| Why do people hate on Hayao Miyazak? I haven't really watched a lot of the Ghibli films, but from what I've seen, they're pretty good. I heard it was something about Miyazaki being an asshole to the Anime community. |
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| I have no clue. Maybe he let his fame get to his head? His movies are amazing though ^^ (the ones he directed) |
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Feaor said: This is why: Did he actually say that? |
| Miyazaki had said a lot of things over the years, but the man is truly a master in the world of Anime. He's made many great Anime during his career. Look at Paul McCartney. He's a great musician and songwriter, but I've heard that he's the biggest asshole you could ever meet in real life. |
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| he hates otakus and moe and he thinks that they ruined anime. ^ this is why he is hated even though anime has become 99% otaku pandering shit even though generic, silly and cheap props are being used/OVERused in anime to appeal to the viewer's dick instead of his brain even though he is 10000% right ..... he is hated. welcome to MAL :) |
ZA_WAYDMar 30, 2015 1:51 PM
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| His work aside, he's annoyingly ostentatious and unnecessarily bashful. Like the picture ^ shown above, his various comments on otaku culture and just things in general. He even made disparaging comments towards Tezuka because of Tezuka innovating animation, which paved the way for Miyazaki's competitors. I just can't take anything he says seriously |
| Because he's a grumpy geezer, who don't like the fact that people are making anime in a different way than him. |
| Pretty much what people said. He has always been very vocal in his hatred and bashing, even with people from his own studio, but has grown a quite grumpy image of himself lately. That of course should be separated from the actual value of his work, but you know, this is the internet. |
| I'm not exactly sure but Miyazaki has been badmouthing anime in general. He says it's become an alternative way that otakus find sexual pleasure in. And he labels Otaku as the worst thing. |
| Miyazaki is an elitist. He will always hate. |
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monarchyanarchy said: He even made disparaging comments towards Tezuka because of Tezuka innovating animation, which paved the way for Miyazaki's competitors. In all fairness, though, Tezuka is a bit of a "character" himself, and hardly someone worth idolizing in his entirety. I can wholeheartedly understand Miyazaki's (not even that disparaging, if I may add) feelings in that regard, despite that awkwardly-worded 1989 quote. Now, as to why the man's disliked, he fits the "talented but highly reclusive artist that is unable to cope with reality" persona to a T. It's not really much of a new thing in the field, but the fact that he's popular puts him a bit more in the spotlight. |
WAD1992 said: he hates otakus and moe and he thinks that they ruined anime. ^ this is why he is hated even though anime has become 99% otaku pandering shit even though generic, silly and cheap props are being used/OVERused in anime to appeal to the viewer's dick instead of his brain even though he is 10000% right ..... he is hated. welcome to MAL :) Yeah well I'd agree that moe is shit and that they ruined anime. Otakus are gross. I'd agree. Some stuff I like that was probably based towards otakus (MM!, maybe?, Oreimo, Maybe?), but mostly NO. Just no. There's a difference between being an 'anime fan' and being an Otaku. Spirited away, howl's moving castle, Ponyo, Grave of the fireflies, Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind, the cat returns, lupata, princess mononoke, were the most amazing anime movies i've ever seen and nothing really has topped them. |
dakotasapphireMar 30, 2015 2:13 PM
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monarchyanarchy said: Tezuka kinda made anime into shit imo. He's responsible for the whole 2~ minute recap, 3 minutes of reused anime theme song and 30 second preview bullshit. He's the epitome of limited animation.His work aside, he's annoyingly ostentatious and unnecessarily bashful. Like the picture ^ shown above, his various comments on otaku culture and just things in general. He even made disparaging comments towards Tezuka because of Tezuka innovating animation, which paved the way for Miyazaki's competitors. I just can't take anything he says seriously |
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| Don't know much about him specifically, but I love Ghibli movies, so he's more than k in my book. |
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| Mononoke, spirited away and howl's moving castle are the only ones I like |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
-Klad- said: I'm not exactly sure but Miyazaki has been badmouthing anime in general. He says it's become an alternative way that otakus find sexual pleasure in. And he labels Otaku as the worst thing. |
