| You know a thing that sicks out in some shows - a silly justification for the presence of attractive teenage girls in the story, even if it's at the expense of the show's logic. For example, this season's Arpeggio made me chuckle: We are being attacked by sentient ships... which all happen to manifest themselves as teenage girls! Or Coppelion: The only humans able to resist the radiation... are a bunch of teenage girls! (Even though I like both of these shows, it's still funny). Also: I'm going to have my very own battle automaton... shaped exactly as a teenage girl! (Unbreakable Machine-Doll) Which do you consider to be the worst offenders ? The pre-edit opening phrase which sparked the debate: You know one thing that brings many anime across all genres together - there have to be some attractive teenage girls in there somewhere! And it doesn't matter if it's at the expense of the show's logic! |
NxKOct 8, 2013 4:56 PM
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NxK said: Which do you consider to be the worst offenders ? The people who have seen 29 anime and think they can discuss the industry on such a wide-sweeping level while ignoring their ignorance on the topic. |
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| Anime never does illogical things. Don't be silly. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: I think that after seen about 200+ anime, he would come to the same conclusion.NxK said: Which do you consider to be the worst offenders ? The people who have seen 29 anime and think they can discuss the industry on such a wide-sweeping level while ignoring their ignorance on the topic. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
| Damn... I guess people here really like teenage girls >_> srsly though OP has a point. Aynway Sora no Woto, Girls und Panzer, Mai-hime, Vividred, Infinite Stratos, Strike witches, Smypogears, Claymore (kinda makes sense tho and they don't look like teenagers), Samurai Bride and all of the other gender bender sengoku and edo period anime and also mecha musume shows. |
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| Coppelion's reasoning for having teenage girls makes sense. We learn in the first episode I didn't even bother to try Apreggio or Unbreakable Machine-Doll, so I can't say much about that. Now, for me the worst scenario is scientific constructs/technology that only works with teenagers/kids for some unexplained or silly reason. |
TallonKarrde23 said: NxK said: Which do you consider to be the worst offenders ? The people who have seen 29 anime and think they can discuss the industry on such a wide-sweeping level while ignoring their ignorance on the topic. See, it's people like you who prove entries like this right, and that makes me sick to my stomach, it really does. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=myanimelist.net |
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TallonKarrde23 said: NxK said: Which do you consider to be the worst offenders ? The people who have seen 29 anime and think they can discuss the industry on such a wide-sweeping level while ignoring their ignorance on the topic. Maybe instead of personal attacks you could use your understanding of anime to show how my point is wrong. Wait, that would be useless since I wasn't even trying to prove a point about anime in general, just wanted to have some fun at the expense of some poorly written aspects of certain shows. But I guess I'll leave you to enjoy your victory for the glory of anime. |
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Dark_Chaos said: TallonKarrde23 said: NxK said: Which do you consider to be the worst offenders ? The people who have seen 29 anime and think they can discuss the industry on such a wide-sweeping level while ignoring their ignorance on the topic. See, it's people like you who prove entries like this right, and that makes me sick to my stomach, it really does. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=myanimelist.net That article was obviously just written by some clannad-loving LOGH hater with a short list. |
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Brotwo said: Coppelion's reasoning for having teenage girls makes sense. We learn in the first episode I didn't even bother to try Apreggio or Unbreakable Machine-Doll, so I can't say much about that. Now, for me the worst scenario is scientific constructs/technology that only works with teenagers/kids for some unexplained or silly reason. Actually, Coppelion's reason is pretty solid compared to others. Although the miniskirts are still hard to justify lol |
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Silliest pretext to include teenage girls in an anime Anything is fair game, dude. For example, Strike Witches. Thank goodness for the existence of this marvelous concept. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Dark_Chaos said: TallonKarrde23 said: NxK said: Which do you consider to be the worst offenders ? The people who have seen 29 anime and think they can discuss the industry on such a wide-sweeping level while ignoring their ignorance on the topic. See, it's people like you who prove entries like this right, and that makes me sick to my stomach, it really does. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=myanimelist.net That article was obviously just written by some clannad-loving LOGH hater with a short list. Now i wonder who that could be. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Dark_Chaos said: TallonKarrde23 said: NxK said: Which do you consider to be the worst offenders ? The people who have seen 29 anime and think they can discuss the industry on such a wide-sweeping level while ignoring their ignorance on the topic. See, it's people like you who prove entries like this right, and that makes me sick to my stomach, it really does. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=myanimelist.net That article was obviously just written by some clannad-loving LOGH hater with a short list. Maybe so, but he made one good point in particular - This isn't a hierarchy. A persons opinion is the same no matter how big or small their list is, and I think NxK made a point that a lot of anime series revolve around attractive teenage girls. It was a simple observation, nothing more, nothing less. |
