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| It's obvious that he rehashed the plot at the last minute to make Kaguya its epicenter... I mean, remember when Hashirama said that Sasuke was reminding Madara of his brother? And that he was given a jutsu by Hashirama? What happened to it? What happened to the Talk no Jutsu Madara was supposed to receive by Sasuke? It's obvious that this wasn't planned, Madara became a puppet at the last minute when he was supposed to be the final boss, Kishimoto is just changing everything to fit his ending, the plot twist was badly executed. |
| "The war has already begun... My name no longer matters. You can call me by my old name, Tobi, if you prefer. Madara, Tobi... call me whatever you want." |
xDantey said: None of this final arc was planned. The series was originally meant to end a LONG time ago before the time skip even happened. And even then the reason this final arc didnt come sooner was kishimoto was saying in interviews he didnt know how to end it. The reason this final arc is such a trainwreck is lack of planning.It's obvious that this wasn't planned, Madara became a puppet at the last minute when he was supposed to be the final boss, Kishimoto is just changing everything to fit his ending, the plot twist was badly executed. This series is a perfect example of why writers shouldnt wing their endings, they should make a few possibilties of how to end it so they have something to build up to, then modify them as the series going along based off what your writing to build up to it. When you dont you get this. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| What the fuck is all this bullshit, I don't even... |
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| Black Zetsu = Naruto's Aizen XD Pain - I am God! Obito - It was all my plan! Madara - I was manipulating you all this time! Black Zetsu - Please, I've been controlling you all since you were born! Wow :O this chapter was f*cked up :(  |
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JizzyHitler said: xDantey said: None of this final arc was planned. The series was originally meant to end a LONG time ago before the time skip even happened. And even then the reason this final arc didnt come sooner was kishimoto was saying in interviews he didnt know how to end it. The reason this final arc is such a trainwreck is lack of planning.It's obvious that this wasn't planned, Madara became a puppet at the last minute when he was supposed to be the final boss, Kishimoto is just changing everything to fit his ending, the plot twist was badly executed. This series is a perfect example of why writers shouldnt wing their endings, they should make a few possibilties of how to end it so they have something to build up to, then modify them as the series going along based off what your writing to build up to it. When you dont you get this. Kishi never said it with his own mouth that he didn't know how to end it. It was just a flimsy rumour... |
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| Okay..... |
| The main villain (Orochimaru) turned out to not be the main villain. Turns out the main villain was (Pain) who actually wasn’t the real villain (it was Nagato) who turned out not to be the main villain. It was actually the idiot (Tobi) who turned out not to be an idiot and was the real threat of the series (Obito) who turned out to not be the main villain but was a servant to the real villain (Madara) who was fighting because he read crap on a stone just recently was betrayed the real main villain (Black Zetsu) who turns out to be the son and manipulated all of history for his mother the actual real real real villain who is also the Juubi (Kaguya) |
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sullynathan said: Um in a nutshell Yes.The main villain (Orochimaru) turned out to not be the main villain. Turns out the main villain was (Pain) who actually wasn’t the real villain (it was Nagato) who turned out not to be the main villain. It was actually the idiot (Tobi) who turned out not to be an idiot and was the real threat of the series (Obito) who turned out to not be the main villain but was a servant to the real villain (Madara) who was fighting because he read crap on a stone just recently was betrayed the real main villain (Black Zetsu) who turns out to be the son and manipulated all of history for his mother the actual real real real villain who is also the Juubi (Kaguya) I hate long exposition in this series though, I hope this story will not go on forever. Can we just win and move on please. |
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Keetriver said: If he actually planned it like we see, he really sucks at story telling and planning.Kazi9 said: Kishi never said it with his own mouth that he didn't know how to end it. It was just a flimsy rumour... Interviews are mistranslated/misinterpreted all the time. Unless I have read a certain interview wrong or the translation was done incorrectly, when asked about how Madara would be defeated Kishi stated something on the lines of "Every villain has a weakness. Madara however has none. So ask yourself, how he could possibly be defeated? Wait and see!" Stupid Madara fanboys had interpreted this as Kishi not knowing how to end Madara so he asspulls Kaguya. This chapter combined with Black Zetsu's constant presence is enough for me to believe he had this planning for a while. |
