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Oct 19, 6:19 AM
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I don't know why the arc censored his name, but i guess it's for something important in the future... i guess, at least
Oct 19, 6:31 AM
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Finally a more serous take on the stake of the war, this episode is pretty nice
Oct 19, 7:35 AM

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what a good episode
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Oct 19, 8:46 AM

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Let's all not forget that there are children right now suffering from the same events we watched in the episode, but this time, it becomes their real life.
So please, raise up your voices & do what you can to help them.
Oct 19, 9:03 AM
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I knew that was Nanami’s VA recruiting Loid - how can you not :P

Also, Spy x Family took the gloves off for this particular arc. Now think about the context of everything he’s been through, juxtaposed with how being with both of his girls (and they are his) make him feel now.

Be prepared for Spy x Family to be a little more, what’s the word - intense - this season. :)
Oct 19, 9:09 AM
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Despite the sad experiences in his past, Loid chooses to be a spy to protect both sides instead of becoming a terrible person that is awesome
Oct 19, 9:21 AM

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Why Trump and US appeared while watch this Episode?

Franky's words remind me Paul Valery quotes about wars

"War is the massacre of people who don't know each other for the profit of people who know each other but don't massacre each other"
Oct 19, 10:13 AM
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I'm sorry, Father.
Oct 19, 10:33 AM
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director: "hey guys lets put the wholesomeness on hold and show how meaningless war is"
Oct 19, 10:42 AM
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It’s so interesting seeing Loid like this before he truly becomes the master spy in control of all his emotions at all times, between him being angry with Franky the first time they met and him crying when reuniting with his friends.

Oct 19, 10:50 AM

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Great episode! We finally see what motivatred Loid to become a spy, it's really sad what he had to endure and all he lost, but in all that suffering he finally found a family he can call his own, even if he doesn't realise it yet.

Also, I'm very suspicious of Loid's dad. I don't know why but I can really picture him as an Ostanian Spy, like it was very convinient that after he left his family for a "work trip", Loid's home town got bombarded and he is no longer seen. This is just a theory but it would really make one hell of a plot twist if Loid's dad is actually someone pretty high up in the Ostanian goverment.

I hope by the end of the series we know Loid's real name.
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Oct 19, 11:50 AM

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I've been following the anime adaptation of Spy x Family since its beginning, and I've slowly sorta been falling out of love with it despite its INCREDIBLE production quality (which has held up!). But, wow... I was not expecting to be hit so hard today. This episode left a pretty big emotional impression on me. I thought Loid's backstory was strangely placed last week, but the story tied itself up very neatly, in my opinion. Sticking this late flashback into the story via unconscious dream worked well enough. And what a flashback that was. I was curious about Loid, but I was also expecting the story to continue glossing over his past and ignoring character development. Glad to be wrong.
Oct 19, 2:03 PM
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finally some real progress of the narrative
Oct 19, 3:40 PM
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That's a 10/10 coincidence. After episode one I was actually wondering what Lloyd's real name was and one episode later and the one after it they start censoring it

I thought I just missed it but it seems it actually is a secret

This guy actually has the biggest plot armor ever tho. Constantly running into bomb/air raid zones and he's constantly surviving. We shounen now. Not going to lie I did not expect Franky to be his saviour. If Lloyd didn't meet Franky he would probably be dead himself or mentally destroyed. Well at least the author knew how to make the viewers or readers suddenly respect a normally goofy character.


I do feel the way he got approached was weak writing tho. I mean sure he falsified his ID but that's really not enough for a secret organization to actually notice you. Im sure others did as well

I mean outside that 1 thing they have absolutely zero reason to approach him.
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Oct 19, 4:09 PM
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Man, there was some serious and mature shit in this episode, again something I wouldn't expect from a manga serialized on the Shonen Jump. Now we know how *********, or twilight from that moment on was recruited to the position he has now, ah yeah and how he meet franky (which I kind want to know how did he got in intel too).
@el_morris I mean comedies are usually the best at portraying dark stuff. I mean have you watched the char backstories of sket dance. normally a show with humor that either makes you cringe or you love it but then they have the very rare background episode that's darker than most actual ''serious'' shows
Oct 19, 4:10 PM
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Anybody else feel like they did not at all give enough time to this arc? Only one and a half episodes? Really? This is such good, healthy, actually meaningful material for Spy Family, and it’s already over? There is so much that got speed-runned over!

