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Jul 13, 2013 5:20 AM

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Yukon said:
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I've noticed people have overlooked the smashed crystal ball? It would be too obvious if Hagakure did it because they found his crystal ball but it must have some significance. The only thing that annoyed me about them all suspecting Naegi is that it would be too obvious if he did it they knew he was willing to stand by because on the last episode they were all stood behind Naegi being kind to Maizono.


I've explained the smashed crystall ball a few pages back. It's not that you guys overlooked it, it's that the anime didn't give much detail on it, wherein in fact it is a pretty crucial evidence to the murder.

I'll explain it again here. Again, only for the theory-crafters.

Again, don't click on it if you're not one of the people who like to theorize.


Sorry I didn't see that, however I don't totally understand what you're getting at by that, that was another thing the clothing, could it be that Yamada got blood on his shirt and wanted to burn it? Did Yamada need the crystal ball from Hagakure to press the on/off button because it was hard to open?


Again,

Also, while theory-crafting, put everything on spoilers. Even replies to the theories should be placed on spoilers.
Jul 13, 2013 5:25 AM

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VoidNoodle said:

Also, while theory-crafting, put everything on spoilers. Even replies to the theories should be placed on spoilers.

The first trial is a cake walk anyway because of the stupid conclusive evidence. The next cases will be much more difficult and more open for interpretation

BTW is that a Komomo-chan I see? :)

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Jul 13, 2013 5:27 AM

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VoidNoodle said:
Yukon said:
VoidNoodle said:
Yukon said:
I've noticed people have overlooked the smashed crystal ball? It would be too obvious if Hagakure did it because they found his crystal ball but it must have some significance. The only thing that annoyed me about them all suspecting Naegi is that it would be too obvious if he did it they knew he was willing to stand by because on the last episode they were all stood behind Naegi being kind to Maizono.


I've explained the smashed crystall ball a few pages back. It's not that you guys overlooked it, it's that the anime didn't give much detail on it, wherein in fact it is a pretty crucial evidence to the murder.

I'll explain it again here. Again, only for the theory-crafters.

Again, don't click on it if you're not one of the people who like to theorize.


Sorry I didn't see that, however I don't totally understand what you're getting at by that, that was another thing the clothing, could it be that Yamada got blood on his shirt and wanted to burn it? Did Yamada need the crystal ball from Hagakure to press the on/off button because it was hard to open?


Again,

Also, while theory-crafting, put everything on spoilers. Even replies to the theories should be placed on spoilers.


I get what you mean now :D waiting every week for all the trials is going to kill me but at least I have a week to think about everything.
Jul 13, 2013 5:29 AM

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can anyone spoil me

is there going to be any romance between kirigiri and naegi towards the end?
thanks
Jul 13, 2013 5:33 AM

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Raiden_ said:
VoidNoodle said:

Also, while theory-crafting, put everything on spoilers. Even replies to the theories should be placed on spoilers.

The first trial is a cake walk anyway because of the stupid conclusive evidence. The next cases will be much more difficult and more open for interpretation

BTW is that a Komomo-chan I see? :)


Yup. First case's basically baby's first. The next cases are...well, let's just say difficult. :)

Also, yes. Mokomoko-chan. :3
Jul 13, 2013 5:35 AM

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na35899 said:
can anyone spoil me

is there going to be any romance between kirigiri and naegi towards the end?
thanks


Jul 13, 2013 5:39 AM

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Why did they have to get rid of two cute girls right from the start
Jul 13, 2013 5:42 AM

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Raiden_ said:
VoidNoodle said:

Also, while theory-crafting, put everything on spoilers. Even replies to the theories should be placed on spoilers.

The first trial is a cake walk anyway because of the stupid conclusive evidence. The next cases will be much more difficult and more open for interpretation

Yeah, but they should at least explain it, even in a meta example. Even if people have figured out the culprit from certain clues, who's to say it's not fabricated? For all we know, the culprit could have placed it there, making it a red herring.

It's also a good thing to keep connecting the dots with the evidence and testimony. Having a populous or shallow opinion and theory is exactly what Monokuma wants, getting everybody killed for not seeking the "truth."

