Kakumeiki Valvrave Episode 10 Discussion

AnimageNeby said:


Yes, compared to SnK and gargantia (and even those falter sometimes), who also had fantasy/SF themes, this one is definitely not trying to be much internally consistent. As you pointed out, some things don't make much sense. That said, it was clear from the start this series was more meant to be 'fanciful', and just as you don't expect in-story consistency with series like Gintanama, you don't really expect much from the standpoint of in-story consistency or realistic settings/behaviour here. One has to set ones' level of suspension-of-disbeleieve quite high, but at least it also never raised such expectations.

As you said, it's still worth watching, certainly with the rather surprising twists they put in there now and then.

vampko said:

The problem is it's trying to be so serious while the writing continues to lose itself. And, the show started off completely and totally ridiculous. I actually would normally never watch a show like this, and wasn't planning to (I'm really not one for Mecha shows or Space Operas), but I gave it a chance, and the show was absolutely over the top and hilarious with a spice of seriousness. My sort of show. Then, it got to around episode 4 or so (or maybe it was 6?), and then they decided to completely shift the balance.
I mostly stick around for Shouko and Akira, and the occasional moment that has me laughing my head off xD
Like when Aika suddenly appeared all giant and stuff

Irenesharda said:


Here's the vid for all who didn't see it.

Marenwynn said:
Haruto is the one that got raped. Saki knew he wasn't in control of his body, but she let it happen. Her initial resistance was out of surprise and modesty. I don't know why people are saying she was overpowered because the anime made a point in showing us how easily she can stop his episodes. If she had to, she could have easily bitten him and body swapped to put an end to it. But no, she wraps her arms around him and takes his hand into hers.

HungLikeaZombie said:


truth! So everyone needs to quit blaming Haruto. Saki is CUNT!

HungLikeaZombie said:


truth! So everyone needs to quit blaming Haruto. Saki is CUNT!

el_putazo said:
Wait wut? When did that happen? I think I missed that part.

vampko said:

Was her name Aina? She had so little screentime, her name's hard to remebmer. The girl who died

Exblaster said:

Oh look! A attention seeking troll

yesy92 said:
I hope she's pregnant. I wanna see a space vampire baby.

LiquidGold said:
Read all 19 pages...incredibly entertaining.

renatoorigami said:
i just like the rape, every episode has things like that in valvrave, and there are some morrons says that valvrave is boring... poor people

vampko said:
The problem is it's trying to be so serious while the writing continues to lose itself. And, the show started off completely and totally ridiculous.

symbv said:
Actually I think it is more because you start off having this "this is completely and totally ridiculous" (note the absolutist language) and thus could not perceive it carrying some sense and direction. As some have commented here, this show needs quite a bit of suspension of disbelief, as it basically depicts some larger-than-life events and actions despite the youthful look of the characters (which are often presented as "plot twists" which demand certain suspension of disbelief). Once the expectation is tuned to this understanding, I would say that the story successfully conveyed its own sense of seriousness and can be seen developing in certain direction. I also am not into space opera or mecha but I must say that I find this anime pretty engaging and entertaining (in a convention sense not for mocking purpose)

el_putazo said:
Yeah her name is Aina. What I meant to ask is, in what episode did she appear as a giant?

vampko said:

When that guy was about to get lazered, suddenly you had her 'appear' and save him, after which a giant beam decimates everything xD

Hydnlife said:
WTF IS UP WITH THIS SHOW? a war is coming nah fuck that is time for a school festival SERIOUSLY WTF?

no sense at all in this show, we just throw random event when we want fuck what going on as long as we're have a good time. SMH FFS FACEPLAM one dude bring up the one true fact about what going and they basiclly tell em to stfu. and let it rock. this ahhhhh this is just for laugh at this time.

AND FOR JUST GOOD MEASURE LET'S ADD A LITTLE RAPE IN. OMG THIS SHOW LOL #YOLO #SWAG #420 #FACEPALM

vorumzo said:
why is everyone calling this episode boring just, because there wasn't any mechs.

AnimageNeby said:
I mean...imagine you are being controlled by some nanobots or other technology and *you* have no control over your body, but something else is (or it removes your conscience entirely)... even if your body f- somebody, would it still be your fault and you bear the responsibility of the actions someone/something else takes *with* your body?

ManusDomini said:


Three responses:

1} Saki was clearly raped. Whether it was Haruto or the Valvrave who raped her makes little difference. And, legally, it was Haruto's body which raped Saki.

2} Acquiescence after giving up doesn't make this not rape.

3} I was attempting to avoid this entire discussion and talk about some other parts of the show.

Rykee said:
Valvrave the Raper. If there was some tentacles in the rape it would look better... wait, enough internet for today.

FiveOVER said:
This episode is too painful to watch considering all the potential and already inflicted pain and suffering on Saki, Haruto and Shoko from just one night. I feel as if everything in Valvrave just turned upside down and things are heading for the worse. The results of the election and the students’ reactions only served to reinforce my belief that they are all heading towards one big bad end.
Usually an episode that manages to create so much emotional turmoil is a plus, but Valvrave took it too far with it and I failed to enjoy this episode as a result. Hopefully I can recover myself in time for the finale….

