| Lately i've been fascinated with the concept of gatekeeping in fandoms or subculture. I used to think it's a bad thing but now days i don't think so anymore, especially when media are so abundant now and made mostly for profit purposes. There are more anime made per season right now than than there is in history, and no offense a lot of it are recycled junk anyways. Because of that I think having someone in the fandom that's a bit "pretentious" is a good thing no? that way people that's new get exposed to more quality stuff and now kinda the history, what is it about, what value do we hold as a community, etc etc... What do you guys think, do you guys agree or not? let me know, let's have a discussion mal |
| Gatekeeping anime is indeed a good and necessary thing. Many of the tourists who we want to gatekeep are people who have bullied us in the past for liking anime. However, ever since it became "uncool" to bully anime fans, these same bullies are now claiming that they were in the fandom all along. Gatekeepers help to fight these bullies, and keep them out of our fandom. These people still are mean to us, and bully not only anime fans, but also anime creators, demanding that they only make anime for a Western audience, and remove anything that makes them uncomfortable, such as ecchi. So yes, gatekeeping anime is a good thing. The real bullies are the tourists, not the gatekeepers. |
| You can't gatekeep what you don't own. |
| Every community needs a Heimdall to remain stable. |
No, this isn't my signature. |
| rather, it's good to be a hater because there's so much slop that's popular, and most weebs have no idea what they're missing but I think no one is going to read the body of your post and just assume you mean gatekeep as in "keep those puritan normies that call me a gooner out of the fandom grrr" |
| nothing funnier than non-japanese people trying to gatekeep japanese cartoons. so, yes, it is good. provides great entertainment. |
| The ecchi community always gatekeeps by always posting nudity and sex and glorifying female sexualization in anime to drive away the normies. |
Reply to tchitchouan
The ecchi community always gatekeeps by always posting nudity and sex and glorifying female sexualization in anime to drive away the normies.
| @tchitchouan I was like 11 in 2003 when I first bought avolume of Blade of the Immortal. It involved a girl character being violated and tortured and what not. I knew early on anime and manga had "bad things" in it. These modern day softies can't handle shit |
  |
Reply to ComeInReiAsuka
@tchitchouan I was like 11 in 2003 when I first bought avolume of Blade of the Immortal.
It involved a girl character being violated and tortured and what not.
I knew early on anime and manga had "bad things" in it.
These modern day softies can't handle shit
It involved a girl character being violated and tortured and what not.
I knew early on anime and manga had "bad things" in it.
These modern day softies can't handle shit
@ComeInReiAsuka Yes exactly, the covid generation is too sheltered and sanitized, i don't think they can even watch the hyper violent anime of the 80s/90s. |
tchitchouanAug 27, 7:56 AM
| i don't think it's good or bad most people are going to ignore it, however it is cringe and funny to see. |
| Only if it's done to discourage those people who actively want "change" in the styles and tropes of anime, comparing it to other media, etc. It shouldn't be done with a mentality of "It's my hobby and I want to feel 'special' about it, so the less fans the better." Also note that some gatekeepers go way overboard and tag anyone who doesn't agree with one specific opinion of them as "tourist", even if that person isn't wanting any "change", but just stating their opinion, this isn't good. But I do think that the people who always vocally complain about fanservice and other "questionable" tropes in anime should be gatekept. It's ultimately silly however, no matter the cause, because no one has any authority, so the "tourists" can just ignore the gatekeepers, lol. |
SoumyaUkil73Aug 27, 12:29 PM
 |
| @LSSJ_Chloe i'm curious what's gatekeeping meant for you? |
| @LSSJ_Chloe Jimmy Neutron kino! On the actual topic though, the gatekeeping to be useful would have to be done against foreign investors and payment processors which I doubt is easily possible. Financial forces are the ones pushing for the sanitization of the medium. Not some newbiefan who just so happens to claim to dislike fanservice. |
 |
| Gatekeeping in EVERYTHING is good. Hobbies must be protected from normies, unless you want what happened to video games (they are almost all microtransaction diversity slop) then you will gatekeep too. |
| Taiga best girl forever. |
| How exactly do you gatekeep a hobby that is based on pressing play and telling people what you liked in what you liked? You start complaining about some kind of contents like Ecchi in vitriol? You ignore people talking about things you don't want to read? You become vocal about things that you dislike in others? So I'll be polemic: everyone is doing some sort of gatekeeping, even people who are against gatekeeping and feel gatekept. Anime community was always fragmented, but before the multiple people in it were cooperating for various reasons. Fujoshi, Ecchi lovers, Edgy kids, AMV posters, ... . |
   |
