Citizeninsane said: TheAutocrat said: I'm going to be blunt. I'm more intelligent than you. "There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. " - Hemingway LOL, and he calls InfiniteRyvius a hypocrite. TheAutocrat said: @hitchens; Oh I have a response to every criticism. I have well grounded responses and good reason behind my accusations. It's funny how you guys have not atrempted to refute anything I said clearly. Where are they? All I see is ad hominems and childish insults. |
| His ad hominems have good reasons behind them, you know, showing "the intelligence of this situation", you just don't know what you're talking about Hitchens. You baka. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Since when did Autocrat turn into such an obvious and vulgar troll ("I am smarter than you blehblehbleh"). I thought he was supposed to fill the role of stereotyped elitist. Also, what was this thread about? Since it seems the OP got modified.... |
| >removing 90% of first post yowai |
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TheAutocrat said: Hitchens said: TheAutocrat said: @hitchens; Oh I have a response to every criticism. I have well grounded responses and good reason behind my accusations. It's funny how you guys have not atrempted to refute anything I said clearly. Where are they? All I see is ad hominems and childish insults. *ad hominems and childish insults* Getting real tired of your bullshit. |
jal90 said: Since when did Autocrat turn into such an obvious and vulgar troll ("I am smarter than you blehblehbleh"). I thought he was supposed to fill the role of stereotyped elitist. Also, what was this thread about? Since it seems the OP got modified.... I certainly hope he's a troll, because it would be ten times worse if he's seriously this dense. |
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| You have a very weird concept of "analysis" I'd say. Usually, analyzing means something more than rephrasing the premise again and again. I love how that whole wall of text only served to throw redundant metaphors and word in several different ways the same "Hitchens is blinded by his arrogance/ignorance" idea. |
| KTC's Summary of Thread TheAutocrat: OP which may or may not make sense InfiniteRyvius: Translation of post which may or may not make sense Others: Attack some details inside OP. TheAutocrat: Defends OP as sensible. Defends some details inside OP. InfiniteRyvius: Argues OP is nonsense. Attacks some details inside OP. TheAutocrat: Defends some details inside OP. Makes reason for OP being nonsense. (I consider that a forfeit of the sense argument.) Claims fallacies in IR's argument. InfiniteRyvius: Defends argument, refutes fallacies. Attacks some details inside OP with strong words. Might be attack on TheAutocrat's character. TheAutocrat: Attacks IR's character. Citizeninsane: Makes a really good quote post. +2 for style. **fighting w/o arguments** I'd give the victory to InfiniteRyvius on the grounds that he successfully argued the OP was nonsense. The argument on the details can't be so easily called. I tip my hat off to Citizeninsane for his superb style. EDIT: When I say 'sensible,' I really mean 'makes sense' (or making, make it work). |
KayaTCNov 14, 2012 12:32 PM
Others: Attack some details inside OP. Not me, I didn't even read that nonsense. |
| You really caught me off guard there Autocrat, the discussion has moved on a it since your post, so I shall cover this as well as you regrettable post. You say that you are "refuting your alleged pretentiousness and arrogance, and am very much enjoying these thought provoking intellectual arguments", but I don't see this, what I see is that you're declaring me (among others) to be the pretentiousness ones, the hypocrites, the ones in the wrong. I see no defense of yourself apart from one sentence, which doesn't function because "I am not a hypocrite" does not work as a refute, that's a "your word against mine" argument (I regret that I am ignorant of the proper term). Onto the main point at hand, the post itself was surprising because I did not expect such a thing from you, however the opinion expressed was something most people here already understood. Now, you believe that you are more intelligent than me, and this is something that is objective, an irrefutable truth. Certainly I could not do the same, I could never claim to be more intelligent than someone else when I don't really know how intelligent they are. I could ask you to back up what you said about being more intelligent, but there is nothing you could say that would be satisfactory, at least, I cannot imagine what proof you could have. The statements I find hardest to swallow are these: TheAutocrat said: Just stating a fact that InfiniteRyvius is oblivious to. He arrogantly believes he is better than some, and doesn't consider the consequences of his arrogance, probably because he is blinded. I do not understand what goes on in your mind when you say these things. You have stated that you are better than others, how come that doesn't make you arrogant? Do you believe you genuinely are better, but I am not and it is all merely an illusion caused by arrogance? If this is so, how can you know? Has what I said revealed me for an idiot? Whilst I could not claim objectivity on the matter, I don't believe this is the case. I hardly think these posts of yours represent the full extent of your intelligence. You see Autocrat, whilst there were many things I do think badly of you for, your overwhelming arrogance, and you're refusal to deal with criticism in the right manner, I do not believe you to be stupid. One thing I did glean from our brief conversation on our profiles a while ago is that you are curious and wish to learn, and that is a characteristic of yours that I admire, whilst that is not equivalent