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Dark_Chaos said: TallonKarrde23 said: NxK said: Which do you consider to be the worst offenders ? The people who have seen 29 anime and think they can discuss the industry on such a wide-sweeping level while ignoring their ignorance on the topic. See, it's people like you who prove entries like this right, and that makes me sick to my stomach, it really does. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=myanimelist.net That's great and all except it doesn't apply. I'm not showing off my e-penis, nor being an elitist: what I'm doing is saying you cannot speak about the medium so generally as the OP is when you do not have experience with said medium. This is a fact for anything, you can't generalize when you don't have experience. It'd be like saying all books are shit if you only read twilight and fanfics, or that all asian food is bad and contaminated because the one time you tried it you got diarrhea. Or asking "why are all teachers pedophiles?" just because you saw some on the news that were. Without at least some level of experience with and knowledge on something, you can't go around making blatant statements about what it does or does not do - because you genuinely do not KNOW what it does or doesn't do. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Totally the same thing. All hail the anime overlord with the Anime & Gaming Blog.This is a fact for anything, you can't generalize when you don't have experience. It'd be like saying all books are shit if you only read twilight and fanfics. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
gstaad said: TallonKarrde23 said: Totally the same thing. All hail the anime overlord with the Anime & Gaming Blog.Without at least some level of experience with something, you can't go around making blatant statements about what it does or does not do - because you genuinely do not KNOW what it does or doesn't do. Sorry for offending you by seeing more cartoons than you have, thank you for deflecting and running to fallacy as it proves my point - you can't even think of an actual counter argument. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: No problem. I accept your apology.Sorry for offending you by seeing more cartoons than you have, thank you for deflecting and running to fallacy. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
| They put them in so some fat fuck can jerk off to them and purchase overpriced figures and crap. That's the reason. Fuck the directors who sell out to that type of demographics. |
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MajinSaga said: They put them in so some fat fuck can jerk off to them and purchase overpriced figures and crap. That's the reason. Fuck the directors who sell out to that type of demographics. Says the guy with his top favorite set to a show that purposefully had a big chested barely-dressed woman as a main character followed by 4 (of the same show) featuring many pointless nude breast shots all to pander to the masturbating demo. |
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| The whole "all girls school now coed! Except only like 3 boys are allowed" setup. It's not exactly bizarre or illogical or anything.. it's just corny and trite. And completely uninteresting and bland. You could literally have the same exact plot in any school, because the 3-7 female main harem members are the only female students that are even given screen time anyway. |
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| OP should have just stuck to the question without implying that teenage girls are what all anime have in common. And MajinSaga answers a question that was never asked. We don't need no reasons, this thread is about funny examples. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: 18+ android boobs. Not little teenage girl boobs. Big difference.Says the guy with his top favorite set to a show that purposefully had a big chested barely-dressed woman as a main character followed by 4 (of the same show) featuring many pointless nude breast shots all to pander to the masturbating demo. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: OP should have just stuck to the question without implying that teenage girls are what all anime have in common. And MajinSaga answers a question that was never asked. We know the reason, this thread is about funny examples. I did say "many" - not "all", not even "most". But it seems there is always someone willing to interpret it that way. |
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miereneronaile said: Can someone explain to me why the fuck they need a pretext to put hot girls in my animes in the first place? Because "manime" kids who have seen 30 anime tend to forget all their shows are full of overly sexualized women as well, and they think bitching about it being 'in many shows' when they've seen not enough to even claim "a small bit" they do this to pander makes some kind of valid argument against anything. |