Have fun, everyone!
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MrOCD said:
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Also, while theory-crafting, put everything on spoilers. Even replies to the theories should be placed on spoilers.

The first trial is a cake walk anyway because of the stupid conclusive evidence. The next cases will be much more difficult and more open for interpretation

Yeah, but they should at least explain it, even in a meta example. Even if people have figured out the culprit from certain clues, who's to say it's not fabricated? For all we know, the culprit could have placed it there, making it a red herring.

It's also a good thing to keep connecting the dots with the evidence and testimony. Having a populous or shallow opinion and theory is exactly what Monokuma wants, getting everybody killed for not seeking the "truth."

Have fun, everyone!

That's why I'll elaborate on any evidence the anime might have skipped/left. :)
Jul 13, 2013 5:44 AM

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I'm liking it so far. I can't remember any names so I'll refer to their given titles. The first two deaths were good surprises, and the pink blood is fine since it makes DR stand out. In first episode I was annoyed by the Idol because she was a "love interest", though I could see that she was desperate enough to kill someone. The Model did a stupid move and paid the price, but still, it's dumb to assault Monokuma since he's from what I understand just some mechanic tool the mastermind is controlling. It's interesting that there's at least three characters that keep it cool while everyone else are freaking out. I get that they are supposed to be the levelheaded guys but it just annoys me that they didn't even blink when a fellow student is pierced to death in front of them.

There's a few characters I like already and it will be sad to see them die eventually, so the plot is going at a fine pace. I just hope for more insight in how their "Super Duper" titles will play a role in all of this.
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MrOCD said:
Raiden_ said:
VoidNoodle said:

Also, while theory-crafting, put everything on spoilers. Even replies to the theories should be placed on spoilers.

The first trial is a cake walk anyway because of the stupid conclusive evidence. The next cases will be much more difficult and more open for interpretation

Yeah, but they should at least explain it, even in a meta example. Even if people have figured out the culprit from certain clues, who's to say it's not fabricated? For all we know, the culprit could have placed it there, making it a red herring.

It's also a good thing to keep connecting the dots with the evidence and testimony. Having a populous or shallow opinion and theory is exactly what Monokuma wants, getting everybody killed for not seeking the "truth."

Have fun, everyone!

True dat i suppose
Still gotta figure out what happened, why it happened, how it happened

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ponygon123 said:

'But why would the dead girl encrypt the message or write the stuff in english upside down. It just does't make any sense at all....


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Raiden_ said:
MrOCD said:
Raiden_ said:
VoidNoodle said:

Also, while theory-crafting, put everything on spoilers. Even replies to the theories should be placed on spoilers.

The first trial is a cake walk anyway because of the stupid conclusive evidence. The next cases will be much more difficult and more open for interpretation

Yeah, but they should at least explain it, even in a meta example. Even if people have figured out the culprit from certain clues, who's to say it's not fabricated? For all we know, the culprit could have placed it there, making it a red herring.

It's also a good thing to keep connecting the dots with the evidence and testimony. Having a populous or shallow opinion and theory is exactly what Monokuma wants, getting everybody killed for not seeking the "truth."

Have fun, everyone!

True dat i suppose
Still gotta figure out what happened, why it happened, how it happened

Try playing the game. The "Climax" part of the Class Trial in the game is basically you recreating the events of the murder from start to finish in manga form. :)
Jul 13, 2013 6:05 AM

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VoidNoodle said:
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can anyone spoil me

is there going to be any romance between kirigiri and naegi towards the end?
thanks




thank you
Jul 13, 2013 6:25 AM

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VoidNoodle said:

Try playing the game. The "Climax" part of the Class Trial in the game is basically you recreating the events of the murder from start to finish in manga form. :)

I already beat the game. I'm just saying even though the people who haven't played the game already figured out who did it, it's entertaining for them to figure out how the murder played out using evidence provided.

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Jul 13, 2013 6:28 AM

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Raiden_ said:
VoidNoodle said:

Try playing the game. The "Climax" part of the Class Trial in the game is basically you recreating the events of the murder from start to finish in manga form. :)

I already beat the game. I'm just saying even though the people who haven't played the game already figured out who did it, it's entertaining for them to figure out how the murder played out using evidence provided.