| I really don't get this gatekeeping mindset. People that makes anime and manga were always inspired by everything around them including western things. Sure studios and publishers think more about money/quantity than quality but that's always been the case, it just that now there's more clients so it's more obvious and frequent. Sure if they weren't so much western fans the companies wouldn't make more efforts to include them in some ways through official english manga reading sites for example but that's not always bad. Everything has its good and bad sides. But considering that anime and manga fans that complain about fanservice are "fake fans" and that others that complain about "wokeness" are better and realer fan is stupid. I say this because it's the argument I saw the most when gatekeeping was talked about on MAL. Just like if you love the movie Poor Things and you don't like the sex scenes doesn't make your opinion or involvement as a fan any less valuable as someone who loved them, no matter how frequent they were in the film. Imo having fan service or wokeness in an anime doesn't make it fundamentally bad or good, it's about the execution of it. If it's shallow then people can find it bad/annoying/unecessary and it doesn't make your opinion or fan involvement any less pertinent. (ex: Occulitic;Nine fanservice, Lazarus wokeness (except Chris sexuality which wasn't made a big deal and was pretty sublte)) But if it, for example, fits the themes of the anime then I wouldn't really understand the criticisms and think the person complaining about it is of bad faith. (ex: Ishuzoku Reviewers fanservice (I haven't seen it but I wouldn't get people complaining about the fanservice in it), Hikaru ga Shinda Natsu wokeness). Like you could compain about the overall messages or point of the anime, but not these scenes in particular differienciating them from the anime. |
piroriparopiriraAug 27, 9:51 AM
| Nope. Gatekeeping is wrong. Anime is for everyone, not just for some. |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
| I mean Magic is a great example on why Gatekeeping is good. New fans come in since they keep buying the sets that are shit like SpongeBob and Spiderman, they change the fantasy themed card game into some amalgamation of a little fantasy with random IP's thrown in that you can't avoid. The profits started coming from the new fans, and that is what they start to target more and more now. DnD is another example on why Gatekeeping is good. You can apply this same logic to anime where Japan will start targeting the new fans if they start bringing in the majority of the profits (which is getting there). |
Reply to Fukoku
Nope. Gatekeeping is wrong. Anime is for everyone, not just for some.
| @Fukoku you could post this again in the anime wisdom thread |
   |
I did, lol. It was one of my golden four. |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
| I'll repeat what I always say: I defend gatekeeping because it DOESN'T work. |
| Gatekeeping is an immune system of the community. Grifters learned, that the best way to destroy communities they hate is not to smear them from the outside, but infiltrate them, pretend to be "concerned fans" and gaslight developers, that their concerns are valid and common consensus. This is exactly how Collective Shout managed to get what they wanted, btw. You'll allow bad actors and grifters in and it will end up like western comic industry. |
 |
| Gatekeeping is not keeping people out of the anime community. Gatekeeping is keeping you (the gatekeeper) out of the anime community. Nobody gives a shit if you shun "tourists" because you are only sidelining yourself. |
| i think it can be because people want to change it and make it more progressive |
| My waifu is the most wonderful waifu. Mai Valentine. We're freaking out that we're running out of time, but to do what? Should i stop and think of that? Is there something i could do to slow it down? Live in a day for once, instead of watch it sprinting by |
| Gatekeeping is not even possible. How are you supposed to stop someone from finding information about anime or watching anime when it is all freely available online? And since it is a for-profit industry you will be up against companies actively pushing for more people to find and watch it. Maybe you can kick someone out of a subreddit or Discord server but that will not stop anyone from watching anime or hanging out in a different place that is more tolerant. It's about as effective as boycotting the NFL or Budweiser... The reality is most people do not care about the "issues" the gatekeepers are fighting against, or believe they even exist at all. It is only a vocal minority who care that much and they won't end up having any impact. |
| Ah, yes, let's do the same thing Japanese do to us. |
 |
| Gatekeeping in anime is not good. Everyone should be able to experience it |
| I'm glad I read the OP, especially after the message right below it is the exact slop I expected from an AD gatekeeping topic As for the OP, there's no real proof that banning the isekai slop would lead to more peak shows being made, especially since a lot of it is made by studios with, quite frankly, nothing better to do. Of course I'd like more good shows being made but I doubt that'd be what would happen if we banned all slop, isekai or otherwise, from being made. |
 |
| How do you put up gates on anime, games or other such media? |
 |
| gatekeeping is bad in any community, that includes this one. |
 People who consider themselves to be Anime Elitists need to learn what grass is. |
Reply to ForgotEyeWasHere
Gatekeeping anime is indeed a good and necessary thing.
