Lesser of Two Evils: Studio Pierrot or Toei Animation?

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I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

bigivelfhqFeb 5, 2015 7:09 AM

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bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

But you seem to forget that their production value is pretty low compared to Pierrot.

Feb 5, 2015 7:39 AM

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pierrot is much better. there isn't any competition between the two.

pierrot>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>toei

Feb 5, 2015 7:40 AM

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bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

Agreed especially with the filler part. One thing they're great at is adding filler you can't even figure out is filler at the best times.

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bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

Pierrot has better titles and production values though.

Feb 5, 2015 8:00 AM

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Z4k said:

bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

Pierrot has better titles and production values though.

non the busiissness side toei wins 20 times

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FGAU1912 said:

Z4k said:

bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

Pierrot has better titles and production values though.

non the busiissness side toei wins 20 times

Yeah because Toei is a greedy studio.

Feb 5, 2015 8:07 AM

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Just one word: Mononoke.

Feb 5, 2015 8:22 AM

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Z4k said:

bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

Pierrot has better titles and production values though.

One Piece

The better titles part of your post has now been smashed to smithereens.

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Feb 5, 2015 8:37 AM

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IntroverTurtle said:

Z4k said:

bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

Pierrot has better titles and production values though.

One Piece

The better titles part of your post has now been smashed to smithereens.

No it hasn't. Pierrot still has many better titles than one piece.

Feb 5, 2015 8:44 AM

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Milk_is_Special said:

bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

But you seem to forget that their production value is pretty low compared to Pierrot.

No is not! Just Precure owns almost everything that Pierrot does. One Piece most of the time is also better than Naruto.
People take a few flashy moments and get blinded but anything else. Also people have misconceptions about what animation and art choices is(just like a lot of people in the west, specially America, think One Piece art is bad). And also people seem to be all in a rush, just a little slow episodes and is the end of the world.

And Toei movies are way better in production values than any movie of Pierrot(unless some movie I didn't watched from Pierrot has an incredible quality), showing that they have way better quality once again.

People in the western net have for the majority of times have a horrible Toei bias.
Interesting enough they loved their works when they were younger/kids, but now after growing up a little and with the rise of night anime format, they think like they are experts and critics of animation and only know how to talk bad. Also all the edgy and dark themes love that immature adults is stupid(Like Toei destroyed Toriko because it didn't show more blood and severed limbs and stuff like that).

People also seem to forget that Pierrot did Kingdom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh-vb6JCICY
And Polar Bear Cafe(that I didn't watch XD): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwzXtNnFWqY

When Toei does 3D does something like this
Happiness Charge Precure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYjABqTa5IA
Majin Bone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXyUVdmb_WM

And the guy that shown the Naruto Sakugas saying that One Piece wouldn't never have something like that, here is just Punk Hazard Sakugas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_ATSIq-yzY

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Feb 5, 2015 8:46 AM

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Z4k said:

IntroverTurtle said:

Z4k said:

bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

Pierrot has better titles and production values though.

One Piece

The better titles part of your post has now been smashed to smithereens.

No it hasn't. Pierrot still has many better titles than one piece.

There's no title in all of anime land that's better than One Piece so that's impossible.

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Feb 5, 2015 8:48 AM

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Z4k said:

IntroverTurtle said:

Z4k said:

bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

Pierrot has better titles and production values though.

One Piece

The better titles part of your post has now been smashed to smithereens.

No it hasn't. Pierrot still has many better titles than one piece.

Tell me about them?
One Piece and Precure are better than anything that Pierrot brings! They are basically the pillars of Action(I don't like calling Shonen because anime is not qualified as such), and Magic Girls(Mahou Shoujo).

When you're talking of better titles, are you including the ones that already ended? Or just the recent ones?

Feb 5, 2015 8:48 AM

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Both are fine studios really give me an anime with over 200 episodes that has "good" animation and follows the source material with no changes

Z4k said:
Pierrot has better titles and production values though.

Captain Harlock 2013 and Saint Seiya legend of sanctuary.

