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Ncrdrg said: linchpin said: @Ncrdrg The Evolvers WERE NOT MODIFYING ANYONE FORCIBLY (I.E. WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT) The were a number of countries that supported them. They had VOLUNTEERS. Nowhere it was said that they were experimenting on people without their consent. You're mistaken in other points too, but this is the most important one. What about the little girl? Or are you gonna argue with me that this little girl actually had a choice? Because if you do, you're gonna have to tell me that statutory rape is wrong to stay consistent because minors can't consent to such things. Too young to understand what's happening. But let's say their ethical concerns stop there (I have my doubts about that though, why else would they hide what they were doing to the point it had to be leaked?). It doesn't change that the Union attempted to leave Earth and never come back. That's trying to run from the fight. At this point, the Evolvers could have stayed and then lived in space as they wished while the Union would live in peace elsewhere. But we all know that's not what they did. So if they had any moral high ground, they lost it all right there. Her Papa was squidified, so she probably wanted to be with her family. Is it ethical for parents to choose squidification for their family to be able to go into space? You could argue about the ethics of this, but she didn't seem unhappy. Anyway... The CU WERE NOT RUNNING AWAY FROM THE EVOLVERS. They were planning to strand them on Earth and gain a headstart in the Universe. Fai explained this before. The Evolvers had no means of interstellar travel at that time. |
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| Looks like Continental Union/Galactic Alliance is kinda at the wrong side here imho.. But, I'm wondering though why Hideauze killed Pinion's aniki, cos as we know Gargantia is neutral here,isn't it? |
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2easy4AgEnT said: Looks like Continental Union/Galactic Alliance is kinda at the wrong side here imho.. But, I'm wondering though why Hideauze killed Pinion's aniki, cos as we know Gargantia is neutral here,isn't it? they are like animals now. Simple as that. Anything not them is a potential enemy and he was in their nest |
Ncrdrg said: linchpin said: The CU WERE NOT RUNNING AWAY FROM THE EVOLVERS. They were planning to strand them on Earth and gain a headstart in the Universe. Fai explained this before. The Evolvers had no means of interstellar travel at that time. Yes, they were. They intended to leave them on Earth, yes. But they could live in space, so where exactly is the problem with that? The intention behind self-destructing the gate is clearly to leave and never come back. Doesn't matter if they did it because they think they're a disease. They were getting the hell of here and didn't want to be followed. That's going away and making damn sure your enemy ain't gonna follow you. So unless you start showing me proof they intended to grow into space to come back and wipe them out, I'm gonna have to call BS on that. The moment the evolvers raided the gate, they became the aggressor in this war. Let's dumb this down to layman terms then, since you are clearly not getting it. Imagine its New World colonisation time we had in our history, you have Spain and , France and Great Britain as the countries who want to reach the new world. Now imagine that one of the three countries somehow found a way to get to new continent TEN YEARS before the other two. What would the other two FIND when ten years latter they manage to get to American continent? A well established colony of that one nation that has all those resources at their disposal and a decent infrastructure , both things something the two leftover countries had no way of getting. Now imagine the said dominant country who just took over a whole continent of precious resources also happened to be incredibly nationalistic counting the other two as inferior species. What happens next? Spain and France burn and ALL HEIL BRITANNIA. Its the same situation, except you have outer-space instead of new continent and Continental Union as the fascist country. Getting a 200 000 year headstart for CU meant they have that much time to expand and harvest ANY resources they might find and to plan their eradication of "impure species". That's like taking Hitler at the end of WWII an sending nazi's to the moon. Hey they are not on earth anymore, right? What can go wrong? |
