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Aug 5, 2021 5:32 PM
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I can't believe the day would come when I feel bad for.. TEPPEI, of all characters in this series
Aug 5, 2021 5:39 PM

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So now we've explained what happens to Satoko if Satoko dies first, but I wonder what happens to Rika herself after that? I've been thinking this little rule is repetitive with the effect of onigari-no-ryuuou explained in Gou. Rika kills herself or Satoko with that and it's done, but then we found out all she needed to do was kill Satoko first in any way and it's probably done.

I had to laugh at the "pool of pity", Satoko sure is having fun as the villain in the moment.
Aug 5, 2021 6:38 PM

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Si1verR0se said:

c) he may write more Higurashi, like "Keichi's children" or smth like this, and that "characters of Higurashi can be put in any timeline, i.e. 2000+ years"


So thats why Ciconia phase 2 was delayed. Cant wait for Rika and Satokos descendants to duke it out.
Aug 5, 2021 6:40 PM

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Erotaku_ said:
OK episode. Part A felt like a drag. I guess we now know Satoko can't die before Rika, but other than that, the same old.

prepare4trouble said:
So now we've explained what happens to Satoko if Satoko dies first
Are you guys kidding or am I finally going mad?
Wasn't this repeated before, for probably multiple times already? ._.
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids.
Aug 5, 2021 6:55 PM
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Hulio said:
Erotaku_ said:
OK episode. Part A felt like a drag. I guess we now know Satoko can't die before Rika, but other than that, the same old.

prepare4trouble said:
So now we've explained what happens to Satoko if Satoko dies first
Are you guys kidding or am I finally going mad?
Wasn't this repeated before, for probably multiple times already? ._.

We are all going mad at this point. Maybe this was ryukishis intention with this entry all along, the Hinamizawa syndrome 4D experience
Aug 5, 2021 7:20 PM

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Damn Satoko's playing everyone like a fiddle.
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because.

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Hulio said:
Erotaku_ said:
OK episode. Part A felt like a drag. I guess we now know Satoko can't die before Rika, but other than that, the same old.

prepare4trouble said:
So now we've explained what happens to Satoko if Satoko dies first
Are you guys kidding or am I finally going mad?
Wasn't this repeated before, for probably multiple times already? ._.

Honestly, I don't remember.
I assumed it was new, because they presented like it was a important rule and was almost hinted that this was going to be a key point down the road.
Aug 5, 2021 7:24 PM

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Hulio said:
Erotaku_ said:
OK episode. Part A felt like a drag. I guess we now know Satoko can't die before Rika, but other than that, the same old.

prepare4trouble said:
So now we've explained what happens to Satoko if Satoko dies first
Are you guys kidding or am I finally going mad?
Wasn't this repeated before, for probably multiple times already? ._.


It wasn't just repeated.
Satoko has also died multiple times already before Rika.

Well don't be mad at them. The show cant even stay on track with its own rules. I suppose it is natural for some viewers to be confused.
Aug 5, 2021 7:25 PM

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dude satoko how u treated my SSR teppei is outrageous.
Aug 5, 2021 8:28 PM
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ssjokg said:
Oh wow, ends up that the context for the leaks is actually worse than we thought. Instead of Satoko somewhat regretting something, she just faked everything.

TBH it is our fault for expecting something out of it.

Eua is just getting into my nerves. She only exists to mocks us and try to convince us that whatever Satoko is doing is interesting to watch.

And congratz on the series explaining to us AGAIN, that Satoko shouldnt die before Rika, even tho she has killed herself countless times for bs reasons or her plans.

Why is Teppei his old self when it matters for the plot? Oh right...

Great writing Ryuukishi or whoever made this bullshit.


This thing makes me so brain dead I actually forgot the condition of Satoko needing to die after Rika and not the other way around for her to land on the same fragment, and yet we had so many instances of Satoko killing herself/"jumping" to different fragments to get her way in some retarded game.

I know we shouldn't expect much of this shitshow, but man.... It really IS a shitshow.
Aug 5, 2021 8:47 PM
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ssjokg said:
Hulio said:

Are you guys kidding or am I finally going mad?
Wasn't this repeated before, for probably multiple times already? ._.


It wasn't just repeated.
Satoko has also died multiple times already before Rika.

Well don't be mad at them. The show cant even stay on track with its own rules. I suppose it is natural for some viewers to be confused.