People are forgetting that toei has like 6 long running anime with more coming next season
People shouldn't always blame a studio for everything blame script writers/directors and producers

and bitching about censoring is just pointless

MaorFeb 5, 2015 8:52 AM

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Feb 5, 2015 8:56 AM

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bigivelfhq said:
Also people have misconceptions about what animation and art choices is(just like a lot of people in the west, specially America, think One Piece art is bad

Most of your post is just lol. But this in particular is dumb. How can an opinion about an art be a misconception, I would have understand if you meant that people call the animation bad, when they mean art.

And if that's One Piece example of good animation, then wow, I'm glad I didn't watch random fights like I was going to. And I remember that legs fight between Sanji and that other guy, to be an example of why One Piece's animation and choreography suck.

Feb 5, 2015 9:11 AM

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tsudecimo said:

bigivelfhq said:
Also people have misconceptions about what animation and art choices is(just like a lot of people in the west, specially America, think One Piece art is bad

Most of your post is just lol. But this in particular is dumb. How can an opinion about an art be a misconception, I would have understand if you meant that people call the animation bad, when they mean art.

And if that's One Piece example of good animation, then wow, I'm glad I didn't watch random fights like I was going to. And I remember that legs fight between Sanji and that other guy, to be an example of why One Piece's animation and choreography suck.

You're the one being dumb, because I said "MISCONCEPTIONS about what animation and art choices is" not "MISCONCEPTIONS about an art".

Also are you implying that artistic knowledge and appreciation doesn't exist? Are you saying that art schools and animation/art courses shouldn't exist? That art experts aren't educated people? Because it seems like that is what you're saying, by saying that is dumb what I'm saying.

Your last comment shows how you have a misconception of what animation is, or just horrible tastes(or just hate for One Piece so are blinding yourself even if unconscious). Also the choreography doesn't suck at all.

Feb 5, 2015 9:21 AM

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Z4k said:

FGAU1912 said:

Z4k said:

bigivelfhq said:
I'm late to the party but I will still respond! XD

First no one of the 2 studios is bad! They are pretty good studios with capacity of doing long running titles.

Toei animation is by without a doubt. Now I will give the reasons.
- Makes more titles.
- The titles they make are in general better and more entertaining.
- They take their times with their adaptations making most out of them. Pierrot lately has been speeding through stuff.
- Add better original content that flesh the stories they adapt better and even add to the feel of it.
- Manage their series better, not making ridiculous fillers arcs, like the 1 year and 9 months of fillers in Naruto, 5.5 months of filler in Naruto Shippuden. And still with that a ton of fillers, and majority is horrible and none that good.
- Does a ton of high quality movies every year.

Let's talk about their works in the last 4 years and long running titles(ran at least during those 4 years):

Pierrot has better titles and production values though.

non the busiissness side toei wins 20 times

Yeah because Toei is a greedy studio.

other studios have chacne to compete but they do not

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Feb 5, 2015 9:31 AM

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bigivelfhq said:

tsudecimo said:

Most of your post is just lol. But this in particular is dumb. How can an opinion about an art be a misconception, I would have understand if you meant that people call the animation bad, when they mean art.

And if that's One Piece example of good animation, then wow, I'm glad I didn't watch random fights like I was going to. And I remember that legs fight between Sanji and that other guy, to be an example of why One Piece's animation and choreography suck.

You're the one being dumb, because I said "MISCONCEPTIONS about what animation and art choices is" not "MISCONCEPTIONS about an art".

Also are you implying that artistic knowledge and appreciation doesn't exist? Are you saying that art schools and animation/art courses shouldn't exist? That art experts aren't educated people? Because it seems like that is what you're saying, by saying that is dumb what I'm saying.

Your last comment shows how you have a misconception of what animation is, or just horrible tastes(or just hate for One Piece so are blinding yourself even if unconscious). Also the choreography doesn't suck at all.

Bad wording on your part.

I have no clue what your second paragraph is supposed to mean.