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Fai said: Ncrdrg said: linchpin said: The CU WERE NOT RUNNING AWAY FROM THE EVOLVERS. They were planning to strand them on Earth and gain a headstart in the Universe. Fai explained this before. The Evolvers had no means of interstellar travel at that time. Yes, they were. They intended to leave them on Earth, yes. But they could live in space, so where exactly is the problem with that? The intention behind self-destructing the gate is clearly to leave and never come back. Doesn't matter if they did it because they think they're a disease. They were getting the hell of here and didn't want to be followed. That's going away and making damn sure your enemy ain't gonna follow you. So unless you start showing me proof they intended to grow into space to come back and wipe them out, I'm gonna have to call BS on that. The moment the evolvers raided the gate, they became the aggressor in this war. Let's dumb this down to layman terms then, since you are clearly not getting it. Imagine its New World colonisation time we had in our history, you have Spain and , France and Great Britain as the countries who want to reach the new world. Now imagine that one of the three countries somehow found a way to get to new continent TEN YEARS before the other two. What would the other two FIND when ten years latter they manage to get to American continent? A well established colony of that one nation that has all those resources at their disposal and a decent infrastructure , both things something the two leftover countries had no way of getting. Now imagine the said dominant country who just took over a whole continent of precious resources also happened to be incredibly nationalistic counting the other two as inferior species. What happens next? Spain and France burn and ALL HEIL BRITANNIA. Its the same situation, except you have outer-space instead of new continent and Continental Union as the fascist country. Getting a 200 000 year headstart for CU meant they have that much time to expand and harvest ANY resources they might find and to plan their eradication of "impure species". That's like taking Hitler at the end of WWII an sending nazi's to the moon. Hey they are not on earth anymore, right? What can go wrong? There's a fuckin infinite universe for the taking and the Hideauze need a lot less to populate it than the CU who would have had to spend a lot of time adapting their tech to whatever new worlds they would find. You can't compare a constrained space like the planet to the entire universe. |
Darklight0303 said: There's a fuckin infinite universe for the taking and the Hideauze need a lot less to populate it than the CU who would have had to spend a lot of time adapting their tech to whatever new worlds they would find. You can't compare a constrained space like the planet to the entire universe. That would work if CU did not have an infiniboner at eradicating the impure. Not to mention the fact that any resourceful planet BEYOND solar system is well...FAR. You do know that there's quite big gap of, well, NOTHING in between the solar systems, right? 200 000 Years to reach closest habitable planet. 81 thousand to 19 thousand YEARS to reach closest star.. What would alliance do during that time? Most likely expand and gather enough firepower to just blow up entire sol system. |
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| What the hell is happening?! Seriously, what is happening with this anime - it suddenly got a lot better. |
| This was surprisingly good, the two factions must've been fighting for hundreds of thousands of years if not any longer. So stupid how Chamber didn't listen to Ledo, he's supposed to always listen to him, what BS. |
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Pesti13nce said: Did anyone else's heart sink a little when chamber did what he did at the end, with the humanoid looking one? Yeah a little, pretty weird that they were humans at one point. I guess they were doing all this to gain the ability to breath in space and they first experimented with breathing under water. Good episode I can't wait for the next one. 5/5 |
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| Was I the ONLY person who SAW THE HIDEAUZE GIVING A WAR SPEECH?!?!? They are sentient. End of story. |
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| So does this mean they could talk things out now D: but this does not explain the "mother" squid with all the eggs..? Or at least that's what they looked like to me. |
StopDropAndBowl said: Was I the ONLY person who SAW THE HIDEAUZE GIVING A WAR SPEECH?!?!? They are sentient. End of story. Were. There is no sign of them being anymore. |
Ncrdrg said: More like you're not getting it Fai. At all. The facts are very clear so far. The Continental Union attacked first and the Evolvers defended themselves. However, the Union built a gate and they were leaving. They built a self-destructing device to prevent the Evolvers from following them. They both want to live in space. The Continental Union wants to upgrade its technology to travel through space to find an inhabitable world(s). Now, they manage to build that gate to go elsewhere in space. Naturally, they don't want their enemies to follow them so they plan to destroy it after. What would have happened? They would have lived in another world or other worlds and lived however the hell they wanted and the Evolvers would have expanded in the current galaxy. Let's be logical though. The wormhole is a weapon. Even if the CU had no intention of using it in that way, they still had the option. In a war, one cannot allow the opponent to control a weapon which spells the complete defeat of your side. There is no indication that the aggressive CU was suddenly all for peace. They most likely would have