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| After this episode I've finally realized one issue and it deals with the relationships of Crusty x Princess and Isuzu x Rudy. I believe most people would agree that these are in fact relationships of a romantic nature which will start to blossom sooner than later. So what happens once all the people are returned to the real world? It would really suck to have your lover become some shallow character on a computer screen. This problem exists and is actually pretty unique to Log Horizon because other anime have relied on a "full dive" type system where you could return to the world. That's going to really suck for Isuzu and Crusty unless turning npc's into adventurers brings them to the real world as well. |
| Aaaand this episode is why Shiroe is such a great character. |
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NettoAzure said: MP Redistribution is separate from EXP. MP could be refilled over time and with potions, so it's not as much of a loss as sacrificing memories to revive. Basically: HP = The Body, MP = The Mind/Soul's will, EXP = Memories. Though in some sense I'd argue its the EXP that binds the Body and Soul but w/e. Wow, thanks! O: |
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| Ways to out smart game logic, is to deify it. Awesome episode. Shiroe the best~ |
| they display crusty as super evil, so weird! |
"Urushibara Ruka. The mannerisms and voice of a woman... No... More feminine than any woman. But he's a guy. Taller than Mayuri, but so very thin... But he's a guy. Looks great in a miko outfit... But he's a guy. It's already twilight And yet, it's so hot. The cicadas are crying. But... He's a guy." |
Beholda said: In a show with lesser minds behind it, Shiroe would not have had to come up with that elaborate solution. The powers of love and friendship would have revived Rundelhaus. lol Kirito |
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| And just like that bam, Rudy is back |
| What everyone could see at the start, happens now. FINALLY! |
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| And I thought this couldn't get any better! Now Akatsuki needs the screen-time she deserves :/ Only 5 episodes left D:!! |
| So... the staff behind Elder Tale must seriously consider hiring Shiroe as a GM the moment they return :D to think he'll craft a new spell (i wonder how long does he plan to monopolize this :D.) Well, am glad that Rudy is back! And as a new member of Log Horizon too! would've been interesting if he's sub-class is dragon slayer tho :P and Crusty... didnt expect him to be that of a warfreak, but well, one of the enjoyments of combat-based MMORPGs is to bring out the combative side... and Miss Isuzu... you really treat Rudy as a pet, ahaha --------------- overall, nice episode ^^. +1 for a second season. |
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kuuurt said: >All they need is to think and come up with the idea. Sure, every lvl90 Scribe should have an idea about world-class magic because a world-class magic researcher "magically" appeared to them giving them knowledge necessary to present the fact the creating is plausible in their current world. Yep, he's definitely not OP in the sense of "I AM KIRITO, BITCH." but what I'm talking about is that it justhad to be an infamous Scribe of a once very very strong guild, who now owns the fucking guild hall, who pretty much has the upper-hand on all the guild leaders of the strongest guilds, and is now the leader of (probably) the strongest guild in the game. And he just had to learn of world-class magic. I'm not against characters that start out strong in the game, but I guess I just find this ridiculous, or should I say, "OP." You are being ridiculous, there are tons of lv 90s there. Shiroe acquired the guild hall thanks to the hard work of MANY people including the crafting guild. Btw if by that "strong guild" you mean the Tea Party, they aren't even a guild and he wasn't even the leader. Log Horizon has what? 4 lv 90 members plus a bunch of kids & Rundelhaus? the strongest guild in the game would be Krusty's (if you're talking about battle power). Shiroe just happens to be really2 smart. The only thing that the magic researcher gave him an idea about was merely the concept of HP and MP and how it related to the adventurers. He thought of bending the world's law by observing what Nyanta and the crafting guild did, all of whom had already broken the rules of the world earlier than Shiroe (and before that researcher "magically" appeared before him) by making tasty food and steam engine. Man, it's like you didn't even pay attention to what you watch. |
