Attack on Titan
| wait it for yourself, episode 7 or 8 is just around the corner and people here cannot answer you without spoiling what happened to the manga anyway |
crybabynes said: Nim0174 said: keep in mind he only read til chapter 96 which means he has no idea whats going on because of the way isayama tells the story the events start clearing up in chapter 100-110 which then reveals the bigger plot more clearly and introduces new mysteries in a different way So that is, I get it now. But don't people know that there must be some build up in any story? How could they judge something when it's not over yet? Like chapter 96 wasn't the end of the manga? I really don't get how rashly they judge. I said earlier, that I also got to see manga readers a while ago getting hyped for the chapters from 100 and so on. I have seen many titles on YouTube saying "chapter 114 is CRAZY" "Shingeki no Kyojin chapter 115!!!" With a lot of exciting words for the rest of the last chapters, so I'm sure that the manga is still so good or even much better. It got me to delete my YouTube account so I don't get spoiled lol. Wish season 4 would come sooner after this arc. Well its just preferences I personally liked the build up helped me look at a certain character in a different light which really adds to the later conflict. Though yeah once you start getting to CH 98 things start to really go down. Even with the current episode with Erwin I think chapter 100 or even this most recent chapter are on its level if not better but that is my own personal opinion. |
| As the others have said, the manga takes a while to build up after the basement reveal because what we find out from the basement opens a lot of room for development for the story and it needed time to build its foundations for the upcoming story. It's like the Uprising arc but on a larger scale where you're thrown off a bit by the shift in tone and different story direction, it's a puzzle where you don't see where it's going to go, but when the pieces come together they come together really well. There are some people who claim that Isayama is making asspulls and has no idea where the story is going and that is far from true. To this point the manga is still making references to small details from 20+ chapters ago, which is about 2years in terms of publication. |
| I honestly liked the basement reveal more than the first half of the arc when I first read it. |
keragamming said: CondemneDio said: If it made my lose my interest, it made me lose my interest. No way around it. I decided to power-read through the remaining chapters once the manga is completed. By that time, maybe I'll change my mind, maybe I won't. That and uprising arc is pretty similar at the beginning but you were able to continue uprising arc? |
CondemneDio said: keragamming said: That and uprising arc is pretty similar at the beginning but you were able to continue uprising arc? i didn't like that either initially just read chapter 96-100, if ur interest doesnt even remotely get picked by then - which i guaruantee it will, or well maybe it won't, but for the majority it does - then by all means keep criticising it all u want if it makes u happy |
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Nim0174 said: i didn't like that either initially just read chapter 96-100, if ur interest doesnt even remotely get picked by then - which i guaruantee it will, or well maybe it won't, but for the majority it does - then by all means keep criticising it all u want if it makes u happy I'll read it once the story is concluded. SnK is pretty low on my priority list at the moment. |
| The fact that people have really been waiting years for something as stupid as a "basement reveal" is baffling to me. |
Weebover9000 said: Blarey said: The fact that people have really been waiting years for something as stupid as a "basement reveal" is baffling to me. Its stupid how? Its a well crafted plot device thats been foreshadowed for a long time that changes the way the story is told in a really interesting manner imo when it got revealed in the manga. With this logic of yours, I can say any reveal you've been waiting for a long time for is stupid, but I wont. Not trying to be rude I just want an actual explanation rather than "its stupid" It's bad writing and a plot device used to drag the story |
Blarey said: Weebover9000 said: Its stupid how? Its a well crafted plot device thats been foreshadowed for a long time that changes the way the story is told in a really interesting manner imo when it got revealed in the manga. With this logic of yours, I can say any reveal you've been waiting for a long time for is stupid, but I wont. Not trying to be rude I just want an actual explanation rather than "its stupid" It's bad writing and a plot device used to drag the story Dude not because you don't like snk, doesn't mean you should be unfairly criticizing it, you have one piece in your favorite list, which means you have no problem with plot device and stories dragging on, one piece has been dragging on for decades now! @CondemneDio Look you have a brother, someone else who stops reading snk at chapter 96, its sad the amount of people that drop or put the series on hold on that number. @Weebover9000 He is a one piece fan, he has no problem with plot device or stories dragging on as long as he loves that series, but if he doesn't like it then he will be a hypocrite and criticize another series for revealing its truth way earlier than one piece at this point the author may die before revealing the truth for one piece. |
| The basement reveal is a pleb filter |
| @keragamming @titanslayer18 Let's not compare the scale of One Piece to the basement of SnK, Eren knows where the basement is and it's not even that far away. |
keragamming said: @CondemneDio Look you have a brother, someone else who stops reading snk at chapter 96, its sad the amount of people that drop or put the series on hold on that number. lol k Is that all you wanted to say? |