I see, I see. Well, some parts were omitted, so it's pretty impossibly to reconstruct the event that transpired.
An example:
Jul 13, 2013 6:29 AM

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Irrelevant observation - I'm just amused about the fact that they have been imprisoned for 4 days now and poor Naegi-kun never got to take that shower or visit the toilet at all ^^
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Irrelevant observation - I'm just amused about the fact that they have been imprisoned for 4 days now and poor Naegi-kun never got to take that shower or visit the toilet at all ^^

Actually, there is a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment in episode one. Around 16:45 in the anime where they show you the mini map on the electronical student gizmomajigwhatever, or 'ElectroiD' as the game's fan translation calls it, shows there are toilets near the dorms.

You got that right about the showers, though. Seriously, it took him 4 days to attempt to open the door in his room? In the game it was done on the first day.
Jul 13, 2013 6:49 AM

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maybe Maizono was killed by yourself?? well, I think that she did it.
next ep will be interesting ^^
Jul 13, 2013 7:09 AM
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Lets just go and kill off the 2 idols in 1 episode.. Junko was awesome too..
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this show is so great ahhh. I am anticipating next week's episode so hard. LET'S SEE HOW THIS ALL UNFOLDS.
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Jul 13, 2013 7:31 AM

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Just in case, the blood in pink in order to go with the surreal atmosphere of the anime/game. And the cartoon style. Monokuma is another great example for this. People should stop with their "it's an horror story" when it is NOT, it's a mystery, it's the same thing that made the umineko fandom unBEARable.
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wow didn't expected to see Maizono's death this soon.... I think it's gonna be really good! There's just this kind of cartoon art with the purple blood that bugged me a little, but well seems to be a good anime this season ^^


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Jul 13, 2013 7:52 AM
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Alright, based on only the information we were given in the anime, here is my super duper awesome theory on who the killer is--!



Let me know what you think! But for the people who played the game--don't spoil me. =P
Jul 13, 2013 8:02 AM

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NorseFTX said:
Alright, based on only the information we were given in the anime, here is my super duper awesome theory on who the killer is--!



Let me know what you think! But for the people who played the game--don't spoil me. =P

Jul 13, 2013 8:12 AM

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Sayaka was the first one to be killed :(

I wonder who is the murder ?
Jul 13, 2013 8:23 AM

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na35899 said:
can anyone spoil me


Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

Jul 13, 2013 8:25 AM

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VoidNoodle said:
NorseFTX said:
Alright, based on only the information we were given in the anime, here is my super duper awesome theory on who the killer is--!



Let me know what you think! But for the people who played the game--don't spoil me. =P

You really shouldnt shoot down theories like that, those other evidence will likley be revealed by other characters next week, your taking the fun out of it by telling people the info they dont have yet and spoiling the fun for them. Just let them go in blind, more fun for everyone

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
VoidNoodle said:
NorseFTX said:
Alright, based on only the information we were given in the anime, here is my super duper awesome theory on who the killer is--!



Let me know what you think! But for the people who played the game--don't spoil me. =P

You really shouldnt shoot down theories like that, those other evidence will likley be revealed by other characters next week, your taking the fun out of it by telling people the info they dont have yet and spoiling the fun for them. Just let them go in blind, more fun for everyone


Did I shoot it down? Just elaborated on the few parts that the anime skipped completely. They're theory-crafting, anyway.
Jul 13, 2013 8:40 AM

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VoidNoodle said:
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
VoidNoodle said:
NorseFTX said:
Alright, based on only the information we were given in the anime, here is my super duper awesome theory on who the killer is--!



Let me know what you think! But for the people who played the game--don't spoil me. =P

You really shouldnt shoot down theories like that, those other evidence will likley be revealed by other characters next week, your taking the fun out of it by telling people the info they dont have yet and spoiling the fun for them. Just let them go in blind, more fun for everyone


Did I shoot it down? Just elaborated on the few parts that the anime skipped completely. They're theory-crafting, anyway.

Well that counts as shooting down by telling him evidence not yet shown to the anime viewer that controdicts one theory. Thats shooting down still.

