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Aug 31, 4:44 PM
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Texas Senate Bill 20, also known as the Texas Anime Ban, will be going into effect tomorrow, September 1. The bill will ban almost every anime and manga, from battle shonen such as Naruto and Bleach, to BL and GL, to anything with LGBT characters, to GB such as Onimai and Ranma, and to all ecchi and hentai. Bills similar to this may be coming in other states in the future. Any state could be next.

What do you recommend that anime fans in Texas and similar places do in response to these bans?

I would recommend every anime fan in Texas get a VPN to start.
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Excuse my lack of knowledge in American politics, but why does this guy want to do that?
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australia and some other shitholes did the same thing, sometimes I wonder whether it's virtue signalling or if these people are so insane they believe a drawing on paper is actually a child being victimized

you should always be using a VPN anyway
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On the bright side, I doubt they will enforce it for anything fictional, but I could be wrong. You never really know in current year. I heard someonein europe got arrested for lewd art of anime girls.
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On the bright side, I doubt they will enforce it for anything fictional, but I could be wrong. You never really know in current year. I heard someonein europe got arrested for lewd art of anime girls.
@rohan121 They will definitely enforce it for fictional stuff. The language in the bill was left intentionally vague so they could arrest as many people as possible, including for fictional content.
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Just because the wording in legislation could be extended to something, doesn't mean that it will be enforced to such an extent. It's still concerning that this was written in such a way, but until we see something actually happen, I'd stop short of telling every anime fan to leave the state of Texas.
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On the bright side, I doubt they will enforce it for anything fictional, but I could be wrong. You never really know in current year. I heard someonein europe got arrested for lewd art of anime girls.
@rohan121 The police don't have to enforce it themselves. Companies, businessmen, people in power, etc will enforce it all on their own.
https://x.com/jastusa/status/1961855148655042739
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@ComeInReiAsuka It is indeed Christian nationalist politicians that are pushing this ban in another attempt to force their religion on everyone. Many culture warrior tourists like Rev Says Desu and his wife Strawb are supporting this Texas Anime Ban, and using their religion and political affiliation as justification for it. And yes, they are Christians.


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Just another reason to never go to Texas if indeed true. Not that I needed another reason. Next time there's talk about the state wanting to secede, I say let them go. They can take the sweaty floppy wiener that is Florida with them. The country gets to keep Disney World in the divorce though.
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The bill is HIGHLY concerning, but to my knowledge it is not a ban? Let's wait to see if something ever gets brought to court. If so, we do have older cases that SHOULD rule in favor of someone being caught with something one could interpret as ban worthy that they should be fine.
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ForgotEyeWasHere said:
It is indeed Christian nationalist politicians that are pushing this ban in another attempt to force their religion on everyone. Many culture warrior tourists like Rev Says Desu and his wife Strawb are supporting this Texas Anime Ban, and using their religion and political affiliation as justification for it. And yes, they are Christians.

But when I looked at the vid saying he supported it he did not think it could be applied to anime saying he thinks it is just for AI generated images that use data of actual minors because it extends on another law. This is questionable though because the phrasing does say drawings not simply digital renderings so it depends how the law is interpreted.
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This is misinformation. Anime is not being banned in Texas. The law is aimed at real depictions of children, not fictional works. The law is written vaguely enough that some theorize that it could potentially be used to target anime but there is no indication or reason to believe that it will be.
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ForgotEyeWasHere said:
It is indeed Christian nationalist politicians that are pushing this ban in another attempt to force their religion on everyone. Many culture warrior tourists like Rev Says Desu and his wife Strawb are supporting this Texas Anime Ban, and using their religion and political affiliation as justification for it. And yes, they are Christians.

But when I looked at the vid saying he supported it he did not think it could be applied to anime saying he thinks it is just for AI generated images that use data of actual minors because it extends on another law. This is questionable though because the phrasing does say drawings not simply digital renderings so it depends how the law is interpreted.
@traed The way it is worded, it absolutely could be applied to anime. Rev Says Desu defended this law because his party is in office, and they're the ones who made this law. This bill will definitely ban anime, and Rev is supportive of it. He intentionally left out several details regarding this. So yes, Rev not only downplayed the Texas Anime Ban, but also praised and defended it.