to intelligence, I respect it enough for me not to dismiss it. Now, you think I am a hypocrite, and here I would like a decent explanation as to how you have come to this conclusion. I can understand something like arrogance better, I certainly have pride and confidence in myself, I disagree with you how much I feel that, but I can understand. I said your reply was regrettable, I attacked your opening post, but it had a lot wrong with it, and I believe it was made in poor fashion, it is well within your capability write something more constructive. Now, I understand that you said it was incomplete (which I'll be honest I didn't realize when I first replied), but you seemed to think that it was perfectly acceptable to have it as ambiguous as it was, and even now believe that you did not needlessly complicate it by using ambiguous sentences and words that needed to be defined beforehand that conflicted with each other. I want you to respond Autocrat, and to do so appropriately. Saying stupid things like "I am more intelligent than you" did not serve any function, unless you believe me to be the sort to be infuriated at the mere thought of standing up to me. I know very well that there are people who are much more intelligent and more knowledgeable, I wonder if you do however. I am not sure how you think you've responded to the people of this forum, but from an outside viewpoint (you may accuse me of bias but so be it) you have only dismissed the comments of those that disagree with you, two good examples: TheAutocrat said: @noob: It's dissapointing how oblivious you are to the intelligence of this situation yet you still weakly but in with your misconceptions. TheAutocrat said: @hitchens; Oh I have a response to every criticism. I have well grounded responses and good reason behind my accusations. It's funny how you guys have not atrempted to refute anything I said clearly. If not this, you have also outright insulted them. Do you think that you are being seen as the antagonist here? If you do, do you not think there is a reason for this? Or are you declaring everyone unreasonable? |
TheAutocrat said: No. You are contradicting your alleged pretentiousness and arrogance.Calm down... I am not trolling, I am refuting my alleged pretentiousness and arrogance. I am very much enjoying these thought provoking intellectual arguments. |
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TheAutocrat said: Citizeninsane said: TheAutocrat said: I'm going to be blunt. I'm more intelligent than you. "There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. " - Hemingway Just stating a fact that InfiniteRyvius is oblivious to. He arrogantly believes he is better than some, and doesn't consider the consequences of his arrogance, probably because he is blinded. 1. Pot calling the kettle black? 2. Since you believe there is some objective measurement of intelligence, show us the proof of that assertion? |
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TheAutocrat said: No wonder! You picked up your intellect from MAL! LOLNine months ago I was as ignorant as one could expect of a waster. I was a gifted child and when I picked up the will to learn at that time, it was because of mal... great learning ground and trial site for my intelligence, TheAutocrat said: In 9 months? Get back to us in 3 more years.P.S -- I am not a hypocrite. I am vastly superior to my former self so don't be so quick to judge on superficial grounds. TheAutocrat said: "I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing." -SocratesFor you are not wise. Also, I was "making the act" of stating my superior intelligence. So I may not be noble in that sense but eclipsing my former self time and time again "is" noble acording to this persons wisdom. "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." -Shakespeare |
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TheAutocrat said: I'd like to ask you to calm down sir. No I mean it, before you get reported for spam. No Auto, I think some humility would do you good. The smartest commander always knows when to cut his losses and retreat. Having been where you are before, I can certainly say that it feels nice thinking yourself better than everyone else. Putting on those sort of airs. But verbosity and even knowledge is not the same as intelligence. If you're not as sharp as you believe, so what? Knowing your limitations will allow you to make the smartest decisions possible. People can have the sharpest thoughts but it's the intelligent actions that matter most. |
Akito_KinomotoNov 14, 2012 2:37 PM
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TheAutocrat said: Report me then sir, if you think threats substitute for actual arguments.I'd like to ask you to calm down sir. No I mean it, before you get reported for spam. |
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| Jesus, stop replying to him please. It pains me every single time I look at GD, and witness the horror of this thread still being here. Arguing with someone who is either trolling, or simly has a superiority complex of an unprecedented proportion is useless. |
Trapalicious said: Jesus, stop replying to him please. It pains me every single time I look at GD, and witness the horror of this thread still being here. Arguing with someone who is either trolling, or simly has a superiority complex of an unprecedented proportion is useless. I WANT MY RESPONSE DAMMIT! |
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LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