DoctorCaim said: monarchyanarchy said: Tezuka kinda made anime into shit imo. He's responsible for the whole 2~ minute recap, 3 minutes of reused anime theme song and 30 second preview bullshit. He's the epitome of limited animation.His work aside, he's annoyingly ostentatious and unnecessarily bashful. Like the picture ^ shown above, his various comments on otaku culture and just things in general. He even made disparaging comments towards Tezuka because of Tezuka innovating animation, which paved the way for Miyazaki's competitors. I just can't take anything he says seriously Yeah well I hate him then. I didn't really like 'astro boy' |
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| Props for his good work but he has no power to control the definition of anime, it is always changing as time goes on where as this old man still thinking that true anime was only created about a decade ago. |
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 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
-Klad- said: I'm not exactly sure but Miyazaki has been badmouthing anime in general. He says it's become an alternative way that otakus find sexual pleasure in. And he labels Otaku as the worst thing. Isn't that like at least partially true. |
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| I like his stuff but he seems like an edgy old fuck. He needs to chill, people will jerk off to anything. |
| Is it that time of the month for a Miyazaki thread again? ARegularOtaku said: Did he actually say that? http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/anime-was-a-mistake In the documentary, The Kingdom of Dreams and Madness, from where a couple of those absolutely mistranslated/uncontexed 'quotes' above were supposedly taken, he says he's a 20th century man in a 21st century world. Watching this it's pretty clear it's not that he hates anime or otaku, per se, but rather how the world in general has become. One of the best scenes I've seen recently is when he's sitting in profile in his very normal kitchen at his flat near Ghibli, flanked by pictures of kids playing in Fukushima before the disaster and with his ever-present cigarette, just being the unfiltered, ultra-pessimist Miyazaki: "You know, people who design airplanes and machines . . . no matter how much they believe that what they do is good, the winds of time eventually turn them into tools of industrial civilization. It's never unscathed. They're cursed dreams. Animation too." Interviewer: "Cursed dreams?" "Today, all of humanity's dreams are cursed somehow. Beautiful yet cursed dreams. I'm not even talking about wanting to be rich or famous. Forget that, that's just hopeless. What I mean is, how do we know movies are even worthwhile? If you really think about it, is this not just some grand hobby? Maybe there was a time when you could make films that mattered, but now? Most of our world is rubbish. [Pauses as he lights another cigarette] It's difficult." Honestly, watching this might change the way many people look at him and his films. The moment when he's sitting at his desk alone in the studio checking key frames for 'The Wind Rises' and then offhandedly comments that 'Porco Rosso' was a foolish film was almost heartbreaking in that he can't even be kind to himself and realize what he has created. Primeval said: Props for his good work but he has no power to control the definition of anime He doesn't want to. The state of the industry is merely a symptom of the larger decline in values to him. And he doesn't use the word 'anime' in conversation or writing. For him, it's purely 'animation', a decision which I highly respect. |
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PoeticJustice said: I like his stuff but he seems like an edgy old fuck. He needs to chill, people will jerk off to anything. all of this |
| Other than what happened between him and late night anime industry, he is also often criticize the government out of his own leftist-pacifist idealism and of 'Japan is bad and should be ashamed about itself' guilt trip. He is also a staunch old man of Japan traditionalism. I suspect he want Japan to become a hermit nation again just like North Korea. |
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retrogamer32x said: I've gotta be honest, I kind of agree with him about Porco Rosso, I never liked that movie. Why is a pig man in a war/plane movie!? Resisting... Urge to... Go on a wild tangent... |