Well, actually, it wasn't a rule when Satoko started looping. She asked Featherine to make Rika remember loops in the end of Satokowashi(iirc it happened in 23rd episode, before she steals a H173). So this "rule" wasn't established when Satoko sucided in card game and when she opened a locker with H173.
But then again, whe they showed us how Satoko was training with gun they didn't tell that it's a flashback... Even if it is a flashback, this moment is caused a lot of confusion. Remember when in Gou they showed us EVERY date of each day? Now fuck that, they never showed us the date.
Also, I still wonder what was Featherine's reason to take Satoko? I mean, if it was Satoko from OG(let's forget that if it was in Matsury world, there wouldn't be such bs as "going to St Lucia" or "they both forget about each other"), she probably would've just talk with Rika, and nothing bad would've happened. If it's "the mightiest bully" type of story, why not take someone like Teppei or Rina? It'll be more interisting for her. Oh yeah, they're not main characters, so no one would care about them...

Imagine if it'll be "I just got bored" lmao. The laziest motivation in writing ever(it'll probably work for Featherine, but it'll be bullshit for story) lmao

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c) he may write more Higurashi, like "Keichi's children" or smth like this, and that "characters of Higurashi can be put in any timeline, i.e. 2000+ years"


So thats why Ciconia phase 2 was delayed. Cant wait for Rika and Satokos descendants to duke it out.

No, he didn't say that he "working" on it. He said that "Some day, I may do it, if I'll feel like it". Kinda like "The Higurashi will never end"
Also, iirc Ciconia was delayed because "it was hitting too close to home"(implying something close to crown virus was present in VN). Don't know about current state of Ciconia though. But afaik Ryukishi "Would like to return to Ciconia till the end of this year", so he probably didn't write anything after covid started. We have to wait at least one more year. But hey, he did write(said that he've write, even though SotsuGou's script is Naoki Hayashi's doing) script for SotsuGou smh
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Si1verR0se said:
ssjokg said:


It wasn't just repeated.
Satoko has also died multiple times already before Rika.

Well don't be mad at them. The show cant even stay on track with its own rules. I suppose it is natural for some viewers to be confused.

Well, actually, it wasn't a rule when Satoko started looping. She asked Featherine to make Rika remember loops in the end of Satokowashi(iirc it happened in 23rd episode, before she steals a H173). So this "rule" wasn't established when Satoko sucided in card game and when she opened a locker with H173.
But then again, whe they showed us how Satoko was training with gun they didn't tell that it's a flashback... Even if it is a flashback, this moment is caused a lot of confusion. Remember when in Gou they showed us EVERY date of each day? Now fuck that, they never showed us the date.

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So thats why Ciconia phase 2 was delayed. Cant wait for Rika and Satokos descendants to duke it out.

No, he didn't say that he "working" on it. He said that "Some day, I may do it, if I'll feel like it". Kinda like "The Higurashi will never end"
Also, iirc Ciconia was delayed because "it was hitting too close to home"(implying something close to crown virus was present in VN). Don't know about current state of Ciconia though. But afaik Ryukishi "Would like to return to Ciconia till the end of this year", so he probably didn't write anything after covid started. We have to wait at least one more year. But hey, he did write(said that he've write, even though SotsuGou's script is Naoki Hayashi's doing) script for SotsuGou smh


There is no reason for the rule to not be in effect before.

Not like it matters since fragments aren't linear and it shouldn't affect Satoko when she dies.

Aug 5, 2021 9:26 PM

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Hulio said:
Erotaku_ said:
OK episode. Part A felt like a drag. I guess we now know Satoko can't die before Rika, but other than that, the same old.

prepare4trouble said:
So now we've explained what happens to Satoko if Satoko dies first
Are you guys kidding or am I finally going mad?
Wasn't this repeated before, for probably multiple times already? ._.


Um, I might have missed it, but wasn't it just said before that Satoko couldn't follow her, without explaining in detail what that meant? So for the first time we know Rika wouldn't exist, period? While before some assumed that Satoko would just have a Rika that didn't remember shit?

Personally I want to see the Rika-less world and I hope they do it. But Sotsu seems to stray from the possible interesting and just retread things so I won't count on it.
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ssjokg said:
Si1verR0se said:

Well, actually, it wasn't a rule when Satoko started looping. She asked Featherine to make Rika remember loops in the end of Satokowashi(iirc it happened in 23rd episode, before she steals a H173). So this "rule" wasn't established when Satoko sucided in card game and when she opened a locker with H173.
But then again, whe they showed us how Satoko was training with gun they didn't tell that it's a flashback... Even if it is a flashback, this moment is caused a lot of confusion. Remember when in Gou they showed us EVERY date of each day? Now fuck that, they never showed us the date.


