jmal said: Since its easy to assume the v1-2 REs will be the best selling of the REs, the RE average (currently 943) is bound to drop quite a bit. Maybe down to 500-600. So the big question becomes, if not many people are buying the REs, but v1-2 are still thousands and thousands of sales below where they realistically should be, what's going on? Either resellers are making a killing, or the Bandai Store encore press (not reported to Oricon, so not counted) has pushed like 5-6k discs of each volume, leaving little appetite for the REs. There has to be some explanation because I just do not believe there are 5k+ Girlpan fans out there with v3-5 who are content to never own v1-2. It will also be interesting to see how much v5 can realistically add after starting off so high. I mean when you sell almost as much opening week as v3 sold in 11 weeks, either the stock situation was somehow even worse than we thought or it's going to add far far less discs in wk2 onward than v3-4. It depends how many will be added when the mid-ranking list comes out. It will probably not be much at all due to the relatively low thresholds with a Top 100 weekly BD list now. v1 must have ranked outside the Top 200 a few times... but that would've not lost as much considering sales should be pretty low for >200 rank. I suspect it is just as you said... Bandai probably did receive several thousand orders to make the encore pressing viable to do. Some GaruPan fans would have cancelled their orders of the SE/RE in favour of the encore pressing for those bonuses bundled. And then there are the fans that were picked up along the way (after v1 LE was completely inflated in price on Amazon) who would've went for the encore pressing as well I suspect. There are some who would've been ignorant of an encore pressing happening at all or didn't care about the bonuses bundled at all. The ones who wanted the better quality BD version over the DVD, were the ones who bought the SE/RE. |
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jmal said: Ejc said: It depends how many will be added when the mid-ranking list comes out. It will probably not be much at all due to the relatively low thresholds with a Top 100 weekly BD list now. v1 must have ranked outside the Top 200 a few times... but that would've not lost as much considering sales should be pretty low for >200 rank. Right, this will account for virtually nothing. Maybe 1k if we're lucky. Nowhere near the sheer magnitude of this shortfall, which is probably the biggest I have ever seen in my time watching sales... That's so unfortunate... but what were they thinking, in selling more copies through the Bandai Visual Store instead of say HMV, Amazon, etc? I don't think people would mind if they took a bit longer to actually press more copies to fulfil the demand. I'm sure it wasn't just in their good faith for the conclusion of the TV anime broadcast. |
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| still cant believe LB in the list. but i'm so glad.. maybe refrain will be better. XD |
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jmal said: Ejc said: That's so unfortunate... but what were they thinking, in selling more copies through the Bandai Visual Store instead of say HMV, Amazon, etc? I imagine selling through your own store = much higher profit margin, since you're not giving a retailer a big cut. Normally you can't just do this because you need the retailers' distribution power (and buyers expect at least some discounts) but this is a special case where the demand was high enough that they could get away with it. Plus it probably also saved time not shipping to retailers. True, I didn't think of all the logistics costs of selling and distributing anime. This way also provided reassurance of an actual set date of delivery for the customers rather than continuing to take orders on Amazon and god knows when they would get delivered considering the demand. And yes, while it probably provided a higher profit margin, it also prevents resellers from just buying up all the stock on Amazon and making a further killing in reselling. I'm pretty sure a fair chunk of that restock at HMV earlier this year was bought up by the resellers. |