| It's bad writing and a plot device used to drag the story[/quote] Funseco said: The basement reveal is a pleb filter I can only agree, it weeds out the peasants. Blarey said: Weebover9000 said: Its stupid how? Its a well crafted plot device thats been foreshadowed for a long time that changes the way the story is told in a really interesting manner imo when it got revealed in the manga. With this logic of yours, I can say any reveal you've been waiting for a long time for is stupid, but I wont. Not trying to be rude I just want an actual explanation rather than "its stupid" It's bad writing and a plot device used to drag the story You do not get to say that. You have One Piece in your favourites. The most ridiculously slow paced Story in the History of Humanity. People can travel around the World twice in the time frame of One Arc Every Episode contains 10 Minutes of Previous Episode Recaps or Flashbacks Conversations are dragged out unnecessarily long 3 minute actual Content. Genius. Blarey said: @keragamming @titanslayer18 Let's not compare the scale of One Piece to the basement of SnK, Eren knows where the basement is and it's not even that far away. The Fact the Location of the One Piece is unknown is used as Plot Device to drag the Story out unnecessarily long. Its bad writing. |
Nim0174May 26, 2019 8:37 AM
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shadowblaster5 said: Nim0174 said: The Fact the Location of the One Piece is unknown is used as Plot Device to drag the Story out unnecessarily long. Its bad writing. It's literally the point of One Piece. And what you're referring to is the anime, which I agree is unnecessarily long, but it's not "bad writing" on the author's part. I can see that you haven't read or watched any of One Piece before judging it. Genius. I watched 840+ Episodes right up to Big Moms Party just because its not in my list does not mean i haven't watched it Genius. on top of that it was sarcasm countering the bullshit that imbecile up there spouted. Genius. |
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| The reveal kills the series. Everything after that point is manga/anime suicide. I'm still reading it just to finish the series, but if it get an anime version in the future, I'll probably not watch it. BTW, after the reveal, we get a really, reallyyyyyyyyyyy sloooooooooow start for the next arc. |
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| Can confirm. I rewatched the series after the reveal and there were a lot of foreshadowings. I was like, "why could I not figure it out". I did not think much of this series but I figured it is one of the best series to get most out of a rewatch. For example, you can notice Erwin is in the first episode of season 1. Wonder who else is in the first episode... But in addition to tonal shift, the start of the next arc is a bit slow-paced as others said. There were 5 chapters like this and it is a huge deal for monthly serialized manga. That can be why people dropped this. |
OonokamiMay 26, 2019 11:56 AM
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| Basically if you love action packed manichean Shonen but don't like Seinen genre with heavy stuff, morally gray characters, (kinda like GoT books actually) then you might won't like what's coming, otherwise you're in for one of the best written arc in the serie... as well as (all) manga in general imo. |
Batora07May 27, 2019 2:16 AM
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| To be honest it depends on your taste? Some people may like it and some may not and the revelation of everything that happened in the basement just made everything clear, it was not something great that people created so hype about but after the basement arc I ended up liking the manga even more because everything made much more sense. I instantly became Isayama's fan. But yes there are people who are disappointed with it (ofcourse they have their own reason) so at the end of the day it *depends* you just need to wait maybe, hope you like the basement arc :) . |
sevshiroMay 27, 2019 7:01 AM
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| As I like to say, the only people who dislikes the basement twist either don't get it (nor really try thinking about it too much, much less rereading to see how everything was leading up to it majestically), or just wanted the whole thing to be about killing titans and surviving, instead of evolving into something far deeper, clever and legitimately thought-provoking. And it was all foreshadowed from the start and fits the whole setting perfectly with all of the explanations. Some may even argue "oh, the pacing is too slow and I don't like the new multiple narrative perspectives", but that's quite minor overall and beyond necessary to develop the later part of the next arc (and anyway, it's for like 6 chapters after the basement reveal and after that, once reaching the actual meat of the plot, it's purely made of amazing twists and turns that go topping each other every month since the latest arc began). Also: tzarye14 said: A lot of people didn't like the basement because it was hard to swallow even tho everything was basically foreshadows in the manga (the anime is made even bigger foreshadow and fix some mistakes). There's also just to much for you to understand in one read. While the anime is definitely gonna simplify some aspects I suggest rewatching the episodes so you catch everything. It might also be troublesome to not have the next season coming out right after this one cause the explanations would help a lot. There weren't any mistakes in the manga. Isayama just felt like it wasn't as fluid and well paced as he hoped it to be, leading him to be disappointing at his own work until the end of that arc. And if anything, the anime adaptation proved his point wrong, since by making the pacing faster, the storytelling more shuffled like the early storytelling of the manga instead of the chronologically straight-to-the-point we had and all of the cuts (including proper character development for some of the secondary cast and overall some hints and presentation of foreshadowing elements) made the adaptation not only a bit convoluted, but also less substantial. If you check the older threads and discussions on reddit by manga readers, you will see some reaching the same end, and concluding the manga version to be the better version despite the extra nods here and there by the anime. |
