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Here's the thing: while you're calling it shit, their safety measures didn't actually fail. Safety measures are supposed to protect people and obviously their safety measures didn'tIf the train showed up without blowing its horn, or if the horn was constantly blowing (because the dead conductor's arm should have been heavy enough to keep the chain pulled down permanently), the guards would have been suspicious and ordered the bridge to stay up. Instead the writer/director came up with this really weird and convoluted way for a kabane to accidentally blow the horn in such a natural way (three or four times in a row, no less) that guards who have been receiving trains for years didn't suspect a thing. That's not a problem with their safety measures, that's a problem with the directing. You believe the safety measures could be better. Fine, I agree with that sentiment. I don't agree that makes it a contradiction with the setting though, because it hasn't actually demonstrated itself to easily fail under reasonably imaginable situations. And I don't believe a kabane accidentally blowing the horn like that and warehouse-sized armored train cars flipping over 100 feet tall walls are reasonable in the slightest. The safety measures didn't even get a chance to grow into a plot hole, it was snuffed in the crib by bad directing. So yes they failed and the plot convenient plot hole was caused by the director's bad directing Comic_Sans said: You didn't. Your replies never got more informative than "you proved me right" and "you didn't make an argument" (except for when we were trading barbs). At no point did you ever say anything remotely close to "you're arguing something different than what I'm saying".I did though |
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]Well, going by that logic their safety measures would never be anything other than shit, even if it had every suggestion made here in the forums (quarantine zone on separate island, two layers of gates and bridges, full stop before lowering bridge, preliminary visual inspection outside, etc.), because the director would have just come up with some other convoluted reason to cause it to fail. If you insistWe'd just be arguing semantics from here on out, so let's just agree that the director screwed up this scene pretty badly? Maybe you just thought you did or maybe it was in a post that was deleted before I saw it. Either way, now I know. Okay |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Jonny_Mhl said: Well it looks like I'm not alone in this one, why the fuck they did stop the train during the day and not at night is just beyond me. Because first train arrived unexpected, second was expected and they thought train gives them signals to open the gate when it was just dead machinist eaten by kabane's arm accindently whistling. It was too late too pull up bridge when they noticed. Bone_Bender said: Not sure how Ikumo stopped the virus from turning him into a kabaneri. Hopefully its explained. He blocked his carotid artery to prevent "virus" from taking over his brain and turning him into animalistic beast.  |
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| 4/5. I was really disappointed when I started to read Shingeki no Kyojin before the anime was announced and in the start of the manga I was presented with a deus ex machina situation that changed the entire feeling of the show. I was expecting to read something about humanity struggling to survive, being the underdogs and fighting like no tomorrow, not some crap about teenagers being giants and fighting each other. I won't lie: at the end of this episode the first thought I had was "OH NO THIS GUY GONNA BE HALF-KABANERI AND THEN WE WILL DISCOVER OTHERS ARE LIKE HIM TOO AND IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER SHINGEKI SCENARIO WITHOUT PEOPLE TURNING INTO TITANS, BUT KABANERIS". Please, don't be like that. I really enjoyed the first episode, don't ruin it. |
rhap said: I won't lie: at the end of this episode the first thought I had was "OH NO THIS GUY GONNA BE HALF-KABANERI AND THEN WE WILL DISCOVER OTHERS ARE LIKE HIM TOO AND IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER SHINGEKI SCENARIO WITHOUT PEOPLE TURNING INTO TITANS, BUT KABANERIS". Please, don't be like that. I really enjoyed the first episode, don't ruin it. With him getting white hair and all that, I'm afraid you might be spot on. |
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| This should be an SnK spin-off or something, alternate universe or something. Seriously. I like the idea, the concept, and setting so much (Steampunk is a win, trains, bushi, historical touch...). The animation is stunning. The train is really badass looking. And steampunk IS A WIN. OST is godly. But, I can't shake off this... feeling that this is too much like SnK, like, the whole train break the wall and the kabane coming in... Also, am I the only one who thinks Ikoma=Eren+Armin? He have Eren's determination and Armin's intellect. And there are things that bothered me. - How do they sure the train won't come bring Kabane with it (like in this episode)? They just, lower the gate without making sure? Like, there should be a tower with telescope or something for inspecting the coming train and making sure it's kabane free and safe to open the gate and let the train in? (I bothered by this when they just let the train enter at the day, and then it is proved the next night at the second half that the train bring kabanes with it) - I wonder if people don't know that the kabane virus react and spread fast like it did to Ikoma? If they know, there's no need to do check up on injuries because by then, the infected will already has purple bruises all over their body? Or is it different from person to person? This might be explained later though, so it's okay. - I don't understand how the method Ikoma used can stop the virus from spreading completely. Or more like, UNDO it. Like, it's just disappear. I don't know. It might be explained later though. - Mumei might or might not has a brother complex. - I have a feeling that Mumei might be a kabane herself. Or at least not human. Her eyes shining when she behead the kabane. - And lastly, the thing that bothered me THE MOST is, how the hell Mumei use her geta as weapon, to behead a kabane, without the string snapped or the geta being flown as she swing her leg? It's so stupid. You can's swing a sandal around like that without it being flown somewhere or something. Things aside, I'm still watching this while waiting for SnK 2. Despite everything, I do enjoyed it, and really like the idea and the other aspect of the show (like the OST, animation, etc). I'll just consider KnK as SnK spin-off or something. |