azzuRe said: WutOther than what happened between him and late night anime industry, he is also often criticize the government out of his own leftist-pacifist idealism and of 'Japan is bad and should be ashamed about itself' guilt trip. He is also a staunch old man of Japan traditionalism. I suspect he want Japan to become a hermit nation again just like North Korea. The Japanese government is pretty shit. I agree with his view on that part, you're highly exaggerating retrogamer32x said: Otaku /=/ introverts. When he refers to otaku he's talking about the kind who have an "unhealthy" obsession with anime. The pillow fucking, figurine cumming, hentai licking kind.EDIT: For the record, I disagree with Miyazaki on those comments about otaku as well. I think some of the most brilliant - and creative - people are ones who are eccentric and shut away from other people. Martin Scorcese is like that, here's something Roger Ebert said about him that I think is true of all creative people: Scorsese is the right director - the only director - for this material. He knows it inside out. The great formative experience of his life was growing up in New York's Little Italy as an outsider who observed everything - an asthmatic kid who couldn't play sports, whose health was too bad to allow him to lead a normal childhood, who was often overlooked, but never missed a thing. There is a passage early in the film in which young Henry Hill looks out the window of his family's apartment and observes with awe and envy the swagger of the low-level wise guys in the social club across the street, impressed by the fact that they got girls, drove hot cars, had money, that the cops never gave them tickets, that even when their loud parties lasted all night, nobody ever called the police. That was the life he wanted to lead, the narrator tells us. The memory may come from Hill and may be in Pileggi's book, but the memory also is Scorsese's, and in the 23 years I have known him, we have never had a conversation that did not touch at some point on that central image in his vision of himself - of the kid in the window, watching the neighborhood gangsters. http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/goodfellas-1990 That is also one reason I respect Yoshiyuki Tomino a lot, he was always battling Sunrise over using his shows (Gundam, Ideon, etc.) as vehicles for toys, but he found a way to make it work in spite of the corporate influence. It's very easy for Miyazaki to set back and criticize, when he doesn't have to work within the same economic parameters most directors do. |
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azzuRe said: Other than what happened between him and late night anime industry, he is also often criticize the government out of his own leftist-pacifist idealism and of 'Japan is bad and should be ashamed about itself' guilt trip. He is also a staunch old man of Japan traditionalism. I suspect he want Japan to become a hermit nation again just like North Korea. Japan is just as corrupt as any country (Ehem the USA BLEH). He isn't entirely wrong about that. |
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retrogamer32x said: I've gotta be honest, I kind of agree with him about Porco Rosso, I never liked that movie. Why is a pig man in a war/plane movie!? He wanted to mix various narrative fetishes of him in the same movie: pigs, planes, Italy xD But actually, I found it quite great. More reminiscent of classic Hollywood atmosphere than anime, though. |
retrogamer32x said: DoctorCaim said: When he refers to otaku he's talking about the kind who have an "unhealthy" obsession with anime. I guess, but who is he to decide what's unhealthy? I don't know, I'm just not the type to tell other people how to live their lives, it kind of rubs me the wrong way that he bothers to say it in the first place. Unhealthy= harmful to health. Meaning, they don't do much else besides watch anime to the point of getting sick and having twisted psychs. Watch Welcome to the NHK!, You'll see plenty of good reasons in that show. |
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jal90 said: retrogamer32x said: I've gotta be honest, I kind of agree with him about Porco Rosso, I never liked that movie. Why is a pig man in a war/plane movie!? He wanted to mix various narrative fetishes of him in the same movie: pigs, planes, Italy xD But actually, I found it quite great. More reminiscent of classic Hollywood atmosphere than anime, though. I couldn't get through the past 10 mins. Maybe I should watch it again? o-o |
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retrogamer32x said: Mid-90s interview with Animerica Magazine:Why is a pig man in a war/plane movie!? |
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retrogamer32x said: Well, Miyazaki's life revolves around animation. These kind of otaku (The kind Miyazaki is very much referring to)DoctorCaim said: When he refers to otaku he's talking about the kind who have an "unhealthy" obsession with anime. I guess, but who is he to decide what's unhealthy? I don't know, I'm just not the type to tell other people how to live their lives, it kind of rubs me the wrong way that he bothers to say it in the first place. practically set the trend and state of anime because they're the ones mainly funding it. I can kind of understand Miyazaki's frustration really. He's been working with the medium for years now but people never associate anime in his vision. Lots of people don't see it as some kind of entertainment medium, they see it as some kind of hentai action shounen naruto shit. |
