Subtitled/Subbed or English Dubbed anime (aka Subs vs. Dubs v2)

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Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Zeally said:
Everyone hates American VA's because they have a shit budget for a niche medium that is not well received in the West. Also foreign idioms and other cultural idiosyncrasies are difficult to translate and often sound awkward when voiced in English. In this case it isn't necessarily a bad dubbing but a language barrier. Even subs can sound awkward at times, but yea i don't want them to hear the awkwardness.

Native language + subs > dubs for any foreign medium

*shrugs*

without dubs anime will never stop being a niche medium.

I highly doubt anime in general will be generally accepted in the West, dubs or not. Cause let's be honest, there is "weird" stuff in a large amount of anime that you don't go around telling everybody you watch.
There are some anime that are more popular in the West, but I don't think those have as much :/

there were similar arguments against video games

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Jan 15, 2014 4:46 PM

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It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou

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mattbenz99 said:

Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Zeally said:
Everyone hates American VA's because they have a shit budget for a niche medium that is not well received in the West. Also foreign idioms and other cultural idiosyncrasies are difficult to translate and often sound awkward when voiced in English. In this case it isn't necessarily a bad dubbing but a language barrier. Even subs can sound awkward at times, but yea i don't want them to hear the awkwardness.

Native language + subs > dubs for any foreign medium

*shrugs*

without dubs anime will never stop being a niche medium.

I highly doubt anime in general will be generally accepted in the West, dubs or not. Cause let's be honest, there is "weird" stuff in a large amount of anime that you don't go around telling everybody you watch.
There are some anime that are more popular in the West, but I don't think those have as much :/

there were similar arguments against video games

video games=/=anime

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Jan 15, 2014 4:53 PM

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Jan 15, 2014 4:53 PM

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Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Zeally said:
Everyone hates American VA's because they have a shit budget for a niche medium that is not well received in the West. Also foreign idioms and other cultural idiosyncrasies are difficult to translate and often sound awkward when voiced in English. In this case it isn't necessarily a bad dubbing but a language barrier. Even subs can sound awkward at times, but yea i don't want them to hear the awkwardness.

Native language + subs > dubs for any foreign medium

*shrugs*

without dubs anime will never stop being a niche medium.

I highly doubt anime in general will be generally accepted in the West, dubs or not. Cause let's be honest, there is "weird" stuff in a large amount of anime that you don't go around telling everybody you watch.
There are some anime that are more popular in the West, but I don't think those have as much :/

there were similar arguments against video games

I don't play video games, do you find lolis, wincest, panty shots, falling onto people's boobs, etc. or something similar in video games?

I think not...

don't forget this

Jan 15, 2014 4:53 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:

mattbenz99 said:

Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Zeally said:
Everyone hates American VA's because they have a shit budget for a niche medium that is not well received in the West. Also foreign idioms and other cultural idiosyncrasies are difficult to translate and often sound awkward when voiced in English. In this case it isn't necessarily a bad dubbing but a language barrier. Even subs can sound awkward at times, but yea i don't want them to hear the awkwardness.

Native language + subs > dubs for any foreign medium

*shrugs*

without dubs anime will never stop being a niche medium.

I highly doubt anime in general will be generally accepted in the West, dubs or not. Cause let's be honest, there is "weird" stuff in a large amount of anime that you don't go around telling everybody you watch.
There are some anime that are more popular in the West, but I don't think those have as much :/

there were similar arguments against video games

video games=/=anime

anime is still a part of "nerd" culture in the west just like video games.

Just because you know how to use a torrent does not give you the god given right to pirate.

My actual list: https://kitsu.io/users/mattbenz99/library

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Jan 15, 2014 4:55 PM

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90% of the time I watch anime subbed.

The exceptions are things like DBZ, Code Geass, Death Note, and Cowboy Bebop.

Those few animes have an amazing voice cast that I felt fit the characters better than the originals did. (Especially in DBZ... cant stand goku's Japanese voice.)

Usually though, the dubs are bad, not always that the voice actors suck, but moreover that they don't fit the character at all. Gurren Lagann is an example, in Japanese, Kamina sounds like a badass guy, in English, not so much...