I thought the episode was going so strong until the meeting with Loid’s old friends. They literally reveal that they are still alive only to kill them off AGAIN literally two minutes later. This plot decision is fine on paper, and it does a good job of signaling a shift for Loid as a character, but why did Endo decide not to actually show the campaign? In order for us to feel Loid’s disillusionment and grief from the war we need TIME. A soldier doesn’t decide to throw away the apparent cause of a war overnight. There are whole movies that are just about this kind of awakening (All Quiet On the Western Front is one example). Hate is not unraveled that quickly! It’s a process! A journey! A transformation!

This critique also extends to the end in which Loid wakes up in his apartment. Again, on paper this is exactly the right ending. Using this war arc to recontexualize why Loid is doing what he is doing is brilliant, but it has come way, way too soon. The fact that we don’t even get any information about his first efforts as a spy is unbelievable to me. And that whole seen in which Loid commits to being a spy and sees children passing by him at the end was so weak to me. It’s not a bad scene on its own, but to transition out of hate and then all the way into this renewed sense of purpose does not happen this quickly.

Ultimately, I really don’t understand why the story isn’t being told to its fullest extent. What do we have to lose here? Is it because Endo is afraid too much of a war arc is too big a risk? This arc was finally pushing spy family into new, meaningful territory. After the Code White movie, a film that contributed literally nothing to the overall story, and a second season with only one major meaningful arc (the yacht arc with Yor) we needed something like this war arc. To throw this away this early is devastating for this season, and for the story overall. If Spy Family is to continue for multiple more seasons (which I assume is the plan) then real risks need to be taken. With this arc Endo has shown he is capable of taking real risks, but why won’t he commit to it? Why won’t he challenge the audience to reconsider what Spy Family is? And why won’t he dive deep enough into his characters? While I remain optimistic for Spy Family’s overall direction, I feel that they really messed this arc up. I hope that in the future Spy Family will reach a form that is truer to its overall potential.
@manofspiders133 We need more anya for the memers/loliotaku.

Even tho the episode with the adults are many times better
Oct 19, 5:51 PM

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I already read the manga, but manning seeing Loids war zone last animated got my heartstrings all strung out 😭 the family dinner ending was so adorable. my babies 🥺😭🥰🥰🥰🥰
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Oct 19, 7:06 PM
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Blehhh...not what I come to this show for.
Oct 19, 8:22 PM
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Glad we’re getting Loid’s backstory. Wish they would’ve gone into a bit more depth regarding his military career and what specifically caused him to change his mentality besides just meeting Franky. But overall still very good.
Oct 20, 12:12 AM
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epic episode. when is anya getting a new sibling?
Oct 20, 2:16 AM

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This is probably one of my favorite episodes in the series so far, it just felt so much more real and sentimental than the others.
Oct 20, 9:28 AM
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Getting some backstory on Franky and his and Loid's first encounter was really nice. That's the sort of fleshing-out of characters where this show can really shine sometimes. I never thought much of Franky Franklin in previous seasons (even with his great seiyuu and all) but maybe this season will finally be his time to shine between those shenanigans with Fiona and how meaningful to Loid's past he turned out to be.
Oct 20, 12:14 PM

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That was well done episode. But I enjoyed the last few minutes way more than the rest of it, because I watch this show for the whole family. So I'm glad we'll return to that in the next one.
Oct 20, 12:42 PM

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another tenner, hope we'd get to see more of loid's backstory in this season
Oct 20, 1:30 PM
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“Take good care of your friends” 🥲 this episode hit right in the feels, seeing Loid’s backstory and knowing all he’s been thru and yet he’s still able to smile and be a great adoptive father to Anya is remarkable. This was hard to watch, but at the same time it made me proud of him and optimistic for what lies ahead.

Loid’s dad may have been cruel, but he was right about one thing. War isn’t a game. It’s horrible and not something to be idolized and Loid unfortunately learned that the hard way. Becoming an orphan, losing his hometown, losing his friends. Everything he held dear was stolen away from him so cruelly. The look on his face when that first bomb went off is haunting because in an instant, his entire worldview got turned upside down and the innocence he was able to live with before, was erased. As if that were not bad enough, he then loses his mom who was all he had left and had to be an orphan. No wonder he’d want to enlist early and lie about his age. Very real thing btw, my grandad did that to join the army after Pearl Harbor.

