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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Setting up of the battle with the organization! And Clare is in that thing. Raki appears after some time.

Nov 1, 2010 1:14 PM

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There was propably something on his back that we couldn't see.

Nov 1, 2010 1:57 PM

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I think Miria is alive too ...
And yes ...
For Rai, i hope he will not die.

Nov 1, 2010 2:43 PM

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I hope Miria's is alive ;( She be badass

Nov 1, 2010 2:57 PM

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Deneve new leader?

Nov 1, 2010 3:32 PM

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Good chapter. I think that Miria is really dead. The seventh warrior they come back with will probably be Raki, who will then be the one to call Clare out from that giant blob.

Nov 1, 2010 3:35 PM

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yay! new member joined the party!! welcome dietrich to the team
i hope miria still alive and claire... just come out already! i miss u

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Nov 1, 2010 3:36 PM

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So, Clare is alive and caught in that thing. I'm curious about this and about Raki's back (lol). Well, maybe Miria is alive, not sure if all 6 of the warriors will return though.

Nov 1, 2010 3:52 PM

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my guess is, raki essentially had an unintended implantation of youma in him. its how they make the warriors anyways. since he has a very strong will, and body given his fighting ability, he is able to resist it. he seemed to be focusing to keep it at bay i suppose.

ironically he and Claire seem to be in the same situation. they are both keeping monsters at bay.

Nov 1, 2010 3:58 PM

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Another great chapter, the translation however was terrible, did no one even checked it before releasing?

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Nov 1, 2010 4:03 PM

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i can't believe raki has sth implemented from yoma ... if so, why no other claymore could sense him -_- i hope miria is still alive ... somekind of her body so cynthia can revive her ...

Nov 1, 2010 4:41 PM

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I don't care what happens to Raki at all, but I'd like to see Miria alive. Seems like such a waste to kill her off in one chapter after developing her character for so long...
January issue? Damn, that's a long time to wait. Hope to see Clare soon.

Nov 1, 2010 5:15 PM

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Great chapter I think Raki will have new powers after the experimentations and most
likely be used as a weapon to use against Claire and the group.....unless Claire gets out of that blob though.......

Nov 1, 2010 5:18 PM

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chapters (of usually ~30 pages) come out every month (usually) on ~ 1st-4th day of that new month. Though sometimes they have come out at the end of the current month as well, before the new month, only ~ a week difference anyways.

in Japan they say it comes out in Jan., but for the online world, "Jan." actually means Dec.

So chapter 110 should come out Dec. ~ 1st-4th

Nov 1, 2010 5:25 PM

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I remember Raki being strong in some other chapter, did he have youma powers then as well? And I thought only girls/women could have those powers? Ugh, Claymore is confusing with a once a month release

Nov 1, 2010 5:50 PM

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SilentPredator03 said:
Good chapter. I think that Miria is really dead. The seventh warrior they come back with will probably be Raki, who will then be the one to call Clare out from that giant blob.

i agree that would make sense, cuz i dont see how miria could still be alive after having like 7-10 claymores hacking and slashing at her, so the 7th warrior would most likely be raki.

Nov 1, 2010 5:55 PM

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How could Miria still be alive, you say? Let me give you one really possible solution:
- We are all aware that Miria had ability to leave after images prior to the battle of North, right? That is what made her No.6, and that is what gave her the nickname she is known by, right?

- We all know that all girls have improved greatly in those 7 years they had to stay hidden, right?

- So, knowing these two, why is it impossible for Miria to achieve another skill? Or rather, a higher form of her Afterimages?

And what am I talking about? I am talking about Miria being able to create something like clone. No, it wouldn't be Naruto clone which can wonder around and do Rasengan, it would be an afterimage, but afterimage that is totally 3D-ish. We know that Miria's prior after images would disappear if they are touched, right? So, if Miria progressed good enough, is it impossible for her to create after images that could bleed, scream and "die". I mean, look like they died. :)

Nov 1, 2010 6:16 PM

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wow this manga is rapidly dropping in quality with every passing chapter, at least this was slightly better than last month's.

Nov 1, 2010 6:35 PM

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SnG said:
How could Miria still be alive, you say? Let me give you one really possible solution:
- We are all aware that Miria had ability to leave after images prior to the battle of North, right? That is what made her No.6, and that is what gave her the nickname she is known by, right?

- We all know that all girls have improved greatly in those 7 years they had to stay hidden, right?

- So, knowing these two, why is it impossible for Miria to achieve another skill? Or rather, a higher form of her Afterimages?