Just let them go blind, those of us that played or watched the game should only be replying to stop spoilers or to answer legit questions people ask, not to provide any unknown info to them, hint anything, or shoot down theories. Its more fun for them and for us, since we can laugh at dead wrong theories or see some great oh shit reactions next week

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
VoidNoodle said:
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
VoidNoodle said:
NorseFTX said:
Alright, based on only the information we were given in the anime, here is my super duper awesome theory on who the killer is--!



Let me know what you think! But for the people who played the game--don't spoil me. =P

You really shouldnt shoot down theories like that, those other evidence will likley be revealed by other characters next week, your taking the fun out of it by telling people the info they dont have yet and spoiling the fun for them. Just let them go in blind, more fun for everyone


Did I shoot it down? Just elaborated on the few parts that the anime skipped completely. They're theory-crafting, anyway.

Well that counts as shooting down by telling him evidence not yet shown to the anime viewer that controdicts one theory. Thats shooting down still.

Just let them go blind, those of us that played or watched the game should only be replying to stop spoilers or to answer legit questions people ask, not to provide any unknown info to them, hint anything, or shoot down theories


But that's the thing. This info was presented by the anime to the viewer, but they didn't elaborate it clearly. Like..."hey here are the evidences, be quick to catch them fly from one side of your screen to the next."

It's not "unknown". It "should've been known, but skipped." Unless they skipped it for suspense, but wtf -_-
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VoidNoodle said:

Yeah exactly, thats why im saying next week in the trial they will reveal more, you shouldnt be telling them something not already shown in the anime. It spoils the fun for everyone. Stop trying to justify it what is essentially spoiling things

If you think the adaptation isnt fair, then dont just spoil things to those who enjoy it, just post the lp thread or tell them to go play the english patch, its that simple

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
VoidNoodle said:
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
VoidNoodle said:
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
VoidNoodle said:
NorseFTX said:
Alright, based on only the information we were given in the anime, here is my super duper awesome theory on who the killer is--!



Let me know what you think! But for the people who played the game--don't spoil me. =P

You really shouldnt shoot down theories like that, those other evidence will likley be revealed by other characters next week, your taking the fun out of it by telling people the info they dont have yet and spoiling the fun for them. Just let them go in blind, more fun for everyone


Did I shoot it down? Just elaborated on the few parts that the anime skipped completely. They're theory-crafting, anyway.

Well that counts as shooting down by telling him evidence not yet shown to the anime viewer that controdicts one theory. Thats shooting down still.

Just let them go blind, those of us that played or watched the game should only be replying to stop spoilers or to answer legit questions people ask, not to provide any unknown info to them, hint anything, or shoot down theories


But that's the thing. This info was presented by the anime to the viewer, but they didn't elaborate it clearly. Like..."hey here are the evidences, be quick to catch them fly from one side of your screen to the next."

It's not "unknown". It "should've been known, but skipped." Unless they skipped it for suspense, but wtf -_-

Yeah exactly, thats why im saying next week in the trial they will reveal more, you shouldnt be telling them something not already shown in the anime. It spoils the fun for everyone. Stop trying to justify it what is essentially spoiling things


Again, I posted this for theory-crafters to speculate. I mearly supplied them with the information "that should've been available to the viewers during the investigation phase". Hence, spoiler tags.
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I mearly supplied them with the information "that should've been available to the viewers during the investigation phase"..

Yah that has another definition, its called spoiling, spoiler tag or not you are not supposed to post them. If the anime didnt supply that evidence it will likely be supplied next week. and if it doesnt its safe to talk about them next week.....not noe

You are also supplying this evidence to people not asking for it

As i said, those of us that played the game shouldnt be giving hints, evidence or anything like your doing

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said:
VoidNoodle said:
I mearly supplied them with the information "that should've been available to the viewers during the investigation phase"..

Yah that has another definition, its called spoiling, spoiler tag or not you are not supposed to post them. If the anime didnt supply that evidence it will likely be supplied next week. and if it doesnt its safe to talk about them next week.....not noe

You are also supplying this evidence to people not asking for it

As i said, those of us that played the game shouldnt be giving hints, evidence or anything like your doing


Again, for theory-crafters. But anyway. Quite fun watching them create speculations. :)
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kuuurt said:
...so. We can all agree that she is best girl, right?

