One Piece Chapter 1039 Discussion

FMmatron said:
Let's fucking go boys and girls, W for Kid stans. Seems like Oda took the Mid slander personally and gave him a Ray Gun. Haters must be seething right now and haki fags won't be able to cope either. Law was also insane, nothing less from the guy whose Room cut PH. Looking forward to the translation and the anime in 1,5 years or so.


@Ayu_01

inb4 she isn'tIf Big Mom is down after all this it's well earned, even tho the fight could've had a better flow. Law's last sentence here suggests it's definitely over for her as an enemy after Wano.

What matters now is that she got defeated by the boys. The Government could clean up after the battle and take her and Kaido into custody, but I don't see this happening unless they successfully annex Wano. Her crew is still around and we're supposed to forget about them, so that's an likelier option imo. And who knows, a defeat might as well put her into perma Mother Mode. So even if she gets up, she won't be a threat.

Ayu_01 said:

Lol if they could have taken Kaido as prisoner they could have way back when he was young and was experimented all he needs is one thunder bagua to sweep out of impel down the strongest is Megglean but once he is defeated then whole ID would be joke thats why i think and almost same with BM.

Yeah true i think Bm is done j,ust a half chapter more and this would have been definetly top 3 fights in wano,a yonko going down was not expected till mid 1040s for me but I am glad i didnt find it monotonous or easy..

Had to say Oda fights b/w DF is just the best thats why i am now even more hyped with admiralas .

True Zorotards were coping just cause he got adv COC though he is now at top but they assume he is automatcally at god level.You should see other froum there is too much salt thre.Fianlly Kidd too gets his respect,but I am feeling this chaper was more directed towards Law with his dialouge and other thing.

LAW GOATED FR

FMmatron said:



They just gotta wrap them up in sea stone. Already worked on Big Mom. So I don't think that even they could leave Impel Down without help. Sounds too far fetched.

It's already in my top list along with WG vs Kaido and Big Mom and Robin vs Black Maria. These finishers were crazy. Oda showed his creativity again. Honorable mention to Akazaya vs Kaido.

Ayu_01 said:
Being a huge Law,I fan made a compilation of him in this chapter @Volkur @FMmatron

petar997 said:
This chapter destroyed so many fan agendas lmao I love it very much

FMmatron said:
Kid




I gotta praise Big Mom too, though. Her
3000 Leagues in Search of Mother*, her strength and bravado were dope. She displayed some inhuman feats since Whole Cake Island, but after so many top tier attacks you gotta go down.


*Cool name that fits her character and is also a reference; the anime is pretty good btw. The techbique itself reminded me of Susano and Magellan's Hell's Judgement.

As for why Law performed worsw against Doffy. I would explain it like this.

Unlike Big Mom, Doflamingo actually prevented Law from landing critical hits. He didn't just dodge, but actively intervened most of the time Law attempted something. Even the smaller attacks we're nipped in the bud, pretty much no chance to try something bigger. Thus we can deduce that a more mindful fighter who got his guard up and knows how to defend himself is a greater challenge for the Op OP no Mi. Doffy wasn't as big of target and way faster as well. I wonder how well he would have fared if he joined the Worst Generation against the Yonkou?

All that said, Law undeniably isn't quite the same anymore or so it would seem if you look at the two fights. He exceeded my expectations, I just think it's a bit of a shame that Oda didn't shown him doing some training like Luffy or Zoro or perhaps give him an opponent at the beginning of Wano. There was the chance to showcase some feats against Hawkins. It could've made it easier for most to grasp his strength if some of his potenial we saw in the latest chapters had been teased.






Chapter is even more hype after watching this again.



Law makes big waves while Doflamingo is rotting in jail.

strawb0nes said:


Are people seriously complaining that Law didn't fare similarly against Doffy? Look how much Luffy has evolved and grown since his Doffy fight, it's not impossible, and actually pretty reasonable to assume Law grew at a SIMILAR pace, although likely a little slower. I also DOUBT he had awakening back then because he defo would have used it

Ayu_01 said:
@Fmmatron honestly even after team effort by all to defeat Doffy it took 12 hrs and Nami help to defeat Cracker and thsi was luffy we are talking about and now he is getting toe to toe with Kaido ,so it doesnt make me wonder Law performance against Doffy .
Then the point of matchup comes among all the top tier,the other would have usesd a bit different strategy to get Law down unlike BM though her healing abilit was OP but she forgot to use observation haki and conqueres haki lol.
I feel the worst perfomance would be given by Fuji who mostly has gravity against him which can be easily countered by him and best by Kizaru point being he is just too fast for Law to do much .

I really want to see what Kidd attack did to her like Sanji fight in next chap where he sent Queen above was so nice i hope Oda does somewhat same .
This will really elevate Kidd performance

THe way in which defeat occured was not an asspull but a bit more was expected from fight or atleast from her maybe it could hav been complete if instead of normal haki she would have ussed adv Conq haki at Law while he attacked and in the end panel where he tells his dialouge about end era he has blood all over him and a bit disfigured this could have been a 10/10 ending instead of 8.5 and then no question about adv coc would have been asked I think ODA missed it ther

FMmatron said:

@Danpmss

You mean her Soul Pocus?

Danpmss said:


Correct, there are a ton of people in there clearly terrified of her, though Law and Kid aren't

Sounds like easy food for her to recover some HP, at least that was what I was thinking she would do during this chapter after she healed for the first time.

FMmatron said:




You gotta consider what happened. Cracker was merely stalling Luffy. The Biscuit Soldiers were the problem not his close combat ability or his attack potenial. It's like how Pica was a pain in the ass to deal with because he hid his real body from Zoro. Once he got to him he was no problem at all.