No, he didn't say that he "working" on it. He said that "Some day, I may do it, if I'll feel like it". Kinda like "The Higurashi will never end"
Also, iirc Ciconia was delayed because "it was hitting too close to home"(implying something close to crown virus was present in VN). Don't know about current state of Ciconia though. But afaik Ryukishi "Would like to return to Ciconia till the end of this year", so he probably didn't write anything after covid started. We have to wait at least one more year. But hey, he did write(said that he've write, even though SotsuGou's script is Naoki Hayashi's doing) script for SotsuGou smh


There is no reason for the rule to not be in effect before.

Not like it matters since fragments aren't linear and it shouldn't affect Satoko when she dies.


Satoko asked Featherine to make Rika remember, and she take(probably) Rika from the world where she chandelier-snapped Rika and herself out of existence.
The rule wasn't there from the beginning, because... Eua doesn't care lmao. It's Satoko who add rules, but it's Featherine who redacted them, or add some debuffs to them.
But their lack of dates and weird chronology is confusing here. Because Satoko asks Featherine to make Rika remember before she steals H173, so either she killed Rika every time, or she has "Dagger of time", or... they didn't care for this episode lmao

I'm still wondering why the fuck Rika didn't ever thought about Satoko in all Gou? Like "Maybe it's my KARMA because of what I did with Satoko?" or smth like that.
Aug 5, 2021 9:58 PM
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Here's how I would structure Gou in chronological order: Episode 18 - Episode 21 before the chandelier scene. Then Episode 22 - Episode 24. Then the chandelier scene from Episode 21. Then Episode 1 - 17.

This way Satoko practiced the memory card game, met her reformed uncle, and opened the briefcase by brute force with the H173 in her preparation to chase the Rika who remembers the previous fragments. She kills herself before Rika in these training loops.

So this means the training with the gun montage in Episode 4 of Sotsu was a flashback before the chandelier scene.

After Satoko commits to chasing Rika by dying after Rika, Eua introduces a new rule: dying before Rika now will mean Satoko experiences a world without Rika. Training time is over. The real game begins with Episode 1 of Gou/Sotsu.

This may not be the author's intention, but it makes the most sense to me.
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Si1verR0se said:
ssjokg said:


There is no reason for the rule to not be in effect before.

Not like it matters since fragments aren't linear and it shouldn't affect Satoko when she dies.


Satoko asked Featherine to make Rika remember, and she take(probably) Rika from the world where she chandelier-snapped Rika and herself out of existence.
The rule wasn't there from the beginning, because... Eua doesn't care lmao. It's Satoko who add rules, but it's Featherine who redacted them, or add some debuffs to them.
But their lack of dates and weird chronology is confusing here. Because Satoko asks Featherine to make Rika remember before she steals H173, so either she killed Rika every time, or she has "Dagger of time", or... they didn't care for this episode lmao

I'm still wondering why the fuck Rika didn't ever thought about Satoko in all Gou? Like "Maybe it's my KARMA because of what I did with Satoko?" or smth like that.
yeah i forgot about that.

Still the fact is that the rule is established before shs steals the drug and right after she sees Teppei change, so the gun scenes muat happen after the rule is set.
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ssjokg said:
Si1verR0se said:

Satoko asked Featherine to make Rika remember, and she take(probably) Rika from the world where she chandelier-snapped Rika and herself out of existence.
The rule wasn't there from the beginning, because... Eua doesn't care lmao. It's Satoko who add rules, but it's Featherine who redacted them, or add some debuffs to them.
But their lack of dates and weird chronology is confusing here. Because Satoko asks Featherine to make Rika remember before she steals H173, so either she killed Rika every time, or she has "Dagger of time", or... they didn't care for this episode lmao

I'm still wondering why the fuck Rika didn't ever thought about Satoko in all Gou? Like "Maybe it's my KARMA because of what I did with Satoko?" or smth like that.
yeah i forgot about that.

Still the fact is that the rule is established before shs steals the drug and right after she sees Teppei change, so the gun scenes muat happen after the rule is set.

Nah, I have a better question:
Why Rika didn't noticed that Satoko is being away for too long? Afaik they live together, but as Wataakashi showed us, Satoko spending a lot of time at Teppei house. There's no way Rika wouldn't noticed that
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Si1verR0se said:
ssjokg said:
yeah i forgot about that.

Still the fact is that the rule is established before shs steals the drug and right after she sees Teppei change, so the gun scenes muat happen after the rule is set.