DanpmssMay 27, 2019 6:49 AM
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Modernoir said: Honestly now that the manga has let the reveal sit for a good few years and Isayama's proven he's an actual competent writer, I can safely say the basement reveal is one of the best reveals I've seen in a manga. The way the story changes into something complex but genuinely well-written and unique is what makes me think AoT will be remembered as a classic. The basement reveal and stuff like the absolutely fantastic 100th chapter are what elevates the series from being simply "great" to being god-tier. Oh yeah, we mostly don't talk much about chapter 100 since it's heavy spoiler territory, but it's where the final act of the story begins with a BANG that never weared off thus far and just keep escalating from then on. |
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narun said: Will there be fighting scenes after the reveal or it will be like s3 part 1 just storytelling? |
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| @Modernoir |
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Mattinator95 said: SSTHZero said: The reveal kills the series. Everything after that point is manga/anime suicide. I'm still reading it just to finish the series, but if it get an anime version in the future, I'll probably not watch it. BTW, after the reveal, we get a really, reallyyyyyyyyyyy sloooooooooow start for the next arc. The reveal kills it ? Even though it was hinted and forshadowed on what it would be. What did people expect it to be there's only one thing it could have been Yes, it was hinted, but it was with the reveal we really understood everything. And it killed the series. I didn't know what I expected, but that "truth" is horrible and everything that happened after it was bad in my useless opinion. Everything connects, everything makes sense, but that doesn't make it good. |
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SSTHZero said: Mattinator95 said: The reveal kills it ? Even though it was hinted and forshadowed on what it would be. What did people expect it to be there's only one thing it could have been Yes, it was hinted, but it was with the reveal we really understood everything. And it killed the series. I didn't know what I expected, but that "truth" is horrible and everything that happened after it was bad in my useless opinion. Everything connects, everything makes sense, but that doesn't make it good. Preach it brother. Fans can easily forget the perspective of someone without prior bias / less bias of other people. |
SSTHZero said: Mattinator95 said: The reveal kills it ? Even though it was hinted and forshadowed on what it would be. What did people expect it to be there's only one thing it could have been Yes, it was hinted, but it was with the reveal we really understood everything. And it killed the series. I didn't know what I expected, but that "truth" is horrible and everything that happened after it was bad in my useless opinion. Everything connects, everything makes sense, but that doesn't make it good. Well, even if you dislike the outcome (not at all the case of most readers, but nobody can judge you on that, since it comes into a very subjective territory of whether you like or not the direction it went on), you can't really deny the quality of the writing, execution and consistency that lead to where it was headed to. Saying it is straight bad is kinda generalizing its qualities towards your personal expectations of what you wanted the series to become imo (then again, I'm nearly making assumptions for the lack of specific information in your point of view, so feel free to detail if you may). It's kinda similar to the reaction people had with Umineko way back in the day, except Shingeki got its twist better accepted from the get-go, while Umineko took quite some years of mostly hate before becoming a masterpiece in the eyes of the majority of the visual novel community, so yeah, I can see where the argument comes from (in that case, theorizing was also a big part of the experience to a VAST extent, so much that many fans I know consider Shingeki to be a manga second coming of a sort to have fun with in some regards, especially the absolutely drastic changes of perspective it brought to the table at some points). |
DanpmssMay 27, 2019 6:26 PM
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| "WWII-like" images tend to be not appreciated by "anime-internet people" ("unoriginal" they said if I remember well). It's pretty funny since this kind of parallels (or old facist regimes used as models) is often well regarded in more "respectable" fictions. But it was all okay, some of it was already evident/logical, the rest fitted well. edited Some people mentioned the other reason: the "evolution" of the story. Just like people were lost at the transition anime 1st series / manga because it lacked the over-excitement over-thrilling tone of the adaptation, just like other "fans" disappeared when it shifted to power intrigues / "politics" (with a minor p), etc. Also, thanks @CondemneDio I guess (even though I gave away nothing that happened) |
Rei_IIIMay 28, 2019 10:03 PM
Rei366 said: ... You might want to put some parts of your post inside spoiler tags. The title clearly says no spoilers. |
| I honestly can't wait for the discussion threads for the next three episodes. Sure gonna be a pollfest. And I will finally be able to discuss, since I read the manga too late to even be able to make assumptions from that point onwards. I know what happens, but when it happens in the anime it's even better... maybe we will no longer see that 9.04 score this season. |
| "Manga readers are annoying, all they do is complain or spoil the anime we discuss in an anime forum. They should really do their whining at manga forums." Stolen from Janethan23. Add in visual novel readers too |
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