Big Mom's weakness were that she relied to much on her iron skin, the lack of wits and that she offered so much space to attack. This was exploited by Kid and and in particular Law. In spite of that she was able to overwhelm them with brute force, but whenever she was about to finish one of them off, he got saved by the other. So the 2vs1 played a significant role here too.

We'll definitely see the aftermath of Kid's attack, don't worry. More suifuel for Kid haters, lmao.

From 8,5/10 to 10/10 just for that? Bruh, haha. Law took these punches like a champ and already ended up in even worse shape. More would've been too edgy. Besides, Big Mom didn’t look like to be in the position to let the conquerors coating flow (Me:🧢🤡) I for one think the finisher chapter in and of itself was 5/5. What could've elevated it are a bit more focus beforehand and more feats from Kid and Law, especially from Kid. He should've been featured in an arc post timeskip. Including flashback, fight etc.

@Danpmss

You mean her Soul Pocus?

FMmatron said:


Yeah, that already didn't work on Jinbe, lol.

Iirc correctly then she can only use the souls/life span of others for Hoomies(and she already did that for the metal ones) and these Homies can power up other Homies(the one created by her own soul). Healing is at the cost of her own life span.

Danpmss said:


Actually, this chapter just says she exchanged Life (寿命) to heal herself, not from her own soul, just the general lifespan term she uses in her techniques. If you go back to 1031 iirc, she specifically stated that she powered herself using a year of her own lifespan, in that case. Unsurprisingly using her own anyway, since WCI established that the soul's strength determines the strength of the homies, so no doubt if she uses her own, she will get a vastly higher boost with a year. Though it begs the question. Would the entire lifespam of those frighten warriors be equivalent to even a year of her own?

We truly never got an exact scale, so welp, no idea myself haha

FMmatron said:
@Ayu_01


Fair enough. I personally don't see the necessity for that when her devil fruit and physical damage were sufficient to deal out serious damage to these two.





Allow me to elaborate a bit more. It's her own life. As you said, she already used one year of her own life span to power herself up back in chapter 1031. It was also stated that soul fragments cannot be infused into people or corpses. It works only for objects. That's why she used the souls of the Beast Pirates only to create metal Homies. So the logical conclusion is that she isn't able to heal or power herself up with the life of others.

Morcombe1990 said:
First of all the fight was great but this is a massive letdown.

Big Mom has been built up for a decade as a major rival to Luffy so to have her lose to other characters is disappointing.

Then we have the problem of OTHER characters actually beating a yonkou BEFORE Luffy has done so, thats a poor choice narratively, if they have to win then it should have been AFTER Luffy had taken down Kaido, because now Luffy's victory will be much less impressive considering kaido has taken damage from the scabbards, yamato and the supernova whie Big Mom has only taken damage from Law and Kid, two characters who have failed to split the heavens.

This makes Luffy look so bad comparatively since Big Mom and Kaido are suppsoed to be equals and thats what disappoints me most about this chapter.
Law and Kid didnt need to split the heavens, they didnt need advanced conquerers haki or ryou but Luffy needed all of that plus major help from FIFTEEN other characters to beat Kaido.

Danpmss said:


While that would definitely be true regarding whether she can extend her life with it, using it to cure her bones is not exactly out of question... unless, of course, the bones count as "corpse", and therefore she would need to use source soul power to do her thing, indeed.

We seen her healing back to live her once souless son only with his own soul being reinjected before, after all, it's more than evidence enough that at the very least injecting souls into the original body can be done as long as it's their own (even if they died like Moscato).

But then again, that only makes me imagine she will burn more or her lifespan the next chapter and heal, I really don't think this juggernaut is done yet tbh lol

Using them to create homies to do the job for her while she heals is also not out of question for now. I guess I really just want to see more of Big Mom kicking ass or something HUE

But as the guy above said, it just feels like it was too easy, considering how much of a combined effort Kaido has been up to this point in comparison.

FMmatron said:




It definitely makes you think. A few things have to be kept mind. I already mentioned the difference between Doflamingo and Big Mom. The next opponent doesn't necessarily have to be the stronger one or that gives you bigger trouble. Crocodile and Enel were more powerful than Lucci in the grand scheme of things. They had OP devil fruits, but Lucci is a close combat powerhouse who gave Luffy more trouble. Luffy was used to overpower his opponents physically, he hasn't faced an opponent like that before. Enel's lightning powers were useless dirsctly aimed at Luffy. Mr.1 can't do shit to Buggy. Luffy had a hard time to overcome the Biscuit Soldiers. Zoro or Doflamingo could've cut their way through them, I imagine. So yeah, there are favorable match, ones that leave you at a disadvantage and all inbetween. I think this makes power dynamics in One Piece interesting.

Now the major difference between Luffy and Law in this case is that Luffy was already in a good starting position. Law wore out Doflamingo and wounded him badly with his Gamma Knife, true. But Luffy absolutely mopped him once he went Fourth Gear. He was barely able to fight back. This didn't do Law's rep any favors. Furthermore, we saw Luffy evolving even beyond that during Whole Cake Island. Law on the other hand didn't do shit on screen. The contrast here is sharp. One could argue that he did some training or had some techniques up his sleeve that wouldn't have worked on Doffy. The latter sounds plausible. I don't think there's a point in trying fancy moves which require so much stamina that wouldn't have worked on Doffy anyway; Big Mom is an easier target and he had Kid on his side. The training argument isn't as potent. I mean, telling it to yourself doesn't carry the same weight as seeing it firsthand.

All things considered I think Big Mom's defeat at the hand of two characters of the caliber of Kid and Law is within reason.