Shingeki no Kyojin Episode 12 Discussion

Jyupita said:
Good to see that Kawaii Kyojin came back from the dead. He looks way uglier now, though.

SomeDeadGuy said:


Okay, I'm getting sick of this. You have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever and are spouting a bunch of crap for no good reason.

Mikasa is not just a waifu character. She's a deconstruction of a typical waifu character. She's also a profoundly flawed character if you look past the surface.

First off, most waifu characters are helpless and weak. Mikasa is not and is far more powerful than Eren. Secondly, Mikasa's devotion to Eren is a profound character flaw, causing her to selfishly lose the will to live, almost abandon her duties several times, and lose focus in the middle of battle because of Eren. The reason why she is "overpowered" and "unrealistically devoted"? Because Eren saved her life as a kid, and now she clearly wants to pay him back. Also, he told her to fight. This must have triggered something deep in her and caused her to fight and fight incredibly well. Mikasa is powerful, but she is definitely not infallible, and it's not like her ability to kill a few titans here and there is really going to make a difference in the long run.

Levi is FAR more of a Mary Sue than Mikasa and is much, much more stupidly overpowered. He lacks Mikasa's flaws and limitations, as well. The fact that you praised him WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT HIM while bashing Mikasa reveals not only your stupidity but some kind of a hidden sexist nature.

You're ridiculous.

PoeticJustice said:


LOL She is a waifu character, and you obviously don't know what deconstruction means. Don't use it, she is not deconstructing anything. Mikasa is literally a perfect human being, she is smart, beautiful, and is the best at everything she does. Literally her only flaw, is being a brocon. She is obsessed with Eren to the point of sacrificing everything else, including the lives of others. She has no ambition is and is freaking transparent, all she is a waifu character.

Sexist eh? How come I don't like Eren then? I don't prefer male over female, I prefer good characters over horrible ones. I thought Levi was going to be a semi-decent character from his brief appearance and dialogue but I have been told otherwise. You're ridiculous.

Pipoko said:


I would agree with you, but there's absolutely zero fanservice with her and she isn't Eren's doormat, she can handle herself fine and doesn't need to stay by his side all the time and that's also part of the "waifu character". She's just strong and cares about Eren. You're excaggerating a lot. She could use another flaw, though, she's far from a fetish character however and that's what I like.

PoeticJustice said:


There may not be any fanservice but you are saying she is not a brocon? Mikasa always wants to stay by Eren's side she may not need to, she was going to disregard her orders to stay by Eren's side until he told her no. Maybe the waifu comment was an exaggeration, but she is still a flat, one dimensional character.

FinestFantasy said:
OMG I finally get it. The weak spot is the back of the titan's neck, which is where the humans are! I feel like a genius, everyone praise me!

Pipoko said:


I still like her backstory. She has reasons for being the way she is and that alone is more than a one-dimensional character. You don't really get strong females in anime a lot either. Her protectiveness of Eren is just like Eren's hotheadedness, it's a two-sided thing. I don't personally think Mikasa is the most amazing character either, mostly because of the flaw thing, but I see no reason to hate her either.

PoeticJustice said:


Ehh.....I guess you are right. But there are better female protagonists than her IMO, and that is why I am critical, maybe overly critical of her. My apologies.

Jyupita said:

Wrong.

PoeticJustice said:

Maybe the waifu comment was an exaggeration, but she is still a flat, one dimensional character.

FinestFantasy said:

You're shitting me, right? :/

Raikenzera said:
Wow, absolutely nothing happened. 10/10 Best anime evar (sarcasm)

Still, bravo, there aren't many anime that can drag things out this long. Really, way to go, this anime has impressed me on how it can get such a high score by doing just about nothing within 12 episodes as compared to other anime.

LittleStar said:
@Vokoca,
So you every TV serial what is broadcast in your country (no anime),
you watch since first episode?
You never start watched something in TV just from boredom and start like it?

Now, if we talk about anime.
You are fan, so of course you don't start watching something from the middle,
because you don't watch this show on TV,
you can watch in online whenever you want.

For some Japanese people anime is just ordinary series,
they just turn on tv and start watching some anime,
because there is nothing else to do and they start watching it.

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Edit.
Let's don't forget why he have flashbacks/recap episode,
because anime staff also need some break?
Maybe they should make week without episode,
instead spend time for edit old episodes and making few new moments for episode.

Dodgers20 said:


Replace the word "waifu" with "nanny", and it won't gonna be an exaggeration anymore. Because that's what Mikasa does: sure, there is some amount of justification of her behaviour and it's natural she wants to keep him alive since currently Eren is her only family left, but this side of hers has been overblown so much she doesn't have anything to write home about, to the point of making her effectively hollow in the inside in the bad meaning of words. She doesn't have enough diversity in her character to make herself more than a "badass" drone programmed to be around Eren no matter what, even if it's clear to her Eren is annoyed by her overbearing attachment that would even lead her to refuse orders from her superiors, which doesn't exactly reinforce the idea of a female character with a strong sense of self-conciousness, but more of a character who can't even function properly when her "owner" is around. Sure, this caring side is somewhat of an opposite of her "strong woman" image and would provide diversity, but there is such a gap and lack of integrity between these two sides she feels more like a character with two seperate personalities that are switched around in convinient intervals, instead of one single character with many personality aspects.

Krissirk said:


Can't agree with you anymore. Mikasa blushing made up for all that slow pacing for me.

Darklight0303 said:


So much butthurt.

Elite60 said:


Too bad you only see it this once even in the manga ><.

arimpact said:


Aaactually. There is a recent occurrence in one of the later chapters. Only it's sad.

Darklight0303 said:
Aaactually. There is a recent occurrence in one of the later chapters. Only it's sad.

markeo16 said:
I've noticed how bad all these human soldiers actually are.
They soldiers don't listen to orders and always try to argue.
When someone see's someone else get eaten, yes it's saddening but you go and have a nervous breakdown on the battlefield and get saved by someone else just before you get eaten.
Whenever someone goes on about a plan or says even something relevant to titans, there's always that one fully grown man crying saying he can't do this.
Most of them are pussies and really not well disciplined. I'm surprised they lasted this long.