Nah, I have a better question:
Why Rika didn't noticed that Satoko is being away for too long? Afaik they live together, but as Wataakashi showed us, Satoko spending a lot of time at Teppei house. There's no way Rika wouldn't noticed that
i do you one better.

Why didn't Rika get suspicious when Satoko started talking about how good Hinamizawa was to them, when Satoko was an outcast or when she talked about Oyashiro sama as if she was THE believer and why did Rika listen when she knows it is a sham?

It doesn't make sense for that scene to happen like that.
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This is so painful to watch in the bad sense. At least I hope that lame scene with Satoko persuading Rika makes the latter finally realize that her dear "friend" may be up to something.

Well, what can I say? Another snoozefest of an episode. Satoko playing the abused victim role for this specific arc was already a given since the moment GOU presented her as another looper so her manipulating simp Teppei here wasn't that much of a surprise. Anyways, now let's see how she seduces Keiichi into mobilizing the entire village for a social cause while also waiting for the right moment to painlessly inject Ooishi.
Aug 6, 2021 12:00 AM

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After reading the TIPS where Teppei seriously considered using Satoko for his own sexual gratification, there was no way in hell I was ever going to view him in a different light, redemption never once crossed my mind. I'd sooner tear my throat out before I ever start feeling pity for the scumbag, it gives me the creeps to see him being embarrassed and freaking out over learning his "precious niece" was being shunned by the village.

And seeing Satoko devolve into a manipulative ungrateful brat who destroys her own friendships in the name of imprisoning Rika Furude makes me want to commit die. I can see why the leaks happened, someone's just really sick of Ryukishi's BS.
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ssjokg said:
Danpmss said:


You can praise AND criticize this work, but to you it seems binary and mutually exclusive, it takes one to see your posts are generally negative in nature always, and treating this as not having redeeming qualities. Do as you will, I'm done talking with you already, it's a waste of time. You are the very definition of a Doomposter.

Nitpicks arent criticism. Saying something is wrong or bad and then disregarding it isnt criticism.
It IS binary. A series can be overall bad and have some good parts. It doesnt have to be overall good with some bad parts.

Yes they are negative in nature since middle of Gou because it doesnt have redeeming qualities unless you are a 12 year old, easily impressed by something like Elfen Lied and Mirai Nikki. I am so sorry that I couldnt get into your hype train and praise every shit writing that was thrown at me without question.

If this wasnt a WTC series none of you would have anything good to say and would criticize it for the nonsensical loli torture porn that it is just like any other bullshit loli torture porn that came after 2011.

You are the definition of a fanboy wanker. Lets see how far this name calling will get us shall we?





I wish I can like your post lol.
Aug 6, 2021 3:46 AM

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ssjokg said:
Oh wow, ends up that the context for the leaks is actually worse than we thought. Instead of Satoko somewhat regretting something, she just faked everything.

TBH it is our fault for expecting something out of it.

Eua is just getting into my nerves. She only exists to mocks us and try to convince us that whatever Satoko is doing is interesting to watch.

And congratz on the series explaining to us AGAIN, that Satoko shouldnt die before Rika, even tho she has killed herself countless times for bs reasons or her plans.

Why is Teppei his old self when it matters for the plot? Oh right...

Great writing Ryuukishi or whoever made this bullshit.


Can you share a link to the leaks?
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jTiKey said:
ssjokg said:
Oh wow, ends up that the context for the leaks is actually worse than we thought. Instead of Satoko somewhat regretting something, she just faked everything.

TBH it is our fault for expecting something out of it.

Eua is just getting into my nerves. She only exists to mocks us and try to convince us that whatever Satoko is doing is interesting to watch.

And congratz on the series explaining to us AGAIN, that Satoko shouldnt die before Rika, even tho she has killed herself countless times for bs reasons or her plans.

Why is Teppei his old self when it matters for the plot? Oh right...

Great writing Ryuukishi or whoever made this bullshit.


Can you share a link to the leaks?
there is a thread in this titles discussion page.
Aug 6, 2021 5:41 AM

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While I enjoyed the episode and perspectives that we see, I really dislike Satoko's development. Her character makes less sense every episode. I could understanding being an unreasonable, raging teenager at the school as we're pretty irrational at that age, but I don't get it anymore.
Aug 6, 2021 6:33 AM

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I'm with Featherine on this one: seeing Satoko play this manipulative role, making both Teppei and Rika believe she's being abused by the other, is definitely the most interesting of the fragments Satoko has created so far. Honestly, I was expecting her to take a slightly different tact and outright ask Teppei to act out the abusive role everyone expects from him - so as to make it more convincing and make it easier to encourage everyone else into action with the Child Protection People - but this approach probably makes the most sense in getting Teppei to actually cooperate (would he really want to go back to being abusive, even if only as an act, when he's been working hard to improve himself?).

