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| If this is the end of the fight with Aizen, then what about the clash between Kenpachi and Byakuya in Hueco Mundo? Any news of them? Yammy isn't dead yet, right? |
| First half was just a friggin waste of chapter. Srsly, Bleach would be satisfying if it was maybe a 30 pages long. The end was rather anticlimactic, but I had lost hope long ago. So please, let this arc/manga end, Kubo. |
| Ok, so spirit king arc will be the final one I hope. Next. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| i don't even know what i just read..and i thought bleach was slowly regaining what it lost since the end of the SS arc but it just got worse Dx i don't hate urahara..but if he defeated aizen shouldn't he be the main character?that conversation about the kido reminded me of how aizen said to ichigo he had planned all his battles .__.but i don't think ichigo will lose is powers maybe after tis he regains them..i mean his father wouldn't have told him to ask mugetsu for the FGT if he didn't knew a way to get his powers back but anyway i don't know why i still read this..maybe its just to laugh ... but i hope the next 2 arcs are better i think this chapter deserves 3/5. |
alexcampos said: You are absolutely wrong. In chapter in individual, the shit sucksness and panel waste fuck becomes so bright, entertainment value doubles. However, in volume form, the shit sucksness is completed and what we see will be massive trainwreck that shows how chapters in overall are so disconnected and no-plot foreshadowing. Bleach is a much better manga when reading it in VOLUME form, instead of chapter form, in all honesty, it would probably benefit Kubo and the series if it were a MONTHLY instead of a weekly, but of course if that happened, it would probably never end... I mean, all mangas are better reading volume form than chapter, probably excluding bleach. LORD-Ichigo said: This was right when it was soul society arc back then. Now, this statement is facing paradox. kubo is a good planner for his bleach If my memories isn't affected by theory of schema and reconstruction, Kubo said (This year January) that he had absolutely no-idea when and how to end this AIZEEEN arc, how to kill Aizen, how to develop, how to win against dragon-ball. If he had things on plan before that interview, this arc should've ended like 4 months ago. I'm pretty much thinking that he thought about this Urahara 'JUST AS PLANNED' momment probably like one or two weeks ago, since this is just out of no-where. He also said there will be 2 more arcs after Aizeeeen's fall, that will be the end. However, since Kubo's master troll, we never know. |
| This was a bad finish. The problem was that the whole clash between Aizen and the goodies was pretty much fighting > losing > evolving > winning until the next set of Allies came. 2 productive things were supposed to come from this arc - 1. Power-up for Ichigo which did happen but only for a chapter until we were told that it wasn't actually gonna make him stronger. 2.Aizen's thought process, his reason for wanting whatever it was that he was after - this was shown in the latest chap very, very vaguely and could've easily been expanded on had numerous pages not been wasted on pages with full white BG's and a few white dots or full Black BG's with a few white dots....This for me was a real letdown.Now I know that he's just sealed and it may not be over but after a year of his trolling I think we deserved a bit more than " but, but I wanted to CHANGE the world." |
| Wow... it's.. really.. bad.. lol... |
| I feel liked I've just been Rick rolled... |
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| I think I should post just once more here and be over. In one of the comments I read that Kubo has said that he has no idea how he will end the arc. This was his first and greatest mistake from the beginning. Every author (I suppose there are exceptions, but the exceptions only prove the rule) of books, short stories and so on (I suppose manga is the same since it should have a plot with a beginning and an end) knows that they should have thought the end before actually writing. Because this is when you get a material for a short story with the length of a novella and not even near a conclusion. That's it from me. |
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| as much as i like Kisuke I'm left feeling a bit cheated... I mean wtf! I say the next enemy is the Spirit King. The Spirit King will decide everyone involved in this war should die to hide some dark secret that will be revealed soon including Ichigo's beloved town, hence why they all fight yet again. |
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ringoo4 said: If my memories isn't affected by theory of schema and reconstruction, Kubo said (This year January) that he had absolutely no-idea when and how to end this AIZEEEN arc, how to kill Aizen, how to develop, how to win against dragon-ball. If he had things on plan before that interview, this arc should've ended like 4 months ago. I'm pretty much thinking that he thought about this Urahara 'JUST AS PLANNED' momment probably like one or two weeks ago, since this is just out of no-where. Seriously? You wouldn't expect him to admit that. You got a link for this? I don't think I heard anything about it during Jump Festa or anything. It does sound like the kinda thing Tite would do though.lol |