Rev Says Desu has proven himself to be a grifter and a culture warrior tourist who only opposes censorship when it's convenient for his political side. His channel doesn't even talk about anime anymore, just politics. Most of his recent videos are just him complaining about Hasan Piker.
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Just another reason to never go to Texas if indeed true. Not that I needed another reason. Next time there's talk about the state wanting to secede, I say let them go. They can take the sweaty floppy wiener that is Florida with them. The country gets to keep Disney World in the divorce though.
@FanofAction This is ironic considering a huge portion of licensed anime is done IN Texas.
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I'm pretty sure the bill doesn't actually 'ban' those anime but just provides a very vague framework under which those anime could potentially be banned.
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@FanofAction This is ironic considering a huge portion of licensed anime is done IN Texas.
@the1gairon Not anymore if there actually is some sort of ban.
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Futile ban, it doesn't seem sufficiently enforceable, I would simply ignore it if I lived there.
Sep 1, 5:50 AM
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voters wanted right wing leaders so they got it now

im not sure left wing leaders will ban things this bad
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deg said:
im not sure left wing leaders will ban things this bad


Horseshoe theory says extremists on either side end up meeting, doing the same insane things for different reasons.

I wish there was a strong moderate/center political party. That would probably be the least insane one. But they'd have to ban all religions, sects and political interest groups (like some NGOs), since those are the breeding grounds/echo chambers that create these insane people and I don't know how to prevent them from creating insane people without outright banning them. If you let the insane people run around they will eventually infiltrate and warp your cool moderate/center party.


Also less government would be good. It's not like government has accomplished anything positive this century. On the other hand, they did a bunch of really stupid stuff. Having less of them makes it so they can do less harm.

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deg said:
im not sure left wing leaders will ban things this bad


Horseshoe theory says extremists on either side end up meeting, doing the same insane things for different reasons.

I wish there was a strong moderate/center political party. That would probably be the least insane one. But they'd have to ban all religions, sects and political interest groups (like some NGOs), since those are the breeding grounds/echo chambers that create these insane people and I don't know how to prevent them from creating insane people without outright banning them. If you let the insane people run around they will eventually infiltrate and warp your cool moderate/center party.


Also less government would be good. It's not like government has accomplished anything positive this century. On the other hand, they did a bunch of really stupid stuff. Having less of them makes it so they can do less harm.

@TransferUser political scientists consensus says horseshoe theory is false and that they believe in fishhook theory instead when it comes to oversimplication of politacal spectrum

not sure a small government is good when megacorporations are becoming more and more powerful as well as dictators with world domination goals are still a big problem globally
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@TransferUser political scientists consensus says horseshoe theory is false and that they believe in fishhook theory instead when it comes to oversimplication of politacal spectrum

not sure a small government is good when megacorporations are becoming more and more powerful as well as dictators with world domination goals are still a big problem globally
@deg It's not like big government does anything about megacorporations and dictators. In fact, it kinda helps them...


https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=fishhook%20theory&title=Special%3ASearch
"victory over the powers which hold mankind in bondage: sin, death, and the devil."[4] According to Pugh, "Ever since [Aulén's] time, we call these patristic ideas the Christus Victor way of seeing the cross."[5] It is sometimes known as the fishhook theory
I don't get it.

But horseshoe theory has held up well over the years.
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Thank you Governor Hot Wheels for making sure that there are no longer 2 types of weeaboo from Texas. 0\
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Texas Senate Bill 20 (S.B. 20), also known as the "Stopping AI-Generated Child Pornography Act"

This is the first time I'm looking into this, and the name of the bill itself already indicates that this law is not really about anime. Calling it an "anime ban" makes even less sense to me.

Vague wording is a common problem in all kinds of laws. I think it's a little premature to assume that this is going to be applied and actually enforced to "ban anime"...

But any excuse to start screaming we're being persecuted and pick up the pitchforks, I guess.
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Texas Senate Bill 20 (S.B. 20), also known as the "Stopping AI-Generated Child Pornography Act"

This is the first time I'm looking into this, and the name of the bill itself already indicates that this law is not really about anime. Calling it an "anime ban" makes even less sense to me.