We also saw some of this manipulative nature of Satoko's in action when she interacted with Rika after talking to Featherine in the meta world, as well as perhaps a bit of arrogance from Satoko in how obvious she was with that manipulation: evidently, Satoko thinks she'll eventually wear Rika down and win and isn't even considering the possibility that Rika will figure out what's going on and directly fight back (as we know eventually happens).

Also, I did roll my eyes about yet again receiving the explanation that Satoko needs to die after Rika to move to the same Fragment as her, but had we ever been told what would happen to Satoko if she died first before this episode? It's some useful information to have either way, though of course I do have to wonder what happens to Rika in such a scenario: in other words, for Rika, what does a world without Satoko truly mean? Would she want that or be able to accept that, even after finding out that Satoko is the other looper?
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Man, that intro scene was pain. Satoko really out there smiling while her best friend is crying to her like that. Satoko do be a master manipulator and a really entertaining villain. Almost kinda feel bad for Teppei lmao which is weird, the switcheroo man.

Satoko living in a fragment without Rika if she dies first is pretty interesting, I think that would be a good punishment for her if she loses. Eua seemed pretty proactive this episode, I have a feeling she'll be more prominent in this arc. That Rena punch was great though lmao, reminded me of Rena punching the shit out of Keiichi with cookies in Kira. Looking forward to the next episode.
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Another Episode of "Satoko, The Evil Genious!".
Good ep, ngl, but it's still a recap of Gou in another perspective... It's turning out to be a little bit boring knowing where this will end. I guess every piece of new information is good, but still... At least someone is having fun, too much fun -.-

On another note: How do electrical bills work in Japan??
Satoko doesn't live in the house for a year?? Probably more? The house is kind of abandoned, it would be expected the electricity been cut (for numerous reasons, money, safety, non-usage), how can the first thing that her uncle does when he entered the house was open a light?? AND IT WORKED!!
It's that normal in Japanese houses?? Could any beggar end up in a house like that?? They just need a broken window or to force enter the door... And they get a free function house? It's weird...
r_justoAug 6, 2021 9:50 AM
For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations.
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Another episode of Rika being the most incompetent looper in the entire history of time looping stories. Did she really think that convincing Keiichi to give the doll to Mion means that she can just afk for the rest of the loop and everything would be solved? Is Rika just being a masochist and pretending that she didn't already solve all the mysteries in Hinamizawa? The fact that Rika doesn't at least find Satoko suspicious despite the fact that she supposedly has a hundred years of experience with her is so fucking baffling. The whole plot hangs on suspensions of disbelief upon suspensions of disbelief with every single main character acting out of character the entire series. Maybe Satoko would've succeeded in staying with Rika if she spent half as much effort trying different ways to keep Rika close like using her looping powers to learn Algebra 1 instead of killing herself and Rika hundreds of million times just to win a card game during the tournament or win a 0.00001% hand in a mahjong match that ultimate serves no purpose.

Easily the worst timeloop related medium I have ever seen that doesn't even acknowledge basic concepts like mental fatigue after Satoko spent a century watching her supposed "friends" get killed over and over again. Probably one of the worst written story I have ever read/watched too and I have seen some a lot of dogshit.

Oh yea I also love how the dollar store Featherine finds this whole dogwater ordeal "fun" when her actual counterpart is supposed to have seen almost every possible stories/worlds to ever exist and as a result gets bored by even the best of stories. Glad to see that I somehow have a higher standards for good writing than an all knowing god.
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Vongalaxy said:
Another episode of Rika being the most incompetent looper in the entire history of time looping stories. Did she really think that convincing Keiichi to give the doll to Mion means that she can just afk for the rest of the loop and everything would be solved? Is Rika just being a masochist and pretending that she didn't already solve all the mysteries in Hinamizawa?
Oh yeah don't forget that through all of this, she still thinks Takano is the culprit kek

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Glad to see that I somehow have a higher standards for good writing than an all knowing god.


Can I steal this for my sign?
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this is just a gag anime now
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prepare4trouble said:
Um, I might have missed it, but wasn't it just said before that Satoko couldn't follow her, without explaining in detail what that meant? So for the first time we know Rika wouldn't exist, period?
Honestly I don't even know anymore if it was explained in detail or not, but I'm somewhat well versed in this type of stories so I could have just figured it out what it means.