I'm fully aware what animation is, when I say Naruto's animation is better than One Piece's I'm not referring to the art, I'm referring to the fluidity. More like it's the complete opposite of you loving it, way too much, to the point of calling it bad taste (ignoring stuff called opinions), when most one piece fans themselves think the animation is not good. It sucks, it's repetitive and like the fights in the series, it's mindless, that Sanji fight being a good example (kicking feet over and over again, how exciting!)

Key animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHSU_vvY-Nk

Let me know when Toei directs a better animated, well choreographed fight than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6aj62r_ICo

Feb 5, 2015 10:01 AM

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Kuuchuu Buranko should be under Toei and it's fucking phenomenal.
&
Pierrot animated Hikaru no Go.

I can't choose. ):

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Feb 5, 2015 10:12 AM

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toei did sailor moon and kyousou giga so they're definitely the better of the two

Feb 5, 2015 10:13 AM

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Pierrot is Madhouse-tier

Toei is just shit.

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Feb 5, 2015 10:32 AM

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silverwalls said:
toei did sailor moon and kyousou giga so they're definitely the better of the two

Not better than GTO.

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Z4k said:

silverwalls said:
toei did sailor moon and kyousou giga so they're definitely the better of the two

Not better than GTO.

Lol is there any point in this?

one liner opinions..

Feb 5, 2015 10:37 AM

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tsudecimo said:

Z4k said:

Not better than GTO.

Lol is there any point in this?

one liner opinions..

Not really I'm just waiting for the thread to get locked.

Feb 5, 2015 10:50 AM

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Z4k said:

silverwalls said:
toei did sailor moon and kyousou giga so they're definitely the better of the two

Not better than GTO.

live action os better thna the anime by far for GTO that howshow weak the anime is

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FGAU1912 said:

Z4k said:

Not better than GTO.

live action os better thna the anime by far for GTO that howshow weak the anime is

You no speakuh Englishuh?

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Ill take Pierrot any day of the week ,Toei is just absolutely abysmal.

Short random example that comes to mind :Yu Yu Hakusho had like 3-4 episode where the animation/character design was off (probably due to outsourcing to another studio ,experimenting with different techniques or similar) in all its runtime, Fist Of the North Star first season had 3 properly animated and well drawn episodes in total,just myeah....

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amateur said:
Ill take Pierrot any day of the week ,Toei is just absolutely abysmal.

Short random example that comes to mind :Yu Yu Hakusho had like 3-4 episode where the animation/character design was off (probably due to outsourcing to another studio ,experimenting with different techniques or similar) in all its runtime, Fist Of the North Star first season had 3 properly animated and well drawn episodes in total,just myeah....

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1283893&show=40#msg36018961

me is confused

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tsudecimo said:

amateur said:
Ill take Pierrot any day of the week ,Toei is just absolutely abysmal.

Short random example that comes to mind :Yu Yu Hakusho had like 3-4 episode where the animation/character design was off (probably due to outsourcing to another studio ,experimenting with different techniques or similar) in all its runtime, Fist Of the North Star first season had 3 properly animated and well drawn episodes in total,just myeah....

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1283893&show=40#msg36018961

me is confused

Thanks for keeping track of my previous posts for me.You finally found something actually worthwhile to do...

The title of the thread was different ,it was asking "which was worse out of the 2".

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Thanks for keeping track of my previous posts for me.You finally found something actually worthwhile to do...

The title of the thread was different ,it was asking "which was worse out of the 2".

Look at the edit date on the OP, it was last edited 4 minutes after it was made and you posted over a month later. Maybe you just misinterpreted the OP or the title.

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tsudecimo said:

bigivelfhq said:

You're the one being dumb, because I said "MISCONCEPTIONS about what animation and art choices is" not "MISCONCEPTIONS about an art".

Also are you implying that artistic knowledge and appreciation doesn't exist? Are you saying that art schools and animation/art courses shouldn't exist? That art experts aren't educated people? Because it seems like that is what you're saying, by saying that is dumb what I'm saying.