ssjokg said: Keetriver said: If he actually planned it like we see, he really sucks at story telling and planning.Interviews are mistranslated/misinterpreted all the time. Unless I have read a certain interview wrong or the translation was done incorrectly, when asked about how Madara would be defeated Kishi stated something on the lines of "Every villain has a weakness. Madara however has none. So ask yourself, how he could possibly be defeated? Wait and see!" Stupid Madara fanboys had interpreted this as Kishi not knowing how to end Madara so he asspulls Kaguya. This chapter combined with Black Zetsu's constant presence is enough for me to believe he had this planning for a while. Ha! I don't really see what's complicated here. Madara was manupulated to think that his will was his and his alone while it was kaguya's. After been betrayed/sealed(however u put it) she created black zetsu whose main purpose was to bring her back any means necessary. Her being sealed by a powerful sealing technique made it hard for him to bring her back so what's the next best thing? 're-create war to awaken the rinnegan in some crazy way' which we saw! We never saw the full battle of hashirama vs madara so anyone who disputes the biting can't really justify it! It should be known by now that the ninja world thrived on manipulations and deceptions so this shouldn't actually be a surprise. What we all thought we knew about the juubi was what madara thought he knew. So changing the words on that tablet really changed everything! |
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sullynathan said: you know i was too bothered by this black zetsu kaguya crap that i kind of forgot how stupid the entirety of this series' antagonists were. Seeing it put in lamens terms really puts that in perspective.The main villain (Orochimaru) turned out to not be the main villain. Turns out the main villain was (Pain) who actually wasn’t the real villain (it was Nagato) who turned out not to be the main villain. It was actually the idiot (Tobi) who turned out not to be an idiot and was the real threat of the series (Obito) who turned out to not be the main villain but was a servant to the real villain (Madara) who was fighting because he read crap on a stone just recently was betrayed the real main villain (Black Zetsu) who turns out to be the son and manipulated all of history for his mother the actual real real real villain who is also the Juubi (Kaguya) |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| It is easy to figure out why Madara ended up in such a miserable fashion. Kishimoto wants to milk more money from his masterpiece. Milk it all the way Kishi, milk it all the way. |
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Kazi9 said: I never said that it is complicated.I said it sucks. This isnt good strorytelling. There was nothing to foreshadow this, it doesnt make sense since it retcons pretty much everything after the timeskip and it doesnt even look cool.Changing the entire story a few(hopefully)chapters before the end is just what an amateur would do.ssjokg said: If he actually planned it like we see, he really sucks at story telling and planning. Ha! I don't really see what's complicated here. Madara was manupulated to think that his will was his and his alone while it was kaguya's. After been betrayed/sealed(however u put it) she created black zetsu whose main purpose was to bring her back any means necessary. Her being sealed by a powerful sealing technique made it hard for him to bring her back so what's the next best thing? 're-create war to awaken the rinnegan in some crazy way' which we saw! We never saw the full battle of hashirama vs madara so anyone who disputes the biting can't really justify it! It should be known by now that the ninja world thrived on manipulations and deceptions so this shouldn't actually be a surprise. What we all thought we knew about the juubi was what madara thought he knew. So changing the words on that tablet really changed everything! |
| So this whole ninja world is just a staged theater. This war definitely lead to a lot of things. From ninja world war by obito, to madara using obito, to kaguya revival, to the history of ninja. Wow. It leads to quite a thing. Kishi made this whole ninja story back to the history of the ninja world. It seems like all that has happened is not important, all this ninja story is just for this ending. |
| How long has this "war" been going on in the naruto universe? |
| sic mundus |
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| The scale has been blown so far out of proportion that I don't even care about any new enemies anymore. It's going to be hard for me to feel satisfied with a contrived ending like this. Naruto will sacrifice himself to seal all the bad stuff and save the ninja world. Sasuke will live on to tell the tale so no one repeats the mistakes of the Uchiha. meh. |
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| This war arc is the worst thing to ever happen to this series. |
| All that attempt to explain those plot hole was so Aizen. XD I though Kubo was the best troller. XD These puppets strings. I can's see an end on it. I wonder, since when BZ became Kaguya's son anyway as Madara said he "inserted" his will. At least, there's someone who can match Kubo, so in the future if we see some "amazing" troll, we called it "They got black zetsu-ed". XD |
| yep. its time. dropped this shit will never end anyways. |
| I'm with Zoldyck. I....I might need to read this again. When I'm fully energized. I'm kind of irritated, even though it's interesting. Sure, it is ninja, it is human culture to rewrite for our own benefit to have our way, especially when you want to rule the world. Things might not always be true. But this big black goo is behind all of it?! Now the brats want to revive their deadly parent! The one who created white zetsu from other people? And then Madara is cannibal potential and used Hashirama parts to get upgrade and to live long (of course the senju/uchinga mix thing was explained before). I DON'T KNOOOOOOOOOOW! What this does help in is -- how Madara expected his revival. I think it's cool that the 10 Tails is the moon. Sort of. I was like "Whaaaa?!" Cause Chibaku is the meteor jutsu yeah? Dang, this is Majora's Mask. Stupid moon! Kaguya's face was beautiful. Ikeda Masako should voice her. One of the mothers of VAs. |