Jan 15, 2014 4:55 PM

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Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Zeally said:
Everyone hates American VA's because they have a shit budget for a niche medium that is not well received in the West. Also foreign idioms and other cultural idiosyncrasies are difficult to translate and often sound awkward when voiced in English. In this case it isn't necessarily a bad dubbing but a language barrier. Even subs can sound awkward at times, but yea i don't want them to hear the awkwardness.

Native language + subs > dubs for any foreign medium

*shrugs*

without dubs anime will never stop being a niche medium.

I highly doubt anime in general will be generally accepted in the West, dubs or not. Cause let's be honest, there is "weird" stuff in a large amount of anime that you don't go around telling everybody you watch.
There are some anime that are more popular in the West, but I don't think those have as much :/

there were similar arguments against video games

I don't play video games, do you find lolis, wincest, panty shots, falling onto people's boobs, etc. or something similar in video games?

I think not...

some japanese games which have a couple of those things make it popular here and besides just like not all video games are popular not all types of anime will be popular.

Just because you know how to use a torrent does not give you the god given right to pirate.

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Jan 15, 2014 4:56 PM

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Because dubs can be reeeeeally iffy.

But there are some really good dubs out there despite what the sub-only people say.

Shows like High School of the Dead, Baccano!, and Black Lagoon wouldn't have been the same without their dubs.

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Jan 15, 2014 4:58 PM

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You're not a real anime enthusiast unless you take both subs and dubs into account when observing an anime. I always do comparisons when viewing a show.

Also, I have a rule to watch a dub over subs if it has Crispin Freeman playing a lead role.

Jan 15, 2014 5:01 PM

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mattbenz99 said:
anime is still a part of "nerd" culture in the west just like video games.

But the amount of culture involved is way different.

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Jan 15, 2014 5:01 PM

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_wecc said:

Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Zeally said:
Everyone hates American VA's because they have a shit budget for a niche medium that is not well received in the West. Also foreign idioms and other cultural idiosyncrasies are difficult to translate and often sound awkward when voiced in English. In this case it isn't necessarily a bad dubbing but a language barrier. Even subs can sound awkward at times, but yea i don't want them to hear the awkwardness.

Native language + subs > dubs for any foreign medium

*shrugs*

without dubs anime will never stop being a niche medium.

I highly doubt anime in general will be generally accepted in the West, dubs or not. Cause let's be honest, there is "weird" stuff in a large amount of anime that you don't go around telling everybody you watch.
There are some anime that are more popular in the West, but I don't think those have as much :/

there were similar arguments against video games

I don't play video games, do you find lolis, wincest, panty shots, falling onto people's boobs, etc. or something similar in video games?

I think not...

don't forget this

what was the point of that scene again?

Just because you know how to use a torrent does not give you the god given right to pirate.

My actual list: https://kitsu.io/users/mattbenz99/library

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Jan 15, 2014 5:02 PM

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It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou

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IntroverTurtle said:

mattbenz99 said:
anime is still a part of "nerd" culture in the west just like video games.

But the amount of culture involved is way different.

i dont understand what you mean

Just because you know how to use a torrent does not give you the god given right to pirate.

My actual list: https://kitsu.io/users/mattbenz99/library

check out my youtube channel for my review: https://www.youtube.com/user/mattbenz99

Jan 15, 2014 5:03 PM

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DramaEnthusiast said:
You're not a real anime enthusiast unless you take both subs and dubs into account when observing an anime. I always do comparisons when viewing a show.

An anime enthusiast is someone who likes anime.

Nobody gives a fuck if you like subs or dubs

Jan 15, 2014 5:04 PM

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mattbenz99 said:

_wecc said:

Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Forgetfulness said:

mattbenz99 said:

Zeally said:
Everyone hates American VA's because they have a shit budget for a niche medium that is not well received in the West. Also foreign idioms and other cultural idiosyncrasies are difficult to translate and often sound awkward when voiced in English. In this case it isn't necessarily a bad dubbing but a language barrier. Even subs can sound awkward at times, but yea i don't want them to hear the awkwardness.