PeenusWeenusCaimMar 30, 2015 2:45 PM
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| People hate him for being honest. He's not entirely wrong either. |
DoctorCaim said: I can kind of understand Miyazaki's frustration really. I can't. Anime in the 70s is really different from anime in 2015. In the 70s, one man with a pen could sit down and, given enough time and effort, produce an anime that could actually air on TV. Budget: almost nothing. Profit: lots. Now, anime is produced by teams numbering around 40-80 artists plus outsourced talent. Budget: Huge. Profit: Neglible As a result, the big anime productions have to appeal to the ones with the deepest wallets and most hard core obsession. What audience is this but otaku? What happened in between those years, is the industry's fault, including Miyazaki, in the quest to get to the high production values they wanted; they burned the bridges behind themselves, and got themselves stuck in this corner. TL;DR - Miyazaki is his own worst enemy. Video games are facing the same problem right now. Singular developers can't make money anymore without huge amounts of luck. For every "Minecraft" there are a million "Afterfall Insanity". There are simply too many games coming out with high production values. And people won't even look at a basic side scrolling 2D game unless it somehow catches fire on the word-of-mouth train. Same thing with anime. Have you seen how seasonal shorts are ignored just here on MAL? |
Red_TuesdayMar 30, 2015 2:57 PM
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Red_Tuesday said: What. First off you're completely wrong about indie games, right now singular developers are getting more and more acclaim to fame than ever before. Five Night's at Freddy (I don't like this game but most recent example) is a huge success for example. Cave Story has a cult following and is now for sale on huge distribution companies. Minecraft made Notch into a billionaire. Limbo received fame as well. The Forest is going strong...DoctorCaim said: I can kind of understand Miyazaki's frustration really. I can't. Anime in the 70s is really different from anime in 2015. In the 70s, one man with a pen could sit down and, given enough time and effort, produce an anime that could actually air on TV. Budget: almost nothing. Profit: lots. Now, anime is produced by teams numbering around 40-80 artists plus outsourced talent. Budget: Huge. Profit: Neglible As a result, the big anime productions have to appeal to the ones with the deepest wallets and most hard core obsession. What audience is this but otaku? What happened in between those years, is the industry's fault, including Miyazaki, in the quest to get to the high production values they wanted; they burned the bridges behind themselves, and got themselves stuck in this corner. TL;DR - Miyazaki is his own worst enemy. Video games are facing the same problem right now. Singular developers can't make money anymore. There are simply too many games coming out with high production values. And people won't even look at a basic side scrolling 2D game unless it somehow catches fire on the word-of-mouth train. Same thing with anime. Have you seen how seasonal shorts are ignored just here on MAL? You're completely wrong. Years ago, if you so much as created a decent game for PC, it would have received almost no attention. And no, anime of the 70s were atrocious. Tezuka's techniques of limited animation spread like wildfire to other shows, Uchuu Senkan Yamato (1974) being a prime example. Despite it's popularity, it's animation is shit, and you can completely see countless uses of budget saving techniques from recaps, theme songs, and jerky movements. Reciprocal said: /thread right here. Miyazaki is honest, I don't necessarily agree with some of his views but I can understand and respect some of his opinions.People hate him for being honest. He's not entirely wrong either. |
PeenusWeenusCaimMar 30, 2015 3:07 PM
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DoctorCaim said: Red_Tuesday said: What. First off you're completely wrong about indie games, right now singular developers are getting more and more acclaim to fame than ever before. Five Night's at Freddy (I don't like this game but most recent example) is a huge success for example. Cave Story has a cult following and is now for sale on huge distribution companies. Minecraft made Notch into a billionaire. Limbo received fame as well. The Forest is going strong...I can't. Anime in the 70s is really different from anime in 2015. In the 70s, one man with a pen could sit down and, given enough time and effort, produce an anime that could actually air on TV. Budget: almost nothing. Profit: lots. Now, anime is produced by teams numbering around 40-80 artists plus outsourced talent. Budget: Huge. Profit: Neglible As a result, the big anime productions have to appeal to the ones with