In short, people who watched/read the original knows that there's basically 2 Rikas.
The Rika of the fragments (which there is as many as fragments) and the "Rika" that loops (only one Rika, the one we follow). Whenever the looper Rika loops to new fragment, she sort of overwrites the memories/existence of original Rika.
So to me it made sense that if you didn't know where she looped to, or if Satoko had to loop first, they could lose track of the "real" Rika.

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Nah, I have a better question:
ssjokg said:
i do you one better.
Let me join.
If Satoko's plan is to make Rika suffer, twist the fragments she knows, have her friends kill themselves. Why is Satoko injecting people like Kimiyoshi and Akane? And she went through that route almost immediately.

Or a better question, HOW did she manage to infect someone like Akasaka without him finding out?
Truly, this excuse of a story, if it wanted to have this storyline it should have just focused on those 4 Nekodamashi arcs...

Si1verR0se said:
Imagine if it'll be "I just got bored" lmao. The laziest motivation in writing ever(it'll probably work for Featherine, but it'll be bullshit for story) lmao
Why does it feel like this is the motivation R07 had for the writing.

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Another episode of Rika being the most incompetent looper in the entire history of time looping stories.[...]
<Clap clap clap> You're the winner good sir.
The best, most comprehensible and well written comment I've read in long time in here.

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this is just a gag anime now
This comment reminds me of that one Dragon Ball Super episode/arc where they were like. "Hey we're just a gag anime", and it was one of the most disgusting things I've seen in Anime.
Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids.
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Hulio said:

Why does it feel like this is the motivation R07 had for the writing.

Well afaik
so... wouldn't be something new, lmao
I mean, this man said that "I've written story for Gou, and I was planning everything like that back when I finished writing OG Higurashi" before Gou started, but changed it to "Naoki Hayashi adapting(and changing, as we know) the script and I didn't control anything they do, and idea of Gou came to me suddenly and unexpectedly 2 years ago" after Gou ended. He's full of lies and bullshit
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Meh. I hate satoko so this episode naturally didn't click with me. I didn't expect teppei to have this much screentime in sotsu though..

I really hope this improves in the future



Aug 6, 2021 6:49 PM

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Glad to see that I somehow have a higher standards for good writing than an all knowing god.


Can I steal this for my sign?


Just do whatever you want. It's always fun reading your posts after every shitshow of an episode and seeing that there are still sane people seeing this series through to the end among the room temp IQ fanboys who would justify Mr. Dragon Knight raw dogging their wives as good character development.
Aug 6, 2021 7:12 PM

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I like how this season is showing us some details to match everything in the story... and also how those details change completely the perspective/intention of everything...

Satoko/Teppei's is indeed the best "hen" of the series...
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Aug 6, 2021 7:54 PM

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Tell me, what do you think about Rena's character getting butchered in the OG and we only finally having her proper characterization in Sotsu, directly from the content they cut about the most essential part of the backstory. That's one positive thing you could have said even without knowing it, because that's some of the best content in the VN finally getting adapted. And yet, you could only complain and was veeery silent about that segment in your posts, huh? Almost like, you want to exclusively emphasize negative aspects on this and that alone, ignoring all the rest?
Just wanted to ask.
What exactly did they do so much better in here than in Deen's version?
The contents about her past were pretty much the same. Which part was so important?
Can you explain it to me like the doomposter strawman I am?
Maybe even I may find new appreciation for this show.


Well, from my recollections, Sotsu actually adapted Rena's character arc from the VN and her most intimate issues, Deen's anime skipped those completely. Take a look on Tsumi's VN whenever you have the time, you will have a pleasant surprise on how more developed she is overall, and how Sotsu expanded that for an anime only perspective. It was a really cool addition I wasn't expecting, honestly.

As for the strawman discourse, you are sorta combating me as if i was this aforementioned strawman "fanboy" that I'm not, a sort of a polar opposite to your views in the show from what I can get from you guys' replies, and to me that's just not correct.

While I may defend this show from some criticism I see as unfounded, I do have my problems with it myself. it's not a perfect show and me defending or being positive about some of its elements shouldn't necessarily mean I'm fanboying over it, At times I could go into annoyng detail on why the execuition of the whole thing failed, and go as far as to declare my personally considered nitpicks as completely vaild criticism (the stupid amount of blood for one, it is admitedly there just to make things more fun). It's not like I want to call you names "oh haters haters!!" either, I think it's fairly reasonable that I call you guys doomposters considering what you all have to say in every single thread that may regard this show, whether you dislike the term or not.