Vague wording is a common problem in all kinds of laws. I think it's a little premature to assume that this is going to be applied and actually enforced to "ban anime"...

But any excuse to start screaming we're being persecuted and pick up the pitchforks, I guess.
@perseii The Texas bill is going to be used to ban anime. They left it intentionally vague with the wording so they can ban as much stuff as possible, including anime and manga.
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@perseii The Texas bill is going to be used to ban anime. They left it intentionally vague with the wording so they can ban as much stuff as possible, including anime and manga.
@ForgotEyeWasHere And what makes you say that?

Is there some context? Like, have there been politicians/groups who have stated that they are going to use this bill for that purpose? Has there been some criminal case or legal battle in the past that directly motivated this bill?

Or is that an educated guess on your part? Or based on some YouTube commentary?
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@ForgotEyeWasHere And what makes you say that?

Is there some context? Like, have there been politicians/groups who have stated that they are going to use this bill for that purpose? Has there been some criminal case or legal battle in the past that directly motivated this bill?

Or is that an educated guess on your part? Or based on some YouTube commentary?
@perseii I think he's trying to say that anime and manga has a child porn problem.
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Anything but catching actual predators and deviants.
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Come to Europe, where Interspecies Reviewers (2016) was never taken off air. My condolences, Trumpistan.

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The reality is that, and I know MAL doesnt do politics since late 2020s - early 2021's, the reality is that red-states and red-countries are trying to do anything possible to prevent their population from becoming blue

And they see anime/manga as something that can turn people, especially the young ones, into blue liberals.
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If it means getting rid of fanservices in One Piece and anime in general, I am in favor of that. Toei has been going a little wild with that, Oda too. Love One Piece, but the clothing designs of late ain't it as well as the heavy focus on fanservices.

That said, I have no clue the details of this bill contains, but I don't think battle shonen like Naruto or Bleach will be banned, that will cause a huge uproar.
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Isnt this just and overreaction made by sensationalist? I bet nothing will happen

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im not sure left wing leaders will ban things this bad


Lol, lmao eve... are we going to pretend all the left wing and progressive bans/censorship never existed a couple of years ago? From shadow banning to "hate speech" censorship.
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Isnt this just and overreaction made by sensationalist? I bet nothing will happen

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im not sure left wing leaders will ban things this bad


Lol, lmao eve... are we going to pretend all the left wing and progressive bans/censorship never existed a couple of years ago? From shadow banning to "hate speech" censorship.
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Lol, lmao eve... are we going to pretend all the left wing and progressive bans/censorship never existed a couple of years ago? From shadow banning to "hate speech" censorship.

You're forgetting that it's considered a good thing when they do it. Also, the Supreme Court ruled last year that censorship is OK when it's done secretly. The Texas bill was passed through official channels, however, so it is bound to be held to the utmost constitutional standards. Which prohibit government censorship, contrary to what many in this thread believe.
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So I am from texas and as far as right now goes I can still get on Crunchyroll and watch anime.
I will be getting a vpn. as far as what to do? Just wait it out, still have him in office for the next 3 years.
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If anyone wants to read the bill, here's the link. https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB20/id/3171915

From what I've read of the bill, if there's any fictional character that resembles a child in any way, if you watch/ distribut said content, you can be charged with a class 3 felony. How nice of Texas to protect fictional character over actual abuse victims. Disregarding the fact, that this is a blatant 1st amendment violation. Can't wait for the shit show that'll be the lawsuit that'll follow in the next few years.
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Isnt this just and overreaction made by sensationalist? I bet nothing will happen

deg said:
im not sure left wing leaders will ban things this bad


Lol, lmao eve... are we going to pretend all the left wing and progressive bans/censorship never existed a couple of years ago? From shadow banning to "hate speech" censorship.
@KenaiPhoenix i will choose the lesser evil and thats banning hate speech than actively promoting it like the far right does, hate speech incites violence, besides europe has hate speech laws for decades now anyway long before the making of the internet
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I swear to fucking God, Texas is focusing on the wrong issues. But I shouldn't be surprised, it's Texas after all. The same state that wants to break away from our country.
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@ForgotEyeWasHere And what makes you say that?