Your last comment shows how you have a misconception of what animation is, or just horrible tastes(or just hate for One Piece so are blinding yourself even if unconscious). Also the choreography doesn't suck at all.

Bad wording on your part.

I have no clue what your second paragraph is supposed to mean.

I'm fully aware what animation is, when I say Naruto's animation is better than One Piece's I'm not referring to the art, I'm referring to the fluidity. More like it's the complete opposite of you loving it, way too much, to the point of calling it bad taste (ignoring stuff called opinions), when most one piece fans themselves think the animation is not good. It sucks, it's repetitive and like the fights in the series, it's mindless, that Sanji fight being a good example (kicking feet over and over again, how exciting!)

Key animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHSU_vvY-Nk

Let me know when Toei directs a better animated, well choreographed fight than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6aj62r_ICo

How am I ignoring your opinion when I say what I think about it? You probably wanted to say that I'm "disregarding your opinion as a valid point". If you think that all opinions should be taken as valid points than you should have accepted everything that I'm being saying instead of discussing with me.

About that Naruto fighting scene. Let me say that it is good, but I don't see how showing the best(or one of the best) fighting choreographies in Naruto shows that One Piece/Toei ones suck.
Also that fight is not has good as you might think. First the clarity of the choreography is lost in most of their movement, is just velocity and them doing a lot of stuff that is not that comprehensible. It his impressible, but not clear, and because of that is just not that expressive. For examples, you have a better choreography in
- Sword of the Stranger: http://youtu.be/YQjS87bWEXg?t=1m15s
- Samurai Champloo: http://youtu.be/vzErUBYQZpI?t=7s
They are fast but clearer and each action more meaningful.
Toei mainly uses characters named attacks, and makes choreagrafies around that, and I assume that is your problem with it, something that Naruto also does for the most part with few exceptions like this.. Though Toei also as some and those are normally a lot more clearer and expressive, though I believe a lot shorter than the ones Naruto does(excepting Majin Bone):
- http://youtu.be/q0i4x868Zwc?t=1m57s
- http://youtu.be/QXyUVdmb_WM?t=11s

Majin Bone has a lot of moments like that given that named attacks are rare in there.

Naruto Vs Sasuke in part 1 has a better choreography , clearer, than this one.
Naruto VS Pain would also be better if it didn't had those stupid bits and exaggeration of the animation style they used in that moment(that was also used Naruto Vs Sasuke but not exaggerated).

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toei and bandai

Teir 2
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Pierrot

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When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong

Feb 5, 2015 1:25 PM

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Z4k said:

silverwalls said:
toei did sailor moon and kyousou giga so they're definitely the better of the two

Not better than GTO.

Did you read the manga of GTO? I watched only the first episodes of the anime and it was already butchered, but by looking at the number of episodes is obviously that it wasn't good. They made an anime of 43 episodes of a manga of 25 volumes, 200 chapters. A fast but good pacing of 3 chapters per episode would need 67 episodes. the equivalent size of 2 season. Where did they went? Don't tell me they went with 5 chapters per episode just like Tokyo Ghoul. Well is Pierrot so is possible.

Feb 5, 2015 1:26 PM

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I meant that you are disregarding different point of views as ''bad taste'' and ''misconceptions''. Fact of the matter is, most people think Toei animatino is bad, not good or average, so I don't know why you are acting like this.

Umm no. I showed that Kakashi fight scene, and wanted you to provide me with a better directed fight in One Piece, one that Toei added to and enhanced greatly. If I wanted to prove One Piece fights are bad in choreography by using one fight from Naruto, I would go with Sasuke vs Killer Bee, since Sword fighting is common in one piece. But either way, in order to prove one piece's choreography suck compared to Naruto's, I would have to list more than one example and go in detail explaining why they are bad. Which I don't care enough, to do so, I'm sure most people would agree, which series has better choreography. One Piece's like I described earlier is just not that good even on it's own, without comparison, it's very generic and typical, not a lot of detailed movements, a lot of one shot attacks, etc.