Many of the tourists who we want to gatekeep are people who have bullied us in the past for liking anime. However, ever since it became "uncool" to bully anime fans, these same bullies are now claiming that they were in the fandom all along. Gatekeepers help to fight these bullies, and keep them out of our fandom. These people still are mean to us, and bully not only anime fans, but also anime creators, demanding that they only make anime for a Western audience, and remove anything that makes them uncomfortable, such as ecchi.
So yes, gatekeeping anime is a good thing. The real bullies are the tourists, not the gatekeepers.
Many of the tourists who we want to gatekeep are people who have bullied us in the past for liking anime. However, ever since it became "uncool" to bully anime fans, these same bullies are now claiming that they were in the fandom all along. Gatekeepers help to fight these bullies, and keep them out of our fandom. These people still are mean to us, and bully not only anime fans, but also anime creators, demanding that they only make anime for a Western audience, and remove anything that makes them uncomfortable, such as ecchi.
So yes, gatekeeping anime is a good thing. The real bullies are the tourists, not the gatekeepers.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere This is not a real thing btw. |
Reply to GANCH
nothing funnier than non-japanese people trying to gatekeep japanese cartoons. so, yes, it is good. provides great entertainment.
| @GANCH It is very ironic. There's a thread on here about anime that old people liked. No one of them said an ecchi series... |
Reply to rohan121
@LSSJ_Chloe
Jimmy Neutron kino!
On the actual topic though, the gatekeeping to be useful would have to be done against foreign investors and payment processors which I doubt is easily possible. Financial forces are the ones pushing for the sanitization of the medium. Not some newbiefan who just so happens to claim to dislike fanservice.
Jimmy Neutron kino!
On the actual topic though, the gatekeeping to be useful would have to be done against foreign investors and payment processors which I doubt is easily possible. Financial forces are the ones pushing for the sanitization of the medium. Not some newbiefan who just so happens to claim to dislike fanservice.
| @rohan121 You're part of the foreign investment btw. |
Reply to Subarctic-Forest
Gatekeeping in EVERYTHING is good. Hobbies must be protected from normies, unless you want what happened to video games (they are almost all microtransaction diversity slop) then you will gatekeep too.
| @Subarctic-Forest How are you going to gatekeep something from another culture? |
| @tanjiromybaby 😂 The jokes write themselves. "We must gatekeep anime from foreign investment!" Bro, you're a foreigner watching anime. You're the foreign investment!!! |
Reply to Piromysl
Gatekeeping is an immune system of the community. Grifters learned, that the best way to destroy communities they hate is not to smear them from the outside, but infiltrate them, pretend to be "concerned fans" and gaslight developers, that their concerns are valid and common consensus. This is exactly how Collective Shout managed to get what they wanted, btw.
You'll allow bad actors and grifters in and it will end up like western comic industry.
You'll allow bad actors and grifters in and it will end up like western comic industry.
| @Piromysl Irony. Most grifters are right wingers, and you're falling for their grift. |
| @Subarctic-Forest I'll reword it, since you didn't understand. If you're not Japanese and/or weren't born in Japan, how can you ask anime to be gatekept? By that logic, you shouldn't be watching anime. |
Reply to LuxuriousHeart
@Subarctic-Forest I'll reword it, since you didn't understand. If you're not Japanese and/or weren't born in Japan, how can you ask anime to be gatekept? By that logic, you shouldn't be watching anime.
| @LuxuriousHeart I'll reword it since you don't understand. Every country in the world belongs to America. |
| Taiga best girl forever. |
| "Good" or "Bad" is irrelevant. It's completely pointless is what it is. You can't control what others watch. You can't control how others watch it. At most all it does is turn people off from a hobby they might actually like because they think the fanbase is a bunch of assholes. I find it funny people who hate censorship would basically try to censor what others consume. What are you, the government or some special interest group? |
FanofActionAug 27, 4:59 PM
| This comment thread is causing me to loose faith in society. Well it would, if I hadn't already lost faith in society. |
People who consider themselves to be Anime Elitists need to learn what grass is. |
| Gatekeeping is good if you can prevent censorship and watering down the medium, but... it's a fantasy, there's nothing any of us can do about it. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Reply to ForgotEyeWasHere
Gatekeeping anime is indeed a good and necessary thing.
