Sword Art Online Episode 18 Discussion

HibiChouchou said:


I just used it as an example. But as you can see in SAO, Lyfa was only interested in Kirito at first, she doesn't love him instantly and neither is Kirito, unlike sukitte.

After spend quite a time traveling together, she would fall for Kirito, and that's called the development progress, not kissing first then love without any reasonable reasons.

SetsukoHara said:


Reasonable reasons for falling in love? You've probably never been in love with someone considering the way you try to rationalize it.

And there was also a progression in the relationship in Sukitte. Mei didn't fall in love after the first kiss. So I don't know where your criticism is coming from.

ZetaZaku said:
Dumb slut, became a renegade for a guy she just met. Standard quality for harems I guess. Harems don't need legit romances.

Junchi said:


Fix'd it for good's sake.

HibiChouchou said:
Mei didn't, but the other guy is. There was no progression in Sukitte when they first became a couple. Watch the episode 2, Mei stalked him then he forced kissed her, against her will. Then she fall in love with him. Victim fall in love with the culprit, just change forced kiss = raep and it wouldn't loose any meaning. (and the progression you spoke of, they were stalking, kissing with a few encounters at school, wonderful progression, aren't they? )

Then after that, they acted like a lovey dovey couple. And the boy was just stick to the girl, like a shadow, I don't know where the FK did his feelings come from. Oh obviously it was from a kick, as explained in episode 3.
Overall it is jut a fantasy shoujo fiction. When a white knight comes to save a girl. And why do all the male protagonist in shoujo have to be hot boy? Cause a normal boy wouldn't do justice, it wouldn't attract fangirls.

In Tonari, Haru isn't a hot boy, he's a weirdo. Pp start to recognize him thanks to Shizuku, and only Shizuku is the one who understands him the best.

Sukitte is just shallow. Oh you're butthurt cause I criticized a show you like. Deal with it.

SetsukoHara said:


LOL, I stopped at: "change forced kiss = raep" cause yeah! It's definitely the same thing. Well, i won't derail this thread any further, so if you want to get your ass kicked; just copy paste your post in the Sukitte section, and I would gladly destroy your argumentary.But saying that Haru in Tonari isn't hot is completely laughable, so many girls were falling for him when he stopped acting like a weirdo for a little while, and just in the most recent episode, a group of random girls talked about how cool he was.

SetsukoHara said:


LOL, I stopped at: "change forced kiss = raep" cause yeah! It's definitely the same thing. Well, i won't derail this thread any further, so if you want to get your ass kicked; just copy paste your post in the Sukitte section, and I would gladly destroy your argumentary.But saying that Haru in Tonari isn't hot is completely laughable, so many girls were falling for him when he stopped acting like a weirdo for a little while, and just in the most recent episode, a group of random girls talked about how cool he was.



No, I just don't like how you criticised Sukitte for bad writing, and then use it as an example to defend an an anime you like. And lol at you calling me butthurt when you are one of the most dedicated defender of SAO.

But saying that Haru in Tonari isn't hot is completely laughable, so many girls were falling for him when he stopped acting like a weirdo for a little while, and just in the most recent episode, a group of random girls talked about how cool he was.

HibiChouchou said:
Yes, it's the same thing, he could be sued for sexual harassment/ assault.

Oh LOL, when did I ever say I like SAO? No I don't like SAO, but I don't hate it either. It's a so so, normal, average ani for me. Haha I defended SAO? I don't think so bro. I just pointed out some silly things that haters/fan boi commented on.

Obviously you're being butthurt.

SetsukoHara said:

Guess what, he wasn't. If he raped her, the outcome would be totally different. So no, it's not the same thing.


I'm not a big fan of Sukitte either, but if I defend it; it's because I think there is more good than bad in it. And I really don't think you would defend it the way you did if you didn't enjoy it a little bit cause let's be honest here, I've never seen you defending a SAO hater. Or is it because SAO fans never made any silly comment.

SetsukoHara said:

Guess what, he wasn't. If he raped her, the outcome would be totally different. So no, it's not the same thing.


I'm not a big fan of Sukitte either, but if I defend it; it's because I think there is more good than bad in it. And I really don't think you would defend it the way you did if you didn't enjoy it a little bit cause let's be honest here, I've never seen you defending a SAO hater. Or is it because SAO fans never made any silly comment.

ssjokg said:

You cant say that we have never said that SAO has something bad or that we only "attack" SAO haters.Like there are many SAO blind haters there also are many SAO blind fans.And I am not talking about the fans that give it a 10 just for being an anime adaption of their fav LN.I am talking about those that find every ep of every week "the best ep so far" while they dont even get what happened during that ep.