used the gate technology as a weapon. Everything else is complete and total speculation. Would they come back to get rid of the Evolvers? Maybe. Or maybe not. You don't know. I don't know. But they didn't have to fight over resources because they'd live in different places. And we know the motivation for the Evolvers to get through that gate was to spread everywhere throughout the universe. Their motivations were the same: the CU wanted to spread throughout the universe, the Evolvers wanted to spread throughout the universe. Speculation sure, but logical speculation. Given a head-start, would the CU then allow the Hideauze to spread throughout the universe on their own strength? Most likely not. Now, isn't that hypocritical of them? They believed the way for humanity to survive is through DNA modification, not through technology. The Union is leaving, which means they don't have to pursue them. They do not and if you argue otherwise, you're a complete and utter fool. They are in a war. They can't allow the CU to have the use of a weapon of that caliber and they have no reason to trust in the CU's good will. This is basic military strategy here. 'We Evolvers will be able to spread the domain of the living to unknown galaxies' like a bunch of religious fanatics. And that is why the Evolvers became the aggressors from that point on. They attacked and pursued an enemy that was getting the hell out. That was pretty much what the CU was doing: they became the Alliance. The Alliance spouts off that same "We must not allow an inferior race to hold us back!" crap. All indications point to your speculation that the CU was just trying to leave in peace being absolutely wrong. |
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Darklight0303 said: StopDropAndBowl said: Was I the ONLY person who SAW THE HIDEAUZE GIVING A WAR SPEECH?!?!? They are sentient. End of story. Were. There is no sign of them being anymore. There is no sign that they aren't... How much do you want to bet that they are still sentient? |
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StopDropAndBowl said: Darklight0303 said: StopDropAndBowl said: Was I the ONLY person who SAW THE HIDEAUZE GIVING A WAR SPEECH?!?!? They are sentient. End of story. Were. There is no sign of them being anymore. There is no sign that they aren't... How much do you want to bet that they are still sentient? Well I am willing to bet that they lost to their own evolution and became a race that is no better than animals. It would be the perfect balance for the two factions. One lost its humanity from a moral standpoint, one lost its humanity completely and became little more than beasts. Also your theory for using the wormhole as weapon is nothing but baseless conjecture. How much you wanna bet there would be no alliance or its doctrine if the Hideauze had not followed them through like the freeloaders they were. Painting only the CU as the big bads in this seemingly endless war is naive and childish. There are no innocents in this conflict. Not from the moment they went through the gate. |
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Darklight0303 said: StopDropAndBowl said: Darklight0303 said: StopDropAndBowl said: Was I the ONLY person who SAW THE HIDEAUZE GIVING A WAR SPEECH?!?!? They are sentient. End of story. Were. There is no sign of them being anymore. There is no sign that they aren't... How much do you want to bet that they are still sentient? Well I am willing to bet that they lost to their own evolution and became a race that is no better than animals. It would be the perfect balance for the two factions. One lost its humanity from a moral standpoint, one lost its humanity completely and became little more than beasts. Also your theory for using the wormhole as weapon is nothing but baseless conjecture. How much you wanna bet there would be no alliance or its doctrine if the Hideauze had not followed them through like the freeloaders they were. Painting only the CU as the big bads in this seemingly endless war is naive and childish. There are no innocents in this conflict. Not from the moment they went through the gate. I would be surprised if that were so. The whole point of Ledo's transformation and growth has been leading up to the point where he now feels a respect for human life. There would be no point to showing this development if the Hideauze aren't sentient in some form or another. Ledo's reaction to killing the child-Evolver was that way precisely because he saw it as a human child. The writers would be shooting themselves in the foot if they neglected that development and went for a weird: the Hideauze are just animals twist. That would contradict the whole reason for developing Ledo's character, or rather, the whole point for even mentioning the Hideauze after the first episode. As for the wormhole: it is a weapon. Whether it is used as such or not is irrelevant to the fact that it is a weapon. I can use a gun to hunt animals, and have no intention of hunting people, but that doesn't change the gun into something it isn't. It remains a weapon with the potential to kill. Further, it is not baseless to assume that the aggressive CU would refrain