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ryshin said: Honestly I can't believe people were disappointed in season 1. I'm not sure if it is just in vogue to hate it because it isn't Refrain or isn't somehow exactly the same as the VN or what. I just watched BD 6 tonight (had seen it a few times on Crunchy already) and it is another beautiful arc, so emotional! Gorgeous visually with wonderful sound on Bluray. Won't mention plot stuff in this thread, people hate that but... wow, I am just so impressed by this one from the OP to the ED (including the seiyuu version of the ED in 18 and they included a non-credit version, yeah!) and the stories and characters in between. Just love all the Little Busters! Can't wait for Refrain but I am very pleased with season 1 and will treasure the discs and illustration galleries in the booklets with the secrets.still cant believe LB in the list. but i'm so glad.. maybe refrain will be better. XD I'm just glad enough people bought it so they are doing Refrain! Would have been a shame if too many had stayed away from this season. Glad I helped make it happen in a small way, buying all the discs so far. Just a pain about the extra episode with the 800 yen shipping silliness. Wish they'd change their mind and just put it on disc 9... |
hpulleyJun 6, 2013 7:05 PM
| I think people who were dissapointed with LB season 1 thought that they will get the same feeling as when they were watching Clannad,Air,Kanon or Angel Beats |
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Raniero said: Honestly I find it much more rewatchable than Angel Beats. Because it isn't finished yet you can't expect the end of season 1 to be as high impact as the end of Angel Beats.I think people who were dissapointed with LB season 1 thought that they will get the same feeling as when they were watching Clannad,Air,Kanon or Angel Beats Think Clannad without After Story... yet. |
Raniero said: I think people who were dissapointed with LB season 1 thought that they will get the same feeling as when they were watching Clannad,Air,Kanon or Angel Beats To me, it was more like a build up to Refrain which I can't wait to see in animated soon ^_____^ |
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Wow... The fervor stirred up by the publication of the last volume of OreImo (with the much talked about ending) indeed has an impact on the disc sales. The release date of the novel is today and after this afternoon the BD vol.1 ranking has been moving up and it is now above every other titles except Shingeki no Kyojin... The novel has also gone out of stock in Amazon ! This is the graph for OreImo2 v1 in Amazon BD ranking from 20:00 yesterday to 20:00 today. |
symbvJun 7, 2013 5:44 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I've read that the final ending will be in the short novel included with BD1, that alone would increase sales I would think. |
jmal said: As you said, there is no announcement of inclusion of event tickets in the BD/DVD, so I doubt this announcement has much impact to the BD sales itself. On balance I am inclined to think the release of the last volume has a lot more impact because those who were unsure before may now feel confident in placing the order now that the ending is clear and known, though the effect of the event announcement can never be fully dismissed I'd agree. ^ Do keep in mind that an event was just announced today for OreImo as well. hpulley said: That is more like an epilogue as the title of the short novel is "Reunion in the 10th year". I've read that the final ending will be in the short novel included with BD1, that alone would increase sales I would think. Is the inclusion of this short novel also announced today I wonder? If it is, then I would say that this would surely spur interest, particularly after the ending in the novel gets so much attention. |
symbvJun 7, 2013 6:09 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: hpulley said: That is more like an epilogue as the title of the short novel is "Reunion in the 10th year". I've read that the final ending will be in the short novel included with BD1, that alone would increase sales I would think. Is the inclusion of this short novel also announced today I wonder? If it is, then I would say that this would surely spur interest, particularly after the ending in the novel gets so much attention. There was a news announcement on the official OreImo website stating that changes have been made to BD/DVD v1. ●2013.06.07 BD&DVD１巻情報追加！ Blu-ray&DVD第１巻の情報を追加いたしました！ いよいよ６月１９日に発売となる第１巻、 伏見先生によるオーディオドラマ２本、 ショートムービー、そして特典小説にご期待ください！ 詳細はコチラから I can see that that title has indeed been added in I suspect... 原作者：伏見つかさ書き下ろし短編小説 『十年目の再会』 The listing on Amazon doesn't mention the added title in at all. Amazon said: ★原作者:伏見つかさ書き下ろし短編小説 |
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| ^ In this case, then perhaps this novel is an even bigger reason of the BD v1's rise in Amazon ranking than the release of the last volume of the novel. But then that short novel may not gather so much attention if the ending of the novel had not got so much attention and discussions... I guess the marketing has done quite a good job of stoking the interest of the BD by announcing the short novel extra on the same day when the novel is released. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Regarding the OreImo short story (not novel), solicitations usually won't get updated barring certain circumstances (like the inclusion of the extra discs for Railgun v1/v5), so I wouldn't expect to see it change. This is why people cite the official site's listings rather than Amazon's. The short story is titled "Ten Year Reunion" so people may expect it to be an epilogue (though the description does not clarify when in-storyline the story takes place). |