And what am I talking about? I am talking about Miria being able to create something like clone. No, it wouldn't be Naruto clone which can wonder around and do Rasengan, it would be an afterimage, but afterimage that is totally 3D-ish. We know that Miria's prior after images would disappear if they are touched, right? So, if Miria progressed good enough, is it impossible for her to create after images that could bleed, scream and "die". I mean, look like they died. :)

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well, with chapter 109, this isn't feasible, as the Claymores+Black Coats, would quickly realize that there's no real Miria hacked to pieces all over the ground, lol.

in ch 109, the Org HQ is back to a "calm" state, with the "incident" (Miria's doomed assualt) dealt with, at least until the 6 Ghosts arrive, hehe.

Now, I'm not saying that Miria is thus dead, and ch 109 does seem to suggest that Miria is actually alive as well. I'm just saying that the "Phantom Clone ability" no longer is viable as an explanation.

it is quite possible that Miria is still alive, even maybe possibly after being hacked to pieces... somehow

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though, what I want best to have happened:

Miria's dead flesh has just been implanted into Raki's back, and Dae is now looking at the "fascinating/abnormal" mutation taking place on Raki's back!

Raki get's Miria's (female) legs and her yoki burst speed ability! ROFL!!!

Raki with Miria's female legs.... that would be a sight to see, lolololol

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p.s.

we've already seen that Raki is quite big now for a human, about same as Galk.

but now we've seen that he's quite buff/ripped/muscled as well, lol.

(I'm surprised at not reading any girl's post about Raki's hot body, lol)

Nov 1, 2010 6:36 PM

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Jesuvius said:
I remember Raki being strong in some other chapter, did he have youma powers then as well? And I thought only girls/women could have those powers? Ugh, Claymore is confusing with a once a month release

Mans can be claymores with youma powers, but they stop doing them because they awakened faster because they go madness easily. Remember Rigardo.

I think Miria is alive too, I only will accept that she is dead when her head falls or something like that, like Teresa.

Nov 1, 2010 6:41 PM

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possibly being hacked to pieces, isn't dead enough to you, but decapitation is?

for me, being hacked to pieces (having multiple parts of your body severed), is actually worse (ignoring the importance of the brain of course) than decapitation (as that just involves a single part of your body being severed).

though with Claymores, hacked to pieces, is more survivable than decapitation, which isn't at all. Great examples of this, are Cynthia and Clare, as they were both missing their entire lower bodies and still lived on.

Nov 1, 2010 6:55 PM

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HegemonKhan said:
possibly being hacked to pieces, isn't dead enough to you, but decapitation is?

for me, being hacked to pieces (having multiple parts of your body severed), is actually worse (ignoring the importance of the brain of course) than decapitation (as that just involves a single part of your body being severed).

though with Claymores, hacked to pieces, is more survivable than decapitation, which isn't at all. Great examples of this is Cynthia and Clare, as they were both missing their entire lower bodies and still lived on.

I said that because we couldn´t see Miria dying, we only see an arm flying. So I would belive that she died if I see something like Teresa´s scene. And as you say, hacked to pieces is worse because you don´t die in the instant, you suffer and die slowly.
I think Miria is alive, but it´s only what I think, I don´t have solid arguments, it´s like a hunch.

Nov 1, 2010 10:34 PM

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ah my bad. my apologizes.

didn't realize you were saying that in reference to not actually being shown Miria actually being shown hacked to pieces to actual death. again my apologizes.

"evidence" for Miria's death:

1. Miria is presumably hacked to pieces to death, shown in chapter 107.
2. chapter 109 seems to unfortunately confirm this, through the scene of the calm and dialogue of/at the Organization HQs, as they say the "incident" has been dealt with.
3. Galatea says she no longer senses Miria's yoki, and bluntly says that Miria is probably dead in chapter 108.
4. Rubel's dialogue (his "cruel eulogy of Miria" speech) and body language (such as pulling down his hat, as presumably Miria is hacked to pieces with her severed arm/hand shown flying)
5. the "one" that the 5 Ghosts (+Dietrich) bring back could very well be RAKI, and not Miria.... as Galatea hoped in saying to them in ch 109

"evidence" for Miria still being alive:

1. chapter 109 seems to suggest that Miria is alive and that the 5 Ghosts (+Dietrich) is going to try to rescue her.
2. we don't actually see Miria being "medically pronounced/shown killed", all we see is an arm/hand. So, for all we know, they could have sliced-cut up Miria, but not actually killed her.

Nov 2, 2010 1:02 AM

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Miria used a replacement no jutsu with another body(that looks just like her) before getting hacked into many pieces and then got away before anybody realizing it. she wanted everyone to believe that she is dead, so can move around freely without anybody noticing her. Like they say, you have to fool your allies to truly fool your enemies. Remember, she is actually a good strategist and her latest actions would make more sense in this case.