Is there some context? Like, have there been politicians/groups who have stated that they are going to use this bill for that purpose? Has there been some criminal case or legal battle in the past that directly motivated this bill?

Or is that an educated guess on your part? Or based on some YouTube commentary?
@perseii The language in the bill discusses fictional content, not real content. Fictional content includes anime and manga. That is what will be targeted. This has happened before. In fact, a group has already been kicked out of a Texas anime convention (San Japan) due to the bill.
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I believe this might be revoked considering that when usually people in masses dislike sth politically then this will pressure politicians and will remove this bill.
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ForgotEyeWasHere said:
What do you recommend that anime fans in Texas and similar places do in response to these bans?

I would recommend every anime fan in Texas get a VPN to start.


Is this not already standard procedure for the US? Don't imagine much changes practically, but boomers drafting draconic policies are never appreciated.
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I just realized, that fundamental difference between conservative and liberal censorship is that conservatives have the wrong misconception, that they are protecting someone, while liberals just remove and destroy everything people they hate enjoy and lie, that they are trying to protect someone as an excuse.
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I just realized, that fundamental difference between conservative and liberal censorship is that conservatives have the wrong misconception, that they are protecting someone, while liberals just remove and destroy everything people they hate enjoy and lie, that they are trying to protect someone as an excuse.
@Piromysl I think conservatives do it to "protect modesty" whereas progressives do it to "fight objectification"
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ForgotEyeWasHere said:
What do you recommend that anime fans in Texas and similar places do in response to these bans?

I would recommend every anime fan in Texas get a VPN to start.


Is this not already standard procedure for the US? Don't imagine much changes practically, but boomers drafting draconic policies are never appreciated.
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I can assure you that VPNs are not standard procedure, if that's what you're asking.
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I will highlight in red the sections that are completely arbitrary, based on personal feelings and not subject to any consistent standardization and bold sections that apply to anime and manga and games specifically. This is slimy politics and makes for serious high level offenses and violates the constitution.

First for the new part

Sec. 43.235. POSSESSION OR PROMOTION OF OBSCENE VISUAL
MATERIAL APPEARING TO DEPICT CHILD. (a) In this section:
(1) "Promote" has the meaning assigned by Section
43.25.
(2) "Visual material" has the meaning assigned by
Section 43.26.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly
possesses, accesses with intent to view, or promotes obscene visual
material
containing a depiction that appears to be of a child
younger than 18 years of age
engaging in activities described by
Section 43.21(a)(1)(B)
, regardless of whether the depiction is an
image of an actual child, a cartoon or animation, or an image
created using an artificial intelligence application or other
computer software.
(Note how it uses the word "appears". This means it is up to opinion regardless of a character's actual stated age or intended age depiction. This means they can and will throw people in prison for anything they want so the law will be easily used to make political prisoners)
(c) An offense under this section is a state jail felony,
except that the offense is:
(1) a felony of the third degree if it is shown on the
trial of the offense that the person has been previously convicted
one time of an offense under this section or Section 43.23, 43.26,
43.261, or 43.262; or
(2) a felony of the second degree if it is shown on the
trial of the offense that the person has been previously convicted
two or more times of an offense under this section, Section 43.23,
43.26, 43.261, or 43.262, or any combination of those offenses.
(d) If conduct constituting an offense under this section
also constitutes an offense under another law, the actor may be
prosecuted under this section or the other law, but not both.

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/89R/billtext/html/SB00020S.htm