Also defending a SAO hater in what exactly?That one "plothole" that we saw in ALO arc was never questioned by a hater.They only pick stuff they CAN complain about.

Till now the only thing they can have against SAO is Asuna's power of love.Everything else are complaints because they expected more from a hyped series.You wouldnt see most of them if SAO wasnt so hyped.Why people still start any series with high expectations is beyond me.

BloodRequiem said:

People started with high expectations because of all the advertising and hype by the LN fans. I guess people just didn't learn from the Guilty Crown fiasco.

ssjokg said:

I didnt even know SAO until I saw the promos.Yeah I saw how hyped it was but I didnt raise my expectations.Also all the advertising is because of the producers and the money they put on it ,not the hype by the LN fans.EVERY LN,VN or manga is the best according to its fans.

BloodRequiem said:


I had bad wording. I meant all the promotion posters etc. I should have put advertising and fan hype separately.

Nidhoeggr said:
Is it wrong to laugh at guys like HibiChouchou, whatever, etc. when they say they aren't fanboys?
Because the whole argumentation on the past few sites is hilarious.

Anyway, it's interesting to see how a lot of accounts got made during the fall season that only seem to lurk the SAO subforums - at least I don't see them in any other forum. Shamed be he who thinks evil of it.

Nidhoeggr said:
Is it wrong to laugh at guys like HibiChouchou, whatever, etc. when they say they aren't fanboys?
Because the whole argumentation on the past few sites is hilarious.

Anyway, it's interesting to see how a lot of accounts got made during the fall season that only seem to lurk the SAO subforums - at least I don't see them in any other forum. Shamed be he who thinks evil of it.

BloodRequiem said:

It's wrong to laugh at other people because you never know, your kids could be born like them...

Nidhoeggr said:


I doubt they will end up like this. I believe in myself and my fiancee.
And they sure as hell will not get unlimited internet access like all the preteens in this forum...

Kiraly said:


Nah, it's genuinely popular (for the same reasons Twilight is). Have you seen those sales?

Teens like wish fulfillment, edgy teens like wish fulfillment that doesn't seem such at first glance and for once isn't marketed as 'romantic comedy'.

ssjokg said:

So,once again the only ones that like SAO are awkward teenagers that want to be like Kirito or Asuna?
Is it wrong to laugh at people like you?

ssjokg said:

You cant say that we have never said that SAO has something bad or that we only "attack" SAO haters.Like there are many SAO blind haters there also are many SAO blind fans.And I am not talking about the fans that give it a 10 just for being an anime adaption of their fav LN.I am talking about those that find every ep of every week "the best ep so far" while they dont even get what happened during that ep.

Also defending a SAO hater in what exactly?That one "plothole" that we saw in ALO arc was never questioned by a hater.They only pick stuff they CAN complain about.

Till now the only thing they can have against SAO is Asuna's power of love.Everything else are complaints because they expected more from a hyped series.You wouldnt see most of them if SAO wasnt so hyped.Why people still start any series with high expectations is beyond me.

ShiroX said:


you make it sound like people actively choose to have certain expectations of certain series
it's just something that happens
also, the anime basically hyped itself up (if that makes any makes), and a show that tries to be great, but fails at that is worse than a mediocre one that gives you exactly what it says on the tin ...probably

and I would consider Asuna's "power of love" a plothole
you might call it stupid if you want, but it doesn't really contradict any established rules (I think)

ShiroX said:


you make it sound like people actively choose to have certain expectations of certain series
it's just something that happens
also, the anime basically hyped itself up (if that makes any makes), and a show that tries to be great, but fails at that is worse than a mediocre one that gives you exactly what it says on the tin ...probably

and I would consider Asuna's "power of love" a plothole
you might call it stupid if you want, but it doesn't really contradict any established rules (I think)

ssjokg said:

So is it or not?That scene is the only one that I (or anyone else) as a LN reader cant explain .So it is a plothole.And yes the power of love/friendship is something that irritates me in any series, after watching the first 200 eps of Naruto, but it wont stop me from enjoying the rest of the series.

Nidhoeggr said:
Is it wrong to laugh at guys like HibiChouchou, whatever, etc. when they say they aren't fanboys?
Because the whole argumentation on the past few sites is hilarious.

Anyway, it's interesting to see how a lot of accounts got made during the fall season that only seem to lurk the SAO subforums - at least I don't see them in any other forum. Shamed be he who thinks evil of it.

