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After finishing the third episode. My answer is: NO!

Oct 21, 2012 1:41 PM

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Takana_no_Hana said:
The name of this thread was the thing I complained when it first aired(and even in the second episode thread, but I thought I was the only one who felt that way), perhaps most people will notice this until now.

But actually it does get better after 3rd episode(just finished it while ago). Either way,

meepsheep said:
Right now, yes. The only character with some depth is Mei. Everyone else is either a sex-hungry boy, an airhead or a hot playboy.

I might change my vote later on if it gets better.

zeroryoko1974 said:
It's shoujo, of course they are shallow

Hey. Don't generalize shoujo anime. >:/

Many shoujo are complicated and characters have more depth than Sukitte, don't sum them as one if you lack of knowledge.

Let's give it a few episode. But the show doesn't deserve to get 8.0 ...

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Oct 21, 2012 2:05 PM

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meepsheep said:
Right now, yes.

Oct 21, 2012 4:17 PM

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Compared to what? Some other characters?
It's been only 3 eps anyways.

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Oct 21, 2012 4:23 PM

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Shallow, not sure, but generic, yes.
The unpopular female loner.
The popular bishi boy.
The bitches who bother the female when they see she's close to the boy.
That stuff.

Oct 21, 2012 5:57 PM

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I don't think their shallow, but their teenagers, so even if they were..its a pretty common trait among teenagers. Also, there haven't been enough episodes to decide something like that.

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Oct 21, 2012 7:23 PM

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SetsukoHara said:
After finishing the third episode. My answer is: NO!

What the fuck? The third episode was the epitome of shallow.

This shoujo is pretty bad so far, the story is alright and the art is good. But the characters are some of the worst I've ever seen.

Oct 22, 2012 6:08 AM

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Mappek said:

SetsukoHara said:
After finishing the third episode. My answer is: NO!

What the fuck? The third episode was the epitome of shallow.

This shoujo is pretty bad so far, the story is alright and the art is good. But the characters are some of the worst I've ever seen.

Care to elaborate more on that? Because the third episode had more characterization than the first two. We finally get to know more about Yamato, and why he fell in love with Mei. Also Aiko got some development, and her story was more compelling and well-thought that the story of this girl who felt bad because some people were mocking her big breasts.

How you call this episode the epitome of shallow when this other 2 episode didn't have as much characterization and depth is really laughable.

Oct 22, 2012 6:59 AM

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Generic? Definitely. Shallow? Not so much that I would define them as shallow. I'd say it's borderline.

I'm a douche. Deal with it.

Oct 22, 2012 11:10 AM

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People are prejudice against shoujo obviously, that's why they insist this is that bad, even though shounen is just another side of the same coin.

Oct 22, 2012 6:55 PM

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On par with the characters in SAO.

Here we go again...

Some people simply don't let things go....make those comments in the SAO forum its not that hard.

He answered you his opinion, shouldn't you thank him instead?
Or are you just offended 'cause you like SAO, and it really does have shallow characters?

Oct 22, 2012 8:43 PM

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iLove3P said:

InfiniteDestiny said:

Edefrem said:

CriticalReviewer said:
On par with the characters in SAO.

Here we go again...

Some people simply don't let things go....make those comments in the SAO forum its not that hard.

He answered you his opinion, shouldn't you thank him instead?
Or are you just offended 'cause you like SAO, and it really does have shallow characters?

Just like his statement yours is nothing but an opinion which you are completely entitled to, idc if you dislike SAO, i just don't want to hear about it on every single freaken forum, its worse that the hate/criticism whatever you want to call it is worse than the freaken Guilty Crown forum was, and thats saying something (whether its deserved or not isn't even the point).

Oct 22, 2012 9:19 PM

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CriticalReviewer said:
On par with the characters in SAO.

+1.

Hilarious example.

Oct 22, 2012 9:20 PM

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People are prejudice against shoujo obviously, that's why they insist this is that bad, even though shounen is just another side of the same coin.

LoL no, have you seen Tonari this season? It's a shoujo but it receives a lot of positive comments, unlike Sukitte. Kimi ni Todoke is also a good example of a success shoujo anime.

Yes the characters are shallow, although it got better in episode 3, but it's not enough to compensate with the shallow developments it portrayed throughout 2 previous episode.

Takes time reading through episode 2 thread and you will find most of comment described the show as being shallow.

Hmm Okay, my top favorite romance anime this season are Tonari and Sakurasou, sukitte could have a chance of being in my fav romance list this season but it soon disappointed me.

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meepsheep said:
Right now, yes. The only character with some depth is Mei. Everyone else is either a sex-hungry boy, an airhead or a hot playboy.