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kuuurt said: I'm not against characters that start out strong in the game, but I guess I just find this ridiculous, or should I say, "OP." He just thinks more out of the box than most players. Being smarter than other players is not OP. He was not famous because he was a Scribe, he was famous for having the latest information about Rare Item, and this information comes from his own research. Also he was famous for being DTP's strategist. Debauchery Tea Party is not a guild, it's just a name of a group of ragtag and misfits that gets dragged around the place by one of their members. No one bothered to check that all the buildings has a price on it. And he had to raise the money to buy it. He tricked 3 of the most richest guilds into buying a simple patent. No, Log Horizon is not the Strongest. Compared to DDD and Black Sword Knights it's nothing. Log Horizon only has 4 level 90 Characters, with 4 mid 30 characters. No he did not learn a World Class Magic, He only made a contract on par with a World class magic. And that contract was made by experimenting his sub class. Much like when Michitaka made the Ocypete. So once again. Nope, not OP. Everyone can do the same thing, it's just no one was able to think that far ahead. |
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kuuurt said: >All they need is to think and come up with the idea. Sure, every lvl90 Scribe should have an idea about world-class magic because a world-class magic researcher "magically" appeared to them giving them knowledge necessary to present the fact the creating is plausible in their current world. Yep, he's definitely not OP in the sense of "I AM KIRITO, BITCH." but what I'm talking about is that it justhad to be an infamous Scribe of a once very very strong guild, who now owns the fucking guild hall, who pretty much has the upper-hand on all the guild leaders of the strongest guilds, and is now the leader of (probably) the strongest guild in the game. And he just had to learn of world-class magic. I'm not against characters that start out strong in the game, but I guess I just find this ridiculous, or should I say, "OP." Not OP, but absurdly smart (or should I say perceptive?). Someone who always thinks ahead of the game. Someone who has been the first one to figure out the various things. Shiroe is where he is now is exactly because of how he was always thinking ahead every time. Ahead and above everyone else. You probably think it seems so easy to understand because Shiroe explained it just that well. It's actually a very complicated concept to actually figure out without information. The knowledge that the world-class magic researcher game us is nothing compared to what Shiroe planned in this episode as that's just basic information. Shiroe simply used it as a base for a complicated math equation. Also note that scribes were very unpopular when it was still a game, so forget having a level 90 scribe class... we can assume that a very small number of people has this subclass in general. kuuurt said: I get that. What I found ridiculous was how the magic researcher appeared to him and thought him the concept of world-class magic, including the HP and MP shit. Why did he appear to Shiroe? Why didn't the researcher tell that to everyone? Hell, I don't know. But right now, without any reason to back up the whole "researcher appearing to him" part, I find it ridiculous. His class was the only class that was in the group there. I'm pretty sure Shiroe also asked himself this question in that episode: "Why did this researcher come to me?" |
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kuuurt said: Still, he owns the guild hall and he was part of a strong non-guild group of veteran players who own items amateurs couldn't get their hands on. Oh, and I didn't say he was the only lvl 90 character in the game. (Well, of course he isn't.) He earned that guild hall using his brain, can't blame him if no one else ever thought the buildings could be bought or maybe they knew, just that no one was crazy enough to think they could buy it. And yeah since he isn't the only lv90 in the game, that means there are plenty of fellow lv90s who had done high-level quests and earned rare items. Krusty also own a phoenix and both Naotsugu & Nyanta own griffons so Shiroe is hardly the only one. Can you really blame veteran MMORPG players for owning rare items that you don't have? kuuurt said: I get that. What I found ridiculous was how the magic researcher appeared to him and thought him the concept of world-class magic, including the HP and MP shit. Why did he appear to Shiroe? Why didn't the researcher tell that to everyone? Hell, I don't know. But right now, without any reason to back up the whole "researcher appearing to him" part, I find it ridiculous. Maybe because he's part of the Round Table contingent (and one of the leaders)? everyone else was busy with their own thing. Krusty was with Leynessia, Michitaka was with the nobles, and Shiroe with Akatsuki were the only ones who happened to be