Native language + subs > dubs for any foreign medium

*shrugs*

without dubs anime will never stop being a niche medium.

I highly doubt anime in general will be generally accepted in the West, dubs or not. Cause let's be honest, there is "weird" stuff in a large amount of anime that you don't go around telling everybody you watch.
There are some anime that are more popular in the West, but I don't think those have as much :/

there were similar arguments against video games

I don't play video games, do you find lolis, wincest, panty shots, falling onto people's boobs, etc. or something similar in video games?

I think not...

don't forget this

what was the point of that scene again?

Jan 15, 2014 5:06 PM

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DramaEnthusiast said:

Also, I have a rule to watch a dub over subs if it has Crispin Freeman playing a lead role.

I agree with this.

It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou

Jan 15, 2014 5:08 PM

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mattbenz99 said:

IntroverTurtle said:

mattbenz99 said:
anime is still a part of "nerd" culture in the west just like video games.

But the amount of culture involved is way different.

i dont understand what you mean

Video game culture and anime culture is different. Video games span different countries and the ones that have spread are mostly family games and JRPGs right? Visual novels with cute girls and H scenes aren't mainstream in America. The spikey hair, big sword guys that kill demons are. The amount of culture and the nicheness of it is way more apparent in anime, thus it would be harder to spread it.

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Jan 15, 2014 5:11 PM

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_wecc said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Also, I have a rule to watch a dub over subs if it has Crispin Freeman playing a lead role.

I agree with this.

Ignoring that troll above you. Yeah, Crispin Freeman is really the number one reason to ever see a dub. From his narrating as Kyon to being Alucard, it just doesn't get any better.

Dubs and original audio are equal in most instances these days, but people are too blind to see it because they're idiots. Aint nothing more cringeworthy than some fucking faggot going "subs for life."

Jan 15, 2014 5:11 PM

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Forgetfulness said:

I guess you're right about the generalizing all anime part. Well I know there are a few anime that are more popular in the West but I think a lot of people have this "it's a cartoon so it's childish" or "it's hentai" mentality that will prevent anime from ever becoming as acceptable as other mediums. I dunno though...

again many people did think video games are only for kids and many people still do (i have actually talked to people who thought that GTA5 was targeted at kids). this is an assumption by a public that doesnt know better and will change as time moves forward and people who believe that it is for kids either try it out for themselves or have someone explain what it really is just like what happened with video games

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Jan 15, 2014 5:12 PM

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JD2411 said:
An anime enthusiast is someone who likes anime.

What ?!?

It can't be that obvious xD

Jan 15, 2014 5:15 PM

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Forgetfulness said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

_wecc said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Also, I have a rule to watch a dub over subs if it has Crispin Freeman playing a lead role.

I agree with this.

Ignoring that troll above you. Yeah, Crispin Freeman is really the number one reason to ever see a dub. From his narrating as Kyon to being Alucard, it just doesn't get any better.

Dubs and original audio are equal in most instances these days, but people are too blind to see it because they're idiots. Aint nothing more cringeworthy than some fucking faggot going "subs for life."

Right, because watching dubs are necessary to enjoy an anime...so much troll, obviously. 10/10 brilliance once again, DramaEnthusiast

Are you a Japanese viewer? If not, by just casting aside a dub for being a dub you're not only missing out on enjoyment of quality voice acting, you're being a weeaboo.

Why did I respond to this kid lmao.

Jan 15, 2014 5:16 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:

mattbenz99 said:

IntroverTurtle said:

mattbenz99 said:
anime is still a part of "nerd" culture in the west just like video games.

But the amount of culture involved is way different.

i dont understand what you mean

Video game culture and anime culture is different. Video games span different countries and the ones that have spread are mostly family games and JRPGs right? Visual novels with cute girls and H scenes aren't mainstream in America. The spikey hair, big sword guys that kill demons are. The amount of culture and the nicheness of it is way more apparent in anime, thus it would be harder to spread it.

yes but anime also has emo spiked haired kids fighting demons. it is called all large portion of the shonen genre. again i never said all types of anime will become mainstream but parts of anime will certainly become much more mainstream in the future. i mean the attack on titan manga had some of its volumes on the best sellers list during the summer. the weird stuff will probably stay in obscurity but i am sure that at least part of anime can make it into mainstream

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Jan 15, 2014 5:17 PM

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DramaEnthusiast said:

Why did I respond to this kid lmao.

