriously, watched the other one up to the reference they just had 2 episodes ago with that "guy" from the village who was scamming people and ED tricks him with fake gold :)
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One word, FAST!!!

The progression of the storyline is just fast... XD It feels like I'm already watching 20+ episodes when it's just episode 7... LOL!

The melodramatic + comedy combo is just so awesome in FMA. XD

Only 11 chapters have went by, so it's not that fast. It's true that some episodes doubled up, but nothing major have been lost in the storytelling. IMO, it's a good pace and it is staying truer to the manga than the previous series (not that the first was bad in the first place).

I stopped watching the first series after this story arc. It wasn't because it was bad, other animes grabbed my attention so I forgot about watching more. I really should watch the first series.
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Sep 12, 2009 7:45 PM

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People need to cool it with the comparisons. Of course, you're going to do them subconsciously, but if you keep it up, you're not going to enjoy this series as much. They're different, so it's best to just accept that and enjoy them both for what they are.

Anyway, Armstrong continues to be hilarious and awesome. Nice to see Sheska again!
Oct 12, 2009 9:40 PM
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finally a fight scene
Nov 3, 2009 12:40 PM

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Amazing episode with a powerful revelation, and omg TEH SUSPENSE!
Mar 27, 2010 9:30 PM

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It was another great episode but they left it when it was getting more interesting. I can't wait for next episode.
May 18, 2010 10:26 PM

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All of those books reminded me of R.O.D.

Next episode should be pretty good with that action coming up.
Jul 3, 2010 12:41 PM

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Wow I love where this is going. It's kinda like a suspense/thriller now since Edward and Al are investigating stuffs that they're not suppose to investigate, lol. I mean live humans are part of the ingredients to create the philosopher's stone? and the government's doing it? Wow lol.

Okay so I wonder who were those 2 monsters inside that abandoned building. I hope Al would be alright. Also, it was disappointing not see the fight between Scar and those 2 deadly sin enemies. I was expecting a big fight. :(
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Personally I was surprised when I knew that the Philosopher's stone ingredients were living humans and more living humans have to be sacrificed to refine it.

Al and Ed are geniuses xD

Realization dawned on Edward that he called himself "Small", quite the shock.

Funny names, 48, and 66 that is, did those two preform some sort of the taboo spell? Makes me excited, so off to watch the next episode! ♥

I'd give this episode 10/10 and the series so far 10/10 ♥
I love the plot too, that'd be another 10/10 ♥
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The recap at the start had me thinking I was rewatching a previous episode. Caused quite abit of confusion for me x.x. As for the episode itself, I actually expected the notes to be a dead end normal recipe book thing. Hurray for unpredictableness haha
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