I might change my vote later on if it gets better.

zeroryoko1974 said:
It's shoujo, of course they are shallow

Hey. Don't generalize shoujo anime. >:/

I agree with meepsheep.

Shoujo is awesome. >:< Stop insulting it.

The manga is ranked one of the top of this year, and it's really good. So if you read that, you'll understand why it's good.

Oct 22, 2012 11:31 PM

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As much as I hate SAO with the burning passion of a million white hot suns, the SAO bashing in non-SAO forums is getting annoying. We get it, the show is terribad and has a bland protagonist. I'm trying to forget this show exists (Tsukihime syndrome), and people bashing the show keeps reminding me that it exists. So no more bashing and more forgetting its existence :)

On-topic: The characters aren't that shallow, but a bit cliche especially Yamato. I do like Mei's character, she reminds me of Shizuku in Tonari but more reserved not surprising since she has more personal issues than Shizuku, but both strangely had incidents with dead bunnies...still I'm really enjoying these shoujo series especially Tonari: now that's a show to start my week!

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zeroryoko1974 said:
It's shoujo, of course they are shallow

go and read Joou no Hana, Last Game, Kimi no Sei, Ao Haru Ride, Orange and Sekai no Hate and tell me its shallow.

Honestly, please stop being prejudiced. As if shonen is the epitome of awesome! Just like good shoujo, we have good shounen and vice versa.

And chillax people, its only the third episode! Ive read the manga and it gets much better!

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SetsukoHara said:

Mappek said:

SetsukoHara said:
After finishing the third episode. My answer is: NO!

What the fuck? The third episode was the epitome of shallow.

This shoujo is pretty bad so far, the story is alright and the art is good. But the characters are some of the worst I've ever seen.

Care to elaborate more on that? Because the third episode had more characterization than the first two. We finally get to know more about Yamato, and why he fell in love with Mei. Also Aiko got some development, and her story was more compelling and well-thought that the story of this girl who felt bad because some people were mocking her big breasts.

How you call this episode the epitome of shallow when this other 2 episode didn't have as much characterization and depth is really laughable.

I was referring to the new girl.
Cause to me it seemed like she was focused on a little bit too much during the episode.
Her personality is just shallow. If you can honestly tell me that she isn't shallow, then I think you need to re-watch the third episode.

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SetsukoHara said:

Care to elaborate more on that? Because the third episode had more characterization than the first two. We finally get to know more about Yamato, and why he fell in love with Mei. Also Aiko got some development, and her story was more compelling and well-thought that the story of this girl who felt bad because some people were mocking her big breasts.

How you call this episode the epitome of shallow when this other 2 episode didn't have as much characterization and depth is really laughable.

Because the other 2 episode didn't have as much characterization and depth, but there we go, the confession and kissing stuff even though there were no character development, It was really laughable, and shallow characters.

Oct 23, 2012 3:42 PM

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SetsukoHara said:

Care to elaborate more on that? Because the third episode had more characterization than the first two. We finally get to know more about Yamato, and why he fell in love with Mei. Also Aiko got some development, and her story was more compelling and well-thought that the story of this girl who felt bad because some people were mocking her big breasts.

How you call this episode the epitome of shallow when this other 2 episode didn't have as much characterization and depth is really laughable.

Because the other 2 episode didn't have as much characterization and depth, but there we go, the confession and kissing stuff even though there were no character development, It was really laughable, and shallow characters.

Now that we know a lot more about Yamato, I think the 2 first episodes make perfect sense.

Oct 23, 2012 5:43 PM

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SetsukoHara said:

Now that we know a lot more about Yamato, I think the 2 first episodes make perfect sense.

Perfect sense = 2 day of knowing Mei, kissing on the first day, and forcefully kissed Mei on the next day. Kisses first, love later, oh wut he told us he loved her on the second day, perfect sense. It's mediocre and shallow as its best.

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HibiChouchou said:

SetsukoHara said:

Now that we know a lot more about Yamato, I think the 2 first episodes make perfect sense.

Perfect sense = 2 day of knowing Mei, kissing on the first day, and forcefully kissed Mei on the next day. Kisses first, love later, oh wut he told us he loved her on the second day, perfect sense. It's mediocre and shallow as its best.

It is not kisses first and love later. He already loved her. Have you heard of the expression love at first sight, here, it was love at first kick. He explained the reason why he fell in love in episode 3. It's probably not the deepest reason I've seen, but I wouldn't call them shallow either.

You said you liked Tonari, Haru also kissed Shizuku really fast and forcefully too, but that didn't seem to be a problem for you.