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miereneronaile said: So they can stick her on the cover of the DVD case/manga volume to increase sales.Can someone explain to me why the fuck they need a pretext to put hot girls in my animes in the first place? |
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| Like it or not, that's a selling point. Yet, there are plenty of animes out there without such an emphasis. Is Cobbelion any good? I'm thinking whether i should watch it or not |
TallonKarrde23 said: Are you maybe commenting in the wrong thread? I have no idea what you're on about.Because "manime" kids who have seen 30 anime tend to forget all their shows are full of overly sexualized women as well, and they think bitching about it being 'in many shows' when they've seen not enough to even claim "a small bit" they do this to pander makes some kind of valid argument against anything. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
gstaad said: TallonKarrde23 said: Are you maybe commenting in the wrong thread? I have no idea what you're on about.Because "manime" kids who have seen 30 anime tend to forget all their shows are full of overly sexualized women as well, and they think bitching about it being 'in many shows' when they've seen not enough to even claim "a small bit" they do this to pander makes some kind of valid argument against anything. I wasn't replying to anything you said, so it's very possible you missed the context which would explain why you can't understand what I said. |
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Red_Keys said: The whole "all girls school now coed! Except only like 3 boys are allowed" setup. It's not exactly bizarre or illogical or anything.. it's just corny and trite. And completely uninteresting and bland. You could literally have the same exact plot in any school, because the 3-7 female main harem members are the only female students that are even given screen time anyway. I have to agree with Red_Keys. While said situation may technically be more justifiable than the science one I mentioned - it tends to feel much more contrived and unnecessary than the science one. NxK said: 'Actually, Coppelion's reason is pretty solid compared to others. Although the miniskirts are still hard to justify lol http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Stripperiffic and the related tropes if you're interested. Wouldn't make for a interesting turn on this topic since it's already been discussed to death. miereneronaile said: Can someone explain to me why the fuck they need a pretext to put hot girls in my animes in the first place? If you're looking for anything other than fap material out of your anime, it's best to have something explain potential inconsistencies in the stories and characters. |
TallonKarrde23 said: You're talking about "overly sexualized" while the topic was "the pretext to include teenage girls" in anime where there's no reason to include them. A fair observation. An observation that can be made without watching 100+ anime.I wasn't replying to anything you said, so it's very possible you missed the context which would explain why you can't understand what I said. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
gstaad said: TallonKarrde23 said: You're talking about "overly sexualized" while the topic was "the pretext to include teenage girls" in anime where there's no reason to include them. A fair observation. An observation that can be made without watching 100+ anime.I wasn't replying to anything you said, so it's very possible you missed the context which would explain why you can't understand what I said. Are you maybe commenting in the wrong thread? I have no idea what you're on about. |
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NxK said: TallonKarrde23 said: NxK said: Which do you consider to be the worst offenders ? The people who have seen 29 anime and think they can discuss the industry on such a wide-sweeping level while ignoring their ignorance on the topic. Maybe instead of personal attacks you could use your understanding of anime to show how my point is wrong. Wait, that would be useless since I wasn't even trying to prove a point about anime in general, just wanted to have some fun at the expense of some poorly written aspects of certain shows. But I guess I'll leave you to enjoy your victory for the glory of anime. Why do you think those shows as 'poorly written' just because it has a young female protagonist? Coppelion for example, have you read the whole story? I don't know about it since I've only watch one episode of it. |
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Rinshansan said: gstaad said: An observation that can be made without watching 100+ anime. So you're saying someone with less experience with the media is entitled to make baseless assumptions? It will make him feel right, so yes. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: I prefer the original. Nice try, though.Are you maybe commenting in the wrong thread? I have no idea what you're on about. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
Rinshansan said: gstaad said: An observation that can be made without watching 100+ anime. So you're saying someone with less experience with the media is entitled to make baseless assumptions? I think you have to have seen a lot of anime before you can make assumptions like that. It's like judging a band after hearing only one song. |