After thinking about it for an entire night, I can finally find a word that could describe my feelings when I watched the scene. I was utterly horrified. Never thought I’d find a new type of horror in anime…



Imo, both of them were raped since both of them were forced into the act without consent.



I think the word you're looking for is "rapist".

solarhiro said:


I'm sorry i can be quite slow at some times, But mind Explaining what exactly do you mean? ._.

Do you mean that to much Crap happen'd at once

Or

"Omg! Omg! Dis won't end well! I can't look!!!"

Or perhaps Rape was just simply to far for you and out of your comfort zone? ._.

FiveOVER said:


I was thinking of all the sadness and pain that would be brought about from this incident.

Haruto would most likely enter a relationship with Saki out of obligation and would drift further and further away from Shoko. Not being able to be with the person he loved while forcing himself to date Saki is going to be a terrible outcome. Haruto's whole life has to be ruined while shouldering the price and responsibilities of a Valvrave pilot. Not to mention he's the only want that have his body controlled by the curse.

Saki, on the other hand suffered a great amount of trauma from the rape. It didn't help that she was raped by the person she likes and have no one to blame but herself for this turn of events. She did signed the contract without even thinking about price to pay. And then even if she gets to be with Haruto, She knows that Haruto's heart will always be with Shouko and he is only taking responsibility for something that he was not as fault to begin with. She will feel equally guilty since Haruto is also a victim here.

When giving the speech, Shoko saying that she would confess to Haruto while the rape scene plays is just plain torture for the audience that actually cares about the characters. Knowing that she would be rejected and having her hopes crushed like that and at the same time not knowing the reason and pain that Haruto holds further tightens the knot on my heart.

So at the end, I'm just saying that these turn of events are way too depressing for me. I guess I'm just being too emotional over some fictional characters,

FiveOVER said:


I was thinking of all the sadness and pain that would be brought about from this incident.

Haruto would most likely enter a relationship with Saki out of obligation and would drift further and further away from Shoko. Not being able to be with the person he loved while forcing himself to date Saki is going to be a terrible outcome. Haruto's whole life has to be ruined while shouldering the price and responsibilities of a Valvrave pilot. Not to mention he's the only want that have his body controlled by the curse.

Saki, on the other hand suffered a great amount of trauma from the rape. It didn't help that she was raped by the person she likes and have no one to blame but herself for this turn of events. She did signed the contract without even thinking about price to pay. And then even if she gets to be with Haruto, She knows that Haruto's heart will always be with Shouko and he is only taking responsibility for something that he was not as fault to begin with. She will feel equally guilty since Haruto is also a victim here.

When giving the speech, Shoko saying that she would confess to Haruto while the rape scene plays is just plain torture for the audience that actually cares about the characters. Knowing that she would be rejected and having her hopes crushed like that and at the same time not knowing the reason and pain that Haruto holds further tightens the knot on my heart.

So at the end, I'm just saying that these turn of events are way too depressing for me. I guess I'm just being too emotional over some fictional characters,

Kaioshin_Sama said:
This thread is hands down the worst most insultingly dumb thread on this episode of any board I've seen in this entire week so far. That's an astounding accomplishment of ignorance. Once again MAL has proved it has one of the worst userbases on the internet. Like pretty much 90% shitposting and what barely amount to sentences.

solarhiro said:

Logic, <.< I'm pretty sure everyone should know by now that anime IN GENERAL does not Follow Logic I mean how many have we watched where we have blinked. Paused the Video. questioned if we read that right. Rewind. Confirmed. Scratch head go "Da fuq?". Name one anime where you couldn't take a number 2 Pencil and take an occasional jab/stab at the proverbial wall called "Logic/Plot" And i will bet my left testy either A.) Doesn't Exist or B.) Boring as dirt, Cause i mean Honestly.

Would you watch it if it was logical?

Jyagan said:


Can you give us an example of what is a good fanbase to you? Because as far as I am seeing it, you are the only one that is White Knighting this plot as a denied literature nobel prize.

It can't be worst than a To-lo-ve-ru thread where that 90% of the posts is composed of "dat ass", "fap" or similar.



Maybe the most series that gets close to bring down that wall is Planetes (Heh, a Sunrise adaptation). As categorized as Hard Sci-fi, the series tries to be as scientifically accurate as it can, taking account into detailed things that could happen in space like the absence of sound, side effects of prolonged exposition and growing disorders in a low gravity enviroment. Even as a recurrent joke, they poke about the use of astronaut diapers due of the long periods of time being outside in orbit cleaning space debris.

The plot convenience comes with the situations where the protagonists are involved. Maybe there is conflict between trying to justify the actions of the characters and trying to put yourself into the characters shoes thinking "I would do this and that" and it's easy to do that because they are common humans working to get their penny for the day.