ultimatemegax said: In fact some people think it may be actually a troll because it may as well be something different from what most people think -- it could be the 10 year reunion of Saori's sister's circle for example, or even Kirino's classmates in kindergarten coming back together LOLThe short story is titled "Ten Year Reunion" so people may expect it to be an epilogue (though the description does not clarify when in-storyline the story takes place). |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
hpulley said: And I can't believe how people can like it :Pryshin said: Honestly I can't believe people were disappointed in season 1. I'm not sure if it is just in vogue to hate it because it isn't Refrain or isn't somehow exactly the same as the VN or what. I just watched BD 6 tonight (had seen it a few times on Crunchy already) and it is another beautiful arc, so emotional! Gorgeous visually with wonderful sound on Bluray. Won't mention plot stuff in this thread, people hate that but... wow, I am just so impressed by this one from the OP to the ED (including the seiyuu version of the ED in 18 and they included a non-credit version, yeah!) and the stories and characters in between. Just love all the Little Busters! Can't wait for Refrain but I am very pleased with season 1 and will treasure the discs and illustration galleries in the booklets with the secrets.still cant believe LB in the list. but i'm so glad.. maybe refrain will be better. XD I'm just glad enough people bought it so they are doing Refrain! Would have been a shame if too many had stayed away from this season. Glad I helped make it happen in a small way, buying all the discs so far. Just a pain about the extra episode with the 800 yen shipping silliness. Wish they'd change their mind and just put it on disc 9... I dropped the show after what's-her-name-Chihiro-clone arc because anime was simply bad in every single aspect. Weak characterization and story, drama unable to leave any impact on viewer, unfunny comedy, usual JC Staff's mediocre art (or maybe even slightly worse)... I really wanted to like LB! because I heard a lot of good about the VN and wanted to see JC Staff doing something decently for once (after all, they are capable of it - see Ano Natsu) but no, it was just bad anime in my eyes. I played a little of VN for comparison (an hour?) and it seemed leagues better than adaptation. Kitchiri said: You seem to forget there's a lot of strategy in Saki. Obviously not as much as in Akagi or Ten but there's plenty of it. Also, the whole competitive mood.No, it is psychic battle animation. Majong is fuckin gambling, and Saki has psychic power of getting 嶺上開花 which has probability of 0.07439% For instance, no-one calls Prince of Tennis sports manga any more. Same for this. Well, we know that Saki herself is overpowered since beginning but it isn't the case for other characters and it's extremely enjoyable to read/watch how girls combine their skills with powers to counter others and try achieve their goals. Saki is sports manga, but with introduction of special powers. |
ProgeuszJun 7, 2013 6:51 AM
| ^ I have never played the visual novel, but I think I enjoy LB! anime pretty much. The comedy more funny than not (yes it has its hits and misses); the art ranges from ok to quite good, and I like the color scheme and palette; the music really good (I heard most of it is from the game); and though I do not feel touched by the story (a bit forced or surreal to me) but it does not get on my nerve either; the character design quite appealing (and I think look better than those in the VN). I never let any thought of Clannad or KyoAni vs JC Staff etc bother me, as I never think this could lead to anything helpful in my enjoyment. Interestingly you quoted Ano Natsu as something JC Staff did decently and it is one anime that I almost dropped near the end lol (mostly for story reason but there are other factors too). I guess different people just have different standard and taste. Anyway, I do look forward to Refrain if it ever comes though. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I mostly can't believe that people are surprised that Little Busters! BD6 sold when the first 5 volumes have average sales over 10000! They were surprised it was in a list with a threshold of just over 2000... Obviously there are 10000 people who like it enough to buy it and keep on buying it. This is the same as the people who are surprised that SAO is selling. Would 35000 people who bought it before suddenly decide not to complete their collection? That just doesn't happen very often... unless they pull a Magi... |