bk-201 said: Yep, he did admit it. If I can show you the source, I would. But that site was apparently copy blocked and whatever shit. (Korean site thumbs down.)ringoo4 said: If my memories isn't affected by theory of schema and reconstruction, Kubo said (This year January) that he had absolutely no-idea when and how to end this AIZEEEN arc, how to kill Aizen, how to develop, how to win against dragon-ball. If he had things on plan before that interview, this arc should've ended like 4 months ago. I'm pretty much thinking that he thought about this Urahara 'JUST AS PLANNED' momment probably like one or two weeks ago, since this is just out of no-where. Seriously? You wouldn't expect him to admit that. You got a link for this? I don't think I heard anything about it during Jump Festa or anything. It does sound like the kinda thing Tite would do though.lol He did this interview during 'Young Jump Festival' this January. Even more hilarious thing is, one month before this interview, he had some interesting claim; December 2009 -After this arc ends, two more very short arc will be added. -Ichigo's father will start to appear more after this arc. -Kubo said this arc will end in 2010, but he said again that 'it will end when it has to'. You know what I mean. |
| Maybe Aizen will get a monster sob story chapter, since Kubo has a habit of making you feel sorry for some of the villains. |
| What's this, a twist in Bleach that I actually didn't see coming? Never thought I'd be surprised again before the end. |
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noobalm said: This is reallly bad, Aizen knew that Ichigo will train, etc... he let him to do it... for god sake, lame shounen manga, why I expected that Aizen will win lol :D they didnt even clash swords with ichigo, i really feel dumb for reading bleach after last chapter It's all his ego, even up until the end Aizen didn't believe Ichigo's strength. But yeah, Ichigo didn't fight, characters with ego in bleach are pretty shit when it comes to fighting. All Aizen ever did was magic swipe, or one kido. All Ichi did that fight was stand, get hit, slash twice, then obliteration technique. Bleach is around MAR level, atm. |
BakaKawaii said: don't forget Ichigo almost always either his forehead gets cut and/or his chest gets punctured.noobalm said: This is reallly bad, Aizen knew that Ichigo will train, etc... he let him to do it... for god sake, lame shounen manga, why I expected that Aizen will win lol :D they didnt even clash swords with ichigo, i really feel dumb for reading bleach after last chapter It's all his ego, even up until the end Aizen didn't believe Ichigo's strength. But yeah, Ichigo didn't fight, characters with ego in bleach are pretty shit when it comes to fighting. All Aizen ever did was magic swipe, or one kido. All Ichi did that fight was stand, get hit, slash twice, then obliteration technique. Bleach is around MAR level, atm. ringoo4 said: Hell Aizen himself wasn't even a villain till after he faked his death.bk-201 said: Yep, he did admit it. If I can show you the source, I would. But that site was apparently copy blocked and whatever shit. (Korean site thumbs down.)ringoo4 said: If my memories isn't affected by theory of schema and reconstruction, Kubo said (This year January) that he had absolutely no-idea when and how to end this AIZEEEN arc, how to kill Aizen, how to develop, how to win against dragon-ball. If he had things on plan before that interview, this arc should've ended like 4 months ago. I'm pretty much thinking that he thought about this Urahara 'JUST AS PLANNED' momment probably like one or two weeks ago, since this is just out of no-where. Seriously? You wouldn't expect him to admit that. You got a link for this? I don't think I heard anything about it during Jump Festa or anything. It does sound like the kinda thing Tite would do though.lol He did this interview during 'Young Jump Festival' this January. Even more hilarious thing is, one month before this interview, he had some interesting claim; December 2009 -After this arc ends, two more very short arc will be added. -Ichigo's father will start to appear more after this arc. -Kubo said this arc will end in 2010, but he said again that 'it will end when it has to'. You know what I mean. |
KantonKageXSep 24, 2010 2:04 PM
| i rated this chapter 5/5 for Aizen sealed off... and i don't care for bleach story anymore... |
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| If you ignore the fact Kurahara shot that kidou undeath another kidou x amount of chapters back, and instead believe he shot it at that moment when he wasn't focusing. It seems slightly better. |
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KantonKageX said: BakaKawaii said: don't forget Ichigo almost always either his forehead gets cut and/or his chest gets punctured.noobalm said: This is reallly bad, Aizen knew that Ichigo will train, etc... he let him to do it... for god sake, lame shounen manga, why I expected that Aizen will win lol :D they didnt even clash swords with ichigo, i really feel dumb for reading bleach after last chapter It's all his ego, even up until the end Aizen didn't believe Ichigo's strength. But yeah, Ichigo didn't fight, characters with ego in bleach are pretty shit when it comes to fighting. All Aizen ever did was magic swipe, or one kido. All Ichi did that fight was stand, get hit, slash twice, then obliteration technique. Bleach is around MAR level, atm. ringoo4 said: Hell Aizen himself wasn't