That is my rant for the month, Spine out!

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Nov 2, 2010 1:06 AM

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...so Clare's not coming back for a while, I guess. Dang.

Nov 2, 2010 1:35 AM

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interesting chapter
and the organisation got raki oO when did that happen

and about the hole raki thing: they may have implanted a yoma in him for a long time and he still hasnt awakened? maybe this is why they're so impressed

too bad we wont see clare soon since galatea said that if they release her they will release "that thing" too

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Nov 2, 2010 2:11 AM

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"and the organisation got raki oO when did that happen" -vudis

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it was some chapters ago.

Raki was in the western land (Luatrec), in Ticheri town, looking for Clare with Priscilla, when (thanks to Clare, the fool) the Destroyer "emerged" onto the scene, and shot out its first volley of huge projectiles.

Priscilla pulls Raki out of the way just in time as a second later a huge projectile flies right past where Raki was standing.

Unfortunately the manga completely skips what happened in Ticheri town, though we have some speculatory clues given later in the following chapters:

Priscilla said she was still hungry, after having eaten the humans, which is partly why she flew off to go feed on poor Infected Awakened Beth.

Raki has two small projectiles in his left shoulder (which come/are shot from the Destroyer's hellcats)

the next we see of Raki, he's impaled in his left shoulder by two small projectiles, and Priscilla has flown off (to Infected Awakened Beth, killing Awakened Alicia+Beth, to Riful+Dauf, killing Riful, to Clare+Deneve+Helen, killing Dauf, to Clare+Deneve+Helen+Destroyer, and finally to being engulfed/trapped/sealed by Clare-Destroyer, lol), and to make matters worse, Dae's retrieval unit discovered Raki, and Dae is having his retrieval unit taking Raki back to the Org's HQs., where he finally arrives at in ch 109.

Nov 2, 2010 3:41 AM

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As for Raki being implanted with Yoma (or Claymore) flesh - I think it's not the case, Beth was very powerfull Claymore but it didn't save her from being infected and Deneve had to tear off her own arm in order to stop the infection. The only being able to completely reject those things is Priscilla so my guess is that whatever saved Raki must have something to do with her (though how he would be able to survive being implanted with her flesh is beyond me since even implanting with the flesh of an Awakened Beings is turning the host into deformed and mindless Abyssal Feeders).

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Nov 2, 2010 4:00 AM

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HegemonKhan said:
ah my bad. my apologizes.

didn't realize you were saying that in reference to not actually being shown Miria actually being shown hacked to pieces to actual death. again my apologizes.

"evidence" for Miria's death:

1. Miria is presumably hacked to pieces to death, shown in chapter 107.
2. chapter 109 seems to unfortunately confirm this, through the scene of the calm and dialogue of/at the Organization HQs, as they say the "incident" has been dealt with.
3. Galatea says she no longer senses Miria's yoki, and bluntly says that Miria is probably dead in chapter 108.
4. Rubel's dialogue (his "cruel eulogy of Miria" speech) and body language (such as pulling down his hat, as presumably Miria is hacked to pieces with her severed arm/hand shown flying)
5. the "one" that the 5 Ghosts (+Dietrich) bring back could very well be RAKI, and not Miria.... as Galatea hoped in saying to them in ch 109

"evidence" for Miria still being alive:

1. chapter 109 seems to suggest that Miria is alive and that the 5 Ghosts (+Dietrich) is going to try to rescue her.
2. we don't actually see Miria being "medically pronounced/shown killed", all we see is an arm/hand. So, for all we know, they could have sliced-cut up Miria, but not actually killed her.

No problem, I didn´t specify all from the beginning, so no need to apologize ^^

Thanks for the lists of evidences for Miria´s status, the dead side is winning, for now... :P

Nov 2, 2010 4:04 AM

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Come back with a 7th? I think she's reffering to Miria if she's still alive or Clare if the monster thing wasn't her, I can't tell because Miria was sliced into pieces on the prev. chapter - only the author can put up some miracle on this

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Nov 2, 2010 4:17 AM

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Come back with a 7th? I think she's reffering to Miria if she's still alive or Clare if the monster thing wasn't her,

That monster thing was definitely Clare with Priscilla sealed inside.

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Nov 2, 2010 4:28 AM

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Hmmm- every chapter leaves me with somewhat more respect for Deneve-

...lol and i hope i'm not alone in thinking that the grown up Raki's kinda cute-

Nov 2, 2010 5:53 AM

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And why was that Dae guy so fascinated? I only saw Raki with those things in him... anyone care to explain?