| @symb, I might be a little biased because Onegai Teacher is one of first romance anime I watched (or maybe first one?) and Ano Natsu is... how to say it, not remake but... spiritual heir? It's more or less done by the same people but with ten years (same day and month of 1st ep airing, just ten years difference) more experience and it shows. Anime is more subtle, doesn't have as 'forced' scenes, characters are behaving in more natural way. Visual side is simply perfect, genius directing, camera angles etc. 8thSin described it well, see http://8ths.in/ano-natsu-de-matteru-ep5-observations/ and his other posts. The main flaw of Ano Natsu is main heroine - they stepped down from exciting taboo teacher x student romance to boring senpai x kouhai. Ichika was also incredibly bland by herself despite her origins and hair color (:P) while Mizuho was very interesting character. Couple this with Kanna being much better than her counterpart from ten years ago and disappointment of viewers is to be expected (this time worst girl won instead of best one). Plot got a little silly toward the end too but that's not a problem. Ano natsu could also benefit from more conclusive ending which Onegai Teacher had. One could say that Ano Natsu is denied greatness by current times in which conclusive endings are no-go and romance should be between highschoolers only. @hpulley, ryshin used "still" so I'd assume he knows how previous vols sold and just wanted to show his surprise isn't over yet. |
| I do agree that Ano Natsu is a spiritual heir to Onegai Teacher and in many aspects it does a much better job than Onegai (though Onegai seems to have got much more popularity at its time). Visually I have no complaint and the animation/sakuga (that includes the camera angles) is also handled well. That said, I have ambivalent feeling with the directing and the series composition, and then the character design is not something I feel warm to, and I definitely agree that the main flaw is the main heroine, but I would add the MC as well. Two of the most important characters in the cast get some thumb down from me (and I also feel let down by the unrequited love that keeps dragging on for the other two sub characters) is almost enough to kill my interest. But as I said, too all its own ;-) BTW, OreImo2 v1 is still creeping up and has now broken new high at #12 ~~~~~ |
symbvJun 7, 2013 7:46 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| *9, 1,172 *,**5,416 009 Re:Cyborg Still waiting for the sub version |
| Oreimo novel 12 is completely sold out but here come the 1 star reviews! Overall rating is 3/5 but 29/89 reviews are 1 star, 26 are 5 star and coming in quickly. Get the ending you want, 5 star, not the one you wanted, 1 star... Ratings stuff hasn't hit the BDs yet, just the 12th novel so far so not pulling a Kokoro Connect/Sakurasou yet, if it will at all. |
hpulleyJun 7, 2013 10:36 AM
| Very sad about Nyaruko-san W's lower sales.. I happen to find this season to be even better than the first, because it has slightly more "plot." There goes my hope for a season 3. ;___; |
jmal said: And yet here comes...OtakuGirl01 said: Very sad about Nyaruko-san W's lower sales.. I happen to find this season to be even better than the first, because it has slightly more "plot." There goes my hope for a season 3. ;___; Retaining buyers for comedy sequels seems to be seriously tough. Lately Ikamusume, Milky Holmes, Nyaruko, and it also looks like Azazel-san is going to suffer the same fate. http://myanimelist.net/anime/17267/Futari_wa_Milky_Holmes So you never know! |
hpulley said: I mostly can't believe that people are surprised that Little Busters! BD6 sold when the first 5 volumes have average sales over 10000! They were surprised it was in a list with a threshold of just over 2000... Obviously there are 10000 people who like it enough to buy it and keep on buying it. This is the same as the people who are surprised that SAO is selling. Would 35000 people who bought it before suddenly decide not to complete their collection? That just doesn't happen very often... unless they pull a Magi... Some people don't get that the rest of the world doesn't revolve around them and their butthurt and they don't get just how powerful a name brand that's already popular can be in bringing in preorders for adaptations. In Little Busters case they just don't get that it not being Kyoani isn't going to suddenly mean next to no popularity and sales and likewise with SAO just cause a number of people are super butthurt about it and it's sister series accel world being popular doesn't mean it's suddenly not going to sell. You pretty much have to outright betray the source material in egregious fashion in order to actually have a major dropoff like your Magi example. |