even a villain till after he faked his death.bk-201 said: Yep, he did admit it. If I can show you the source, I would. But that site was apparently copy blocked and whatever shit. (Korean site thumbs down.)ringoo4 said: If my memories isn't affected by theory of schema and reconstruction, Kubo said (This year January) that he had absolutely no-idea when and how to end this AIZEEEN arc, how to kill Aizen, how to develop, how to win against dragon-ball. If he had things on plan before that interview, this arc should've ended like 4 months ago. I'm pretty much thinking that he thought about this Urahara 'JUST AS PLANNED' momment probably like one or two weeks ago, since this is just out of no-where. Seriously? You wouldn't expect him to admit that. You got a link for this? I don't think I heard anything about it during Jump Festa or anything. It does sound like the kinda thing Tite would do though.lol He did this interview during 'Young Jump Festival' this January. Even more hilarious thing is, one month before this interview, he had some interesting claim; December 2009 -After this arc ends, two more very short arc will be added. -Ichigo's father will start to appear more after this arc. -Kubo said this arc will end in 2010, but he said again that 'it will end when it has to'. You know what I mean. Unless you can find the interview it didn't happen. I mean an author saying things like that look more like a bullshit false interview than a real one. Kubo plan his serie ahead since in the first chapter there was already a picture of the vaizard (well shinji to be more acurate) -> http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-1-page-3.html Also most of the thing he wrote made sense but most of the readers don't get the symbolism between some things, don't think/don't care about understanding and just say that Bleach make no sense because people on internet forums say so. I or Fai could answer most of the question about bleach (And by the way I am a hater but at least I'm intelligent enough to admit that bleach isn't that bad and most of the hate come from the popularity) and there would still be people saying it doesn't make any sense, why? Because everybody say so. |
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| http://www.bleachanime.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1982879&postcount=118 Doesn't seem that official, but it was info from Festa. Any monkey can answer questions regarding bleach, some monkeys just choose not to sugar coat it with love. ziggy-stardust said: Urahara part is definitely both an ass pull, and a plot hole. The Kido inside the Kido thing was an ass pull considering it was never foreshadowed back then and the spell should have been activated during Aizen vs Gin battle. The plot hole is the part about Urahara was exiled from SS and can never enter the place, but there he is. Casually taking down Aizen. Someone was saying that because it was the war that Kisuke was given permission to enter SS, which is possible, seeing as he'd been working with G13 to open a path to HM. But yeah, it would make sense to activate the kido when he was ripped apart by Gin, which sorta validates the whole "it wasn't damage, more delayed kido" thing I said. |
WhichOneIsKirkSep 24, 2010 3:53 PM
Dandere-chan said: You mad because I know a bit more than you?Unless you can find the interview it didn't happen. ziggy-stardust said: 2ch does sometimes exaggerate a bit, but it can be more accurate, as it often has interviews that aren't officially known.Naw~ you're just exaggerating. He only said he have no idea how to end the current arc, but he never went on about how he doesn't know how to kill Aizen, how to win against Hogyokou etc. The rest is pretty much right on. Bleach has never been carefully, intricately planned from the start till now. It was arguably loosely planned, but that's just Kubo leaving some part vague/open before tying all the loose ends as part of Aizen plan. Aha, I get. That's why I hated Bleach when I started reading it, even though I liked it.Meh. Just another fan that wanted to defend the plot holes in this chapter. Of course Kubo can simply filled in this plot hole in the next chapter by implementing that fan theory but as of now, it was still a plot hole in this chapter. What left me in despair, is how some try to make sense out of this obvious non-senses. I mean... ok, fan wants to believe their favourite series to be good. Granted. But, it doesn't mean it can justify all those... whatever shit happening to ridiculous Strawberry-kun power-ups and Urahara trolling. BakaKawaii said: Not that one. Kubo had another spoiler interview, about one month later. That's where he admitted that he had absolutely no-idea what to do with this arc.http://www.bleachanime.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1982879&postcount=118 Doesn't seem that official, but it was info from Festa. Any monkey can answer questions regarding bleach, some monkeys just choose not to sugar coat it with love. symbolism Wow. Poetry. |
| No no no no no, I'm going to say this once for anyone who believes that what happened at the end of this chapter was character development of any sort. This whole "Aizen was just a well intentioned extremist" deal is bullshit and you know it. It is as much bullshit as Gin turning into a good guy. Aizen didn't do this because he's a good guy, he did it because he's an evil fuck. Disapproving of the spirit king doesn't justify killing Hallibel, or Tousen. It doesn't justify killing central 46 cause, guess what, Urahara left without killing them. This was not character development, this was Kubo trying to make Aizen into a good guy without the lease bit of foreshadowing. He never said "I want to take down the spirit king," his entire goal was usurping him so he could be the douchebag on top. |