from using the wormhole as a weapon. They have shown instances of aggression, they continue to show instances of aggression to this day. Your assertion that they are only how they are because the Evolvers followed them is what is baseless. We have no indication whatsoever that the CU ever wanted peace. There are some innocents: the child-Evolver, the Gargantians, etc. Among the two warring space factions, I would say that neither is entirely innocent of fault, however, it is clear that the CU-GA were the initial aggressors, and given their current philosophies and the fact that they lie to their own people, we can be reasonably sure that they are the current aggressors too. This is supported by the fact that they were the ones attacking the Hideauze in the first episode, not the other way around. Any way you look at it, the CU was more in the wrong, and the GA seems to be continuing that policy. |
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Ncrdrg said: @StopDropAndBowl - How is a worm hole a weapon? I really don't get that one. It's just a means to travel to other galaxies. Would you consider a bridge a weapon too? Because logistically, I don't see any difference between the two of them. Bridges are weapons. A weapon doesn't have to be a thing that kills you. It can be anything with the purpose of defeating the enemy. In history we see countless times of bridges being used for military purposes. Often times, things like supply lines and bridges are more effective weapons than swords and guns. A wormhole is a weapon because it allows one side to advance beyond the normal scope of the war. As other users have already pointed out, give the CU the time to use their wormhole to gain a complete foothold on the other hospitable planets and they could then use this to effectively isolate the Evolvers within the Solar System. It gives them an advantage in the war, just as a bridge can give an advantage to one side. The Army has an Engineers Corps. for a reason. Without a bridge, you can't move tanks and/or troops across rivers or chasms effectively. If I was chasing your army of tanks with mine, and you planned on building a bridge and then destroying it, my obvious objective would be to prevent you from destroying the bridge. The wormhole would be a weapon of almost unimaginable strength. Imagine the ability to cut in and out whenever and wherever you want. I can ambush your army at any point, and then jump away out of reach as soon as you try to respond. Once your flank is turned I can jump in behind you again and restart the ambush. I can build "bridges" to other worlds, gaining more resources to put into use. I can prevent you from using a wormhole yourself once you build one by jumping in, destroying it, and jumping out. Or by ambushing half your force as it comes through, and then jumping to the entrance to ambush the other side. I can send communications over vast spaces in an instant. I can move supplies to far reaches in an instant. In a space war, allowing one side exclusive use of a wormhole would be akin to allowing one side the exclusive use of the seas in our wars here on Earth. It would be suicidal to give the enemy such an advantage. |
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| I don't understand why they're hiding the history(when you can just distort and make propaganda) and giving up water resource on earth. |
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Kitchiri said: DawnJ said: Hiding history is same as distorting.I don't understand why they're hiding the history(when you can just distort and make propaganda) and giving up water resource on earth. Exploiting earth is better when you are in dire need of food and water. In that sense, distorting the truth>hiding the truth. |
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CallMeIshmael said: DawnJ said: I don't understand why they're hiding the history(when you can just distort and make propaganda) and giving up water resource on earth. For all Internet Tough Guys, gun rights advocates, and thug-life gangstas talk, it's actually surprising difficult to get ("normal") humans to kill other humans (someone who's actually been in the military would know more). The Hideauze are conveniently already "demonized". Also, even if the top brass knew Earth was now unfrozen, they might want be more focused on their "EXTERMINATE HIDEAUZE!!! EXTERMINATE! HIDEAUZE!!!". You mean, 'normal' humans that already know they are producing grey-hair clones to fight the war? And this is really far from the current situation after glorious mr. bush fucked all up. I doubt there are any press(other than government) or public opinion in CU. ps. and I don't know why you are pulling out 'military' thing, I once worked with(not served in) the US army. So what. |
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CallMeIshmael said: I meant the first link after googling 'how hard is it to get soldiers to shoot at other people' without quotes. Ledo screaming "NOOOO" as Chamber kills the squid girl supports that this is still applicable. It's not like Bush has secretly mastered overriding psychology, and apparently neither has the GA. Okay. Somewhat reminds me of The Metamorphosis by Kafka. I don't think people are going to have some sympathy or remorse about the fact squids they killed were humans. But oh well, Ledo did. |