| It's good to see Evangelion 3.33 still in the top 10, nice desu ne. |
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| I'm amazed by the reception of OreImo. At least all the Hataraku volumes are doing well in the top 100. It's my second favorite show this season. |
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| OreImo2 v1 is now NUMBER 2 in Amazon ranking and outranks Shingeki no Kyojin v1 (which is #4). Amazing... IIRC this is the first time an anime this season climbed above SnK (not counting Railgun2 which was a re-entry under an updated format) BTW #1 is Koto no Ha no Niwa... |
symbvJun 8, 2013 6:07 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: OreImo2 v1 is now NUMBER 2 in Amazon ranking and outranks Shingeki no Kyojin v1 (which is #4). I wonder if it will hit #1? All the other volumes and the DVD v1 have had substantial rises because of the pulling effect I guess. EDIT: The rise is getting fiercer, lol. 2013年6月9日 1時38分47秒 **2位/**2位 ★ (**8,842 pt) [*,*82予約] 13/06/19 俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。 1(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray] *14位/*16位 ★ (**1,868 pt) [*,**7予約] 13/10/23 俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。 5(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray] *28位/*32位 ★ (**3,300 pt) [*,*15予約] 13/09/25 俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。 4(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray] *36位/*52位 ★ (**4,700 pt) [*,*32予約] 13/07/24 俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。 2(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray] *38位/*53位 ★ (**4,248 pt) [*,*29予約] 13/08/21 俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。 3(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray] *84位/*89位 ○ (**1,343 pt) [*,**8予約] 13/06/19 俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。 1(完全生産限定版) [DVD] |
EjcJun 8, 2013 9:52 AM
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symbv said: Amazing, I didn't think that controversy like this would be good marketing in Japan but it seems I'm wrong. I still won't buy it but that's just me... Is there something special in volume #5 that makes it rank higher than the rest other than #1?OreImo2 v1 is now NUMBER 2 in Amazon ranking and outranks Shingeki no Kyojin v1 (which is #4). Amazing... IIRC this is the first time an anime this season climbed above SnK (not counting Railgun2 which was a re-entry under an updated format) BTW #1 is Koto no Ha no Niwa... Also seems I'm wrong about downloads ruining sales. With Koto no Ha no Niwa selling the BD (or a different version?) in theatres on day one and it being ripped and uploaded the same day I thought for sure sales would tank but it seems I couldn't be more wrong! Glad for it, hope the real sales reflect it. Mine is preordered, always love his work, beautifully done. |
hpulleyJun 8, 2013 6:24 AM
hpulley said: Amazing, I didn't think that controversy like this would be good marketing in Japan but it seems I'm wrong. I still won't buy it but that's just me... Is there something special in volume #5 that makes it rank higher than the rest other than #1? OreImo is getting staggered solicitations on Amazon. v5 was only added on May 31... so that is probably the reason why it is ranked higher relative to earlier volumes atm. |
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| Oreimo2 BD1 now at #1... **1位/**1位 ★ (**9,003 pt) [*,*82予約] 13/06/19 俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。 1(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray] **2位/**2位 ★ (*13,525 pt) [*,*48予約] 13/06/21 劇場アニメーション『言の葉の庭』 Blu-ray 【サウンドトラックCD付】 |
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| ***,**1位/***,**1位 ★ (**9,339 pt) [*,*82予約] 2013/06/19 俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。 1(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray] Damn. The ending and the bonus really made an impact on the preorders |
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| Something seems to be wrong with UtaPrince2 DVD v1 in Amazon. It has stopped taking orders and its ranking has dropped continuously since Friday, from 30-something to over 200 now. I wonder what happens.... BD v1 is fine though. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Something seems to be wrong with UtaPrince2 DVD v1 in Amazon. It has stopped taking orders and its ranking has dropped continuously since Friday, from 30-something to over 200 now. I wonder what happens.... BD v1 is fine though. It seems like it will be replaced by a new entry i'm guessing... The entry state is exactly the same as for Railgun 2 and Eva 3.33 back then. |
EjcJun 9, 2013 9:06 AM