| It was slight character development, it went from Aizen wanting to be a God for the sake of power, to wanting to overthrow the spirit king just because he wants to go against the conformist way of viewing how SS worked, he wanted to do something to change what everyone believed, he was still an asshole, but he was a revolutionary asshole. |
BakaKawaii said: It was slight character development, it went from Aizen wanting to be a God for the sake of power, to wanting to overthrow the spirit king just because he wants to go against the conformist way of viewing how SS worked, he wanted to do something to change what everyone believed, he was still an asshole, but he was a revolutionary asshole. Stop talking like he's dead, for he is a shinigami(former) + he saw Ichigo= he is still alive sealed but still alive. |
| May as well, until Tite deicides (HA) he wants him back in the picture. |
BakaKawaii said: It was slight character development, it went from Aizen wanting to be a God for the sake of power, to wanting to overthrow the spirit king just because he wants to go against the conformist way of viewing how SS worked, he wanted to do something to change what everyone believed, he was still an asshole, but he was a revolutionary asshole. Right, my apologies. It was character development but my problem is that it has no basis. Kubo wants us to believe that Aizen was just a revolutionary extremist instead of an evil bastard but he gives us absolutely no reason to, other than the few words at the end. This could have all been done better if we knew more than just the fact that the spirit king exists and rules the soul society. Rebelling is fine and all, but a need to rebel is necessary. Mystery is fine but foreshadowing is important. So we know he exist and Aizen rebelled? Why? What's so wrong about wanting to protect innocent souls from becoming hollows? Is Aizen suppose to be a the "hero" for the people of outer Rukon who (un)live in poverty and aren't helped by the spirit king? And what makes it even more jarring is that just a couple of chapter before Aizen was gasming over "surpassing hollows and shinigami." This is the same problem I had with the Itachi revelation, up till his death we have him screeching about wanting Sasuke's eyes then BAM it turns out he's supposed to be a good guy. Going to the good side is fine but it shouldn't be done posthumously just to make readers feel bad for villains. That much can be done by a start of darkness arc or flashback. |
| Yeah, I get what you mean, it just came out of nowhere, I'm guessing this is the first foreshadowing of how the spirit king is a bad guy. But it's really hard to believe that Aizen cared about the caste system at all, he just wanted someone else (himself) to take the reigns so he could see what happened. It was just a quickly thrown together point, only used to say "hey, I'm not the real bad guy here" which is needed, seeing as Aizen was the main runner for that position has been sealed *rolleyes* But no matter how anyone spins it, Aizen was still bad, he still tried sacrificing the town and all it's souls. Time to sit and enjoy the delicious plot holes appear. |
BakaKawaii said: It was slight character development, it went from Aizen wanting to be a God for the sake of power, to wanting to overthrow the spirit king just because he wants to go against the conformist way of viewing how SS worked, he wanted to do something to change what everyone believed, he was still an asshole, but he was a revolutionary asshole. Actually no. He didn't want to change the way things worked because he cared how things worked. He just didn't like the way things worked simply because he thought himself too great to be under anyone. Is like you are trying to overthrown your government not because you don't like how they do things but because you don't like the fact that you are not on top of that government. |
| people says Kubo planned his manga from the beginning.. ofcourse he did. but the problem is there are only 2-3 arcs there.. in comparison with naruto/onepiece/fairy tail which are TONS of material ahead.. bleach on the other hand didnt had no plot for like 200 chapters and when it had it had a few hints here and there.. which nobody really doesnt care.. |
| so is bleach finally coming to an end now -_- |
| I really wanted Ichigo to finish off Aizen... |
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| I agree with Damonashu. Something about the way Aizen's character was handled this chapter rubbed me the wrong way. The lack of foreshadowing as to Aizen's supposed goodness made this chapter look like an asspull. I remember writing something similar to this when Gin was flashbacked into a good guy. Aizen has been shown constantly as selfish, power hungry, and somewhat crazed in his need for superiority. This new 'development' in character does not fit well; it wasn't planned out well or far enough in advance. It does not come across as character development, instead it looks like a poor attempt at endearing the character to the audience and arousing some form of pity. I think many mangakas these days feel uncomfortable with making their villains truly villainous and irredeemable. Like I said before; this is Itachi all over again. |
