| I say about a good 90% of the users on this site have admitted to downloading anime to their HD. What I want to know is what is the technical legal mumbo jumbo that condemns or accepts our downloading hobbies? |
| It's not. No excuse will help you. We do it anyway. |
| yeah download it !! |
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| Well, if you download the anime from, say, FUNimation's website and payed for it - that's legal. If you download a torrent (likely of a funsub) without paying for it - that's illegal. But 99.9% of people don't care and typically take the illegal route to get their anime fix. |
| If you want to watch anime legally, have fun paying shit tons of money for DVD's and having a significantly smaller selection to choose from. Or watching 1 episode every saturday on adult swim or something, lol. |
kingw0rmJul 27, 2010 12:53 AM
| No, unless you pay it. (It may be not legal if they don't pay for the owners, but you can't know). |
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| It´s illegal, but i dont care ..... |
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| Depends where you're from, too. Here in the Netherlands, it is perfectely legal to direct download anime, though torrenting isn't. |
| I know distributing is illegal... but, I'm not sure if downloading is illegal... Is there a page in law clearly state that we can't download stuff like fansub? |
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| I was always told: "sharing is caring" and by using torrents I get to share with other people, I'm just trying to be a good person, whether it's legal or illegal. |
| I still firmly believe that we should live in world where information is free including all media, that is a very beautiful world and one that will never happen lol. |
PurplePenguin said: I still firmly believe that we should live in world where information is free including all media, that is a very beautiful world and one that will never happen lol. i wish for that world :] |
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BlackSnake56 said: PurplePenguin said: I still firmly believe that we should live in world where information is free including all media, that is a very beautiful world and one that will never happen lol. i wish for that world :] Perhaps we should all band together to create this world... |
GreyWinged said: I agree with GreyWinged, and also: you can watch and buy anime legally and still indulge in the advantages of the illegal content. It's not like things have to be black or white with no middle ground. Just watch what you want to via fansubs/rips, then buy what you like when/if it's available in your area. Maybe mix in a few blind buys of shows that seem appealing based on reviews/word-of-mouth. skutieos said: If you want to watch anime legally, have fun paying shit tons of money for DVD's and having a significantly smaller selection to choose from. People need to learn to bargain hunt and use Ebay, Craigslist, sales, coupons, and classified ads to their advantage. Anime doesn't have to be expensive. Or watching 1 episode every saturday on adult swim or something, lol. There's this thing called Internet streaming out there, and there's plenty of free legal streams as well as the illegal ones. No direct costs or [as] scheduling bullshit to deal with.I still firmly believe that we should live in world where information is free including all media, that is a very beautiful world and one that will never happen lol. Then how will media creators eat, shelter, feed, and clothe themselves? That's why it won't happen, and why the "I should never have to pay for any anime" model isn't sustainable in the present either. |
PurplePenguin said: BlackSnake56 said: PurplePenguin said: I still firmly believe that we should live in world where information is free including all media, that is a very beautiful world and one that will never happen lol. i wish for that world :] Perhaps we should all band together to create this world... in such a world anime ant the likes wouldnt exist on this level, or do you really think that anyone would work for free. anime and manga dont grow on trees |
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Xjellocross said: It's not. No excuse will help you. We do it anyway. This. |
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Psyclipse said: PurplePenguin said: BlackSnake56 said: PurplePenguin said: I still firmly believe that we should live in world where information is free including all media, that is a very beautiful world and one that will never happen lol. i wish for that world :] Perhaps we should all band together to create this world... in such a world anime ant the likes wouldnt exist on this level, or do you really think that anyone would work for free. anime and manga dont grow on trees still piracy is at large ......and most of us ...likes it |
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| It actually is, as long as it's not licensed in your country (happens to be the case of most anime people want to watch though) Basically, it's not illegal in your country. But it is illegal in Japan. So you're breaking a law of a country that is not yours, but that directly affects them as if you were there. |
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| whats the point of having high internet connection if we r not downloading stuff for free? |
| whats the point of having high internet connection if we r not downloading stuff for free? |
| I never download anime. I always watch subbed and ready to watch versions on anime sites. That includes FUNimation's Youtube channel on the occasion. |
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Akamitsu said: I never download anime. I always watch subbed and ready to watch versions on anime sites. That includes FUNimation's Youtube channel on the occasion. Heh... Easy to be you. I live in New Zealand, FUNimation blocks us even on Youtube... Don't blame me for downloading stuff if you're not even allowing me to watch... (Seto no Hanayome was blocked too, I can't even watch the OP and ED on youtube, although I could recently, donno why.) |
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| Generally, it's illegal but hey who gives a damn. 9 out of 10 people do it. |
Jb1528 said: Since you appear to be in the USA, here are the specific aspects of 'technical legal mumbo jumbo' that apply to illegal anime downloading done by non-authorized routes, etc.:What I want to know is what is the technical legal mumbo jumbo that condemns or accepts our downloading hobbies? 1. The crime in the USA is currently defined under criminal law in Title 17, Section 506 of the United States Code, which describe the criteria for criminal copyright infringement. However, for this part of the code to apply, one generally needs to be involved in production and redistribution, and also a level of willful intent has to be shown, as possession is not by itself evidence under this part of the code. 2. Things that could start a civil infringement (the ones where the companies sue you in court, rather than the government) are also listed under the rights of copyright holders under 17§501. This is the part where public display (e.g., an anime club, conventions) would fall. 3. Since most modern copyright infringement is done using the Internet, it also falls under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which take these rules in US Code and places strict requirements on ISPs and the like to follow through with suspected copyright violators and assist copyright holders. This is the manner through which most on this site would ever run into a legal question on anime, and even this simply acts as a "buffer" between the end-downloader and the real teeth of the law, which reside in the stated US Code sections. DMCA notices require copyright holder action, however, and once notified, the offender can avoid further action by simply removing the infringing material. 4. All of these rules originate from the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works ("Berne") which the vast majority of countries and 99.99% of the readership of this website are signatories to. An author's work is protected in any signing country, even if it has not been "licensed" to be sold. In Berne's viewpoint, a Japanese author is afforded the same protection as an American author or an Australian author or a Peruvian author.