TheAutocrat said: Introspection Illusion. You don't know shit about yourself until you could coherently explain it.The fact that I said I am more intelligent than you was taken from a number of factors. Knowledge of you. Experience of you. Your growth in the past nine months as opposed to mine (I may have emphasized this). Your probable growth rate and intellectuality at my age. My scrutiny of your intelligence and how I fair against you at say theoretically, 60% efficiency. Secondly, all evident knowledge of self. Experience, social intelligence and emotional intelligence. And you may be surprised to hear... Who knows more about who when, ironically, I have revealed so much about myself. |
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| Its almost comedic autocrat, how you attempt to hide yourself behind this facade of pseudo intelligence. Its like people on american idol who trick themselves into believing they actually have something, only to embarrass themselves in front of everyone else. When you cant defend yourself, you decide to attack the critic on grounds of inconsistency although you only serve to make yourself more so on the same grounds. You beleive you can judge people through some self perceived analysis of he person although you have absolutely no knowledge of the person aside from their MAL account. You also replied to none of my responses and only to the ones you are cornered into responding to, although you seem to pick on the posts that hold little relivant strength. Will you go off on indicting me for hypocrisy, arrogance, or inconsistency or actually try to legitimately defend yourself? Dont ask me to "calm down" either because you seem to enjoy using that defense too. Everyone else: I realize i may be feeding a troll... I am sorry :( |
TheAutocrat said: my next threads will be formal and open to criticism. |
TheAutocrat said: Then why do you hate me so? The Autocrat is merely a clown they say. You've finally got a reason to dislike me you say... I want to say, I appreciate the manner of your post. And also the respect, dignity, and individuality you show in your behaviour. It is highly admirable. I shall put much efficiency into answering your points. Firstly, I want to clarify. The posts between my post you and the post to Hitchens and also from there to your latest post were not done at full efficiency. I was disinterested and unfocused, I expect that would suffice as reason for me not answering your points on the content of such posts. However I will say this... Accuracy is lost when the archer is disinterested and unfocussed. Sometimes the output gets miscommunicated to its target. For not the right amount of thought was put into its sending. The input should be processed when one is most competent. Before a defence is made... Or so i could go on to justify but that would be highly pretentious and deceptive of me. You want the truth. I have no laptop, my only acess to the internet; a freeze-prone PS3 that is slow as hell. I have to write messages then screenshot them before the inevitable freeze. I am sometimes forced to re-write said messages... twice. First on paper then on MAL. *sigh* If you want to call that lazy then so be it, but that is why I would be hard done by to attempt to post you my defences. The fact that I said I am more intelligent than you was taken from a number of factors. Knowledge of you. Experience of you. Your growth in the past nine months as opposed to mine (I may have emphasized this). Your probable growth rate and intellectualism at my age. My scrutiny of your intelligence and how I fair against you at say theoretically, 60% efficiency. Secondly, all evident knowledge of self. Experience, social intelligence and emotional intelligence. And you may be surprised to hear... Who knows more about who when, ironically, I have revealed so much about myself. My insight is the apex in my opinion. I have never met a man who could fool me. Maybe only my heart, which pales in comparison to my logic and thinking skills . Also... *sigh* It was a preconceived notion. Dunno might be right, probably am. Through lack of knowledge you are forced into the mistake of generalisation. You are far too quick to judge. I see you as being arrogant here, and you'll be respectful to hear, not unintelligent. Though I could argue that you are... but, I doubt there is another like me out there, so generalising seems logical and evidently effective. I feel I am always destined to be misunderstood. On this matter that who is better than who, is best left unsaid. I don't care if I'm better than others, I just want some intelligent friends. You are not a hypocrite. I have decided to place faith in that statement. For I am also going to dismiss my allegations that you are pretentious because they are unfair. Although I will tell you this. Stop telling people they are pretentious and name calling without considering the consequences. You're wiser than this, InfiniteRyvius. I thought that by stating my OP posts incompleteness, the people who replied would accept that statement. Yet I was attacked for the unsatisfactory nature of my thread. I was lookihg for people to argue about the content. That OP post was informal. By arguing about the content I am forced to identify with the inherent flaws in my theories. I can then further improve my theories by using my imagination, by refining such a theory, and ultimately further asserting its truthfulness. I took a lot of things for granted because of its informality. My bad, I guess for not defining terms. I could write an essay on ambiguosity in text but let's just leave that as a stalemate for now. I'll find my own answers through experience. I am not blinded by arrogance. And on the last part of InfiniteRyvius message, I wish to apologise to you who I dismissed in this forum earlier. Even if unmanageable, even if they are ignorant, it is my place to show courtesy and respect even if they only prejudice me. For such behaviour is to be expected. I mean it when I say, I will reply in full explanation regardless of effort required to do so in future. If you still