I doubt they placed anything belonging to miria in Raki, and am clinging twoards that maybe priscilla did something to his body.

they were alone for all those years....impossible she didn't do something to alter his body....maybe they banged....god knows Raki has the face of a lolicon.

he prob told priscilla to starve after seeing her turning into a loli with time.

she prob did something to him on a genetic lvl, and he's been gradually changing ever since.

Nov 2, 2010 6:15 AM

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they really believe they can challenge the organisation with 7 people that sound like the next suicide mission.

Nov 2, 2010 10:59 AM

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"he prob told priscilla to starve after seeing her turning into a loli with time." -Inarius

actually it was BECAUSE Priscilla fasted/didn't eat (for Raki, as he obviously didn't like humans being killed and eaten up), THAT Priscilla shrunk in size to ~ half the height of adult Raki.

what is strange though:

Isley ALSO fasted (for Raki), yet he didn't seem to shrink in size at all, lol.

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just thought of this:

maybe Priscilla's shrinkage had nothing to do with her fasting, but rather that SHE (CHOSE TO) CHANGE her size in order to become "Raki's little sister" whith Isley being her "dad" as she tries to recreate a "human" family while they look for her real family (which is long dead, eaten by a normal yoma, lol) in the southern land Mucha, where her home town, Musha, is located.

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Isley was an abyssal, where Prisc is a super powerful awakened. its hard to tell who the 7th is but i suppose we get to find out in January. Damn, why are they skipping December....those bastids...

Nov 2, 2010 12:32 PM

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ch 110 is coming out in DEC., not Jan.

(for whatever reason, in Japan, they'll say the next month when it's really coming out the month before, lol)

Claymore comes out EVERY month, usually on the ~ 1st - 6th day of the new month.

I don't think Claymore has ever skipped a month yet.

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the only reason that Yagi might skip a month, is if its the last chapter, the grand finale, and Yagi needs the 2 months to write and draw it, lol

Nov 2, 2010 12:48 PM

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HegemonKhan said:
"he prob told priscilla to starve after seeing her turning into a loli with time." -Inarius

actually it was BECAUSE Priscilla fasted/didn't eat (for Raki, as he obviously didn't like humans being killed and eaten up), THAT Priscilla shrunk in size to ~ half the height of adult Raki.

wow.....you actually bothered to discuss a joke....well, you gave me my 10 seconds worth of lulz, so I must thank you for that

Nov 2, 2010 1:07 PM

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HegemonKhan said:
ch 110 is coming out in DEC., not Jan.

(for whatever reason, in Japan, they'll say the next month when it's really coming out the month before, lol)

Claymore comes out EVERY month, usually on the ~ 1st - 6th day of the new month.

I don't think Claymore has ever skipped a month yet.

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the only reason that Yagi might skip a month, is if its the last chapter, the grand finale, and Yagi needs the 2 months to write and draw it, lol

Yeah, I don´t know why, but when it says "January Issue" it comes out at December. I have the idea in my mind that claymore was on hiatus, but I can be misunderstanding with other manga...

Nov 2, 2010 2:55 PM

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EEEw! Whatever that thing is, Clare can't be comfortable in there. Apparently if you free Clare, it will free Priscilla as well. Yeah, I would take my time solving that puzzle. That's a Pandora's box if I ever saw one.

Nov 2, 2010 3:07 PM

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EEEw! Whatever that thing is, Clare can't be comfortable in there. Apparently if you free Clare, it will free Priscilla as well. Yeah, I would take my time solving that puzzle. That's a Pandora's box if I ever saw one.

Yeah, and it's laying just outside Rabona... They should take it along with them and open it somwhere near the org HQ XD

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Yeah, and it's laying just outside Rabona... They should take it along with them and open it somwhere near the org HQ XD

"Fire in the Hole!" *boom*

Yeah, they should think if they can free Clare without Priscilla, but it seems impossible, and Priscilla will be out...

Nov 2, 2010 5:15 PM

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it's all about Raki from here on out, straight up.

Hurr durr, I'm a burr.

Nov 2, 2010 6:06 PM

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The only new thing we learned here was that Clare is alive inside that awakened being along with Priscilla. Also, if Miria is still alive then that's just stupid >.>

Nov 2, 2010 6:49 PM

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I can see an ending on the horizon, Probably over a year away but I can see it!

Nov 3, 2010 12:53 AM

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Oh Deneve(and the others) please bring back Miria alive!!

Nov 3, 2010 1:37 AM

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Superb.

Epic chapter that managed to be epic without even having any sort of serious fight. Man, how i love this manga, but I certainly hope that Miria is actually dead.

Nov 3, 2010 4:20 AM

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"To be continued in the January issue" ~.~
omg...
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