Monad said: Actually no. He didn't want to change the way things worked because he cared how things worked. He just didn't like the way things worked simply because he thought himself too great to be under anyone. Is like you are trying to overthrown your government not because you don't like how they do things but because you don't like the fact that you are not on top of that government. He said just before his sealing "the way things should be" showing (even if it was thrown in right at the end) that he cared about how things worked, he wanted to change things, even if it's based on him becoming a god, he still wanted to change how things went on. It's also shown that he hates the people who are idle and just accept things that are thrown in our faces as logic or reason or "the way the world works" which actually came up beforehand, even if it did seem like a nonsensical rant at the time. |
Rizzle said: I agree with Damonashu. Something about the way Aizen's character was handled this chapter rubbed me the wrong way. The lack of foreshadowing as to Aizen's supposed goodness made this chapter look like an asspull. I remember writing something similar to this when Gin was flashbacked into a good guy. Aizen has been shown constantly as selfish, power hungry, and somewhat crazed in his need for superiority. This new 'development' in character does not fit well; it wasn't planned out well or far enough in advance. It does not come across as character development, instead it looks like a poor attempt at endearing the character to the audience and arousing some form of pity. I think many mangakas these days feel uncomfortable with making their villains truly villainous and irredeemable. Like I said before; this is Itachi all over again. Gin is not a good guy, he killed the former 3rd seat of 5th division, he manipulated Hinamori, Rukia and Hitsugaya, and he ripped hiyori in two, he may care for rangiku, but that makes him not a good guy, same for aizen, he may have something against the spirit king, who maybe is evil, but he is just an evil bastard |
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ReaperEXE said: LMFAO!! This is just too pretentious: "That Kidou was hidden within another Kidou that was sent into your body." It's safe to conclude now that Bleach is a manga that makes fun of the prospect of how ridiculous in general manga is... I'm just going to assume that Isshin lost his powers because of using Final GT. I wonder if it really was just time that brought them back. Ichigo will back to his overpowered self in no time though. lol. So we got another Aizen troll, then a Urahara troll, and then finally a hougyoku troll. WTF! |
reaght said: so bleach is not realistic? uhm shinigami's, uhm personificated swords, uhm hollows, hmmm maybe it wasnt too realistic too begin with.. Go read a detective or something You don't get it, it's not realistic within the world that Tite has created, in a story a writer creates a certain level of realism within his world, Tite breaks that realism lots, it's like calling Orihime's reversal powers amazing and that, then later on a non 4th squad can heal a hole in someone's stomach like it's nothing. |
| It's easier to ignore the bashing of bleach than to ignore the storytelling of bleach. I just hope Tite picks up the pace a little bit, I want to see more per chapter, even if it's a bad story I want to be left feeling "ah that was a lot, it was bad but it was nice to see more than one thing happen per chapter" But yes, the incredibly drawn out arc is finally up, I'm guessing we'll get one or two chapters cleaning up all this then moving onto something else, or something along those lines. |
reaght said: But we never get sick of bashing bleach, since that's why we read bleach!Too be honest, i'm more sick of the bashing of bleach then the bad story telling itself. |
ringoo4 said: reaght said: But we never get sick of bashing bleach, since that's why we read bleach!Too be honest, i'm more sick of the bashing of bleach then the bad story telling itself. Exactly. Especially Aizen. Though since Aizen is gone, what's next to make fun of? No more butterflies, no more tentacles, and least but not last Aizen's Trolls. |
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punkster90 said: ringoo4 said: reaght said: But we never get sick of bashing bleach, since that's why we read bleach!Too be honest, i'm more sick of the bashing of bleach then the bad story telling itself. Exactly. Especially Aizen. Though since Aizen is gone, what's next to make fun of? No more butterflies, no more tentacles, and least but not last Aizen's Trolls. Maybe Tite will pick up his game so people won't have to make fun of bleach, this is what I'm really hoping for. After reading comments about the recent arc, maybe he'll work on his pacing, the backgrounds, and make it easier to enjoy. |
| WHAT A GOOD CHAPTER, BLESS YOU KUBO!!!111 Sike. |
| Is it okay to read this crap again? |
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| In the end, Ichigo is still a dip shit... Kubo-Sense, are u finally lose it???i |
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| Consumed, man i laughed my as off when i read all the pictures under the "show spoiler" thing. lololol great job |
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