Kirigiri best girl :3
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They have done pretty good so far. But the one thing I don't like is how we aren't getting any depth to the characters. I guess it can't be helped with only 13 episodes. But I would have like to see more about Junko and even Maizono.

The part were Naegi was inspecting the crime scene was rushed too. I guess they felt it wasn't needed?

But other than that its following exactly how the game went which is great.
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VoidNoodle said:
kuuurt said:
...so. We can all agree that she is best girl, right?

Kirigiri best girl :3


I personally like Chihiro. As much as I'd like to end it with that...I have some doubts about...Chihiro's true identity?


I don't usually have a problem identifying the genders of people. Only in anime. Only. lol
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Getting into this.

I think she killed herself. If not there will be at least one suicide that will throw everyone else sometime else down the line.
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Getting into this.

I think she killed herself. If not there will be at least one suicide that will throw everyone else sometime else down the line.


She would have to be quite crafty to break her wrist AND stab herself at the same time just for a suicide. :D But yeah, you have to consider all the crazy possibilities with these cases. o:

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I personally like Chihiro. As much as I'd like to end it with that...I have some doubts about...Chihiro's true identity?

(...)

I don't usually have a problem identifying the genders of people. Only in anime. Only. lol


Chihiro has a male VA? That’s funny, I never noticed... Then again, I found out about Naegi’s female VA only after I’ve finished the game and checked the credits, so it’s probably safe to say that I am horrendous with this kind of thing in anime. :D
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Dude spoiler that!!
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Under spoiler tag now, but you can pretty much guess from this episode lol
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VoidNoodle said:
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i dont understand
i thought after killing one person you can just leave rigth?
y is there a class trail


Monokuma explained this after Naegi woke up. Basically, a Class Trial will happen a few long minutes after the body has been found. Monokuma gave them time to investigate everything for use in the Class Trial.

It's...Monokuma's personal little twist to the game, I think. I mean, it would've been boring for him if someone just killed someone, and left, right? That's why the Class Trial exist. To determine who's the culprit. It makes it more interesting for him.

Wrong culprit = everyone dies, and culprit gets to "graduate". Correct culprit = culprit dies, everyone lives on.


Does it mean once the class trial is complete, the show is over? Either the murderer survives or the rest of the class leaves?

I am guessing that the students will be given more time for investigation after the first class trial, and perhaps come together for a second or even third class trial.

I also wonder what will happen if somebody decided to murder another student while all the mess is going on.
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Vokoca said:
TehWhiteTiger said:
Getting into this.

I think she killed herself. If not there will be at least one suicide that will throw everyone else sometime else down the line.


She would have to be quite crafty to break her wrist AND stab herself at the same time just for a suicide. :D But yeah, you have to consider all the crazy possibilities with these cases. o:

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I personally like Chihiro. As much as I'd like to end it with that...I have some doubts about...Chihiro's true identity?

(...)

I don't usually have a problem identifying the genders of people. Only in anime. Only. lol


Chihiro has a male VA? That’s funny, I never noticed... Then again, I found out about Naegi’s female VA only after I’ve finished the game and checked the credits, so it’s probably safe to say that I am horrendous with this kind of thing in anime. :D


You never know. Ever watch that Simpsons episode where there was a court case for someone attacking a waiter or something, but it turned out he was just a be clutz? Maybe she just fell over onto her knife and broke her wrist XD. Although that wouldn't explain the slash marks all over the room.

We will see :P.
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Under spoiler tag now, but you can pretty much guess from this episode lol

It wasn't Sakura I was talking about, that part was never supposed to be hidden.
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Weird way of censuring... pink blood... look pretty stupid...

And well this episode was better than the last one...
Jul 13, 2013 10:42 AM

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VoidNoodle said:
Again, for theory-crafters. But anyway. Quite fun watching them create speculations. :)
Thing is, he wasn't asking for further evidence. He's only asking if his logic was plausible. And quite frankly, his logic makes sense with concrete details. Although I have a problem with one thing (from anime point of view only). And there you are shooting theories down by showing unknown evidence to the anime viewers. That will only spoil the fun for them.

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After re watching the episode. These are my top 3 choices on who did it.



@NorseFTX: I love your theories.
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