Many of the tourists who we want to gatekeep are people who have bullied us in the past for liking anime. However, ever since it became "uncool" to bully anime fans, these same bullies are now claiming that they were in the fandom all along. Gatekeepers help to fight these bullies, and keep them out of our fandom. These people still are mean to us, and bully not only anime fans, but also anime creators, demanding that they only make anime for a Western audience, and remove anything that makes them uncomfortable, such as ecchi.
So yes, gatekeeping anime is a good thing. The real bullies are the tourists, not the gatekeepers.
Many of the tourists who we want to gatekeep are people who have bullied us in the past for liking anime. However, ever since it became "uncool" to bully anime fans, these same bullies are now claiming that they were in the fandom all along. Gatekeepers help to fight these bullies, and keep them out of our fandom. These people still are mean to us, and bully not only anime fans, but also anime creators, demanding that they only make anime for a Western audience, and remove anything that makes them uncomfortable, such as ecchi.
So yes, gatekeeping anime is a good thing. The real bullies are the tourists, not the gatekeepers.
ForgotEyeWasHere said: Many of the tourists who we want to gatekeep are people who have bullied us in the past for liking anime. Couldn’t agreed more. ForgotEyeWasHere said: These people still are mean to us, and bully not only anime fans, but also anime creators, demanding that they only make anime for a Western audience, and remove anything that makes them uncomfortable, such as ecchi. Agreed AGAIN. This is becoming a huge problem. I know some people who watch anime occasionally, just to brag. They now sh*t about anime. Never even heard the word 'manga' or even seen a manga/manhwa Panel. Yet, they are the cultural elites. Ask them when some of unpopular anime, for instance Kaiba released, they can never answer that. Let alone telling anything about Kaiba at all. |
Reply to ForgotEyeWasHere
Gatekeeping anime is indeed a good and necessary thing.
Many of the tourists who we want to gatekeep are people who have bullied us in the past for liking anime. However, ever since it became "uncool" to bully anime fans, these same bullies are now claiming that they were in the fandom all along. Gatekeepers help to fight these bullies, and keep them out of our fandom. These people still are mean to us, and bully not only anime fans, but also anime creators, demanding that they only make anime for a Western audience, and remove anything that makes them uncomfortable, such as ecchi.
So yes, gatekeeping anime is a good thing. The real bullies are the tourists, not the gatekeepers.
Many of the tourists who we want to gatekeep are people who have bullied us in the past for liking anime. However, ever since it became "uncool" to bully anime fans, these same bullies are now claiming that they were in the fandom all along. Gatekeepers help to fight these bullies, and keep them out of our fandom. These people still are mean to us, and bully not only anime fans, but also anime creators, demanding that they only make anime for a Western audience, and remove anything that makes them uncomfortable, such as ecchi.
So yes, gatekeeping anime is a good thing. The real bullies are the tourists, not the gatekeepers.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere Bro this is pretty weird lol. And I was showing people anime was subs all the way back in 2007 or so. Did you put on a naruto headband and act in a cringe or so manner? |
|
Reply to Ciezul
ForgotEyeWasHere said:
Many of the tourists who we want to gatekeep are people who have bullied us in the past for liking anime.
Many of the tourists who we want to gatekeep are people who have bullied us in the past for liking anime.
Couldn’t agreed more.
ForgotEyeWasHere said:
These people still are mean to us, and bully not only anime fans, but also anime creators, demanding that they only make anime for a Western audience, and remove anything that makes them uncomfortable, such as ecchi.
These people still are mean to us, and bully not only anime fans, but also anime creators, demanding that they only make anime for a Western audience, and remove anything that makes them uncomfortable, such as ecchi.
Agreed AGAIN. This is becoming a huge problem. I know some people who watch anime occasionally, just to brag. They now sh*t about anime. Never even heard the word 'manga' or even seen a manga/manhwa Panel. Yet, they are the cultural elites. Ask them when some of unpopular anime, for instance Kaiba released, they can never answer that. Let alone telling anything about Kaiba at all.
| @Ciezul I've not interacted with anyone who acts as you have suggested... But you do realize that, while you are claiming that they are pretending to be 'cultural elites' of anime, you are essentially claiming that you are more elite than they and are a better judge. I don't think anyone should claim that they are an 'elite' in any sense. I don't think anyone has the justification to be able to gatekeep things in the first place. I like to watch art films, and avant garde and surrealist movies and anime. A lot of the things I enjoyed often are the kinds of things people would associate with someone who is the 'stereotypical anime elitist'. But I'm not making those kinds of claims, and I'm not saying that someone shouldn't be able to even watch anime just because they like a different genre than I do lol. |
People who consider themselves to be Anime Elitists need to learn what grass is. |
Reply to ma1kawa11
@Ciezul I've not interacted with anyone who acts as you have suggested...