| Christ. OP wasn't making fucking assumptions about the majority of anime or whatever. He's saying to give examples and discuss silly reasons that unnecessary female characters are shoehorned into the story for. I mean, just read Kimi no Iru Machi, and you'll instantly know what he's talking about :S It's like saying "what are some of the best examples of anime with the most tasteless and obtuse sexual fan service scenes", and then everybody replies "not ALL anime has sexual fan service! You need to watch more anime! Stop making assumptions!" Come on guys.. you're arguing for no reason. |
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Red_Keys said: You are threatening their right to watch teenage anime girls. Please be considerate.Come on guys.. you're arguing for no reason. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
TallonKarrde23 said: miereneronaile said: Can someone explain to me why the fuck they need a pretext to put hot girls in my animes in the first place? Because "manime" kids who have seen 30 anime tend to forget all their shows are full of overly sexualized women as well, and they think bitching about it being 'in many shows' when they've seen not enough to even claim "a small bit" they do this to pander makes some kind of valid argument against anything. First of all I wasn't "bitching" about anything, and second the topic was not anime that include sexualized women, but anime that contain silly justifications for including them. And I don't even know where you got the "manime" angle from, surely not from my list since all my favourites are romance anime?! I guess you have so many good arguments against my supposed point that the fact I didn't actually say or mean it shouldn't prevent you from using them... |
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Red_Keys said: Christ. OP wasn't making fucking assumptions about the majority of anime or whatever. He's saying to give examples and discuss silly reasons that unnecessary female characters are shoehorned into the story for. I mean, just read Kimi no Iru Machi, and you'll instantly know what he's talking about :S It's like saying "what are some of the best examples of anime with the most tasteless and obtuse sexual fan service scenes", and then everybody replies "not ALL anime has sexual fan service! You need to watch more anime! Stop making assumptions!" Come on guys.. you're arguing for no reason. What he did is not "like saying" what your example was. What you said was fine, it's not what he said though. many anime across all genres [...] have to have attractive girls in there [...] [even] at the expense of the show's logic |
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Red_Keys said: Christ. OP wasn't making fucking assumptions about the majority of anime or whatever. He's saying to give examples and discuss silly reasons that unnecessary female characters are shoehorned into the story for. I mean, just read Kimi no Iru Machi, and you'll instantly know what he's talking about :S It's like saying "what are some of the best examples of anime with the most tasteless and obtuse sexual fan service scenes", and then everybody replies "not ALL anime has sexual fan service! You need to watch more anime! Stop making assumptions!" Come on guys.. you're arguing for no reason. Wow this must be the only person in the thread who got the opening post. Did the rest just pick up keywords and filled in the sentences themselves with something they wanted to argue about?! |
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TallonKarrde23 said: That's obviously just a wording error. What he did is not "like saying" what your example was. What you said was fine, it's not what he said or asked about. The general sentiments and purpose of the thread are clear. |
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NxK said: Red_Keys said: Christ. OP wasn't making fucking assumptions about the majority of anime or whatever. He's saying to give examples and discuss silly reasons that unnecessary female characters are shoehorned into the story for. I mean, just read Kimi no Iru Machi, and you'll instantly know what he's talking about :S It's like saying "what are some of the best examples of anime with the most tasteless and obtuse sexual fan service scenes", and then everybody replies "not ALL anime has sexual fan service! You need to watch more anime! Stop making assumptions!" Come on guys.. you're arguing for no reason. Wow this must be the only person in the thread who got the opening post. Did the rest just pick up keywords and filled in the sentences themselves with something they wanted to argue about?! Backpedaling doesn't work on the internet so well; NxK said: You know one thing that brings many anime across all genres together - there have to be some attractive teenage girls in there somewhere! And it doesn't matter if it's at the expense of the show's logic! Red_Keys said: TallonKarrde23 said: That's obviously just a wording error. What he did is not "like saying" what your example was. What you said was fine, it's not what he said or asked about. The general sentiments and purpose of the thread are clear. Well sorry, but I disagree with you this time, red-kun. It's pretty blatantly obvious from my perspective that he's generalizing 'many' anime (which he hasn't even seen, as he's seen 'just about nothing' not 'many') as pointlessly (and negatively) introducing attractive girls. Given he LITERALLY SAID EXACTLY THAT. He sat there making baseless, unnecessary, and generalizing blanket statements about "many" shows within the medium based on nothing but baseless assumptions. No matter how he worded that sentence, it was talking shit about something he doesn't even know happens. |
TallonKarrde23Oct 8, 2013 4:49 PM
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| OP, just edit your first post so this nonsense can stop. |
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