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Jouten said: I personally think Kishimoto is a genius, and yes I believe he had a lot of this planned out from the start. Just god damn all these plot twists and deceptions, never really seen anything like it in any show, except maybe Lost. Naruto is the Lost of anime pretty much, probably why I love it so much. I still think we haven't heard the whole truth, since we know virtually nothing about Kaguya herself, so I'm looking forward to more mind bending twists. Props to Kishi having Black Zetsu be the true mastermind behind everything. :O hello fellow Dream eater ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- meh, i personally found this chapter a bit boring. at-least in contrast to the last one. and "we have to use THAT technique now" was a bit corny and lame =3= |
| Wow, Black Zetsu. The mastermind behind it all. I really like reveals like this. Where there's one more hidden truth tying everything together. |
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| Calling this "an Aizen" is praising actually. At least with Aizen the man behind everything didnt change almost 10 times.... |
ssjokg said: Calling this "an Aizen" is praising actually. At least with Aizen the man behind everything didnt change almost 10 times.... But, even Ichigo's birth was "keikaku dorii". Why not his defeat also "keikaku dorii"?? that's so retard. That's Aizen for you. XD BZ only need a little more trolling, though. shame he back to his hot mom c*nt already. Wait, probably that his "keikaku dorii". XD |
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MShukyDeneuve said: Not saying that the revelation about Aizen's plans wasnt bullshit but at least it was ONLY HIM.Only HIS plans were retconned.In Naruto EVERYTHING was retconned.ssjokg said: Calling this "an Aizen" is praising actually. At least with Aizen the man behind everything didnt change almost 10 times.... But, even Ichigo's birth was "keikaku dorii". Why not his defeat also "keikaku dorii"?? that's so retard. That's Aizen for you. XD BZ only need a little more trolling, though. shame he back to his hot mom c*nt already. Wait, probably that his "keikaku dorii". XD |
myanime2 said: Where are people getting this alien shit from? Where was it stated that Kaguya came from outside the planet?clare77 said: hmm...........i remember there being a crappy manga around called fairy tail..........probably go pick it up again LOL atleast fairy tail are all about wizards, dragons and demons that has been already hinted, and naruto? naruto naruto, i thought it was all about ninja, but, but, this ninja thingy was manipulated by ALIENS? ALIENS? ALIENS? SHOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCKKKKKK, there was no foreshadow in a first place, it was pull out of nowhere , fuck you kaguya bitch! naruto is more crappy dude!!!!"!!!!! kishi milk the story by explaining the plotholes with another more questions!!!!!!!...... I was under the impression she came from the God Tree, which is something that has always been in the Naruto world, (a.k.a Not an alien). |
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| I think everyone is mentally cracked at this point. |
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| Dat crying GGGMILF. 7/10 for this chap. |
| Isayama Hajime should be awarded The Manga with The Highest Inconsistencies of Characters' Appearances. He keeps performing multiple plastic surgeries on those Shingeki No Kyojin characters in a SINGLE chapter. Yes, I've read up to the latest chapter of Shingeki No Kyojin manga. Forced myself to read through the kidsketching chapters after the anime's ended. At least from now on, I only have to go through the hell once a month. Patiently awaiting SNK TV/movie/OVA anime-sequel. The 2015 SNK live-action movie would probably suck. |
| Zetsu next chapter "I lied, Im just your neighborhood".. |
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| "that" jutsu... i'm lost O.o |
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| So everything was according to black zetsu's plan? sigh.... Now who didn't see that coming? 2/5 |
| .....................................................................Seriously?......................................................you kidding right?................................. right?.......................black zetsu?..........................wtf? Black Zetsu>>>>>Aizen Truth Story |
Taito10 said: No actually Aizen is using his Kyoka Suigetsu and makes everyone think that BZ had planned everything all along......................................................................Seriously?......................................................you kidding right?................................. right?.......................black zetsu?..........................wtf? Black Zetsu>>>>>Aizen Truth Story |
Ryukatsuka said: And there we go. Another fucking twist. This is just too overwhelming to take in all at once...... Cognitive overload. No comment to give on this chapter as of now. I wonder why this manga has the need to retell its complete story every time there shows up a new (bigger) enemy. It's really starting to annoy me, every time it's like "All you knew up until now was a lie, in fact the truth is thusly". How can I take this even seriously? The ending to this manga is way overdue. Z4k said: So everything was according to black zetsu's plan? sigh.... Now who didn't see that coming? 2/5 My thoughts exactly. How do people validate this as good storywriting? 1/5 |
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| A possible theory on who fucked Kaguya is that probably she can reproduce on her own. What if she doesn't need to mate? You know like those species that are both male and female or whatever you call it. I know there's a word for it but I don't remember it. Well, I'm just putting this out there for people who are curious. |
| I thought it was obvious who Black Zetsu's real father is |
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