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| If you look at the genres of the anime, it is tagged as a horror anime. Do you think it's a horror anime? SnK is not tagged with horror, and these two anime are very similar. |
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| I can't believe how bad their security is! Literally the first thing I tought was what if an empty train rams the wall. |
| Where should I start? The animation is good (of course when you know which studio is behind it), the universe is interesting and characters seem pretty interresting! I thought (because of the pv) that it was gonna be exactly like AOT well it sure is inspired by it but it's not the same thing... Maybe it will be even better? Since it's only the first episode I can't say much about it but for now it's one of my favourites of this season! |
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| Can someone explain me why the anime is coming out before the manga? Please? |
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KokuoBuzz said: Rain23 said: because it's an anime original.Can someone explain me why the anime is coming out before the manga? Please? Oh ok, thanks! Darklight0303 said: Rain23 said: Can someone explain me why the anime is coming out before the manga? Please? Every heard of a notion called ANIME ORIGINAL? I had never seen something like this happening, just that :| Anyway, thanks to you too |
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Jonny_Mhl said: Oh boy here we got again... I hope this don't turn out into a total SnK with dozens of plotholes and boring characters. edit: Well it looks like I'm not alone in this one, why the fuck they did stop the train during the day and not at night is just beyond me. I think the reason might be because they noticed that it was on the exact time, so it seemed like the train looked safe. In case it came late or sooner they would have debuts and stop it beforehand ,otherwise there is no fear to just handle it normally. |
Jonny_Mhl said: Oh boy here we got again... I hope this don't turn out into a total SnK with dozens of plotholes and boring characters. edit: Well it looks like I'm not alone in this one, why the fuck they did stop the train during the day and not at night is just beyond me. So much this! I watched first episode couple of hours ago and it is still bothering the hell out of me! I am glad that i am not the only one. I mean ffs, they were so paranoid when first train arrived that they even killed one passenger for no reason. But hey, it is train during the night and we see only their light, let us open the gate! This quite kills my interest for this anime. Luckily that beheading scene was so good so i wont drop it for now. Hopefully there arent going to be some huge plot holes like this one. |
DeadhouseApr 11, 2016 2:18 PM
| Doesn't the samurai princess girl resembles Lynn Minmay |
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| Not a good start but still engaging enough. Annoyed by Ikoma's voice....too much angst. Also when did he improved penetration power after he just escaped from jail??? |
rinneganfire4u said: Not a good start but still engaging enough. Annoyed by Ikoma's voice....too much angst. Also when did he improved penetration power after he just escaped from jail??? He knew exactly what he needed to do. Adding more explosives to the gun wouldn't take that long |
MysteriousBanana said: The didn't just lower it because it was on time, you hear the train blow its horn several times before it arrives, which is likely supposed to be a sign from the train that everything's okay on their end. There's a reason why they specifically showed us the scene from the cab to explain why the horn was blowing normally despite the train being overrun. Even if the train was on time, they still have to check if there are zombies clinging to it before letting it in the city no? It's totally impossible that they would just let a train in just because it was on schedule. Their SOP definitely goes like this: 1. Train stops at the bridge(because train operator knows that the drawbridge isn't down yet) and signals that it's all clear inside 2. Guard inspects the train if there are any zombies clinging before letting it in. There is absolutely no reason for them to lower the drawbridge because they know that if the train operator is human, they would stop the train before falling to death anyway. I can't believe so many people defending the train fuck up. Are you telling me if you live in a zombie infested world, you would let in a train full of zombies clinging on it just because they are on schedule. |
PiggyBanconApr 11, 2016 7:27 PM
| Fuck this this show, this made me really angry. Tetsurou Araki just making a copy paste anime of his most successful creation for money, fuck you dude. There is nothing new this brought to the table I hated it, though I will continue watching just to express my hate. I predicted every single fucking thing in this first episode and I can probably predict the rest of the show, fuck it, I need to stop, just making me more angry. |