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| ^ Replacement by a new entry is possible, but why only DVD but not BD I wonder? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: ^ Replacement by a new entry is possible, but why only DVD but not BD I wonder? I think they want to boost the DVD rather than the BD. The BD costs more to produce than the DVD I imagine... with both at the same RRP. So they will probably add some extra on the DVD to make up some of the difference in production costs I guess, and to make it more attractive for the female audience. |
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| ***,**1位/***,**1位 ★ (*12,070 pt) [*,*91予約] 2013/06/19 俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。 1(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray] I'm still amazed by OreImo. What a huge boost |
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Raniero said: ***,**1位/***,**1位 ★ (*12,070 pt) [*,*91予約] 2013/06/19 俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。 1(完全生産限定版) [Blu-ray] I'm still amazed by OreImo. What a huge boost Yet it has nothing to do with what the show did itself so much as circumstances surrounding its light novel ending. It just continues to depress me that getting popularity and media sales is apparently as easy as having the right cute moe girl pair up with the guy at the right time. I'd like to be able to argue that anime on average succeeds because of good storytelling and strong overall production values, but it gets harder and harder to argue that all the time. Nowadays it's all seemingly about the A-1 formula. Have a strong pre-installed fanbase for the work you are licensing and just do whatever with it and hope the source works already massive popularity can see you through to a profit. SAO, Magi and now this...... I can only call this a bad omen on the season. Thankfully it isn't always like this, but you'll find me hard pressed to claim that A-1 is doing anything I consider positive for the growth of the anime scene these days. Amazing how they went from one of the companies I was most hopeful for having a breakout period of high quality adaptations that are of interest to me to one of my most disliked companies in terms of their practices and execution in a little over a year. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: I think it is a lot more than that because if it is the case why don't we see huge jump like this for shows like Sakurasou, which also saw the novel approaching the end with the right cute moe girl paired up with the guy as the anime was aired. Things you dismissed as "easy" may not be that "easy". Yet it has nothing to do with what the show did itself so much as circumstances surrounding its light novel ending. It just continues to depress me that getting popularity and media sales is apparently as easy as having the right cute moe girl pair up with the guy at the right time. Kaioshin_Sama said: You can't because it is never really that simple. Many western fans like to obsess about story/plot or storytelling, but I have argued before that this is always just one of the many factors people consider when they consider whether to buy its discs and it may not even be the biggest factor they consider. And does it mean that they are wrong? I don't think so, because if, after factoring in all aspects of the anime, they decide that it is worth their money despite a not-so-strong story or storytelling, I don't think we are there to judge them. And it is similar for production values. Strong production values can boost attention and raise interest, but at the end we also know that just strong production values can sometimes be not enough, just like just having a bunch of cute girls or lots of moe elements can often be insufficient to make an anime an auto success. At the end there is the balance thing, and it can be elusive, which is why you may say it is 'easy' but still studios and production companies are still struggling to find the formula that can make a successful anime more like a certainty.I'd like to be able to argue that anime on average succeeds because of good storytelling and strong overall production values, but it gets harder and harder to argue that all the time. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I think it is a lot more than that because if it is the case why don't we see huge jump like this for shows like Sakurasou, which also saw the novel approaching the end with the right cute moe girl paired up with the guy as the anime was aired. Things you dismissed as "easy" may not be that "easy". Yet it has nothing to do with what the show did itself so much as circumstances surrounding its light novel ending. It just continues to depress me that getting popularity and media sales is apparently as easy as having the right cute moe girl pair up with the guy at the right time. Kaioshin_Sama said: You can't because it is never really that simple. Many western fans like to obsess about story/plot or