Hell, I tried to interact sometimes when you guys seemed to have an interesting speculation about something here and there, but it usually just devolved into you turning into a glaring negative point to be bashed, that's sorta obnoxious, it just really makes it feel like no matter what the show comes up with, you people will try to see it in a bad way, and if it isn't what you expected, it's "even worse". That's doomposting by definition considering what you guys think of the original Higurashi.

And that's a shame, because some times you bring a cool point to discuss and it gets circlejerked into idiocy to be discarded, by other people basically hate watching this (as much as I sorta dislike using this term for whatever reason).

Anyway, I honestly think this sort of discussion won't get us anywhere in an overview, I think it was stupid of me to even address it in the first place, digressing or not. It just ended up being a flame bait of a sort from myself, and this is just silly.
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Danpmss said:
Sotsu actually adapted Rena's character arc from the VN and her most intimate issues, Deen's anime skipped those completely.
And which ones are these?
When ever someone mentions this I start thinking about the Ibaraki flashback scene, and there wasn't any meaningful difference.

For other not easily pinpointed parts I would need to rewatch Deen and reread the VN, which I'm not going to do at this point.

Take a look on Tsumi's VN whenever you have the time, you will have a pleasant surprise on how more developed she is overall, and how Sotsu expanded that for an anime only perspective.
Well it was the best chapter so I'll definitely eventually read it again.. But what are these good Sotsu expansions?

As for the strawman discourse, you are sorta combating me as if i was this aforementioned strawman "fanboy" that I'm not
Well you definitely don't feel like that guy, but it's peculiar we get the usage of these terms only from one side of the aisle.

Hell, I tried to interact sometimes when you guys seemed to have an interesting speculation about something here and there
Well... I guess there was a short time when we could try speculating things. But those haven't been around for a long time. There's really barely been any room for speculation.

but it usually just devolved into you turning into a glaring negative point to be bashed
Personally I don't see why bashing negative points is any worse as a comment/argument than praising the positive parts. It's not as if the negative parts/pointing them out are inherently worse because they are about the negatives.
Maybe it makes some people feel bad, but what about it.. We're supposed to make everyone feel good?

that's sorta obnoxious, it just really makes it feel like no matter what the show comes up with, you people will try to see it in a bad way
And this really goes both ways. Not pointing at you specifically, but that's how it is in general, and especially was.

and if it isn't what you expected, it's "even worse".
If only did I ever want this show to surprise me and not be what I was expecting, lol.
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I don't like Gou/Sotsu but I'm not trying to purposefully find reasons to hate on it, find it flawed, or deem it utterly boring. Just like I'm not purposefully trying to force myself to find reasons to like it. Like anyone else I came into the show not knowing what to expect other than hopefully to enjoy it. I don't intend to step on other's toes for enjoying it either. You're free to like it as well as dislike it for whatever reasons.

But if anyone wants to pull a fast one and deem any forms of criticism as mere "trolling, doomposting, haters gonna hating" truly contributes nothing either. What do you expect when you dismiss what I would consider as other's rather reasonable arguments against the show as if it were merely invalid because you feel a bias against them? It's important to hear from both sides, if you don't want to hear the hate just join a safe-space like twitter/reddit where you can block/ignore/downvote anyone who thinks otherwise.

It has been rather undeniable however that the side in favor of the show has been liking it for increasingly shallow reasons. You're ALLOWED to like a show for shallow reasons, but you won't convince anyone it has any deeper meaning to it by doing so. Don't hate the players (critics) hate the game (show and it's writers) for messing with everyone.

R07 likes to compare his writing to a theme ride so let's put the experience of this show into perspective:

- It feels like a dinosaur exhibition where the attendant spends the entire time telling you dinosaurs aren't real, they never existed, new evidence proves this, and you're an idiot for believing otherwise. Only for the end they reveal that dinosaurs actually existed but to figure that out you have to read notes from the last exhibition and connect the dots yourself.

- It feels like a roller-coaster that starts off really fast heading towards a brick wall you didn't see, slows down just before collision, but then remains at a standstill so long you fall asleep.

- It feels like a cheaply made haunted house where the gimmick is people blindside you with a sucker-punch from time to time. DO YOU RIKE??? NO??? PREASE UNDERSTAND.

At every angle this show just doesn't feel enjoyable or rewarding to watch, and quite frankly if not for the leaks, there would've been another 4 weeks of Tatari just fucking with everyone who was still holding out that this show was deep. It's just... Satoko is so evil Rena can't stop her! Mion can't, Teppei can't, Keiichi can't, Rika can't, not even her literal self can stop how evil and stupid she has become! Oh wow! So lame. 2 seasons of nothing meaningful.
Aug 7, 2021 2:41 AM

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oh no! Satoko the great schemer!!!
5/5.