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gensou911 said: DawnJ said: CallMeIshmael said: I meant the first link after googling 'how hard is it to get soldiers to shoot at other people' without quotes. Ledo screaming "NOOOO" as Chamber kills the squid girl supports that this is still applicable. It's not like Bush has secretly mastered overriding psychology, and apparently neither has the GA. Okay. Somewhat reminds me of The Metamorphosis by Kafka. I don't think people are going to have some sympathy or remorse about the fact squids they killed were humans. But oh well, Ledo did. Well would you eat a cow with a human face? It is the same concept. I don't even know where you are pulling 'human face cow' out from. How can eating can be the same as killing? Do CU guys eat Hideauz? Also, I can kill snails but I won't eat them. I can eat cows but I won't kill them. so wut. |
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StopDropAndBowl said: Did you miss the part in the story where the Hideauze have been waging war with the humans for presumably hundreds of years? I ask again: What is the relevance of sentience to the situation? Racism is an attitude that fundamentally subordinates any entity within the human species based on race, but even if we were to expand this to include all sentient being, the act of killing under the pretext of war is not itself an act of racism. You continue to shift goalposts with your analogy to dogs, which are not at all a threat to humankind, and then to souls or the supposed difference between human and animal sentience. Yet, we know from the series that there is an organized effort on account of both sides to get rid of each other, whether the Hideauze are sentient or not. What is the relevance?katsucats said: It is generally considered that personhood is defined by sentience, or at least, the level of sentience that we humans possess. Hence, the annihilation of sentient creatures would be widely considered to be murder. Slaughtering animals for no other reason than I don't like animals would also widely be considered to be unjustified, but not murder. If I went around killing every dog I saw because one dog mauled and killed my brother, I would be arrested and charged, possibly imprisoned; but not charged with murder. This is because we accept that dogs are more sentient than house-flies, but less so than humans. This is also entirely neglecting the notion of a soul. Even on a scientific level, we can make a distinction between human sentience and animal sentience. More immediately, and on a higher order, what is the relevance of sentience, exactly? The definition of sentience notwithstanding, does it somehow fit into your world view that annihilation of a non-sentient species is justifiable, but annihilation of a sentient species become racist? So where is this cut off point in intelligence between where you can just kill a being without batting an eyelash, and where killing one makes you a murderer? This notion of accepting that a dog is more sentient than a housefly is completely false. We know for a fact that pigs or some bird species, like the magpie or crow, are more intelligent than dogs, yet we kill pigs for food and hunt birds for sport but keep dogs. Do you know why? Because they look cute and mosquitoes look ugly as fuck. If it is morally unjustifiable to you to ever kill, or to preemptively remove threat, treating each animal as its individual, then if a lion eats one of your friends alive, you would give its brother the benefit of the doubt; if you killed a cockroach that has positive sentience (compared to a rock), it would be slightly unjustifiable to you -- less unjustifiable than the dog, but more than the seaweed? StopDropAndBowl said: That sentience is irrelevant is the argument, your moral inconsistency is the conclusion.katsucats said: They are not a threat to the human race, and further this entire paragraph is a non-sequitor. You start off by making the statement that I have no clue what racism is and that my beliefs are inconsistent, then move on to a conclusion that whether they are sentient or not is irrelevant. The conclusion does not follow the premise. I charge that your moral prescriptions aren't very consistent, and that you really just have no clue what racism even is. It makes no difference whether Hideauze are evolved human beings or evolved mosquitoes. As long as we accept the narrative that they are a threat to the human race, then that is all the justification a human being needs to eliminate them. StopDropAndBowl said: But in space, we know that they are mortal enemies of humankind. The DNA being the same, the premise is that it is eventuality. To say that only the lion that bites is a threat, and all other lions are innocent until proven guilty is the pinnacle of naivete and childish idealism.And neither has justification. North Koreans present a threat to South Koreans, but if South Korea/America suddenly nuked every square inch of North Korea, this would be