Nidhoeggr said:


I doubt they will end up like this. I believe in myself and my fiancee.
And they sure as hell will not get unlimited internet access like all the preteens in this forum...

xuezhi said:


If the power of love/friendship or "bonds" is a plot hole then it has made a lot of series full of plot holes. It isn't just Naruto, there are so many series that use this power of bonds. DB used it, Bleach uses it, FT uses it, Yu-Gi-Oh uses it, and a lot more. So, since a lot of authors/producers use it I would say it isn't really much of a plot hole as much as it is overused. This is something you have to just put in the "just accept it" column and don't question it IMO.

annparra said:
This may sounds stupid and I'm lazy to read the other pages, but... Does Suguha knows Kirito is his cousin in real life?

PhantomEX said:
This has been bothering me for so long..but why did she chuckle when she saw Kirito's sword?

Amberleh said:
just when I thought this show couldn't get more sexist within it's own parameters, it did.

Every single female in this series is treated by the creators as either a plot device or an object. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. I wouldn't care if it was one, or two, even three I could live with- But it's EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Our female characters don't even have female friends that they hang out with, and if they do, that friend falls in love with Kirito. Who writes this crap? This is even worse than many harem series.

symbv said:
EVERY.SINGLE.ONE of the male characters are either a plot device or an object too if you think about it -- including Kirito. I guess this makes the show sexist to males too. But I also guess this is why SAO and Kirito are so popular with female fans.

Amberleh said:
Wrong. There are a LOT of male characters that appear on screen, and VERY few female characters.

Amberleh said:


Wrong. There are a LOT of male characters that appear on screen, and VERY few female characters. You also have characters like that dude with pink hair and the dark skinned fellow who actually are just his friends. They do some important things in the series, but they are his friends as opposed to objects/plot devices.

SAO is also far more popular among males than females because it's a harem series. It's not even a pseudo-harem at this point- It's just a harem.

Amberleh said:
Wrong. There are a LOT of male characters that appear on screen, and VERY few female characters. You also have characters like that dude with pink hair and the dark skinned fellow who actually are just his friends. They do some important things in the series, but they are his friends as opposed to objects/plot devices.

Amberleh said:

SAO is also far more popular among males than females because it's a harem series. It's not even a pseudo-harem at this point- It's just a harem.

RockerXD said:


Well the world they are in IS a game, and female gamers are rare.

Amberleh said:
And to the poster above me- I'm not talking about the light novels. I haven't read them and don't care to. I'm talking about the anime, which IS a harem.

Amberleh said:


I am fully aware of that as I AM one of these. Which is why it bothers me- You never even see a female in the background of the game. Every single one is brought to the forefront of the screen and then falls in love with our Gary Sue.

The only constant female (up until the incestuous fanservice cousin) is Asuna. Every other female falls in love with our character and then dissappears NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN in the series with the exception of the flashbacks to the one girl.

There's also the manner in which female gamers are portrayed- they're weak and scared and have to be protected. GUESS WHAT- Female Gamers are still GAMERS. If we were scared girly girls we wouldn't be playing video games, now would we? The only one who is semi-accurrate is the evil chick who tries to get them all killed in that one episode. Asuna is okay later on and I do like that she says "I'll protect you too", but no other female is like that. And again, you don't even see girls in the background. Female gamers are 'rare', but not THAT rare.

And don't even get me started on the arc where the husband killed his wife because he stopped being subserviant- They really, REALLY downplayed that. That episode was just so offensive that I laughed for like 5 minutes after watching it.
And to the poster above me- I'm not talking about the light novels. I haven't read them and don't care to. I'm talking about the anime, which IS a harem.

Also, ahahaha, what do you mean sophisticated? How does liking this series about a video game make them sophisticated? That's like saying "GIRLS WHO LIKE BLEACH AND NARUTO ARE SOPHISTICATED". I'm not saying they aren't, but I don't see what liking this series has to do with being sophisticated.

symbv said:
What I said still applies, female fans are not few at all for the anime. As for whether it is a harem, well Ranma 1/2 and Maison Ikkoku can also be called a harem too I guess. At the end it is just a matter of how strong the harem component that matters. I do not think harem in SAO is as strong as many of the so-called "harem shows".

Woah, where did you get that sophisticated argument from, i can see where you are coming from but I'm not here to start a debate.

Amberleh said:
Ranma 1/2 and Maison Ikkoku ARE harems and i don't think miss Rumiko Takahashi would even disagree with that. She happens to be a female who writes shounen/seinen series because there are more male anime fans than female anime fans, so she probably grew up reading shounen series and was influenced by them. Especially during her childhood shoujo/josei were very rare.

Amberleh said:

Also, ahahaha, what do you mean sophisticated? How does liking this series about a video game make them sophisticated? That's like saying "GIRLS WHO LIKE BLEACH AND NARUTO ARE SOPHISTICATED". I'm not saying they aren't, but I don't see what liking this series has to do with being sophisticated.