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bastek66 said: Jonny_Mhl said: Well it looks like I'm not alone in this one, why the fuck they did stop the train during the day and not at night is just beyond me. Because first train arrived unexpected, second was expected and they thought train gives them signals to open the gate when it was just dead machinist eaten by kabane's arm accindently whistling. It was too late too pull up bridge when they noticed. Bone_Bender said: Not sure how Ikumo stopped the virus from turning him into a kabaneri. Hopefully its explained. He blocked his carotid artery to prevent "virus" from taking over his brain and turning him into animalistic beast. Huh...So I guess the virus quickly dies when it cant find the brain quick enough to infect. |
bastek66 said: Jonny_Mhl said: Well it looks like I'm not alone in this one, why the fuck they did stop the train during the day and not at night is just beyond me. Because first train arrived unexpected, second was expected and they thought train gives them signals to open the gate when it was just dead machinist eaten by kabane's arm accindently whistling. It was too late too pull up bridge when they noticed. yeah i see it that way too .. difference between the both situation in expecting the traint to come. Even in reality when something have time of arrive, u dnt give a sh_t when it come when it should.. but u start to care if it come sooner or later, right? so in that situation as there are all around zombies, u get curious what reason coused the changed arrival .... But from second angle, I am little dissapointed by defence of the train ... why is the train not devided into more parts so the engine-driver can not be transformed? the logic of beying transformed whole train w/o even slowing down is weird, when I think about it why would zombies come in expected time of arrival? |
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DrBlock42 said: New theory: Msybe the "virus" is something organic that needs O2 to survive: 2. He stopped the blood-circulation in the arm to slow the spread of the infection down. Still seems to me that his infection is rapidly bigged than others... u can see bitten 2 ppl which will suicide themselves and no evidence of that fast spread. They got bitten and have wound, but at moment no spreading at all. He got bitten and all of sudden the infection is all over his body in few seconds .... |
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| I was skeptical before. Now I'm not, looking forward to more There were some issues though, minor ones that can be overlooked such as the bridge being lowered BEFORE the train slows down. Regardless of whether the train is on time the bridge should be raised because of well... things like this. |
| Last half was sweet. Digging the male lead. Pretty bad ass when he slit his arm to attract the monsters. Then he got infected and started tying himself up and stuff trying to control it, super badass. 7/10 so far for me. |
| Wow, it's been a long time since I watched original anime this thrilling. This is so AoT, but I really hope this would be even better than it. the artwork is like anime from early 2000s. |
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DrBlock42 said: ewzen said: Still seems to me that his infection is rapidly bigged than others... u can see bitten 2 ppl which will suicide themselves and no evidence of that fast spread. They got bitten and have wound, but at moment no spreading at all. He got bitten and all of sudden the infection is all over his body in few seconds .... Maybe his lungs are stronger... It's harder than I thought to make sense of this messy plot-hole. I like the story of the episode, but on the other hand there are so many plot holes, which ruin whole experience from this anime ... Seems to me like it's not wrote very well.... I must admin, I rly expected more from it ..... Dunno if I am the only one... |
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MysteriousBanana said: The didn't just lower it because it was on time, you hear the train blow its horn several times before it arrives, which is likely supposed to be a sign from the train that everything's okay on their end. There's a reason why they specifically showed us the scene from the cab to explain why the horn was blowing normally despite the train being overrun. The guard lowered the bridge even before the zombie sounded the horn(they lower the bridge because the binocular guy saw the train coming but because it was night he didn't see the zombies clinging). Also they are a group of paranoid people that would not even hesitate to kill their savior like in the beginning so having a thoroughly check on the train before it enters should fit their mindset. It's weird that they would trust the train guards have already cleared the zombies off the train especially when the train have blindspots the people from inside cannot check. Here's a reason: to reduce the amount of time the drawbridge is down and the train is idling outside of the walls. Look at the size of those trains, can you imagine how long it takes them to stop and how long it takes them to get started again? Also think about how much longer a bridge has to stay down while it waits for the train to get started and how long it would take to get over the bridge - during which the bridge cannot be raised. Managing how long the bridge stays down and the gates stay open is every bit as important a security consideration. The first train clearly stopped completely at the drawbridge. The train goes through a tunnel so they cannot see if the bridge is lowered or not so that's not the reason why they stopped. They stopped because that is their SOP. The train must stop at the drawbridge because they will fall to their death if they didn't. |
PiggyBanconApr 12, 2016 8:00 AM
| I'm not into zombies and all that jazz but I'll give it a try. It was nice to see Feudal Japan mixed with something mainstream. The animation is beautiful 10/10 wish gyakuten saiban had this quality |