Holy shit you could't have sounded more like a stereotypical internet troll if you tried.

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Jan 15, 2014 5:23 PM

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Because a lot of the time the english voices don't match the characters.

Jan 15, 2014 5:23 PM

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Because muh japanese.

There are valid reasons for hating some dubs and preferring subs but hating ALL dubs is just retarded. The Berserk and Guin Saga outtakes are also pretty fucking hilarious.

Jan 15, 2014 5:24 PM

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NaruFreak26 said:
Because a lot of the time the english voices don't match the characters.

Define a lot of the time. Sounds really biased when you generalize like this.

Jan 15, 2014 5:24 PM

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LOL so many of these dub VS sub threads.

Anyway, I'm open to both. Some series have dubs that are nothing short of amazing.

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Jan 15, 2014 5:25 PM

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DramaEnthusiast said:

Are you a Japanese viewer? If not, by just casting aside a dub for being a dub you're not only missing out on enjoyment of quality voice acting, you're being a weeaboo.

Do you know what weeaboo means?

Jan 15, 2014 5:27 PM

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Cupquake said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Are you a Japanese viewer? If not, by just casting aside a dub for being a dub you're not only missing out on enjoyment of quality voice acting, you're being a weeaboo.

Do you know what weeaboo means?

someone who wishes they are japanese if i am not mistaken

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Jan 15, 2014 5:27 PM

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Exaccus said:
LOL so many of these dub VS sub threads.

Anyway, I'm open to both. Some series have dubs that are nothing short of amazing.

Correction: Most dubs since 2006 have been amazing.

People don't seem to understand what makes a bad dub is if the voice actors cannot portray the character in question right due to personality quirks (Yuno Gasai), or if the lip syncing is off.

If you really want to see a dub that does both of these, go see Higurashi's dub.

Jan 15, 2014 5:33 PM

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johnyjohny said:
Cuz Japanese people put much more work in there voice acting. I don't necessarily dislike dubs. I used to prefer dubs actually. But as you what more subs you notice it is better 99 of the 100 times.

This.

Jan 15, 2014 5:35 PM

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mattbenz99 said:

Cupquake said:

DramaEnthusiast said:

Are you a Japanese viewer? If not, by just casting aside a dub for being a dub you're not only missing out on enjoyment of quality voice acting, you're being a weeaboo.

Do you know what weeaboo means?

someone who wishes they are japanese if i am not mistaken

Right, then people who call people who like subs "weaboos" are just morons. What does liking subs more than dubs have to do with being a weaboo? Does that mean you liking dubs more than subs make you a, fuck I dunno the Western alternative for weaboo.

Jan 15, 2014 5:35 PM

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mattbenz99 said:

IntroverTurtle said:

mattbenz99 said:

IntroverTurtle said:

mattbenz99 said:
anime is still a part of "nerd" culture in the west just like video games.

But the amount of culture involved is way different.

i dont understand what you mean

Video game culture and anime culture is different. Video games span different countries and the ones that have spread are mostly family games and JRPGs right? Visual novels with cute girls and H scenes aren't mainstream in America. The spikey hair, big sword guys that kill demons are. The amount of culture and the nicheness of it is way more apparent in anime, thus it would be harder to spread it.

yes but anime also has emo spiked haired kids fighting demons. it is called all large portion of the shonen genre. again i never said all types of anime will become mainstream but parts of anime will certainly become much more mainstream in the future. i mean the attack on titan manga had some of its volumes on the best sellers list during the summer. the weird stuff will probably stay in obscurity but i am sure that at least part of anime can make it into mainstream

99% of anime aren't shounen though(or actually what you see as shounen). I don't think you can call 1% of anime being accepted as anime being accepted.

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Jan 15, 2014 5:40 PM

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