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| who's gonna stop us NOBODY not even Bill Gates |
| Downloading fansubs is illegal, but I think you'll be ok just as long as you do not bootleg them online. But I think if you own a dvd of a certain series and you have it downloaded as well, it technically is legal(in a sense) |
| It's obvious that it is. It's not like everyone is willing to wait for years/months for a series to be licensed and sold in their country. bokami said: whats the point of having high internet connection if we r not downloading stuff for free? Dude, are you sure you're on the right track? |
| Answer: Yes. But people do it all the time. Like bootlegs. |
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| It is illegal to download copyright materials, but it is not illegal to share a file, in other words, file sharing is not illegal. |
ladyxzeus said: It actually is, as long as it's not licensed in your country (happens to be the case of most anime people want to watch though) Basically, it's not illegal in your country. But it is illegal in Japan. So you're breaking a law of a country that is not yours, but that directly affects them as if you were there. Haha... yeah guys. Learn2pirate. General rule of thumb is if its point of origin is in another country (Russia,Japan,Korea instead of USA for me) it's basically a free for all. International internets do not hold any legality because of its vastness and many loopholes. I.e. Demonstration purposes only or private demos. It's only illegal when it gets registered/licensed in your country and someone in that country owns the rights to said product/item/anime. Because once its in their hands, they have the ability to sue or imprison down-loaders because its now considered piracy. EDIT: Iri said it right... but no Japanese lawyer is going to spend egregious amounts of money to sue a middle-class worker. Untill they find an easier way to mass sue everyone, the individual is fine. ISP's on the other hand, you're at their mercy. But for the most part the MPAA is the only company that has ever halted my internet service. |
RanivusJul 29, 2010 2:22 AM
  "What happens when we die?" I know that the ones who love us will miss us. |
| It's only illegal if you get caught |
| i dont download...i watch it on anime sites :3 but i also buy anime...if i have the money ^^ though, if could, i would download >.> |
| No. |
| Most of it isn't unless a company has free episodes up to view like FUNimation... but we all do it I'm afraid. |
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| Well well, If you ask a big company, they will want to arrest all of us. If we stick to the big companies we will wait YEARS to see a given anime or manga released, and in some cases it may NEVER happen (Cannon God Exaxxion was abandoned by DH...Gall Force REvolution never came....Yamato lat movie has not come yet....the list goes). The big companies take years to subb a series, and fansubs out there make it in days... To store animes in file format is tidier and easier than in disks so the experience is even better when we collect them in HD... The whole matter needs to be reworked. The torrents and dd out there will not stop and in time an answer in the middle ground will need to be reached, where everybody wins a bit and looses a bit. |
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VoidHawk said: The big companies take years to subb a series, Not in 2010 they don't. |
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| I think it's not illegal to download anime which not licensed in my country. I'm from Russia, our DVD/Blu-ray regions are 5/C and Japan got 2/A. And wtf I'm suppose to do? Waiting for licensing? btw I like 1 russian licensor (reanimedia) and I got all their releases. But thats all the have: Ookami to Koushinryou Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Top o Nerae 2! / Diebuster Toki o Kakeru Shoujo Petshop of Horrors Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu Byousoku Go Senchimetoru Haibane Renmei And only 2 licensors bigger than that (by licenses amount). So... LONG LIVE TORRENTS :D |
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thelastbender said: DVD rental is perfectly legal, since money goes to the anime company when the rental operation buys them. And IIRC, stores pay several times retail price for the rights to rent DVDs.Huh, you people talk only about downloading it or buying. What about borrowing? From some DVD rental. Borrowing from friends who own legitimate copies is fine too, since somebody made a purchase before you're able to watch a borrowed copy. Plus, that borrowed copy is temporarily unavailable to the original owner while it's lent out, so it's still only 1 copy in circulation. |
| Romanian law: download to your PC, fine. Distributing it, not fine. Torrents? Since they also upload while downloading, they could be considered as distributing. The catch? Cops don't give a crap, and we have no net police. Result: download till the cable melts, just don't see the DVDs. |
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Xjellocross said: It's not. No excuse will help you. We do it anyway. although it's illegal to download... we can watch it stream... and that's totally legal... |
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| I just watch my anime on sites, I never download. xD |
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SwordWielder said: Xjellocross said: It's not. No excuse will help you. We do it anyway. although it's illegal to download... we can watch it stream... and that's totally legal... No, if you stream from random anime sites (so not official sites like funimation, crunchyroll ect.) it's totally illegal, because streaming is essentially the same thing as downloading. Everything you stream is downloaded and temporarily storaged in the cache of your computer. This is why when you re-watch a video on youtube the bar is already all red, because you already have it on your hard disk and you don't have to download it again. And yes if an ISP was going to check your internet traffic, it would track down your anime "streaming" as easily as the one downloading anime. |
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