But you do realize that, while you are claiming that they are pretending to be 'cultural elites' of anime, you are essentially claiming that you are more elite than they and are a better judge.
I don't think anyone should claim that they are an 'elite' in any sense. I don't think anyone has the justification to be able to gatekeep things in the first place.
I like to watch art films, and avant garde and surrealist movies and anime. A lot of the things I enjoyed often are the kinds of things people would associate with someone who is the 'stereotypical anime elitist'. But I'm not making those kinds of claims, and I'm not saying that someone shouldn't be able to even watch anime just because they like a different genre than I do lol.
But you do realize that, while you are claiming that they are pretending to be 'cultural elites' of anime, you are essentially claiming that you are more elite than they and are a better judge.
I don't think anyone should claim that they are an 'elite' in any sense. I don't think anyone has the justification to be able to gatekeep things in the first place.
I like to watch art films, and avant garde and surrealist movies and anime. A lot of the things I enjoyed often are the kinds of things people would associate with someone who is the 'stereotypical anime elitist'. But I'm not making those kinds of claims, and I'm not saying that someone shouldn't be able to even watch anime just because they like a different genre than I do lol.
| @ma1kawa11 We should have buulied Youtube uploaders and Crunchyroll into oblivion back in the 2000s. But alas. People needed easy anime. |
|
| I think so, it prevents them from getting destroyed completely by some delulu fanfics and actually keeps the community decent and animes that are gatekeeped actually are good quality |
 |
Reply to ComeInReiAsuka
@ma1kawa11
We should have buulied Youtube uploaders and Crunchyroll into oblivion back in the 2000s.
But alas. People needed easy anime.
We should have buulied Youtube uploaders and Crunchyroll into oblivion back in the 2000s.
But alas. People needed easy anime.
| @ComeInReiAsuka There's still avante garde art films being made this decade or last decade that are really good such as 00:08, or (OO), and although they are often rated very low on MAL they are still being made. So long as that is the case, I don't mind that they are making easy to watch things if it's something that other people enjoy. If I'm at least able to talk with someone IRL about anime, even if it's about some random isekai that I actually hated watching but they enjoyed it, I appreciate that I can have that conversation instead of someone just looking at me weirdly and thinking that I only watch anime to see ecchi or something. I'm really glad that stereotype is broken. Now fuck crunchyroll though, I'm never giving those bastards my money. But that's a whole other topic lol. |
People who consider themselves to be Anime Elitists need to learn what grass is. |
Reply to ma1kawa11
@ComeInReiAsuka There's still avante garde art films being made this decade or last decade that are really good such as 00:08, or (OO), and although they are often rated very low on MAL they are still being made.
So long as that is the case, I don't mind that they are making easy to watch things if it's something that other people enjoy. If I'm at least able to talk with someone IRL about anime, even if it's about some random isekai that I actually hated watching but they enjoyed it, I appreciate that I can have that conversation instead of someone just looking at me weirdly and thinking that I only watch anime to see ecchi or something. I'm really glad that stereotype is broken.
Now fuck crunchyroll though, I'm never giving those bastards my money. But that's a whole other topic lol.
So long as that is the case, I don't mind that they are making easy to watch things if it's something that other people enjoy. If I'm at least able to talk with someone IRL about anime, even if it's about some random isekai that I actually hated watching but they enjoyed it, I appreciate that I can have that conversation instead of someone just looking at me weirdly and thinking that I only watch anime to see ecchi or something. I'm really glad that stereotype is broken.
Now fuck crunchyroll though, I'm never giving those bastards my money. But that's a whole other topic lol.
| @ma1kawa11 I don't want to talk about anime with normal people thanks. I only want to discuss the esoteric... |
|
More topics from this board
» At what age you should stop watching anime?swirlydragon - Yesterday |
36 |
by Nemo_Niemand
»»
1 minute ago |
|
» On the subject of anime and assthewiru - Yesterday |
42 |
by Merve2Love
»»
13 minutes ago |
|
» 🖊️ Hall of Sensei: Who Teaches Best! ( 1 2 3 4 5 )nirererin - Sep 23 |
228 |
by 5hadow17
»»
13 minutes ago |
|
» Anime you randomly came across and it turned out to be a great watchMs_Muffin - Yesterday |
33 |
by rbp_pbr2
»»
37 minutes ago |
|
» College Life animeNilyaaa - Sep 25 |
20 |
by Zalis
»»
42 minutes ago |