storytelling, but I have argued before that this is always just one of the many factors people consider when they consider whether to buy its discs and it may not even be the biggest factor they consider. And does it mean that they are wrong? I don't think so, because if, after factoring in all aspects of the anime, they decide that it is worth their money despite a not-so-strong story or storytelling, I don't think we are there to judge them. And it is similar for production values. Strong production values can boost attention and raise interest, but at the end we also know that just strong production values can sometimes be not enough, just like just having a bunch of cute girls or lots of moe elements can often be insufficient to make an anime an auto success. At the end there is the balance thing, and it can be elusive, which is why you may say it is 'easy' but still studios and production companies are still struggling to find the formula that can make a successful anime more like a certainty.I'd like to be able to argue that anime on average succeeds because of good storytelling and strong overall production values, but it gets harder and harder to argue that all the time. There's definitely a certain formula and combination of elements that seems to work better than others at any given time (right now it's a combination of idols, imouto/onii-chan relationships and hyper-competent bordering on omniscient leading characters who always seem to have things go their way), but it's definitely true that sometimes it feels more like just rolling a D20 and hoping for the best. It just seems like a lot of the time the stuff that is very successful (at least in terms of media sales) in anime happens to be stuff that I have strong personal reasons for disliking on a whole. I'd say it's about 50/50 between stuff that I have strong positive feelings for and stuff that I have strong negative feelings for so maybe there's something to be said for a correlation with anime that seem to evoke strong feelings from fans in general positive or negative and high Amazon chart positions. I'm not sure I can agree right now that it seems to be balance that's the key because it's usually the series that I find to be well-balanced that I see doing poor to average in terms of tapping the collectors market. Instead it seems to be the series that are tilted specifically towards catering to a specific fetish or idea that seem to get the most attention and ultimately make the charts. |
PeacingOutJun 9, 2013 11:18 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: I just think that we should not judge anime any different from judging other popular entertainment, like pop music or movies. At the end there will be songs and movies, perhaps even the majority of them, that we think do not worth their success and then there are many of them we would think do not deserve their obscurity. If anything, I would advocate a more lenient view for the anime simply because it is from a culture that are foreign to us (thus we need to bear in mind that we may be judging it by our own cultural preference and sensibility) and because the market and size of fandom is much more restricted (Japanese anime market is smaller than its manga market which in turn is smaller than the movie or music market which in turn is much smaller than the English-speaking movie or music market or English-speaking comics market -- which means taste-wise it can be a very niche affair). It just seems like a lot of the time the stuff that is very successful (at least in terms of media sales) in anime happens to be stuff that I have strong personal reasons for disliking on a whole. Kaioshin_Sama said: "Balance" is a subjective word -- we have to bear this in mind. When I said "balance" it is "balance" from the fans' point of view. So you may think that fan service is not needed at all, or even a bad thing to have in general, fans may deem it one factor they need to include when they decide whether to buy the discs. But on the other hand, too much fan service moments would destroy the "balance" in their view, so an anime that goes too far on that direction, at the expense of say story (even though those fans may not put overly high priority to story, it does not mean they do not care about story at all -- again "balance" is in play), may end up failingl to sell.I'm not sure I can agree right now that it seems to be balance that's the key because it's usually the series that I find to be well-balanced that I see doing poor to average in terms of tapping the collectors market. Instead it seems to be the series that are tilted specifically towards catering to a specific fetish or idea that seem to get the most attention and ultimately make the charts. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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