This episode made me appreciate Frankie even more, I didn’t think it’d be him of all people to help restore Loid’s humanity. I think this whole arc is a perfect example of how easy it is to do horrible things to other humans when you dehumanize them. Sadly we see that happening all around the world right now. Calling your political rivals “enemies of the people” or blaming marginalized(LGBT, immigrants etc) groups for your problems. It becomes easy to do cruel things to them when you don’t see them as human. History is a cycle.

The way Loid reverted back to a little kid when he found out his friends had survived.. and then that elation was quickly dashed when they got killed in the Roberts campaign.. just pain man. I imagine at that point, everything just starts feeling numb and you lose your motivation to live. The intelligence department found him at the perfect time really. They didn’t say it, but it’s obvious Loid’s doing all of this to prevent kids from going thru what he did and so seeing Anya happy is all the motivation he needs to keep going. That headpat she gave him at the end was sooo sweet too. Beautiful episode
@Marinate1016 Kids did it quite commonly during WWII after Pearl Harbor. They suddenly became 18 a year or two early. War fever & some lingering effects of the Great Depression made a lot of them bold or desperate enough to try it. Worked out for most of them, too.
Oct 20, 1:32 PM

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@Marinate1016 Kids did it quite commonly during WWII after Pearl Harbor. They suddenly became 18 a year or two early. War fever & some lingering effects of the Great Depression made a lot of them bold or desperate enough to try it. Worked out for most of them, too.

I mean, the Japanese cowardly attacking the United States, a peaceful nation was also a massive reason for that. A lot of people just wanted to defend their country.
Oct 20, 3:55 PM

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Wow. Was not expecting this show to get this good. Would have loved more serious storytelling last season.

I guess for people who only watch this for SoL this is too dark?
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It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
or how I would describe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica.
Oct 20, 5:26 PM
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Thank you spy x family, a comedy show, for making me cry with Tasogare's memories
Oct 21, 12:10 AM

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There are so many names with only 4 letters, but I choose to call him John.

John Spy
Sorry if my english is bad (っ˘▽˘)っ~~~
Btw, cry about it.

Oct 21, 11:53 AM
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vert epic episode :o
Oct 21, 2:28 PM
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is the wise recruiter the same guy that pass information for the assassins on the cruise ship from the season 2? its not the same VA but he looks very similar, with the droopy eyes and the thin mustache
Oct 21, 4:04 PM

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These were a good set of two episodes. Big tone shift for typical Spy Family but it was certainly welcome. The way they just started indiscriminately bombing civilian areas of Westalis was pretty fucked up

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Now that was a lot of fun. I love how it used the politics of this world to really show us what drives Twilight as a character as dud is very patriotic for his country. Also from what we have learned of the war this seems like the classic of two bad governments having a slap fight and just using their armies to settle who is stronger than actually knowing how to hash things out.
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Oct 22, 1:28 AM

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Normally I'm complaining about flashbacks, but this definitely had me craving more (At least 1 more episode of they could)
Respectfully ofc

Oct 22, 9:56 AM
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Absolute banger writing!! One of the best episodes they ever dropped!
Oct 22, 4:43 PM

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I like how Westali's standard rifle is the FN FAL...

So Franky was an Ostanian soldier who deserted, that's actually cool, but I wonder how and why he still lives in Ostania now...
@MadanielFL What intrigued me more was that despite the idea that it was the Eastern soldiers who attacked, it was the Western uniforms that suspiciously resembled those of the Third Reich, while the Eastern uniforms could easily be called Soviet or American.

@Epiroogu It's actually complicated, so I wouldn't try to analyze it too deeply.

@MasterHavik This episode is literally about Twilight ignoring questions of patriotism, as they are used to create antagonism between the populations of two neighboring countries. He fights to save children from experiencing the same thing he did.

@Sheol01 Children have done this in every war, if we're talking about it. Some for personal reasons, others out of pure patriotism. Especially in the early days of conflicts, when many people were hyper-motivated and hadn't yet fully grasped what war was. All Quiet on the Western Front Remarque shows quite well how this works and how officials exploited it.

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Funny how we got to witness Loid's entire backstory while he passed out from Anya getting a Tonitrus Bolt🤣
Oct 22, 9:22 PM

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@MadanielFL What intrigued me more was that despite the idea that it was the Eastern soldiers who attacked, it was the Western uniforms that suspiciously resembled those of the Third Reich, while the Eastern uniforms could easily be called Soviet or American.