Aug 7, 2021 6:07 AM

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I never thought that I would actually be happy and feel bad for Teppei. He's a changed man in Sotsu and he has become a loving uncle for Satoko. In the originals, I actually enjoyed Rena killing both him and Rina because they were both detestable characters and I didn't mind if the both of them died in Matsuribayashi-hen. Gou and Sotsu did a fantastic job in redeeming Teppei and want him to be a good happy man if there will be a happy ending.
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Ohh so that's what really happened in that scene from the Question Arc.
Perspective, that's why i liked Higurashi.

Somebody please give Satoko an Oscar.
Aug 7, 2021 1:50 PM

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I can only shake my head in disbelief about Satoko.

i don't know if i can forgive all this at the end...

just fuck you Satoko...

haha but Eua is like


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Am I the only one realising how genius the plot of this is? The way it connects with Gou and explains what happened is simply a masterpiece! I can already predict what will happen in next episodes basing on Gou, but I'm still curious how it will develop
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My hatred of Satoko just keeps growing for every episode


Can't say I blame you
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Is Satoko being a raging psychopathic cunt supposed to be, like, interesting? The plot has been stuck there for like 20 episodes and there's still nothing new happening.

^This. Honestly getting sick of this shit. Her actions are so blatantly hypocritical and just fucking stupid. Character is so terribly written, just an absolute cunt for no logical reason. Legit contrived to be evil for evils sake, it’s so fucking forced. Well written villains are typically characters you can almost relate to and sympathize with. How could anyone sympathize with someone who constantly ruins/tortures/literally kills their “friend” to somehow “save” them? Shit feels like it was written by a 12 year old lmao
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Oh look, Satoko being an absolute psychopath for the 173rd time. Nice.

What is the reminder for the rule for? Anyone who had a bad memory, or what? I've been questioning this since Gou where she kept snapping fingers like nothing and somehow they want to make it relevant again here. We get it, Satoko needs to die first, hence why she stupidly went to Mion to make sure Rika's dead the last time. This anime is treating the audience like toddlers, dear God. And somehow, maybe it was intended for them as some are forgetting the rule already.

Also, another look at Rika being an absolute dumbass. A quick reminder that she still believes Takano is involved and yet had done nothing about her. At best, she patted Tomitake's head as if that meant something. Brilliant writing 10/10. If at least she knows that Takano is no more a problem, then I could see why Rika is acting like how she is, but no. We had to wait until Nekofuckingdamashi.

Also, also, really? Teppei doesn't know how the village treats the Hojo all this time? Nothing ever happened while his fucking wife was still alive and Satoshi is still around? Is he so self-absorbed to the point he didn't realize?

I hope we're skipping the CWS part. We don't need another reason to be bored to death.
Aug 10, 2021 1:38 AM

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This was hard for me to watch that i didn't finish the ep....
Satoko's way of manipulation is really something, she's really diff from the satoko rika knew also how she's been a great actress in the village (in this ep ofc)
and that reminded me of something i should not remember in my life lol
"Everyone fails sometimes
But dreams won't fade, dreams won't fade
Let's chase them as many times as it takes and don't lose
Because today after all is today and once you wake up, it'll be a new morning"

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I would say the role of a boss villain is too big for Satoko, while she is successfully more evil than Satan. It's a bit shallow how she does things, it can't be expected from the audience to understand the inner workings of a real psychopath and I think also the author doesn't know how to make a more interesting villain out of Satoko. The only thing that Satoko is interested in is torturing Rika and the manipulation of others, I bet that is more fun for her already than having a Rika that loves Hinamizawa by her side.

Sorry about the following question, maybe I don't probably remember previous events.
But weren't there already a few times where Satoko killed herself before Rika died?

Currently watching this show is frustrating,
I hope she won't run to Keichi next, telling him that she is abused by her uncle XD That would be really lame to see that happen another time.
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Fabienne said:

Sorry about the following question, maybe I don't probably remember previous events.
But weren't there already a few times where Satoko killed herself before Rika died?

Pretty sure we are to assume Satoko's "training arc" of committing suicide at any point was done long before she began the actual "game" she's playing. It's a bit chronologically confusing because it's past, then present, then past again, but that seems to be the order. Her "training" didn't seem to end until late Nekodamashi where she screwed up on the Mahjong game. Everything else was planned.
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