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SetsukoHara said:

HibiChouchou said:

SetsukoHara said:

Now that we know a lot more about Yamato, I think the 2 first episodes make perfect sense.

Perfect sense = 2 day of knowing Mei, kissing on the first day, and forcefully kissed Mei on the next day. Kisses first, love later, oh wut he told us he loved her on the second day, perfect sense. It's mediocre and shallow as its best.

It is not kisses first and love later. He already loved her. Have you heard of the expression love at first sight, here, it was love at first kick. He explained the reason why he fell in love in episode 3. It's probably not the deepest reason I've seen, but I wouldn't call them shallow either.

You said you liked Tonari, Haru also kissed Shizuku really fast and forcefully too, but that didn't seem to be a problem for you.

Because Haru isn't a play boy like Yamato, probably Haru has never kissed a girl in his life cause everyone was afraid of him but Shizuku does not. It's like the kiss was caught the girls off guard in both series, but in the second episode of Sukitte, there's a big difference: that kiss was truly forceful as if Yamato tried to rape Mei, sr but I disgusted it.

Like a guy said in the 3rd episode thread, if he found Mei was the one he like, he wouldn't stick around with his Ex-crush. It's not like he spent 2 day side by side with Mei the whole time either, he was in a karaoke bar with some girls during the 1st episode, and 2nd episode was the same, Mei stalked him.

Meanwhile in Tonari, Shizuku and Haru always spent time together, their relationship is more real and believable than the play boy and Mei.

There's a BIG difference when a playboy tells a girl that he loves her, and when a guy, who has never fallen in love, has a crush on a girl.

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HibiChouchou said:
Because Haru isn't a play boy like Yamato, probably Haru has never kissed a girl in his life cause everyone was afraid of him but Shizuku does not. It's like the kiss was caught the girls off guard in both series, but in the second episode of Sukitte, there's a big difference: that kiss was truly forceful as if Yamato tried to rape Mei, sr but I disgusted it.

In both serie, the kiss was forceful. Anyway, it seems you didn't understand the kiss scene in the second episode of sukitte. That wasn't a rape scene, Yamato just wanted to show her that there was a difference between the way he feels for Mei and the way he felt for the other girl he kissed. The last kiss he gave her that tasted like deep fried chicken is probably the deepest kiss he ever had. There were true feelings behind that last kiss.

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Like a guy said in the 3rd episode thread, if he found Mei was the one he like, he wouldn't stick around with his Ex-crush. It's not like he spent 2 day side by side with Mei the whole time either, he was in a karaoke bar with some girls during the 1st episode, and 2nd episode was the same, Mei stalked him.

He was in a bar with those girls, but nothing happened, hell, his first crush told him it was OK to kiss her, but he didn't do it, she asked him after to hang out with and he refused. The whole point of this scene was to show us that he isn't a playboy anymore, and that he is seriously in love with Mei now.

There's a BIG difference when a playboy tells a girl that he loves her, and when a guy, who has never fallen in love, has a crush on a girl.

The difference is that Haru isn't "really" in love with Shizuku for the moment, whereas Yamato is serious about Mei (He dumped his first crush and Aiko, his ex-GF, for Mei).

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i would say there hasnt been much time for the characters to develop. I am midway through the third episode. Cant decide on whether Yamato is a dick or not. He seems to like Mei, yet it seems like he a slight man whore as well. But how much of that is other girls claiming they have done stuff with him or not i dont know.

I will give it another few episodes. after 6 if the character development is still slow i would probably lean towards shallow tbh.

The story is a rather cliche overused concept, but then again is a Shoujo anime. I am almost hoping for it to be a little more dramatic, and for yamato to be a dick, it would add a bit more depth to the story. Him just being the most popular guy in school and be really nice, good looking etc is just a bit....meh. If it plays out like that it will end up being a little boring tbh. We shall see, to early to judge anything really.

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SetsukoHara said:

In both serie, the kiss was forceful. Anyway, it seems you didn't understand the kiss scene in the second episode of sukitte. That wasn't a rape scene, Yamato just wanted to show her that there was a difference between the way he feels for Mei and the way he felt for the other girl he kissed. The last kiss he gave her that tasted like deep fried chicken is probably the deepest kiss he ever had. There were true feelings behind that last kiss.

Ah okay Yamato wanted to show her the difference by forcefully kissed her, kisses are still kisses, he kissed other girls as well as kissing Mei-->man whore. Not only me who saw the kiss was forceful but the other people as well. So don't tell me like I don't understand. Oh no I understand it very well. Not sure but it seems like you who doesn't understand. Whether he felt about the kiss was his true feelings, there weren't any proofs or developments to justify that.