@Epiroogu It's actually complicated, so I wouldn't try to analyze it too deeply.

@MasterHavik This episode is literally about Twilight ignoring questions of patriotism, as they are used to create antagonism between the populations of two neighboring countries. He fights to save children from experiencing the same thing he did.

@Sheol01 Children have done this in every war, if we're talking about it. Some for personal reasons, others out of pure patriotism. Especially in the early days of conflicts, when many people were hyper-motivated and hadn't yet fully grasped what war was. All Quiet on the Western Front Remarque shows quite well how this works and how officials exploited it.

Mod Edit: Please don't start a political discussion here, this is a thread about this episode and nothing else.
@RobertBobert Nah man. He loves his country. He wouldn't use a fake name to enlist early if he didn't. He wouldn't be working a much dangerous job if he didn't. He can do two things at once my man. Like what he does to try and make sure another war doesn't break out is in the interest of his country. He loves his country and that's patriotism. Him saying what he said to the scout was him just trying to put on a show because the guy was legit and knew who he was really. So him saying, "Nah man I don't care about that stuff," is him just trying to be cool.
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@RobertBobert Nah man. He loves his country. He wouldn't use a fake name to enlist early if he didn't. He wouldn't be working a much dangerous job if he didn't. He can do two things at once my man. Like what he does to try and make sure another war doesn't break out is in the interest of his country. He loves his country and that's patriotism. Him saying what he said to the scout was him just trying to put on a show because the guy was legit and knew who he was really. So him saying, "Nah man I don't care about that stuff," is him just trying to be cool.
@MasterHavik Again, you're confusing the context. He objectively loves his country, but his fight is built on protecting children first and foremost. And his words about the lack of a goal in the fight were precisely about that. The entire episode was literally about how blind patriotism leads to intolerance and antagonism.
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Finally a really impactful episode. It's very interesting to know more about Loid's story.

Also I wondered, is the man who hired Loid the biological father of Anya ? There's some hints that make me think this.

But beside, now the anime can became no-hype again starting now.
Oct 23, 7:51 AM

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I don't know why the arc censored his name, but i guess it's for something important in the future... i guess, at least
@Hebi_op I suppose it'll be a major reveal at the very end when forgers reveal their true identities to each other and stop living in lies. At least that's how I imagine it.
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So him saying, "Nah man I don't care about that stuff," is him just trying to be cool.
I don't think Loid joined war or became a spy because he "loves his country" per se. I think it was clear he became a soldier because he wanted revenge on enemy. He then became a spy because - kids.

Loid doesn't want innocent kids to experience what he experienced, simple as that. It doesn't matter if they're Westalis or Ostanian kids. Therefor it's in a way wrong to say he does all the spying and killing because he "loves his country". He cares about Ostanians too, Anya included.

You can't always 100% be sure your country is on the good side in wars, therefor it makes sense to "simply" stop wars from happening and that's what Loid decided to do. "Being patriotic" usually means you blindly follow orders since you don't question actions of your own government and justify senseless killings and destruction.
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surprise tsuda ken cameo
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@MasterHavik Again, you're confusing the context. He objectively loves his country, but his fight is built on protecting children first and foremost. And his words about the lack of a goal in the fight were precisely about that. The entire episode was literally about how blind patriotism leads to intolerance and antagonism.
@RobertBobert I'm not confusing the context though. Also if that was the main message he wouldn't be a spy right now and be looking to get away from the whole thing. What I got from his talk with Franky is that the situation between the two countries is more complex than he initially thought. You gotta also realize one major aspect of Twlight's character is to always put on a show so you don't know his true intentions. I don't think this is blind patriotism but trying to do right for the country you love. At the end of the day to think he isn't patriotic at all is silly. That is what I was arguing.
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MasterHavik said:
So him saying, "Nah man I don't care about that stuff," is him just trying to be cool.
I don't think Loid joined war or became a spy because he "loves his country" per se. I think it was clear he became a soldier because he wanted revenge on enemy. He then became a spy because - kids.

Loid doesn't want innocent kids to experience what he experienced, simple as that. It doesn't matter if they're Westalis or Ostanian kids. Therefor it's in a way wrong to say he does all the spying and killing because he "loves his country". He cares about Ostanians too, Anya included.