outside. Shiroe was already a famous (or infamous) adventurer to begin with or maybe the researcher just thought he is the smartest looking among the Round Table people and approached him. Shiroe also happened to be the only sorcerer among the contingent so he might have thought talking among your peers would be easier than to approach Krusty or Michitaka who'd be far more suspicious and less understanding than Shiroe. There could also be other reasons (remember how he smiled when Rundelhaus was changed into an adventurer), he could even be related with why the players were trapped into the game and seeing how the series isn't even complete (both anime and LN) we might get an explanation in due time. All I'm saying is it's unfair to judge Shiroe to be "OP" just because some dude approached him to discuss about the Elder Tale's world. This and that are totally different. In the first place, Shiroe wasn't even sure that his method was gonna work. What he did was no different than Nyanta's or Michitaka's experiment with their sub-class. Not to mention he also needed the rarest and highest quality materials to be able to conjure that kind of contract so it's not "him" all the way. |
MoeGodFeb 16, 2014 3:31 AM
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deenszx said: Woah, did you really not remember the part of the episode 14 when he questioned on why the scholar want to talk to him? It was because he is the archmage and a veteran player who he (scholar) though that as an important person who know something about what happen. Hmm I might have missed that XD so yeah at least there was an explanation. |
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| Krusty fighting the Darius R way >>>>> All |
| 5/5 And with some events of this episode, find their natural place. Plot to shake your wrists at times, so much so well thought out. Always engaging narrative, his two souls are fabulous! Episode valuable, I think that satisfied all users of the show! * _ * Drawings sin so simple, but at least animat well. I noticed along with Krusty the new characters, they seemed interesting. I think it got to this episode, you are not going to finish the story, I smell an upcoming season for the aforementioned anime series! Yay! |
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| Lenessia getting flustered by seeing Krusty's naked Torso This was great, the revival theory of Shiroe combined well with the game knowledge Casting the spell was impressive to see I didn't expect Rudy would become one of the adventurers and the Log Horizon guild Seeing Rudy waking up at the Cathedral and the statistic screen was touching, the rules has been rewritten I am afraid of the consequences now If anyone is following Sochi, has anyone noticed the bumper sounds like the soundtrack Log Horizon is using mostly for their previews? |
1lauFeb 16, 2014 4:36 AM
| I cant say that i m satisfied with this one. It took all the consequences away. If i get it right .... NOBODY DIES HERE!!! This got no weight at all, it a fluffy, easy thing to enjoy for everyone yay ... just like DBZ. If somebody dies, we get him back later you know with the balls. At least its explained, but that doesent make it better ... ... i had so much expectations, please dont f*** it up, we re so close to the end. |
| One of the best episodes so far. |
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solomon585858 said: As far as I recall that Tea Party's leader was a bitch who was frivolous and wasn't much of a leader. She left the Japanese server and joined some other server. So in one of future arcs the girl who admired her wants to take revenge of her. We don't need that bitch. That's all Opposite actually everybody in the tea party adored her and still do. |
Newhopes said: solomon585858 said: As far as I recall that Tea Party's leader was a bitch who was frivolous and wasn't much of a leader. She left the Japanese server and joined some other server. So in one of future arcs the girl who admired her wants to take revenge of her. We don't need that bitch. That's all Opposite actually everybody in the tea party adored her and still do. More info please, PM if it's too much spoilers. I really liked the concept of this episode,but I still find it really confusing. First, how in the world was Rudy allowed into the battle party anyway? They couldn't add him to the friend list, and yet they could party with him? If that was the case, then wouldn't everyone notice he was an NPC from the get-go? Second, I Shiroe's revival of Rudy is a crazy ability, but only works with a specific set of requirements: 1. The NPC has to die 2. The NPC's body apparently needs to be healed enough to hold it in place (so that he doesn't turn into bubbles) 3. Someone needs to use an extremely rare Zombie potion to revive said NPC for a limited time to sign a specifically made contract. 