doubt me, my fellow malocrats. What do you think Ryvius? Context means a lot, to whom was I talking to when I said that line? Exactly. Also, do you think I was perhaps referring to what happened with LolitaDecay a while ago, hence the "finally"? Do keep in mind what you had just said to me too, so it's not as if disliking you would be without reason. So you didn't put much thought into your replies, but your points still stand (and it's up to us to glean the meaning)? I believe that's what your saying, well, fine, if you say so. If you are experiencing such difficulty in posting on the MAL forums, then that is something that can't be helped. I could hardly accuse of lazy if you're sometimes writing these responses twice over, and I shall try to take due consideration. Take as much time to reply as you wish, I shall not be impatient now I understand your circumstances. Now, as for your reasons for coming to the conclusion that you are more intelligent, I struggle to believe that you truly know me enough to come to a conclusion on my intelligence, or if you even have enough experience of me. I think you're saying that you know me very well, that you have me sussed, where as I hardly know anything about you at all. Also, as for our personal growth, you seem to believe that you have grown considerably more than I have in the past 9 months. I have not witnessed your growth, and unfortunately I lack the insight to be able to see the difference between you now and you 9 months ago, and I can't grasp how I have developed over the past 9 months. I have had no contact with you before 2 months ago, however that applies to us both, but that's by the by. In any case, I'll take your word for it when you say you've grown more, though depending on our starting points, you may not have surpassed me at all, then again, you could claim to have been ahead from the start. Well, you'll believe what you believe, and I'll do likewise, whatever it is I do think. Actually, you did interest me slightly when you said "My insight is the apex in my opinion. I have never met a man who could fool me." I kind of want you to demonstrate this for me (I don't mean that disingenuously, if you can do what you claim to then I would love to see you apply it, though never an area I studied, I am interested in Psychology). I have rarely heard someone being called arrogant over a particular thing, like you've apparently done. Usually when someone calls someone else arrogant, they mean as a person they are always arrogant. I understand that you mean I've been arrogant in this thread but... well, it's a first. Usually someone would say I was being condescending or something... You say that I was too quick to judge, but did you see your post? With the context in which you called me arrogant, I would have thought the natural conclusion would be the one I reached (though I would do wouldn't I?). So you no longer consider me a hypocrite, I'll accept that conclusion. I need to say however that I didn't call you pretentious without reason, I still maintain that in your original unedited post your use of words (or your verbosity as you like to call it) gave of the impression you were trying to make your post sound more profound by using them. Whether or not this is true is another matter, but most people here thought that was the case, so it made you seem pretentious. You do not need to simplify your words to level that fools can understand, but you do not need to use words like you did. I'm not going to budge on that. You did indeed say that your writings were incomplete, however if that was the case should you have submitted it? You know by now what MAL is like don't you? I'm not sure if by incomplete you mean you hadn't yet tidied it up and finished the piece of writing, or whether you hadn't yet completed your theory. If it was the former, you shouldn't have posted it until you tidied it up and finished it, people don't respond kindly to stuff like that, as for the latter, that is fine and all, but you should have made it clear that you wanted people to discuss it and give you feedback. Otherwise you will get misunderstood, which I gather is the bane of your life on MAL. If you disagree with someone when they make a point against you, it is good form in general to reply to their argument/point rather than dismissing it. Anyway, I shall close here, I find it encouraging that you wish to not be seen as arrogance, and I hope you can- wait... TheAutocrat said: Though I could argue that you are [unintelligent]... but, I doubt there is another like me out there, so generalising seems logical and evidently effective. Does this mean what I think it means? Oh dear. I feel I should have let that go. |
| You got me there Autocrat, I actually felt the need to explain myself when you made that first line. However, I did not feel it was weakness (I assume that's one of your lines of weakness), I merely thought you said it to demonstrate my bias, in a neutral fashion. However, I'll be done with that charade. Before I went into this I had some bias against you, due to stories told by the various people you mentioned. Sure I did feel I needed to make my own opinion, but within the first few posts I read of yours, I realized that the views shared by others would not be dissimilar from my own. So you have manipulated me have you? Give yourself a pat on the back. Yes, I dislike replying to people in a more aggressive fashion than they did I, apart from the example I mentioned, I didn't see much weakness displayed. I could count your apparent difficulty with the internet, and there was also this: TheAutocrat said: You are not a hypocrite. I have decided to place faith in that statement. For I am also going to dismiss my allegations that you are pretentious because they are unfair. Although I will tell you this. Stop