Now the part it references

SUBCHAPTER B. OBSCENITY

Sec. 43.21. DEFINITIONS. (a) In this subchapter:
(1) "Obscene" means material or a performance that:
(A) the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest in sex; (Note there is no required proof of this even being true it is at the discretion of police and judges personal opinions)
(B) depicts or describes:
(i) patently offensive representations or descriptions of ultimate sexual acts, normal or perverted, actual or simulated, including sexual intercourse, sodomy, and sexual bestiality; or
(ii) patently offensive representations or descriptions
of masturbation, excretory functions, sadism, masochism, lewd exhibition of the genitals, the male or female genitals in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal, covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state or a device designed and marketed as useful primarily for stimulation of the human genital organs; and (Note there no requirement for this to occur on screen just merely be referenced)
(C) taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, and scientific value. (Note who even decides what has and has not artistic or literary merit? You guessed it police and judges)
(2) "Material" means anything tangible that is capable of being used or adapted to arouse interest, whether through the medium of reading, observation, sound, or in any other manner, but does not include an actual three dimensional obscene device.
(3) "Performance" means a play, motion picture, dance, or other exhibition performed before an audience.
(4) "Patently offensive" means so offensive on its face as to affront current community standards of decency.
(5) "Promote" means to manufacture, issue, sell, give, provide, lend, mail, deliver, transfer, transmit, publish, distribute, circulate, disseminate, present, exhibit, or advertise, or to offer or agree to do the same.
(6) "Wholesale promote" means to manufacture, issue, sell, provide, mail, deliver, transfer, transmit, publish, distribute, circulate, disseminate, or to offer or agree to do the same for purpose of resale.

(7) "Obscene device" means a device including a dildo or artificial vagina, designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs. (note:this was used in a section banning sex toys the supreme court ruled unconstitutional after some lawsuits)
(b) If any of the depictions or descriptions of sexual conduct described in this section are declared by a court of competent jurisdiction to be unlawfully included herein, this declaration shall not invalidate this section as to other patently offensive sexual conduct included herein.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1975, 64th Leg., p. 372, ch. 163, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1975; Acts 1979, 66th Leg., p. 1974, ch. 778, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1979; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.


Sec. 43.22. OBSCENE DISPLAY OR DISTRIBUTION. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly displays or distributes an obscene photograph, drawing, or similar visual representation or other obscene material and is reckless about whether a person is present who will be offended or alarmed by the display or distribution.
(b) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/pe/htm/pe.43.htm
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@arisien
I can assure you that VPNs are not standard procedure, if that's what you're asking.
Lucifrost said:
@arisien
I can assure you that VPNs are not standard procedure, if that's what you're asking.


Oh I thought your ISPs are very uptight. Also cool sig reference love that vn :D
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deg said:
im not sure left wing leaders will ban things this bad


Horseshoe theory says extremists on either side end up meeting, doing the same insane things for different reasons.

I wish there was a strong moderate/center political party. That would probably be the least insane one. But they'd have to ban all religions, sects and political interest groups (like some NGOs), since those are the breeding grounds/echo chambers that create these insane people and I don't know how to prevent them from creating insane people without outright banning them. If you let the insane people run around they will eventually infiltrate and warp your cool moderate/center party.


Also less government would be good. It's not like government has accomplished anything positive this century. On the other hand, they did a bunch of really stupid stuff. Having less of them makes it so they can do less harm.

@TransferUser You're trying to deflect, and it's hilarious. 😂 Right wingers voted for these politicians. Right wing politicians have always been the party of puritan and America first values. You really think that the party that wants to support America first and views pornography as a sin, wouldn't ban anime?
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The reality is that, and I know MAL doesnt do politics since late 2020s - early 2021's, the reality is that red-states and red-countries are trying to do anything possible to prevent their population from becoming blue

And they see anime/manga as something that can turn people, especially the young ones, into blue liberals.
@oooo3333 I don't even think it's that deep. If you go back, some feared anime taking over American entertainment. A lot of right wingers are America first, and they prioritize their own.
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Isnt this just and overreaction made by sensationalist? I bet nothing will happen

deg said:
im not sure left wing leaders will ban things this bad


Lol, lmao eve... are we going to pretend all the left wing and progressive bans/censorship never existed a couple of years ago? From shadow banning to "hate speech" censorship.
@KenaiPhoenix They didn't ban things.
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Lol, lmao eve... are we going to pretend all the left wing and progressive bans/censorship never existed a couple of years ago? From shadow banning to "hate speech" censorship.

You're forgetting that it's considered a good thing when they do it. Also, the Supreme Court ruled last year that censorship is OK when it's done secretly. The Texas bill was passed through official channels, however, so it is bound to be held to the utmost constitutional standards. Which prohibit government censorship, contrary to what many in this thread believe.
@Lucifrost What have they actually banned?
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