4. Said contract is written up by a lvl 90 scribe made of extremely rare items and worded in a way that promises eternal servitude to the Contractor. That said, I highly doubt too many people of the land would want to try for the adventurer subclass like that, it would mean Log horizon would be the largest guild in the entire world. Also, I highly doubt Rudy would suddenly attain humanization because he got a subclass ability of an adventurer, more likely than not he's still just an NPC with a special ability. Thirdly, I would love for someone to spoil me about the back story for the Tea Party. I get the feeling that Shiroe actually has really strong feelings for the girl in the flashback, and would love to know more about what happened to cause the Tea Party to split up (implied, since Naotsugu stopped playing for two years before the start of the anime). Wouldn't mind knowing more about what happens in the LN after the current Anime is suppose to end either. Anyone with LN knowledge please spoil me! :D Thanks in advance! |
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jiraiya_sensei said: deenszx said: Woah, did you really not remember the part of the episode 14 when he questioned on why the scholar want to talk to him? It was because he is the archmage and a veteran player who he (scholar) though that as an important person who know something about what happen. Hmm I might have missed that XD so yeah at least there was an explanation. I was going to say, Shiroe is really living up to his reputation as an Archmage! Regan also told him that he has existed in the world for something like 200 years (I can't remember the exact number), because the adventurers have had a presence as long as their avatars have existed in Game Time, which proceeds much more quickly than normal human time. It's only since the recent World Fraction/game expansion that their real human consciousness has been united with what were formerly their avatars. So for a 200 year old Archmage who is aware of world-class magic, a new spell or two is no big thing :) |
| holy shit what a good ep *_* i never would've predicted that so shiroe can basically change the rules of the game? my god |
| Epic episode. Crusty is really badass. Don't mess with people with glasses. Shiroe saved Rudy from death and changed his existence. Super badass. And the scene where Izusu gave Rudy a lecture and clouts was really hilarious. But I have the feeling that Shiroe changed something fundamental, Regan anticipated this and it has negative consequences. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Thirdly, I would love for someone to spoil me about the back story for the Tea Party. I get the feeling that Shiroe actually has really strong feelings for the girl in the flashback, and would love to know more about what happened to cause the Tea Party to split up (implied, since Naotsugu stopped playing for two years before the start of the anime). Wouldn't mind knowing more about what happens in the LN after the current Anime is suppose to end either. Anyone with LN knowledge please spoil me! :D Thanks in advance! |
| Awesome episode, the best one so far. So much unexpected happened. |
| Shiroe “Make a contract with me and become an Adventure” ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ |
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CodeST said: Shiroe “Make a contract with me and become an Adventure” ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ The difference with Madoka is that he made him a zombie first and then an adventurer and not the other way around. |
| "Now give me the paw" LOL BTW Shiroe is still a badass, his idea is just amazing, I think it will become a "World class spell", he can make the people of the land into adventurer, making them "immortal", if this isn't world changing.. Crusty was amazing, he wants the blood! I'm interested in his relationship with the princess. Hope it will develop. Need more Nyanta and Akatsuki QQ |
| They did a great job with the suspense around Rudy. Crusty's battle music was quite good as well. |
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Forgetfulness said: I'm wondering how this series will end; the main story looks like it could go on for quite a while The author said that he plans on writing 15 volumes, the most recently released one was volume 7. Episode 20 just finished adapting volume 4. |
| Finally caught up and I'm bummed out now that I have to wait a week like everyone else. I am thoroughly enjoying this anime more than I thought I would. I seriously like everything about this anime not one complaint from me! :) This was a great episode. What Shiroe did was awesome, making Rudy an adventurer? Did not see that coming, let alone think he could actually pull it off. This anime just continues to become more interesting. |
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