widely condemned. Further, if you actually watch the show, the Hideauze show no signs of being a threat to the human race beyond being able to win a war of annihilation against them if provoked. They live in relative peace with the people of Earth. StopDropAndBowl said: No, I bet most people are not so easily manipulated by cheap, propagandist infomercials. Using the "little girl" symbolism evokes a disgusted laugh out of anyone with even a yellow belt in drama and storytelling. Such cliches are so obvious that it's borderline offensive.katsucats said: Uh... most people are shocked at the sight of a starving child....By the way: OMG Killer squid is actually a human child!!1111 Cheap manipulation. It's like expecting us to get shocked at the sight of a starving African child. It seems like this is working for a lot of you... but hey, different strokes for different folks... |
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Fai said: If transgender people are in concert with each other bent on being a danger to mankind, then there would be valid reason to kill all transgender people. Unfortunately for your straw man, transgendered people are not, and there are no good reasons to kill transgendered people. But there is a good reason to kill Hideauze.You see why your argument is incredibly disgusting? Replace Hideauze with transgender people, or homosexual people, or people of different religion/race and the same "arguments" you work work onto furthering homophobic white supremacist propaganda. Disgust is an emotion triggered by closed-mindedness, but if anyone should be disgusted at anything, it would be this childlike pacifist hypocrisy perpetrated by shounen anime, and believed by many, that one should never anticipate, and it is a vice to plan, but a virtue to be passive until directly threatened, in which one should then respond to the threat without killing anyone... because murder is bad... passivity is good... In Psycho-Pass, Gen Urobuchi had the audacity to give Akane the final sentiment that human kind will best the Sybil system, so she will keep supporting the Sybil and keep her hopes for human kind -- it is this faux-hopeful passivity that places unrealistic idealism ahead of real solutions that should be disgusting if anything. I digress... In the real world, things aren't so conveniently ordered into dichotomies of aggressor and victim. There are no normative prescriptions for every broad action such as killing. If it means you have to kill to provide your tribe its livelihood, then it becomes necessary to justify killing; otherwise it becomes necessary to justify being killed. There isn't always a convenient Touma that can negate everyone's abilities or Naruto that turns everyone into friends. In the real world, you can't solve every conflict through negotiation or co-existence. |
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katsucats said: Fai said: If transgender people are in concert with each other bent on being a danger to mankind, then there would be valid reason to kill all transgender people. Unfortunately for your straw man, transgendered people are not, and there are no good reasons to kill transgendered people. But there is a good reason to kill Hideauze.You see why your argument is incredibly disgusting? Replace Hideauze with transgender people, or homosexual people, or people of different religion/race and the same "arguments" you work work onto furthering homophobic white supremacist propaganda. Disgust is an emotion triggered by closed-mindedness, but if anyone should be disgusted at anything, it would be this childlike pacifist hypocrisy perpetrated by shounen anime, and believed by many, that one should never anticipate, and it is a vice to plan, but a virtue to be passive until directly threatened, in which one should then respond to the threat without killing anyone... because murder is bad... passivity is good... In Psycho-Pass, Gen Urobuchi had the audacity to give Akane the final sentiment that human kind will best the Sybil system, so she will keep supporting the Sybil and keep her hopes for human kind -- it is this faux-hopeful passivity that places unrealistic idealism ahead of real solutions that should be disgusting if anything. I digress... In the real world, things aren't so conveniently ordered into dichotomies of aggressor and victim. There are no normative prescriptions for every broad action such as killing. If it means you have to kill to provide your tribe its livelihood, then it becomes necessary to justify killing; otherwise it becomes necessary to justify being killed. There isn't always a convenient Touma that can negate everyone's abilities or Naruto that turns everyone into friends. In the real world, you can't solve every conflict through negotiation or co-existence. The first paragraph just proves my point - you do realize that homophobes ARE using that exact argument of "those people" taking over the world, blah dee blah, right? That's no different on how CU justified Hideauze genocide. Otherwise, I find the hypocrisy in this post hilarious. |