This is a discussion about One Piece and Naruto, Toei and Perriot. So using other anime, defeats the point of this. And I also never claimed that Naruto has the best fighting animation ever. But I guess you are using them to give me an idea/explain of what you think is good choreography.

I merely used the Kakashi fight because
A/It was mostly made by perriot, as in they added a lot to it on their own, since it was very short in the manga, and hardly as impressive and well choregraphed
B/ It was the most recent one.

tsudecimoFeb 5, 2015 1:30 PM

Feb 5, 2015 1:35 PM

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FGAU1912 said:
top tair stdios thtq hold most if the indusrty up

toei and bandai

Teir 2
nippon tatsunoko tms

3
Pierrot

I believe Sunrise is also better than Pierrot.
Also you forget in 2nd:
- Shin-Ei Animation(Doraemon and Crayon Shin-chan)
- OLM (Pokemon, Yokai Watch, Tamagotchi, Future Card Buddyfight)
- Eiken(Sazae-san and Tetsujin 28-go Gao!)

Also right now Tatsunoko isn't doing much to be put there. At least not in 2nd.

Feb 5, 2015 1:38 PM

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bigivelfhq said:

FGAU1912 said:
top tair stdios thtq hold most if the indusrty up

toei and bandai

Teir 2
nippon tatsunoko tms

3
Pierrot

I believe Sunrise is also better than Pierrot.
Also you forget in 2nd:
- Shin-Ei Animation(Doraemon and Crayon Shin-chan)
- OLM (Pokemon, Yokai Watch, Tamagotchi, Future Card Buddyfight)
- Eiken(Sazae-san and Tetsujin 28-go Gao!)

Also right now Tatsunoko isn't doing much to be put there. At least not in 2nd.

bandai own sunrise

buddy fight id owned by bushi road

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong

Feb 5, 2015 2:13 PM

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tsudecimo said:
I meant that you are disregarding different point of views as ''bad taste'' and ''misconceptions''. Fact of the matter is, most people think Toei animatino is bad, not good or average, so I don't know why you are acting like this.

If I'm disregarding different point of views as "bad taste" and "misconception" then I'm treating all point of views as "good taste" and "good understanding".
You want to say REGARDING, not DISREGARDING.
I'm regarding different point of views as "bad taste" and "misconceptions". You want to say the opposite. But no, I'm not putting it aside, I'm just disagreeing with you. Unlike you I didn't call you dumb for thinking what you think. Just that "in my opinion"(do I have really to put this?) I think you have bad taste in that point.

"most people think Toei animatino is bad, not good or average, so I don't know why you are acting like this."

- The majority of people you're talking is people in the internet, though.
- Those people got blind by short seasonal high budget titles, and gained a syndrome of "animation and art" criticism, just like the one that exists in video games. Everything that isn't mega expensive and hightech is bad(unless is their favorite anime Every bad animation and problems go right past their eyes).
- Those people don't watch basically no Toei animation titles, and forget or don't even know the other animes that they did see in the past and the movies that Toei made and makes.
As simple as that!

- Also those people love Death, because of the "sense of danger", and dark and edgy anime. Not saying those kind of animes are bad, but the obsession is in a level where they look at others animes, others that don't play by those rules and they complain about it and how it needs to be more "mature".
- Also those people run away of the anime that are labeled "kids" like it is the plague, because their anime is so "mature", when everything they liked in the past are in fact those titles. And then after that, they come complaining about how there is no Long running anime. When in fact there are in the dozens.
- Those people watch a ton of episodes of an anime and praise it like it is awesome, but than the last episodes are original content and than everything is ruined, all the anime is shit(Looking at you Toriko and Akame ga Kill(and I don't even like that much Akame, but is ridicule how there were so many fans and people praising it has the next big thing, and than so much hat for some few episodes, that weren't even that bad(or bad at all))).

Those people are everything but reliable!
And in the end because I'm not those people!

bigivelfhqFeb 5, 2015 2:18 PM

Feb 5, 2015 2:28 PM

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