telling people they are pretentious and name calling without considering the consequences. You're wiser than this, InfiniteRyvius. Which I figured may be what you consider showing weakness, but overall I saw little weakness, just a more neutral tone, a less abrasive approach to your earlier post. I did not think I was taking advantage of your weakness, I just thought you had stopped being so unpleasant about the way you posted, and responded in kind. For some reason I don't want this to be an angry exchange. Also, I see you haven't stopped with the accusations of arrogance, (then again, you conceding me being a hypocrite may have been part of your ingenious plan, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised) tell me, what do you think passes through my mind when I usually reply to comments? Do I think myself superior in intelligence to begin with and hope to wish to display this? Do I reply to demonstrate their inferiority? What I hate are flawed arguments, and that's why I reply to people. I suppose I could argue this is arrogance in of itself, but for the purposes of here, I shall state that it is not. I liked this to and from between us when we were actually arguing over something, I regret you abandoned the original point of discussion, no, I am annoyed. I listed my points, and you called me arrogant, a hypocrite, and less intelligent than you, losing all track of the original discussion then and there. The time for you to reply to my points has long since past which is sad for me, but I'll get over the loss. I still seek arrogance in you? It's not something I'm trying to find, it's a natural conclusion I came to, well, I had a biased beginning, but you have only made me more sure of what I was told. It's all very well you telling me that you are not arrogant, but do you expect that to suffice? If I told you was in fact male, or that I was Asian, or that I was an selfless person, this wouldn't make them true, they are all false just the same. Do you believe that I should take your word as an absolute truth? That's just not going to happen, your word is not that of an omniscient being, and expecting me to take your words as such is downright foolish. Also, you must have misread what I said, I'm sorry to undermine what you found so striking, but I don't believe that you have surpassed me or equaled me, what I said is that you have probably grown more than me in these past 9 months. You state that you have grown considerably, and I assume you have good reason to believe this. I do not believe I have grown remarkably much these past 9 months, not so much that I could be proud of how much I've grown unlike you. I was vague on the starting and ending points, because I don't know. I'll be honest, I would like to be more intelligent than you (but hopefully this isn't too bad, who doesn't want to have more intelligence?), but since I don't know, I just can't say for sure. It doesn't matter too much to me anyway. An interesting side note, it takes me several reads before I catch everything you say, this didn't catch my eye til the 3rd time through: TheAutocrat said: I understand you, my brother. It would hurt your pride so, to admit my superiority over you. Highly pretentious is the only weapon in your arsenal. The funny thing is, I truly believed myself to be ignorant. I believed myself intellectually inferior to you and those mentioned. In reality, you are my contemporaries. I doubt I need to say this by now, but I would have no reason to admit your superiority even without pride, you have not shown me nearly enough to demonstrate this. When I say that, I don't mean that I think you are but you just haven't proved it yet, I mean that I will assume that we are equal unless you prove me otherwise. Do not think this is stubbornness on my part either, this is me being logical. Yep, you didn't say superior. I used it when I meant intelligent, which was an error on my part. This thread was a mistake? Well, we all learnt something from it didn't we? I certainly did, things that I will not forget for some time. How did I know you had not displayed your full intelligence? My, let me tell you! I said it because you hadn't really shown the greatest amount here. Then again, you need very specific circumstances in order to be able to do so, so maybe your chance shall come. You see though, there's a big difference between our two chosen closing lines. Mine is fairly polite but slightly sarky, yours simply betrays how (if it does mean what I think it does) you believe yourself to be in a entirely different league to the rest of us, and I assume you think it's a league or two upwards. They compare well don't they? |
TheAutocrat said: Checkmate!Intelligence serves to breed arrogance, though it serves to deny pretentiousness and arrogance. |
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| What the hell is going on in here? |
Shuhan said: What the hell is going on in here? I wore a hat today. |
TheAutocrat said: Thank you Infinite Ryvius. I call on you, check. I call of you, mate. I think he likes you. |
GloriousHawk said: Shuhan said: What the hell is going on in here? I wore a hat today. what color was it? |
Shuhan said: GloriousHawk said: Shuhan said: What the hell is going on in here? I wore a hat today. what color was it? Black. I'm wearing it now. |
GloriousHawk said: Shuhan said: GloriousHawk said: Shuhan said: What the hell is going on in here? I wore a hat today. what color was it? Black. I'm wearing it now. gg sounds hot. Pics? |
Hitchens said: GloriousHawk said: Shuhan said: GloriousHawk said: Shuhan said: What the hell is going on in here? I wore a hat today. what color was it? Black. I'm wearing it now. gg sounds hot. Pics? Indeed quite sexy, what else are you wearing right now? |
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