You can't always 100% be sure your country is on the good side in wars, therefor it makes sense to "simply" stop wars from happening and that's what Loid decided to do. "Being patriotic" usually means you blindly follow orders since you don't question actions of your own government and justify senseless killings and destruction.
@Sigmar-Unberogen I do agree you can't always be 100% sure your country is on the good side but I disagree he isn't patriotic as it is because the shit he pulled only someone who loves their country would as there were young American men lying about their ages during the Civil War so they could fight for the cause they believed in. We know Loid cares about the other side but he also loves his county as he wouldn't be doing this job and would take on a role of more of a politician trying to bridge the gap between the two if he wanted more of a major impact. Though you can see him showing love for his country but also not wanting the fighting to keep going. It's impossible to say he doesn't love his country as he is putting a lot at risk to do this job as a spy.
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@RobertBobert I'm not confusing the context though. Also if that was the main message he wouldn't be a spy right now and be looking to get away from the whole thing. What I got from his talk with Franky is that the situation between the two countries is more complex than he initially thought. You gotta also realize one major aspect of Twlight's character is to always put on a show so you don't know his true intentions. I don't think this is blind patriotism but trying to do right for the country you love. At the end of the day to think he isn't patriotic at all is silly. That is what I was arguing.
@MasterHavik I'm saying you're confusing the context because the title literally tells you that politics is used by states to manipulate people, while ignoring timeless themes like the importance of family, the innocence of children, and so on. This doesn't mean Twlight doesn't love his country or people. But the idea that he fights for state or ethnic ideals would be a complete misunderstanding of the core message of both the story and this arc in particular. Your interpretation would also imply that Franky is a literal traitor and collaborator, since in that case he is helping Loid not out of a desire to prevent war and the suffering of innocent people in both countries, but a spy and patriot of another country. Even the guy with whom we argued over "real politics" understood that SxF is not about patriotism per se, but about humanism in general.
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@Sigmar-Unberogen I do agree you can't always be 100% sure your country is on the good side but I disagree he isn't patriotic as it is because the shit he pulled only someone who loves their country would as there were young American men lying about their ages during the Civil War so they could fight for the cause they believed in. We know Loid cares about the other side but he also loves his county as he wouldn't be doing this job and would take on a role of more of a politician trying to bridge the gap between the two if he wanted more of a major impact. Though you can see him showing love for his country but also not wanting the fighting to keep going. It's impossible to say he doesn't love his country as he is putting a lot at risk to do this job as a spy.
@MasterHavik I mean it's fine if you interpret it like that. The way I saw it, he wasn't necessarily a patriot, but an avenger. Agree, there are tons of instances when people go to wars because they simply love their country that much. I just didn't see that in Loid's flashbacks. All I saw was a kid who wanted to make the enemy pay for family, friends and hometown. The way I see it, Loid's motivation changed and is now above simple patriotism and loving his country (something that is a double edge sword). I mean, he doesn't want kids of any nationality to experience horrors of war. Loid's doing what he's doing to ensure peace between both nations. He wants peace for Ostania too. Does that mean he's an Ostanian patriot? No, he simply fights for the the people. That's my take.



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Loid's past is really sad. I was so annoyed at their censoring his original name. I was so sure we were going to hear it!!! I really liked the episode showing his past through a dream, especially because it carried on from him passing out from Anya's bolt.
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Jesus Christ, that was... dark. Fuck war.
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@MadanielFL What intrigued me more was that despite the idea that it was the Eastern soldiers who attacked, it was the Western uniforms that suspiciously resembled those of the Third Reich, while the Eastern uniforms could easily be called Soviet or American.

@Epiroogu It's actually complicated, so I wouldn't try to analyze it too deeply.

@MasterHavik This episode is literally about Twilight ignoring questions of patriotism, as they are used to create antagonism between the populations of two neighboring countries. He fights to save children from experiencing the same thing he did.

@Sheol01 Children have done this in every war, if we're talking about it. Some for personal reasons, others out of pure patriotism. Especially in the early days of conflicts, when many people were hyper-motivated and hadn't yet fully grasped what war was. All Quiet on the Western Front Remarque shows quite well how this works and how officials exploited it.

Mod Edit: Please don't start a political discussion here, this is a thread about this episode and nothing else.
@RobertBobert Hi, thank you for tagging me, I believe you might have heen mistaken and wanted to tag someone else? Just asking, because the comment is does not appear relevant to my post. :D Otherwise sorry to bother!
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