How many girls did he kiss before he kissed Mei? The kiss was difference when he kissed other girl? Rofl you believe in that, dont u? Every kiss always contains feelings, especially in Shoujo demographic. What if he says the same thing he told Mei to every girl he kissed with, cause with a hot boy like him and the honey words like that, they would easily let Yamato kiss them. That kiss didn't contribute to the relationship he has with Mei, but rather it proved to me he is a real play boy and he knows words to comfort woman.

He was in a bar with those girls, but nothing happened, hell, his first crush told him it was OK to kiss her, but he didn't do it, she asked him after to hang out with and he refused. The whole point of this scene was to show us that he isn't a playboy anymore, and that he is seriously in love with Mei now.

So why was he in the bar in the first place? Were there any reasons prevent him not to be side with his love? Err the whole point was that he stopped being a play boy after 2days but still hanging out around with other girls and his ex-crush. Which made him looks like a whore.

The difference is that Haru isn't "really" in love with Shizuku for the moment, whereas Yamato is serious about Mei (He dumped his first crush and Aiko, his ex-GF, for Mei).

The differences are, Yamato dump his first crush for Mei, key word: dump. So his love is nothing but a half-hearted love. He decided to kick his ex-crush aside because he has found a new love within 2days. What if this shoujo wasn't revolved around Mei but his ex-crush? What if they showed us how badly his ex-crush was hurt? What a poor girl, he dumped her cause he has found another girl. How long had he been loving his ex-crush before he found Mei? I bet it's longer than 2days. And all of the past memory when he was with his first love were cast aside. He used to love his ex-gf but he dumped her. He had sex with Aiko to comfort her(well that was his excuse anyway), he kisses other girls. All of those things prove that he only plays with the girl's feelings, and it made both his character or his love for Mei become shallow. (even if he truly loves her now)

Haru just took a liking on Shizuku, but he will fall for her eventually cause he has never fallen in love before. There were moments Shizuku came to comfort Haru, meanwhile everyone tried to stay away from him, and I'd call that the developments cause it showed how Shizuku care for him.

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Oct 24, 2012 2:16 PM

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What exactly do you mean by shallow?

Edit: And to the people arguing on page two, it seems like all your confusions could be solved if you read the manga... Looks like it wasn't adapted that well into an anime when I read all that.

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HibiChouchou said:

SetsukoHara said:

In both serie, the kiss was forceful. Anyway, it seems you didn't understand the kiss scene in the second episode of sukitte. That wasn't a rape scene, Yamato just wanted to show her that there was a difference between the way he feels for Mei and the way he felt for the other girl he kissed. The last kiss he gave her that tasted like deep fried chicken is probably the deepest kiss he ever had. There were true feelings behind that last kiss.

Ah okay Yamato wanted to show her the difference by forcefully kissed her, kisses are still kisses, he kissed other girls as well as kissing Mei-->man whore. Not only me who saw the kiss was forceful but the other people as well. So don't tell me like I don't understand. Oh no I understand it very well. Not sure but it seems like you who doesn't understand.

No, that isn't simple as that. For Yamato, it seems there are different type of kiss. And he showed those several kind of kisses to Mei. And you can see at a point, she isn't rejecting him anymore, because this was a serious kiss. He forcefully kiss her to show her that he has different kind of kiss, and some of them doesn't mean much.

Whether he felt about the kiss was his true feelings, there weren't any proofs or developments to justify that.

There weren't until episode 3.

So why was he in the bar in the first place? Were there any reasons prevent him not to be side with his love? Err the whole point was that he stopped being a play boy after 2days but still hanging out around with other girls and his ex-crush. Which made him looks like a whore.

He went to the bar to enjoy himself, he can hang out with other people can't he? And his first crush probably wanted to talk to him, why would he refuse. This scene clearly shows that he isn't interested in his first love anymore. And he stopped being a play boy because he is in love, and he only wants to date Mei, right now, and we got the explanation in the third episode.

The differences are, Yamato dump his first crush for Mei, key word: dump. So his love is nothing but a half-hearted love. He decided to kick his ex-crush aside because he has found a new love within 2days. What if this shoujo wasn't revolved around Mei but his ex-crush? What if they showed us how badly his ex-crush was hurt?

First, He never started anything with his ex-crush, so he didn't really kick her aside, there is just a girl that he loved more now. Second, The thing is we only know this girl was his first crush, we don't know if he was still in love with her just before he met Mei, but most likely, he wasn't, or at least his feelings weren't as strong as the feelings he has now for Mei, because since he fell in love with Mei, he didn't kiss any other girl, and I don't think he will kiss any other girl.