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gensou911 said: DawnJ said: CallMeIshmael said: I meant the first link after googling 'how hard is it to get soldiers to shoot at other people' without quotes. Ledo screaming "NOOOO" as Chamber kills the squid girl supports that this is still applicable. It's not like Bush has secretly mastered overriding psychology, and apparently neither has the GA. Okay. Somewhat reminds me of The Metamorphosis by Kafka. I don't think people are going to have some sympathy or remorse about the fact squids they killed were humans. But oh well, Ledo did. Well would you eat a cow with a human face? It is the same concept. you don't eat the face, you eat the meat if you did have cow faces as meal i guess it being an human face or cow face would make little difference... the real difference is if there is the doubt of there being an other way other than war, as in communicating and finding agreements if it's perceived there is no such way, then the only way left is war |
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| That Chamber is a bad news, and here I thought he were funny. We can see that he killed the babies out of his own volition. Ledo didn't command him to do so. Also, he clearly went against his pilot's command during the last scene. It seems that he is programmed to act for GA"s cause on top of everything. What would happen if Ledo betrays GA? Will Chamber perform senmetsu on everybody? No no no.That would be awful. Trash him while you can, Ledo. Then you can go back to Amy, make babies, and live happily ever after. Hahaha. |
Eternia said: That Chamber is a bad news, and here I thought he were funny. We can see that he killed the babies out of his own volition. Ledo didn't command him to do so. Also, he clearly went against his pilot's command during the last scene. It seems that he is programmed to act for GA"s cause on top of everything. What would happen if Ledo betrays GA? Will Chamber perform senmetsu on everybody? No no no.That would be awful. Trash him while you can, Ledo. Then you can go back to Amy, make babies, and live happily ever after. Hahaha. Trash him how? None of Pinion's tools could even put a dent on him. Face it. Chamber is the final boss and he will rule all. |
| Wow, that is a plot twist . The Hideauze and human in Earth seems to be a good example of co-existence or at least both species mind their own business for quite a long period, but the Video display seem to show different thing. So, are there 2 type of Hideauze or maybe the Hideauze on earth are just slacking on killing people lol. I wonder what is the true story behind all this. |
MorningGloryJun 5, 2013 6:21 AM
Fai said: The first paragraph just proves my point - you do realize that homophobes ARE using that exact argument of "those people" taking over the world, blah dee blah, right? That's no different on how CU justified Hideauze genocide. Otherwise, I find the hypocrisy in this post hilarious. Uh, except homosexuals aren't actually trying to take over the world. You realize most homophobes are even less rational than hyper-religious people, right (although they often coincide)? katsucats said: Fai said: If transgender people are in concert with each other bent on being a danger to mankind, then there would be valid reason to kill all transgender people. Unfortunately for your straw man, transgendered people are not, and there are no good reasons to kill transgendered people. But there is a good reason to kill Hideauze.You see why your argument is incredibly disgusting? Replace Hideauze with transgender people, or homosexual people, or people of different religion/race and the same "arguments" you work work onto furthering homophobic white supremacist propaganda. Disgust is an emotion triggered by closed-mindedness, but if anyone should be disgusted at anything, it would be this childlike pacifist hypocrisy perpetrated by shounen anime, and believed by many, that one should never anticipate, and it is a vice to plan, but a virtue to be passive until directly threatened, in which one should then respond to the threat without killing anyone... because murder is bad... passivity is good... In Psycho-Pass, Gen Urobuchi had the audacity to give Akane the final sentiment that human kind will best the Sybil system, so she will keep supporting the Sybil and keep her hopes for human kind -- it is this faux-hopeful passivity that places unrealistic idealism ahead of real solutions that should be disgusting if anything. I digress... In the real world, things aren't so conveniently ordered into dichotomies of aggressor and victim. There are no normative prescriptions for every broad action such as killing. If it means you have to kill to provide your tribe its livelihood, then it becomes necessary to justify killing; otherwise it becomes necessary to justify being killed. There isn't always a convenient Touma that can negate everyone's abilities or Naruto that turns everyone into friends. In the real world, you can't solve every conflict through negotiation or co-existence. I'm tagging out, going to my holiday resort. Might pop by here when I'm at my computer there, though. Keep on trucking mate. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
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