the deepest wallets and most hard core obsession. What audience is this but otaku? What happened in between those years, is the industry's fault, including Miyazaki, in the quest to get to the high production values they wanted; they burned the bridges behind themselves, and got themselves stuck in this corner. TL;DR - Miyazaki is his own worst enemy. Video games are facing the same problem right now. Singular developers can't make money anymore. There are simply too many games coming out with high production values. And people won't even look at a basic side scrolling 2D game unless it somehow catches fire on the word-of-mouth train. Same thing with anime. Have you seen how seasonal shorts are ignored just here on MAL? You're completely wrong. Years ago, if you so much as created a decent game for PC, it would have received almost no attention. You claim I'm wrong by proving my point. For every indie game developer that 'makes it', (at which Five Nights is THE biggest indie hit of the past few months) there are hundreds - on Steam alone - releasing their games in the same damn month and not even sniffing a buck. Five Nights at Freddy's came out in august 2014. 211 other games came out that month. I won't be sitting here sifting through them all, but I bet if you go check yourself, you'll find less than 10% of those games have more than a dozen reviews and more than a thread or two in the discussion. Even among the positively rated ones. |
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Red_Tuesday said: Have you thought that maybe those indie games are just shit? Do you really think that just because it's indie, it's automatically good?You claim I'm wrong by proving my point. For every indie game developer that 'makes it', (at which Five Nights is THE biggest indie hit of the past few months) there are hundreds - on Steam alone - releasing their games in the same damn month and not even sniffing a buck. Five Nights at Freddy's came out in august 2014. 211 other games came out that month. I won't be sitting here sifting through them all, but I bet if you go check yourself, you'll find less than 10% of those games have more than a dozen reviews and more than a thread or two in the discussion. Even among the positively rated ones. Check this guy out https://www.youtube.com/user/JimSterling/videos Every 2 days or so, he picks a random indie game from Steam and plays it. The results are atrocious. Some aren't even complete fucking games. |
PeenusWeenusCaimMar 30, 2015 3:35 PM
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Red_Tuesday said: DoctorCaim said: I can kind of understand Miyazaki's frustration really. I can't. Anime in the 70s is really different from anime in 2015. In the 70s, one man with a pen could sit down and, given enough time and effort, produce an anime that could actually air on TV. Budget: almost nothing. Profit: lots. Now, anime is produced by teams numbering around 40-80 artists plus outsourced talent. Budget: Huge. Profit: Neglible As a result, the big anime productions have to appeal to the ones with the deepest wallets and most hard core obsession. What audience is this but otaku? What happened in between those years, is the industry's fault, including Miyazaki, in the quest to get to the high production values they wanted; they burned the bridges behind themselves, and got themselves stuck in this corner. TL;DR - Miyazaki is his own worst enemy. Video games are facing the same problem right now. Singular developers can't make money anymore without huge amounts of luck. For every "Minecraft" there are a million "Afterfall Insanity". There are simply too many games coming out with high production values. And people won't even look at a basic side scrolling 2D game unless it somehow catches fire on the word-of-mouth train. Same thing with anime. Have you seen how seasonal shorts are ignored just here on MAL? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-05 Please read this before you make comments about cost. |
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| The best anime director of all time |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
Comic_Sans said: He spoke the truth though |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
Okashi_sama said: Because he's a grumpy geezer, who don't like the fact that people are making anime in a different way than him. |
ButNotForMe said: Yes, but there are a lot of people who don't like the truthComic_Sans said: He spoke the truth though |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Pretty sure half of the people in this topic don't know what the hell they're talking about. |
| He has made some of my favorite movies. The man has a talent that few have. I really respect him for that. But nowadays, he is more concerned with being an edgy old fuck. Just shut up. |
| I don't hate him, but he and Ghibli have made a lot of Children and family works which aren't really my forte. |
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