Haru just took a liking on Shizuku, but he will fall for her eventually cause he has never fallen in love before. There were moments Shizuku came to comfort Haru, meanwhile everyone tried to stay away from him, and I'd call that the developments cause it showed how Shizuku care for him.

Because Yamato leaving all his friend to help Me doesn't show that he cares for her?

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^ She wouldn't recognize the kiss as a serious one or just a simple kiss because it was her second time receiving a kiss from a boy. She isn't an experienced kiss-er so how the hell could she tell? I'd pretty much be like her if I was kissed by a freaking cute girl.

It's up to your perspective to decide but to me he's a play boy, playing with the girl's feelings, shallow developments are shallow. Different kind of kiss, that was just honey words he put up to comfort Mei. Have you ever had a girlfriend? Go around and kiss other girl in front of your gf, tell her that it is different from kissing her Rofl ... some people actually believe in that stuff lol ...
Oh wait, why the hell did he kiss many girls in the first place? No specific reasons? He only plays with them.

How many girls did he kiss before he kissed Mei? The kiss was difference when he kissed other girl? Rofl you believe in that, dont u? Every kiss always contains feelings, especially in Shoujo demographic. What if he says the same thing he told Mei to every girl he kissed with, cause with a hot boy like him and the honey words like that, they would easily let Yamato kiss them. That kiss didn't contribute to the relationship he has with Mei, but rather it proved to me he is a real play boy and he knows words to comfort woman.

What if this shoujo wasn't revolved around Mei but his ex-crush? What if they showed us how badly his ex-crush was hurt? What a poor girl, he dumped her cause he has found another girl. How long had he been loving his ex-crush before he found Mei? I bet it's longer than 2days. And all of the past memory when he was with his first love were cast aside. He used to love his ex-gf but he dumped her. He had sex with Aiko to comfort her(well that was his excuse anyway), he kisses other girls. All of those things prove that he only plays with the girl's feelings, and it made both his character or his love for Mei become shallow. (even if he truly loves her now)

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^ She wouldn't recognize the kiss as a serious one or just a simple kiss because it was her second time receiving a kiss from a boy.

He kissed her several times, so she knows the difference between all his kisses.

It's up to your perspective to decide but to me he's a play boy, playing with the girl's feelings, shallow developments are shallow.

To me he was probably a playboy (I'm not sure, we're still lacking some information), but he isn't anymore, and I don't think this anime could have shown it in a better way.

What if this shoujo wasn't revolved around Mei but his ex-crush? What if they showed us how badly his ex-crush was hurt? What a poor girl, he dumped her cause he has found another girl. How long had he been loving his ex-crush before he found Mei? I bet it's longer than 2days. And all of the past memory when he was with his first love were cast aside. He used to love his ex-gf but he dumped her. He had sex with Aiko to comfort her(well that was his excuse anyway), he kisses other girls.

He doesn't have any past memory with his first crush because they never dated. The girl even said in the bar it was the first time they really talked. His feelings for this girl probably nevere were as strong as the feelings he has now for Mei.

He had sex with Aiko to comfort her(well that was his excuse anyway), he kisses other girls. All of those things prove that he only plays with the girl's feelings, and it made both his character or his love for Mei become shallow. (even if he truly loves her now)

He's not really playing with those girls' feeling, maybe he was only trying to be nice with her, and kissed them because that was what they wanted, we don't know much yet.

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He had sex with Aiko to comfort her(well that was his excuse anyway), he kisses other girls. All of those things prove that he only plays with the girl's feelings, and it made both his character or his love for Mei become shallow. (even if he truly loves her now)

He's not really playing with those girls' feeling, maybe he was only trying to be nice with her, and kissed them because that was what they wanted, we don't know much yet.

Ah okay, he kissed them because that was what they wanted, he had sex because Aiko wanted, etc. Finally you said that. So what the FK is he now? Not really playing with girl's feelings = do whatever they wanted him to do. So now he is a .. err what is the suitable word for this??

Trying to be nice with someone = kiss them, then fk them. Errr Wut??

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Ah okay, he kissed them because that was what they wanted, he had sex because Aiko wanted, etc. Finally you said that. So what the FK is he now? Not really playing with girl's feelings = do whatever they wanted him to do. So now he is a .. err what is the suitable word for this??

A guy that made mistakes.

Trying to be nice with someone = kiss them, then fk them. Errr Wut??

It seems he only fucked Aiko. And what I wanted to say by "trying to be nice" is that he probably isn't the kind of guy that would take advantage of every girls he sees, maybe those girls wanted so much to kiss him he gave in.

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