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| Well that last part was a bit of a train wreck wasn't it (all puns intended) xD Is there no protocol for this???? Check that the train is not covered in glowy monsters with super strength then let it through. What is the point of that wall. Jesus. MC is the only rational person. But that was exciting isn't it I am going to keep watching. Let me just point out that the anime was good enough that a lot of people are complaining because it means that the director managed to make people emotionally invested enough to be insulted by sudden weaknesses in the plot near the end. Top marks for opening episode. :pachi pachi pachi: |
| I guess that logic and rational thinking are really banned this season, arent they? Ok, so MC miraculously cured himself from aggressive virus by strangling himself. As a medical student, no as a normally thinking human I just cannot fucking overlook that. How the heck do you kill virus and heal all rotten tissue by hanging urself for a few seconds. (even changing his fucking haircolor, jesus) Not to mention that some retards, I mean MAL users, thought that it was even badass and awesome. Like how deep in your ass must ur head be to consider this awesome? Another bullshit, I mean plot hole...ehm, I'm skipping on that train getting into fort because it has been generally accepted as bullshit writing... So this entire episode was exposition on the world and showing that their steam guns aren't powerful enough to kill Kabaneras who have hardened body and can punch through steel. Yet, the next thing we see is a petit 40kg girl decapitating Kabenera with a spinning kick. Like WTF? That blade wasnt thick enough to slash through his neck and I seriously doubt she can produce enough momentum to even cut through his hardened body... I'm not sure if someone watched ending but she is shown there how she kills Kabanera with a javelin. Like seriously???? U had the entire first episode to fucking show that steam guns arent enough to pierce through their heart and in ending the 40kg girl can kill Kabanera with a wooden fucking javelin. Half of the episode is awkward philosophical blabbering. BTW guys ffs stop comparing this to Attack on Titan. Like in almost every post apocalyptical setting you see people living behind walls. And no, not every other post apocalyptical show is a copy of AOT!!! |
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Xenocrisi said: shanimebib said:   If you can rationalize the two pictures above you will realize plot wise how bad the first episode was. I will not say more. I don't see anything wrong with the two pictures above. The first arrival was unscheduled, which is why they were confused and had their guard up. The bridge is always set up raised just like castle gates are always closed but then lowered afterwards. The second at night was scheduled to arrive so they were preparing for their arrival which is why they were in the PROCESS of lowering the bridge as it approaches, didn't leave it down. It was also in sight, the guy in the watchtower using the binoculars had vision of the train. Nice try. No flaw in that part but feel free to stay salty. |
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| Anywho, amazing first episode. Already knew this would one of the top of the season. Expectations and hype has been fulfilled. |
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| Goddamn fucking hell, THIS WAS ONE HELL OF AN EPISODE. This is an interesting idea, although a bit overused. This anime looks like someone put Snowpiercer and Shingeki no Kyojij together lol. Well from the beginning :p They've already established some characters, but where will they go with them? Animation-wise I was kinda shocked in the beginning, I don't even know why. Well the ED sounds nice and looks nice. It reminded me of Shingeky no Kyojin, I mean their gear did. And our MC is an inventer, one who doesn't mind speaking up! Yay! I so want to see more of this anime, perhaps my most anticipated anime of the season, who knows. I think this'll be one if not the only show this season to start off with an 8/10 for me. |
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| Ah, I assume this is the show that the hipsters will love to nit pick about this season. And pretend to be all cool and shit hating the show "The uneducated fans" like. Good. Now I know that there's another episode discussion I'll be staying out of. Anyways, that godly Sawano music is orgasmic. Can't wait to hear the Sawano/Aimer ED. |
slovak125 said: So this entire episode was exposition on the world and showing that their steam guns aren't powerful enough to kill Kabaneras who have hardened body and can punch through steel. Yet, the next thing we see is a petit 40kg girl decapitating Kabenera with a spinning kick. Like WTF? That blade wasnt thick enough to slash through his neck and I seriously doubt she can produce enough momentum to even cut through his hardened body... I'm not sure if someone watched ending but she is shown there how she kills Kabanera with a javelin. Like seriously???? U had the entire first episode to fucking show that steam guns arent enough to pierce through their heart and in ending the 40kg girl can kill Kabanera with a wooden fucking javelin. Letting the train in was stupid and doesn't make sense. The girl killing the Kabanera is explainable because she's a demi Kabanera. You can see her body have the Kabanera veins in the opening. The people and MC are stupid though because they already have a weapon that can pierce through the Kabaneras. It's the suicide bag because for some reason it can pierce through the heart of a Kabanera. They could just turn that thing into a weapon. |
| I'll just be one of those Kabane zombie thingies if I lived in this universe. Sounds like a much more stress free way of living. Yeap. Plus I'll be brain dead and probably unaware of my state of existence. |
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